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Celestine Santora
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:50:00 -
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This isn't a formal suggestion or anything, just sparking discussion.
I think it would be cool to have some regions of 0.0 space only accessible through w-space. It would be solidly linked-together space with stargates and each pocket would be about the size of a normal smallish EVE region. I don't know how you could pass off the stargates being there in RP terms so maybe you could have static wormholes or something that are just re-skinned stargates (static in the sense that they never collapse and will show on the overview, not static like we use that term in-game).
Speaking of static wormholes, no wormhole system would be allowed to have a static link to this new type of space and ONLY wormhole systems would ever have a link to this new space. It would be completely random and even somewhat uncommon to find a wormhole to one of these pockets, so living in this new space would be ESPECIALLY isolating (somewhat like WH space was talked about before Apocrypha launched).
As far as rewards, it shouldn't be any more profitable ISK wise than current w-space is so there wouldn't be some massive rush to farm this new space (especially since getting stuff out to sell would be incredibly difficult). Maybe even throw in some normal asteroid belts and one or two ice belts so coupled with PI and a bunch of BPOs, it would be theoretically possible for somebody to live out there in a POS (but good luck reliably getting more stuff in or out from that point on).
Personally I think this would be really awesome and would really provide something for the adventurous players.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:54:00 -
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BeatMeChecker
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:56:00 -
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Let's add Concord to some 0.0 regions...
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:17:00 -
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Anything worth claiming and defending will get claimed and defended. You are hoping for the wild west, but it's not long before the wild west turns into Fresno.
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney Anything worth claiming and defending will get claimed and defended. You are hoping for the wild west, but it's not long before the wild west turns into Fresno.
This. There's nothing stopping alliances determined and with enough power to stake a claim on whatever they like by going in and shooting EVERYTHING not blue to them. I'm sure they'd do it to lowsec if something profitable enough came worth their while to be there.
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Exploriosoette
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:39:00 -
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Personally, I would just prefer to have alot more wormhole systems, such that it would be truely possible to find an empty lowerclass wormhole and not have it visited by random haters multiple times a day.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:48:00 -
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You should speak your mind at the formal suggestion.
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Ashley Sky
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:51:00 -
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Back when I first started EVE, it was possible to spend days out in lowsec without seeing a single person. In fact, pirate attacks were the exception instead of the norm, so it was always a fun surprise when it happened. Targets were a lot better back then too, because they would become complacent with a feeling of false safety, therefore surprise attacks were much more effective.
Just one of the ways EVE used to be better than it is now.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky Back when I first started EVE, it was possible to spend days out in lowsec without seeing a single person. In fact, pirate attacks were the exception instead of the norm, so it was always a fun surprise when it happened. Targets were a lot better back then too, because they would become complacent with a feeling of false safety, therefore surprise attacks were much more effective.
Just one of the ways EVE used to be better than it is now.
Way back when I was a newbie I got into mining in my osprey. I soon realised the lower the sec the better the roids and therefore I thought the better the return (it is a pity this is not actually true). So I fitted my osprey and braved the dreaded area known as low sec and hung out there for days before I got spotted and killed. The thing is I managed to break even over the course of the 2 weekish period I was obsesed with low sec mining, while learning so much. Those opportunites have been essentially removed by ccp these days.
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Drakarian
Dreddit
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:06:00 -
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I don't get you guys....first you complain that low/null sec is empty and that you can fly for hours without seeing anyone....then you complain that it's not empty enough and you want to make it harder to get to?!
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Khanaris Asgarth This. There's nothing stopping alliances determined and with enough power to stake a claim on whatever they like by going in and shooting EVERYTHING not blue to them. I'm sure they'd do it to lowsec if something profitable enough came worth their while to be there.
There is. Any close to valuable low sec moon is taken by an alt corp of a big alliance. Just try to take it and get yourself cap-dropped to kingdome come.
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HybridMiner
Rudis Vox
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:28:00 -
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What I think would be interesting would be to seperate all factions empire space by about 10 jumps of factional warfare low-sec space, and increase the number of K-space -> W-space -> K-space statics.
This would increase the value of trading between regions, whilst providing more worthwhile low-sec space. It all comes down to risk vs. reward. Do you take the risk of organising a fleet, be it mercs or a corp/alliance op, to escort your freighters through a reasonable amount of risky space, or do you attempt to find a far shorter route by using wormholes - potentially requiring less of an escort.
