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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:44:00 -
[1]
Proposal:
- Don't allow the trading of Plex's for extra Neural Remaps
Pros:
- There will be no CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
Cons:
- Real Money Trading happens regardless (But not from an actual mechanic from CCP)
- People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already
- CCP has more plex to sell
-T'amber
[SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
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Evelgrivion
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:46:00 -
[2]
The feature is cash for a skill point advantage; a step in the wrong direction for the only thing of value in this game - skill points over time.
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:50:00 -
[3]
CCP is starting to slide down the slippery slope with this potential move.
Players, we must stand up and resist the higher-ups at CCP who wish to take this fine company down the path of microtransactions!
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:51:00 -
[4]
I mean seriously CCP WTF?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:52:00 -
[5]
WTF CCP?
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Zhu De
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:56:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Zhu De on 20/09/2010 20:56:01 Why!!?? CCP why!!??
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Kythren
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:56:00 -
[7]
WTF CCP? ----- <sarcasm="inside"> murmur<->eve authentication script(python) http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ Mumble, the |
Tomcat
Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:56:00 -
[8]
Yup, CCP this is not a cashshop free to play mmo..don't go down this road.
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Imperian
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:56:00 -
[9]
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ZE FUGGG ??????
The day CCP starts micropayments I will quit this game -.-
RAWR |
SMOOC
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:56:00 -
[10]
/signed
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Araneas
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:57:00 -
[11]
please CCP, reconsider this idea, you will lose many MMO players dedicated to eve
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:57:00 -
[12]
For the proposal, which says NO to plex for xp. Bad idea and step in the very, very wrong direction.
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s73v3n2k
UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:57:00 -
[13]
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Drakonido
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:57:00 -
[14]
Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
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phunkadin
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:57:00 -
[15]
money for ingame bonus of that type is not cool and never will be
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marinko26210
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:58:00 -
[16]
Strongly support this proposal.
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Quantum X
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:58:00 -
[17]
Quote: The day CCP starts micropayments I will quit this game [/qoute]
sounds like a good plan to me if this happends
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Wibla
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:58:00 -
[18]
WTF CCP
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JohnStar
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:59:00 -
[19]
micro payments would be a step in the wrong direction.
ccp what are you thinking ? |
Dalvor Coraneu
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:59:00 -
[20]
Yup, slippery slope sounds about right. How long until we can simply buy skill points with cash?
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Hawza
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:59:00 -
[21]
srsly dumb.. do not want.
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Kucharka
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:59:00 -
[22]
No to remap for plex!
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Mina Soul
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Posted - 2010.09.20 20:59:00 -
[23]
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Secksified
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:00:00 -
[24]
DO NOT WANT!
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Aveng3X
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[25]
DO NOT WANT __________________________
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AtheistOfDoom
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[26]
Blame whiners.
Originally by: CCP Charlie
You just made me facepalm so hard...
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Kalyn Nord
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[27]
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Gharick
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Gharick on 20/09/2010 21:01:57 "WTF CCP" -Vuk
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De Lobo
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[29]
WTF CCP !! ?? !!
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I Artorius
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[30]
WTF CCP!
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JAY WRIGHT
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[31]
Signed
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Zugger
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:01:00 -
[32]
no, just no
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Jackal314159
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[33]
WTF
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Elijah Olivaw
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[34]
/signed
o/ Tam
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RALFI
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[35]
WTF CCP!
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Akido Bushido
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[36]
WTF CPP!!
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ElrondMD
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[37]
Plex and GTC RMT has already caused massive shifts in the way the game operates, hell no to this, whats next?
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[38]
Just because everyone else is doing doesn't mean you need to.
What's next separate shards?
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Sublime88
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[39]
NO CCP....NOT A GOOD IDEA!
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Redemption Jones
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[40]
WTF CCP!! R.J.
The hour of your redemption is at hand... |
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Marcos Corleone
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[41]
WTF... why not make RMT legal then? Make some ppl happy, make others quit playing!
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WolfSchwarzMond
The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:02:00 -
[42]
Please resize your signature, as per the Forum Rules. Maximum height 120 pixels, maximum width 400 pixels, maximum file size 24,000 bytes. Shadow. |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[43]
for all the people ... there is a "support this topic checkbox" you got to check that.
