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KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias
Humanity is the cancer of the Earth. And for the Earth to heal, humanity needs to wither and die. If humanity does not become extinct, we will no doubt tear ourselves apart over and over again, as our history shows, through strive and conflict and destroy everything around us in the process of our self-annihilation.
I would donate to save the planet and its ecosystems. But donate to save humans? No.
PLEX for Eugenics?
=vinur allra manna
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:01:00 -
[122]
Who even knew the Hamiltons even played Eve? Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum.
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 16/09/2010 03:12:27 Although I can't personally afford to buy any Plex IRL, I do have a nicely expensive ship which I have decided to auction off as a fundraiser.
I just wish it was a bigger, rarer and more expensive ship.
also:
Originally by: Captain Carius Doc, what you are missing are the several posts that CCP removed because they felt it was too "trollish"... this wasn't about CCP.. it was about Stiches response to me being "harsh" because I disagreed with isk donations to Pakistan, primarily because I don't pass his "collectivist" sniff check.
Sheesh, you express the opinion that people should demonstrate some freaking decency and compassion for their fellow human being, and you get branded a collectivist?
I'm no collectivist, I just believe in not being a colossal jerk.
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:09:00 -
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Their intelligence services support Al'Qaeda.
Which is funded by the government itself.
My money will probably go into government pockets.
Al'Qaeda blew up the world trade centre, recently blew up one of my childhood friends in Afghanistan who works providing security for aid workers in that country.
So whilst it is pretty ****ing sad about the suffering going on there, and having lived in the middle east for a about 3/4 of my life and have made many friends who are not western in origin who I will always be friends with, I cannot bring myself to aid a country that isn't doing enough to squash support for a terriorist organisation that we probably all openly agree is pretty much satan incarnate.
I have always found it strange that a country that isn't even in the middle east or at the heart of the Islamic world, for which the most part are exstremely welcoming of westerners and love big american mustangs, aston martins and ipods like the rest of us, is probably the biggest breeding ground of religious lunatics in the world at present.
We live in sad, unstable and dangerous times.
The great irony of all this, is that if people don't send aid from the west, the Taliban will probably give aid to people in Pakistan, furthering their cause.
But regardless, my reasons are personal and selfish as I have stated.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse This is EVE at its worst. To not donate because you feel your money will end up in the wrong hands is one thing, to completely write off the people in need is another.
this.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Carius Doc, what you are missing are the several posts that CCP removed because they felt it was too "trollish"... this wasn't about CCP.. it was about Stiches response to me being "harsh" because I disagreed with isk donations to Pakistan, primarily because I don't pass his "collectivist" sniff check.
Sarcastic comment cheerfully withdrawn.
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Magnelien
Caldari The Circle Blade.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:30:00 -
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Honestly who is to judge who needs help, personally i dont donate to those fund raising. Why on earth am i so cold hearted ? well in my opinion it should be equal, and giving x to each fund-raiser is simply to much. it being that aid to Haiti Pakistan Africa or god knows what more. Its the same crap to me. every time i get those annoying phone calls "would you like to help XXXXX by donating x money"... and hearing in the news "this country should donate that much, this should increase to that much etc." and living in iceland and and getting this on the news knowing the economy is halfway to hell, really bothers me.
In my opinion, its similar to the air flight announcements, "put the oxygen mask on your self and then on the child travelling with you" thats basically to ensure you actually CAN help the child. Same thing is with this aid and donations constantly, e.g. Norway is one of the wealthies countries in the world, yet theres tons of homeless people there... sounds soo wrong.
and no the terrorist wont get my help, its probably just their way of taking the quran litterally. -.-
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King Pleasure
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: King Pleasure on 16/09/2010 03:38:18
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Honestly who is to judge who needs help, personally i dont donate to those fund raising. Why on earth am i so cold hearted ? well in my opinion it should be equal, and giving x to each fund-raiser is simply to much.
I'm kinda nitpicking here but when you see someone who just lost their home and family, it's fairly easy to judge whether or not they need help. Think about it on a personal level, not a national or government level and statements like the above lose most of their meaning.
And yes, I understand that you mean who is to judge who needs help more. Like I said, nitpicking. But even then I'd say that in the developing world you're looking at a different scale of poverty and destruction.
*Edited readability.
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Magnelien
Caldari The Circle Blade.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Magnelien on 16/09/2010 04:24:13
Originally by: King Pleasure Edited by: King Pleasure on 16/09/2010 03:38:18
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Honestly who is to judge who needs help, personally i dont donate to those fund raising. Why on earth am i so cold hearted ? well in my opinion it should be equal, and giving x to each fund-raiser is simply to much.
I'm kinda nitpicking here but when you see someone who just lost their home and family, it's fairly easy to judge whether or not they need help. Think about it on a personal level, not a national or government level and statements like the above lose most of their meaning.