It would encourage co-operation between bears and pvp'ers, and would raise the trade value of regionally specific minerals and modules.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Originally by: Khanaris Asgarth This. There's nothing stopping alliances determined and with enough power to stake a claim on whatever they like by going in and shooting EVERYTHING not blue to them. I'm sure they'd do it to lowsec if something profitable enough came worth their while to be there.
There is. Any close to valuable low sec moon is taken by an alt corp of a big alliance. Just try to take it and get yourself cap-dropped to kingdome come.
Once you've got a moon under your control there is little need to revisit the system, constellation even region if the logistics guys are worth their weight in salt
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Brolly
Caldari 13th Legion the lastchancers
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:44:00 -
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It seems many peeps want obscure regions to take over to call there own, but the problem will always remain. As long as there is 'new' space, it will always be grabbed up and people will continue to complain there are no new virgin lands.
Not sure on the stats on W-space, but a lot of it, for 1-3 seem to be taken up anyhoos. 0.0 seems t be taken up by alliances with swathes unused and 'wasted'.
No matter how much new space CCP add, people will always want more. The next batch of new space will have to add something quite different to what we have seen so far, WH space was a good move imho.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alt666
Originally by: Ashley Sky Back when I first started EVE, it was possible to spend days out in lowsec without seeing a single person. In fact, pirate attacks were the exception instead of the norm, so it was always a fun surprise when it happened. Targets were a lot better back then too, because they would become complacent with a feeling of false safety, therefore surprise attacks were much more effective.
Just one of the ways EVE used to be better than it is now.
Way back when I was a newbie I got into mining in my osprey. I soon realised the lower the sec the better the roids and therefore I thought the better the return (it is a pity this is not actually true). So I fitted my osprey and braved the dreaded area known as low sec and hung out there for days before I got spotted and killed. The thing is I managed to break even over the course of the 2 weekish period I was obsesed with low sec mining, while learning so much. Those opportunites have been essentially removed by ccp these days.
I had a very similar experience when I wandered into lowsec to do level 1 missions, because the payouts were higher (I was making literally TENS of thousands of ISK. Imagine!). I did well then got ganked horribly, and learned a lot. It's still very possible, because I did this a year and a half ago.
The only parts of lowsec that are populated are the highsec and nullsec pipeline systems. Most of the lowsec that isn't affiliated with FW areas is totally empty. There is still a lot of good, empty space out there.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.17 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Celestine Santora This isn't a formal suggestion or anything, just sparking discussion.
I think it would be cool to have some regions of 0.0 space only accessible through w-space. It would be solidly linked-together space with stargates and each pocket would be about the size of a normal smallish EVE region. I don't know how you could pass off the stargates being there in RP terms so maybe you could have static wormholes or something that are just re-skinned stargates (static in the sense that they never collapse and will show on the overview, not static like we use that term in-game).
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Personally I think this would be really awesome and would really provide something for the adventurous players.
So, to reiterate you propose: Full blown up w-space systems permanently interconnected with each other to make it easier to farm (static gates within that net will help that) the content there and on the other hand be protected by the remoteness (sporadic links to the rest of w-space and than on to k-space) from disturbances. And you call that 'awesome' and 'something for the adventurous player'?
Are you trolling?
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John Comer
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:04:00 -
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if theres no spacestations, no agent, no rats but sleepers and the onyl way to actualy make isk would be to haul it all to k-space thru a maze of w-hole systems the chances for you gettign rich aren't all that great
even if the possibility excisted to build outposts it would eb a huge undertaking since its not possible to build the eggs at a pos
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ashley Sky Back when I first started EVE, it was possible to spend days out in lowsec without seeing a single person. In fact, pirate attacks were the exception instead of the norm, so it was always a fun surprise when it happened. Targets were a lot better back then too, because they would become complacent with a feeling of false safety, therefore surprise attacks were much more effective.
Just one of the ways EVE used to be better than it is now.
Good ole days when you could ransome their pods. Implants where expensive and yeah ppl paid not to get podded. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:29:00 -
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100 new nullsec regions, 10000 new systems. Make nullsec so vast trying to control it all would be impossible.
Then players could truly do the frontier deal.
"So... anyone for a 400 jump trip to highsec??" ---
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat 100 new nullsec regions, 10000 new systems. Make nullsec so vast trying to control it all would be impossible.
Then players could truly do the frontier deal.