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Iron Eagle
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[44]
wow CCP, you guy just think of how to fail instead of improve.... |
Torhal Nuke
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[45]
WTF CCP! -------------------- Defending the weak Protecting our home worlds Fighting for those who matter most ... ... those brave men ... ... those valiant few ... -------------------- |
Polymer
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[46]
Agreed
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Miss Arutha
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[47]
wtf ccp
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zakear dragon
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[48]
i support this product
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MEM0
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[49]
ummmm no very very very bad idea
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Vapour Ghost
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Vapour Ghost on 20/09/2010 21:05:16 CCP please dont start going down this route......it leads to a bad game
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Dworf
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[51]
CCP WTF?
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Seraphin Foad
Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[52]
already sick of the 0.0 lag, this will just plain annoy me to no end.
/signed.
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Capataz
Amarr Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[53]
WTF CCP
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Rinadin
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:03:00 -
[54]
/signed |
Nash Leigth
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[55]
WTF CCP
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Atigone
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[56]
Woot!?
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Pokedswen
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[57]
WTF CCP ! Don't screw up the game in this way
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Z'Ha'Dumm
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[58]
CCP WTF?
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RickDukane
Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[59]
Signed... Plex for isk is one thing because ships and items are destroyable. Skill point advantage is a little unfair i think.
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ryr65r764
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[60]
When it starts, I ll cancel all my accounts with killing the all chars !!!
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Gingawa
Caldari Gravis Unbound Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[61]
WTF, CCP!
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zoe death
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:04:00 -
[62]
WhhhhaaaTTT whattttt whatttt.......
WTF CCP
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XOS Psymon
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[63]
Game Advantages vs IRL money? It's the cash politic of all crapy games. Don't do this CCP!!
-Psymon
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Seven Six
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[64]
This is ******ed. If your rich in life then u can be amazing at eve. Come on has the Icelandic economy gotten so bad?
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RHodeidra
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[65]
while I do not think i would be horribly bad, it IS indeed the start of a downhill-movement.
I say nay !
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Hysterically Unforgiving
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[66]
this is not the first step toward making this game a money hog, they started down this path when they made plexs movable so ppl would get them killed trying to move them, now you can trade money for a skillpoint advantage, thats BULL****!
how about you fix the lag instead of getting greedy and ill reactivate my dormant pvp account because then pvp would at least be playable again?
**** you CCP
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starchura
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[67]
WTF CCP !!!
no no no
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Githerax
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Githerax on 20/09/2010 21:05:52 Makes Githerax sad :(
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Velociter
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:05:00 -
[69]
CCP WTF?
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Darin Buge
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[70]
WTF CCP!
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Arkon Hjallian
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[71]
WTP CCF ?
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Zzathrass
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[72]
CCP WTF?
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Eminence Kochis
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[73]
LAME... WTF CCP!
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Jamus Gorrelius
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[74]
WTF CCP
weve got the lag and now you want to introduce this crap.
Has something happend to your minds.
close down EvE now if your gonna do this.
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Skaldi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[75]
CCP WTF?
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Tigerres
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:06:00 -
[76]
I agrea and support this post if CCP does this i will quit the game the whole point of a true mmo and pvp game is skill over time i worked hard and wait a long time for my skills i will not have som e one new to the game come in and not have to work as hard as i did for the ships we fly CCP you will lose a lot of your player base if u do this and I will QUIT the game if this comes to pass
Tigerres
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Caprican Erock
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[77]
wtf ccp... signed. |
Kepa Nimo
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[78]
WTF CCP!!! "Its all for nothing, if you dont have your FREEDOM!!"
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GermanNightHawk
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[79]
CCP WTF?
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SickPuppy UK
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[80]
WTF CCP!!!!
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R3DRUM
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[81]
can I please be able to buy $1200 skill points? plexs for remap is MEH, would rather have the above^^^
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Pedro Bonami
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[82]
/signed
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Reza Najafi
UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[83]
signed
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Sabrielle Hysteria
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:07:00 -
[84]
Micropayments ? NO WAY !
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Metalfreak
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:08:00 -
[85]
WTF CCP?
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Bla QuaZebra
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:08:00 -
[86]
wha ?
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Altrinsic
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:08:00 -
[87]
WTF CCP!
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Petition Monkey
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:09:00 -
[88]
Once again, **** all over your existing client base with no regard, jeez CCP, give me one break at least... How much money have i pumped into this game? More than a nub who works this feature out would....