And yes, I understand that you mean who is to judge who needs help more. Like I said, nitpicking. But even then I'd say that in the developing world you're looking at a different scale of poverty and destruction.
*Edited readability.
Yeah i know, every single time ive walked in Oslo (Norway capital) and seen those homeless people, should i shout out "OI THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE LETS EVERYONE HELP THEM OUT" ? and i bet oslo doesnt have the largest homeless population...
catch my drift ?
Im currently sleeping around 2-3 hours per day cause i do 12 hour shifts then school, just to be able to afford my food and house to be able to keep attending school thanks to this lovely economical crisis...
Also someone was saying about that place Pakistan is a place of disasters and something... uhm i live in iceland... got more the 15 active volcano's and get tons of earth quakes...
And more, as far as ive kep up to date with this economic crisis iceland is being sort of black mailed by IMFm UK and Holland to pay up the icesave accounts, else no financial aid is possible... ehh couldnt we just tell pakistan to give up all the terrorist and we will help you then
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.09.16 04:24:00 -
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I applaud CCP for it's attempt to offer humanitarian aid.
Whatever the reason is, it a good gesture.
For the arrogant among you, what will you do the next time Louisiana is under water (it will happen) and the rest of the world says, "What did they ever do for me? **** 'em". Think about it before you tirade, eh.
Mr Epeen
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King Pleasure
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Posted - 2010.09.16 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Magnelien Edited by: Magnelien on 16/09/2010 04:24:13
Yeah i know, every single time ive walked in Oslo (Norway capital) and seen those homeless people, should i shout out "OI THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE LETS EVERYONE HELP THEM OUT" ? and i bet oslo doesnt have the largest homeless population...
catch my drift ?
Im currently sleeping around 2-3 hours per day cause i do 12 hour shifts then school, just to be able to afford my food and house to be able to keep attending school thanks to this lovely economical crisis...
I wrote this nice long post and hit the wrong bottom and now it's gone. Upsetting. Anyway, lets see if I can remember what I wrote.
I catch your drift. I think I didn't express what I meant clearly in my original post. I'm sorry about that. And I know where Oslo is. I meant to say two things but they got lost as I wrote it. First, that when looking at a disaster affecting 20 million people, I think it's fairly easy to judge which is worse. Lets just put that into perspective a little better, the population of Norway is 4,768,212 (or so) people. That's five times as many people displaced and homeless as there are in the entire of Norway. That's almost the entire population of Australia made homeless. And it should also be pointed out that we're not just talking normal, run of the mill homelessness here. We're talking disease, famine and a massive refugee crisis.
And please, don't take this to be me saying that homelessness isn't a big issue in the western world. I'm really not and I think it's important that governments continue to provide aid and shelter for people within their boarders who need it. And a lot western countries have programs set up to deal with it, Norway included.
Homeless numbers Norway (Some information on the homeless population of Norway, just because I like links and it helps with perspective on the size of the human disaster in Pakistan.)
And yes, I'm expressing my opinion when I say it's easy to judge. And it's perfectly okay for you to have a different one. I had no intention of shoving charity down your throat.
The second point I meant to express but failed at was what I said about personal charity. I wasn't referring to volunteerism, nor was I saying you needed to go out and help everyone you see. I simply meant that if you can afford to give(and are so inclined), 20 million displaced people is a pretty good place to start. And I think it's a good place to start even if a small minority of those people habour ill will towards those of us living in the western world. And that's what we're talking about, a small minority of people. We're not talking every Pakistani here. They're not all running around, AK in hand shouting down the American infidels and promising holy Jihad. Most of these people are farmers, factory workers and every day people who have had their lives destroyed. I also think in failing to give, the western world will only encourage more ill will in the long run. But that's another issue.
So, I'm sorry my first post didn't come across with quite the detail I wanted and this is a really long response to the small section of text I quoted in it.
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Dilligafmofo
Gallente Calimae Logistics Foundation No Apology
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Posted - 2010.09.16 05:58:00 -
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Why does CCP feel the need to raise funds for this and or any other incident in the world?
Is it pressure from left wing do gooders that play their games or is it something else?
Seriously, CCP the money donated will just fund their nuke race with India or even worse assist in the hiding of the worlds most wanted terrorists.
I believe it far more advantageous if we were asked to donate old pairs of speedo's and snorkels. Neither can be used in the future to attempt to wipe the west from the religious map !!
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:09:00 -
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I have trouble giving to a country that has the monetary power to hold and maintain nuclear weapons.
I'd rather give to the red cross but Muslim nations have a problem with the whole cross thing and I really don't have a lot of faith in the Red Crescent.
