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Effect Riot
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:27:00 -
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I'm looking to run level 4's in a minmatar bs, but have only flown hurricanes up to this point. This character is to be a cap pilot in the distant future, so flying ravens/domi's etc is not an option. But Minmatar mission runners do seem a bit suspect.
First question is, which ship? I'm assuming maelstrom, but if anyone prefers tempest or typhoon I'd love to hear why.
Arty's or AC? Again I assume artillery, but they have some drawbacks. The high alpha/low RoF seems to imply ungrouped weapons and lots of micro managing. Not to mention lots of reloading, if large arty's are like mediums.
Rig's for a Maelstrom seem flavor to taste. Any suggestions are welcome. I can't afford a HG crystal set, and since this character is brand new, I don't want to use LG's for a long time. I've come up with this fit so far -
[Maelstrom, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
I have no desire to make this a gank magnet. I'm also unsure what drones to use. If I could free up some midslots because the dps is so good that this tank is overkill or whatever, I could see using 4 T2 sentrys with a navy omnidirectinal. Otherwise I guess just a flight of med and lights with some spares?
If Minmatar mission running is just simply horrible compared to the usual suspects, then I'd like to hear hear about that too. I don't think that is the case, but better to find out now.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 04:52:00 -
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That setup looks fine. I haven't used a matari ship (unless you count the Mach) to mission with in ages, but as I recall the mael is as good as their t1 battleships go for the pve work. Other notables:
-Crystal set for missions? Really? Not necessary. -Autos for angels and anything else that will close range for you. Arty for Guristas and others that won't. -You probably won't use anything but med/light drones to swat small ships under your tracking. -Cap pilot...minmatar... does not compute.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Effect Riot
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L [empty rig slot]
The usual arty mael is:
8x 1200 IIs XL, 3x Hardeners, TC, Hvy Cap Booster 3x Gyro, TE, DC Rigs to taste
Quote: I have no desire to make this a gank magnet.
There's a couple ways to do that: - Don't fly in crowded areas (BEST ADVICE EVER) - Don't fit a lot of faction. Faction damage mods and faction ammo isn't a lot. :)
Quote: If Minmatar mission running is just simply horrible compared to the usual suspects, then I'd like to hear hear about that too. I don't think that is the case, but better to find out now.
Eh, Minmatar is ok - but I wouldn't ever say its more than that. LP stores are a constant topic of dispute, and IMO the Minmatar and Gallente LP stores just kinda suck. Caldari and Amarr tend to have the more useful and profitable combinations of LP stores and agents IMO.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Effect Riot
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Posted - 2010.09.20 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan
-Crystal set for missions? Really? Not necessary.
It's all about freeing up slots for more damage
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
-You probably won't use anything but med/light drones to swat small ships under your tracking.
That's my initial thought, but if you can manage the small ships with sentry's, they add more dps on the far orbiting ships.
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
-Cap pilot...minmatar... does not compute.
Ya I know, but that's for another post.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Effect Riot
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L [empty rig slot]
The usual arty mael is:
8x 1200 IIs XL, 3x Hardeners, TC, Hvy Cap Booster 3x Gyro, TE, DC Rigs to taste
Quote: I have no desire to make this a gank magnet.
There's a couple ways to do that: - Don't fly in crowded areas (BEST ADVICE EVER) - Don't fit a lot of faction. Faction damage mods and faction ammo isn't a lot. :)
Quote: If Minmatar mission running is just simply horrible compared to the usual suspects, then I'd like to hear hear about that too. I don't think that is the case, but better to find out now.
Eh, Minmatar is ok - but I wouldn't ever say its more than that. LP stores are a constant topic of dispute, and IMO the Minmatar and Gallente LP stores just kinda suck. Caldari and Amarr tend to have the more useful and profitable combinations of LP stores and agents IMO.
-Liang
This is getting beyond my quoting skills, beer makes me lazy.
Curious why 1200's? Rig's to taste, I'd love to here some options!
I don't mission in the major hubs, and I'll look into faction damage mods =)
I figured Minmatar wasn't exceptional for mission running. As long as it doesn't suck, I'm ok with it. I just mission very part time for some iskies. As far as the agents, that's kind of disappointing, I thought I'd read that minmatar LP was good.
Thanks for the replys, any other insight would be greatly appreciated!