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Anita1
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:09:00 -
[89]
WTF CCP
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Tyran'te Mas'tere
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:10:00 -
[90]
What you up to ccp ?? you have a system here that works and doesnt only favour the big spenders ......
Ever heard the expression if it aint broke dont fix it ??
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Rochel Hakiri
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:10:00 -
[91]
CCP WTF? |
bradgarrett
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:10:00 -
[92]
NO TO PROP 8...er, microtransactions.
wtf ccp
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Senjo Ling
Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:10:00 -
[93]
Dont turn into Blizzard. Please CCP >.< ------------------------------------------------
Proud founder of [MSEL] Mutant Snake-Eye Lotteries! Join Mutant Snake-eye in game for more info ^^
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Tariana Eve
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:11:00 -
[94]
CCP! this one sucks **** I WILL QUIT PLAYING FOR EVERZZZZ!
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Blaun Bongs
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:11:00 -
[95]
supported!
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lady lioness
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:11:00 -
[96]
WTF CCP!!!! This is just rediculous
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Elijah Xtock
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:11:00 -
[97]
Supported!
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Ruyter
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:11:00 -
[98]
CCP WTF?? |
Simen123
modro R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:12:00 -
[99]
is this where i sign?
triplesigned and hoped for
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lordakumatatar
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:12:00 -
[100]
Edited by: lordakumatatar on 20/09/2010 21:12:41 Come on CCP you make enough cash off us already. You say losing ships to lag will be an unfair advantage and would wreck combat (pvp), allowing people to gain an unfair advantage. well what would u call CASH for Points? i would like CCP to answer that. if they introduce that then ever ship we lose to lag should be refunded.
P.s. get my bloody picture right!
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Skilluuhh
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:12:00 -
[101]
supported!
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Domino Petachi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:12:00 -
[102]
WTF CCP !!
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Xa Fel
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:12:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Xa Fel on 20/09/2010 21:13:41 Supported. I don't want to see this. Ever.
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Sidious Spartan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:13:00 -
[104]
Seriously CCP WTF? Instead of focusing on the major problems eve has, i mean S E R I O U S L Y? Don't hate the game, hate the players. |
Onyth
Had Holdings
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:13:00 -
[105]
Supported, plex for neural remap is a big no no!
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Makenshi Drakonnen
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:13:00 -
[106]
We already pay our monthly subs, you don't have to squeeze every penny out of us and I worry what sort of precadent this sets.
Plex for SP anyone?
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Ownsta
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:13:00 -
[107]
This will ruin the game completely. you might make some money with this CCP but in the end you'll lose a bunch of players aswell and you'll ruin the EVE aspect. ossim b00bage |
Tronk Drokar
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:13:00 -
[108]
suuported!
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edd duardo
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[109]
WTF CCP !! NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Hax Zoidberg
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[110]
WTF CCP??!!!
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fire elf
Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[111]
<3 T'Amber Supported I agreee
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Surdal
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Surdal on 20/09/2010 21:14:49 Signed
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InsaneBlazer
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[113]
/signed
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1337sushi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:14:00 -
[114]
supported!
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:15:00 -
[115]
LInk please? wtf is heppening here? i haven'theard of it, but signed.
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Mireidor
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:16:00 -
[116]
Supported.
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Renarri
FCON Aerarium Militare Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:16:00 -
[117]
WTF CCP!!!
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Cash Warbash
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:16:00 -
[118]
This will be the begining of the end
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E Wan
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:16:00 -
[119]
OMG WTF CCP?
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Jakh33
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:16:00 -
[120]
WTF CCP!
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Frankie Stone
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:19:00 -
[121]
No, just... ...no!
What's you next idea? Expiring ships people can fly for 30 days?
I sign this petition.
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daniel26210
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:19:00 -
[122]
WTF CCP!
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Infinint
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:20:00 -
[123]
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Hiyde
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:20:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Hiyde on 20/09/2010 21:20:13 CCP WTH? =(
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Van Helsing
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:21:00 -
[125]
signed
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Moresco
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:21:00 -
[126]
Trading Plex's for Neural Remapping is not acceptable in any way
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Mystery Assassin
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:22:00 -
[127]
FAIL!!!!!!!!
Epic fail idea of the millenium.
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:22:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Cheeba Don on 20/09/2010 21:23:47 No. Dont do it CCP.