I don't think the Red Cross was religiously based anyway.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:10:00 -
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Hi. I'm an idiot that his a bias opinion that is both misguided and uninformed. I would also like everyone that isn't exactly like me to die in a fire and wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but myself. I could also not conceive of anything like this ever happening to me despite it already happening to other people like me living in the same country I live in only a few years ago.
I hear this is the thread im supposed to be posting in?
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Dilligafmofo
Gallente Calimae Logistics Foundation No Apology
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin Hi. I'm an idiot that his a bias opinion that is both misguided and uninformed. I would also like everyone that isn't exactly like me to die in a fire and wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but myself. I could also not conceive of anything like this ever happening to me despite it already happening to other people like me living in the same country I live in only a few years ago.
I hear this is the thread im supposed to be posting in?
I live in Gloucester, UK, we were flooded a few years ago, did CCP or Pakistan help me? did they feck !!
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:16:00 -
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Pakistan is also harboring terrorists. That is a known fact.
I hope someone there realizes that perhaps Allah doesn't look kindly on this and flooded their country.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dilligafmofo
Originally by: Lana Torrin Hi. I'm an idiot that his a bias opinion that is both misguided and uninformed. I would also like everyone that isn't exactly like me to die in a fire and wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but myself. I could also not conceive of anything like this ever happening to me despite it already happening to other people like me living in the same country I live in only a few years ago.
I hear this is the thread im supposed to be posting in?
I live in Gloucester, UK, we were flooded a few years ago, did CCP or Pakistan help me? did they feck !!
As far as im aware you didn't receive up to 415mm of rain in a 24 hour period and Gloucester is still actually liveable.. Well, as liveable as it was before the flooding anyway.
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wah bok
Caldari Copperhead Arsenal
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:22:00 -
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wow how quick some of you are to spend MY money. If and when I give MY money to something is entirely MY choice but if your so concerned sell all your belongings and give it away
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:34:00 -
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:57 Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:29
Originally by: Dilligafmofo Why does CCP
Because they think its a GOOD thing to do. Sadly you seem the be one of those, me, me, me types
How old are you?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:57 Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:29
Originally by: Dilligafmofo Why does CCP
Because they think its a GOOD thing to do. Sadly you seem the be one of those, me, me, me types
How old are you?
Completely off subject.. Your sig amuses me.. Need a B5 MMO..
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PamManderson
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Posted - 2010.09.16 06:58:00 -
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If they really want people to donate give them a free spaceship or something.
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.16 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 16/09/2010 07:04:59
Originally by: Serpents smile Sadly you seem the be one of those, me, me, me types
So is everyone TBH... The people who're so much into 'helping others' are actually just the same, except they don't want to admit it. If they were actually serious, they'd give far more than the couple of dollars they give each year. Truth is, they do it to feel good about themselves, covering it up as 'helping others'...
If we REALLY want to help countries like Pakistan, what we should offer was help for education and family planning ALL the time, not just rush in when there is a catastrophe and the pictures on TV gives us a bad conscience.
The major problem these countries have are a horrendous population expansion and too low education for people to realise its not sustainable. That causes much more human suffering over the long term that the small blips of natural disasters... Remedy the problem, not the symptom...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Dilligafmofo
Gallente Calimae Logistics Foundation No Apology
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Posted - 2010.09.16 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:57 Edited by: Serpents smile on 16/09/2010 06:36:29
Originally by: Dilligafmofo Why does CCP
Because they think its a GOOD thing to do. Sadly you seem the be one of those, me, me, me types
How old are you?
Old enough and wise enough to see that a few paltry dollars (incapable of making 1 ounce of difference) is a complete waste of rescource by CCP. What is it that is meant to be gained by this token gesture?
Leave the aid to Bob Geldof and co and concentrate on things they can make a difference on is all I'm trying to say.
These people are a drain on my country's economy as it is, why the hell should it have any place in my eve time? If they are struggling to stay above water, we should be donating bricks to get the thing over with asap imo ( in game)
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Squid Prime
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Posted - 2010.09.16 07:46:00 -
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First of all, I donate plenty via taxes each and every time my country sends aid to any other country. Whether I agree or not, some of those money came from my pocket and efforts. I won't give any more of my hard earned money.
Second, as many pointed, even with all the goodwill CCP might have, you don't have a guarantee that the money will end up where they're needed. I have donated blood dozens of times, I have also worked voluntarily in several affected areas for months. But I did that WITHOUT any 3rd party that will take a slice.
For all you moralists out there, what the **** are you still doing here? Why aren't you there in Pakistan helping out people? Oooh, you have the sacred duty of shoving your cheap ethics down people's throats, from behind a monitor. Riiight. GTFO, each has the right to set his own moral guidelines.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.16 07:55:00 -
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I will be donating 0 PLEX, because Middle Easterners have made it abundantly clear that they dislike Western interference in their affairs.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.16 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 16/09/2010 08:08:04
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I will be donating 0 PLEX, because Middle Easterners have made it abundantly clear that they dislike Western interference in their affairs.