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Enduros
Intoxicated Herbalists Cha0s Theory
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Enduros on 20/09/2010 14:09:17 My AC mael... runs angel sanctums so more then enough for any lvl 4s
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster (T2 will not fit due to CPU) Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 100MN Afterburner II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
783 tank, cap lasts 2min 30sec in reinforced 740 dps on guns (4.2km + 46km)
Faction booster because cpu runs out for t2. Don't try to make it cap stable as it will severely gimp the fit.
And as for 1200, they are generally better for missions. Tracking, higher rof, and you don't need a fitting mod. As with 1400 you will need at least one PDU if you want an ab and x-large booster.
As for agents. There are good stores in all factions. Meaning items that sell good with high isk/LP and large movement. But don't expect anyone to tell you what those are. - This one time, at gate camp, I shot a shuttle... |
FT Diomedes
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:30:00 -
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There are some GREAT Minmatar LP store items, if you want to go that way. I also really like artillery boats for missions, although I do occassionally rock the ACs. I use RF 1200mms on my Vargur for some missions against long range rats.
Stick with light and medium drones to deal with the small stuff. --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Effect Riot It's all about freeing up slots for more damage
I thought it was all about making a minmatar bs work while you trained your lolminmatar cap ship alt?
Oh, and 1200's because of tracking.
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Effect Riot
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.09.20 18:57:00 -
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The pictures becoming much clearer, thanks for the insight guys. I'll keep an AC and arty fit handy. And I won't sweat the minmatar LP, I'll get what I get.
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Originally by: Effect Riot It's all about freeing up slots for more damage
I thought it was all about making a minmatar bs work while you trained your lolminmatar cap ship alt?
We get it, you don't like minmatar capitals.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 20/09/2010 19:01:41
Originally by: Effect Riot The pictures becoming much clearer, thanks for the insight guys. I'll keep an AC and arty fit handy. And I won't sweat the minmatar LP, I'll get what I get.
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Originally by: Effect Riot It's all about freeing up slots for more damage
I thought it was all about making a minmatar bs work while you trained your lolminmatar cap ship alt?
We get it, you don't like minmatar capitals.
Can someone else start that thread?
TBQH i'm very curious to hear your logic on that train of thought, espcially since it seems to be having a lot of influence on your other skill choices.
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Effect Riot
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.09.20 19:37:00 -
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You are correct, I'm trying to keep my skill training very streamlined.
The reason for minmatar with this character is because I already fly gallente/amarr in pvp, and used to have a caldari mission runner, which I sold. Variety is the spice of life =)
Besides, the balance of power in MMO's is always shifting. Todays gimps are tomorrows FOTM. Who knows what the landscape will look like by the time this character is ready to even begin training for caps. |
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Effect Riot
Besides, the balance of power in MMO's is always shifting. Todays gimps are tomorrows FOTM. Who knows what the landscape will look like by the time this character is ready to even begin training for caps.
Fair enough, I can understand that gamble as much as anything else. Just curious. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan Fair enough, I can understand that gamble as much as anything else. Just curious.
If the Niddy got a grid boost (Hello Triage + 4 large armor reps + dual rep) I'd be pretty stoked. :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Irae Ragwan Fair enough, I can understand that gamble as much as anything else. Just curious.
If the Niddy got a grid boost (Hello Triage + 4 large armor reps + dual rep) I'd be pretty stoked. :)
-Liang
Just a grid boost? I'm not sure I agree with that, but I would like to fly a Hel on my cap alt at some point. The Aeon is almost as inhumane to look at as the Moa/Imicus hulls.
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Effect Riot
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan The Aeon is almost as inhumane to look at as the Moa/Imicus hulls.
Amen brother
If they ever make the Hel competative with the Nyx and Aeon I might start contemplating a super carrier. Hel gives me a chubby.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Irae Ragwan Just a grid boost? I'm not sure I agree with that, but I would like to fly a Hel on my cap alt at some point. The Aeon is almost as inhumane to look at as the Moa/Imicus hulls.
Well, yeah. Make it as reasonable to run triage + 4 cap remote reps + armor tank as the Archon. Presently the Archon just ****s all over the Niddy, IMO.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Presently the Archon just ****s all over the Niddy, IMO.
-Liang
That is most certainly the case, but i'm not convinced the grid is the whole problem. That said, i'll be the first to admit I've EFT'd the Hel only enough times to cry and close the program.
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