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oOk! |
Galison
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:23:00 -
[129]
While I dont have an issue on it being considered unfair since lots of people remaped maybe once and haven't after. Anyways I support T given it does represent a potintialy bad shift on ccps part since if thsi goes ok whats to stop them for adding more stuff in for plexs ie microtransactions.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:23:00 -
[130]
WTF CCP! HELL NO DON'T DO IT!
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Couger 911
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:24:00 -
[131]
WTF CCP
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retzalot
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:24:00 -
[132]
signed.
srsly wtf ccp!
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pouwer
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:24:00 -
[133]
no bad idea bad ccp
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T0KER
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:27:00 -
[134]
WTF CCP!
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Meisje
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:28:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Meisje on 20/09/2010 21:28:06 This is a step in the wrong direction. Real life money should NOT ever allow an advantage in skillpoint progression. Keep plex's for gametime (or possibly aesthetics such as character portrait change) only.
CPP, this idea just plain makes you look bad. Show us you're not just in this for a money grab, please.
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Nef Erator
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:28:00 -
[136]
WTF CCP.
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LuceOscura
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:29:00 -
[137]
NOOOOOOOO WTF CCP
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Fenris Rake
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:29:00 -
[138]
WTF.... dont be stupid.
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Speec
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:29:00 -
[139]
Nooo!
WTF CCP!?
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Graifazig
Strategic Solutions Ltd. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:30:00 -
[140]
You're ship was destroyed. Insert coint to continue. No way to go CCP ...
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Lex Causae
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:30:00 -
[141]
Simply, NO!
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DarkonRhoe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:30:00 -
[142]
WTF CCP! Calmarri
FTW |
PaulRPG
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:31:00 -
[143]
Bad CCP. Bad.
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illumination particle
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:31:00 -
[144]
WTF ccp
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Inspector Moron
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:32:00 -
[145]
Do not want!
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:33:00 -
[146]
Not a good idea on CCP's part.
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LoveDaddy
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:35:00 -
[147]
Edited by: LoveDaddy on 20/09/2010 21:35:54 :(...noooooo LoveDaddy > ahhh well u can be all good things will eventually get ****ed up by some nonces Konradbat > such is life Konradbat > we should burn KU in protest lol LoveDaddy > i like that idea Konradbat > hehe Kuarg > i'm sure :) LoveDaddy > burn ku for no plex! LoveDaddy > /emote gets matches Kuarg > put in it forum Ideas! :P
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Darth Allegra
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:36:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Darth Allegra on 20/09/2010 21:36:36 WTF CCP?!?
/signed tbh
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Sheila O'Reiley
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:36:00 -
[149]
This is the wrong direction, dont do this, no advantage for RL money.
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Nagusaran Rensia
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:36:00 -
[150]
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Laventhros Ormus
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:37:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Laventhros Ormus on 20/09/2010 21:37:33 Obligatory: WTF CCP!? I brag to friends about how Eve is not like ANY other MMO. If you do this, We'll all lose bragging rights. I might as well go play ***king WoW
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:37:00 -
[152]
So signed!!!
Please please please don't go this route CCP....
BIG Lottery |
MINESVSGANG
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:38:00 -
[153]
WTF CCP!
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Otangka
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:38:00 -
[154]
CCP WTF?
whats next paying for a lag free system?
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Husonaut
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:39:00 -
[155]
WTF CCP!?
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Iguanoid
Caldari The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:39:00 -
[156]
No thanks ccp, thats even worse than the stupid salvage ship you are feeding to the empire nubs --
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Esmilis99
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
[157]
WTF CCP???
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Yarrrhel Andrer
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Yarrrhel Andrer on 20/09/2010 21:41:32 What next? Buying sp for plex?
:<
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Mictlantecuhtli
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
[159]
WTF CCP!
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Faraothe
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Faraothe on 20/09/2010 21:45:57 /signed
This is the WRONG way to go CCP!
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Caelum Mortuos
Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:41:00 -
[161]
All aboard!
note - nobody has actually disagreed with the OP thus far, but on the front page it appears to be 50:50.
TICK THE "SUPPORT THIS TOPIC" BOX WHEN YOU POST!
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Isfacu
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:42:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Isfacu on 20/09/2010 21:42:35 /signed
BAD idea
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Bubbette Miner
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:42:00 -
[163]
Bad Call
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Deaduck
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:42:00 -
[164]
No thanks ccp, you really that desperate for isk??