Pakistan was a key player during the cold war as part of the Baghdad Pact and CENTO, and was the west's (America's... the cold war was primarily US/USSR after all) primary ally in the region.
In the 80's/90's western relations were restricted to Pakistan due to their Nuclear Program.
As of 2001, Pakistan has been a key western ally. Pakistan has lost thousands of people to suicide bombings and terrorism, and despite conspiracy theories of Pakistan conspiring with extremists, keep in mind that Pakistan is the 27th largest economy in the world, and in no way would they want they sovereignty marginalized by terrorist organizations of any sort.
Also, please keep in mind that 1/5 of Pakistan was covered in water. This affected more people than the 2004 tsunami, 2005 earthquakes, and Haiti disaster combined! It can be argued that a fairly well off country such as Pakistan should provide for itself, but likewise many people helped right the disaster that was the hurricane Katrina in the US (and regardless of the US being a wealthy nation they were grateful).
In the end a person in need is a person in need, I don't see how this is different than Haiti. Past the concerns that your donation dollar will be well spent and help a human being who just lost their entire home/city, I don't see what more there is to consider if you are even a 1/2 decent human being.
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Bodrul
Caldari Polaris Rising Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.16 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I will be donating 0 PLEX, because Middle Easterners have made it abundantly clear that they dislike Western interference in their affairs.
pakistan is in Asia, so get your geography correct ............ Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness+ Charibbas dice) ........ |
Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.16 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech Pakistan was a key player during the cold war as part of the Baghdad Pact and CENTO, and was the west's (America's... the cold war was primarily US/USSR after all) primary ally in the region.
In the 80's/90's western relations were restricted to Pakistan due to their Nuclear Program.
As of 2001, Pakistan has been a key western ally. Pakistan has lost thousands of people to suicide bombings and terrorism, and despite conspiracy theories of Pakistan conspiring with extremists, keep in mind that Pakistan is the 27th largest economy in the world, and in no way would they want they sovereignty marginalized by terrorist organizations of any sort.
Also, please keep in mind that 1/5 of Pakistan was covered in water. This affected more people than the 2004 tsunami, 2005 earthquakes, and Haiti disaster combined! It can be argued that a fairly well off country such as Pakistan should provide for itself, but likewise many people helped right the disaster that was the hurricane Katrina in the US (and regardless of the US being a wealthy nation they were grateful).
In the end a person in need is a person in need, I don't see how this is different than Haiti. Past the concerns that your donation dollar will be well spent and help a human being who just lost their entire home/city, I don't see what more there is to consider if you are even a 1/2 decent human being.
How surprising... an intelligent, well-reasoned and relatively well-informed argument.
In truth, I simply don't like the country, their system of laws, their culture, or their religion. They practice Shari'a law, beat (and in some cases, lynch) homosexuals, continue to deny women equal rights, and while they are nominal US allies at this point, it hasn't been terribly long since photographs depicting Pakistani throngs waving "Death to America" picket signs made their way through the media.
The individual people affected by this disaster are surely innocents, that is true. If there were a Pakistani man hanging by his hand from a cliff, I would certainly attempt to rescue him. However, I will not show my support for the nation as a whole.
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wah bok
Caldari Copperhead Arsenal
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Posted - 2010.09.16 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech Edited by: mechtech on 16/09/2010 08:08:04
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph I will be donating 0 PLEX, because Middle Easterners have made it abundantly clear that they dislike Western interference in their affairs.
Pakistan was a key player during the cold war as part of the Baghdad Pact and CENTO, and was the west's (America's... the cold war was primarily US/USSR after all) primary ally in the region.
In the 80's/90's western relations were restricted to Pakistan due to their Nuclear Program.
As of 2001, Pakistan has been a key western ally. Pakistan has lost thousands of people to suicide bombings and terrorism, and despite conspiracy theories of Pakistan conspiring with extremists, keep in mind that Pakistan is the 27th largest economy in the world, and in no way would they want they sovereignty marginalized by terrorist organizations of any sort.
Also, please keep in mind that 1/5 of Pakistan was covered in water. This affected more people than the 2004 tsunami, 2005 earthquakes, and Haiti disaster combined! It can be argued that a fairly well off country such as Pakistan should provide for itself, but likewise many people helped right the disaster that was the hurricane Katrina in the US (and regardless of the US being a wealthy nation they were grateful).
In the end a person in need is a person in need, I don't see how this is different than Haiti. Past the concerns that your donation dollar will be well spent and help a human being who just lost their entire home/city, I don't see what more there is to consider if you are even a 1/2 decent human being.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dont for a second think our relationship goes any further then that.
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