"So... anyone for a 400 jump trip to highsec??"
so anyone up for setting up a 10 man cyno chain to empire
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:46:00 -
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Nah... just make the distance from current outer edge of 0.0 to the beginning of these regions so far in AU you couldn't manage to jump it. ---
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Nah... just make the distance from current outer edge of 0.0 to the beginning of these regions so far in AU you couldn't manage to jump it.
The map is already a PITA to use with no information filtering.. and you want to put more stars in there with even bigger distances between them?! U braindead?
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Ned Black
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:50:00 -
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Any static gates would be used by huge alliances.
I would rather see that covert ops cynos would be able to use to jump between WH systems if the systems are close enough together. No regular cynos should be able to be used however.
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:28:00 -
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My old corp went to the Drone Regions when they first opened up specifically to create that 'far out' feeling you're describing. We lived there for 3 years before losing the space. Keep in mind that you cannot jump capitals to Cobalt Edge from Tenal - its a 6-7 cyno chain to get to the closest low-sec systm. Also this was before warp to zero and before jump freighters. It was 51 jumps from our base to Jita.
The good part was that no one ever bothered you there. We would have roving gangs from Tri Mark I when they got REALLY bored, but that was it.
The bad part was that it took an entire day of eve playing to get to empire and back. Seriously, like 2 hours each direction. As a result the alliance spent most of its time doing 'pos fuel runs' instead of combat ops. When it takes 6-10 carriers (you used to be able to stuff haulers full of whatever into ship maint bay) per week just to haul in the pos fuel you don't do much else.
As I said we lived there for 3 years, built a few outposts and generally got rich on Drone Droppings. But that was it. No glorious rise to galactic power, no eliete pvp crew and in the end nothing but a pile of isk in our pockets.
I suggest the OP rethink his Utopian universe, cuz its not the paridise that you think.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: HybridMiner What I think would be interesting would be to seperate all factions empire space by about 10 jumps of factional warfare low-sec space, and increase the number of K-space -> W-space -> K-space statics.
This would increase the value of trading between regions, whilst providing more worthwhile low-sec space. It all comes down to risk vs. reward. Do you take the risk of organising a fleet, be it mercs or a corp/alliance op, to escort your freighters through a reasonable amount of risky space, or do you attempt to find a far shorter route by using wormholes - potentially requiring less of an escort.
It would encourage co-operation between bears and pvp'ers, and would raise the trade value of regionally specific minerals and modules.
I like this option. The factions have gotten too cozy. More "No Man's Land" between the factions would make the game more fun. Lowsec with aggressive, roaming faction fleets.
KB
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:21:00 -
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space is becoming more occupied meaning more pvp oppportunities
Lets start perhaps adding say in hig hsec more high sec to high sec and high sec to low sec wh out of places like jita, amarr prime etc. ( in addition to the usual ones) this would encourage players to move out and in. Still think theres to many known to unknown systems and not enough known to known space about 1/8th should be a 1 in 6 amount including to 00 would create a mroe fluid player movemenet in eve
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:30:00 -
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Growing capblobs effectively hinder a proper colonization of 0.0 and leave vast areas of 0.0 empty instead. There was a very interesting thread where a dev commented on this, and gave his ideas to this problem. Imo a severe limitation to jump capabilities of caps would be a big step forward. -
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Drakarian I don't get you guys....first you complain that low/null sec is empty and that you can fly for hours without seeing anyone....then you complain that it's not empty enough and you want to make it harder to get to?!
MMO = Massively Multiplayer Online game.
The request here is MSG-CHAT. Massively Single Player with Chat Addon Thing.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.20 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Exploriosoette Personally, I would just prefer to have alot more wormhole systems, such that it would be truely possible to find an empty lowerclass wormhole and not have it visited by random haters multiple times a day.
Not aware how it is these days, but i spent 3 months in a C2 WH right after launch of Apo. We very seldom had any visitors, but then again we had a static to low sec :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat 100 new nullsec regions, 10000 new systems. Make nullsec so vast trying to control it all would be impossible.
Then players could truly do the frontier deal.
"So... anyone for a 400 jump trip to highsec??"
I agree that the available space should always be vast enough that there are never enough subscribers to effectively control it all. This could be done with a moderate increase in the number of systems, and a lot more linking to eliminate choke points.
Those two things would result in many alliances shrinking their borders to something they could more effectively control, and opening up areas of space for suicidal types to move in and stake their claim between the two previously warring empires.
It's just the TW2002 fan in me showing itself I suppose.
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