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Syypher
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:43:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Syypher on 20/09/2010 21:43:42 /signed
No thanks CCP
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chesterdoom
Reliables Inc
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:43:00 -
[166]
No PLEX for remapping CCP please....ty http://static.griefwatch.net/templates/gwchaos/images/banner.jpg |
FraNtik
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:44:00 -
[167]
signed ---------------------------------- BIG's Bloodhound "You can warp, but you can't hide"Ö |
Enamore
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:45:00 -
[168]
/signed
Sincerly hope you do not take this route CCP
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Facepalm
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:47:00 -
[169]
VERY disappointed in CCP for proposing this measure. Whatever happened to doing "good business" instead of screwing people out of every little buck you can get? Sure this will make you more money, but it leaves a very sour taste in most of your customers' mouths.
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Phenom
Gallente Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:47:00 -
[170]
CCP goes RMT and develops the first step towards a micropayment system? No thanks
This idea violates the spirit of eve and hurts the feelings of many players.. because we dont want to end like other f2p mmorpgs with a micro payment system!
So long Phenom
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Zahn Retmas
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:50:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Zahn Retmas on 20/09/2010 21:50:50 Very bad idea. Real money for ingame advantage is already rampant with PLEX (RMT) and character sales that have exploded because of PLEX. CCP please do not make the situation worse by adding another mechanic that allows those with the financial resources to gain an unfair advantage over those who don't.
/signed this petition
ZR "Try not, do or do not, there is no try!' - Ancient green guy... |
Ryuichi
Queens of the Stone Age Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:50:00 -
[172]
DO NOT WANTE
A dangerous precedent indeed.
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Soraya Nol
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:51:00 -
[173]
CCP you are smart but very likely not as smart as you think you are. You opened the can of worms that is plex, so now htfu and deal with it. Props for trying it out tho, it was a daring move I give you that.
If it turns out plex is a bad idea, manTF up and get rid of it entiry. This is not only a lame way of dealing with it, it's also dangerous to your game.
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FatFreddy
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:52:00 -
[174]
Edited by: FatFreddy on 20/09/2010 21:52:55 - You can buy isk with real money via the way of PLEX - You can buy characters with isk
Quote:
Pros:
* There will be no CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
You are simply wrong.
Originally by: CCP Adida Removed a comment that isn't related to guild recruitment.
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Liol Wongsta
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:53:00 -
[175]
Not cool CCP
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Major Ferret
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:54:00 -
[176]
WTF CCP!?
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Meldgaard
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:54:00 -
[177]
Why are this a bad idea?
All it dos are helping people like me there after a half year of int/mem finds out that one of the other races has been buffed and are the new fotm, so now i have the choice between dont join the zelot gangs or train with 15/15 in per/will.
hopefully this will change if ccp makes this change. But remember that right now its just a thing on sisi ccp has not said if this is are for tq or just for testing on sisi
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Midlands Hoover
The Drag queen in space fan club
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:54:00 -
[178]
Just like a mouthfull of horse spunk DO NOT WANT....at least not on a week night.
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Kiana Firmanii
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:55:00 -
[179]
NOOOO!!!! Very bad idea. PLEASE don't let this happen to this game. Your going to take a game where players excell because of hard work, dedication, and time put forth to achieve goals and ruin it by giving an outstanding advantage to people with lots of money. XP (sp) should be earned through time not paid for by people who don't wish to dedicate time to this great game. So ccp....wtf are you thinking? Don't ruin a good thing to make more money.
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Andy Caldair
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:56:00 -
[180]
WTF CCP .
In the beginning the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has widely been considered as a bad move. - Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
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Tatianya Balorvini
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:56:00 -
[181]
/signed |
Vricrolatious
Caldari Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:56:00 -
[182]
Remap for Plex? Horrible idea... that is all. |
Theel Maas
The Praxis Initiative Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:56:00 -
[183]
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Lytharius
Ascent Network Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:57:00 -
[184]
WTF?! NO! "Die Philosophie ist ein Kampf gegen die Verhexung unseres Verstandes durch die Mittel unserer Sprache." - Wittgenstein
"Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den glei |
DogzNutz
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:57:00 -
[185]
Although I can understand that CCP is ultimately a Business aimed to make money this is something that will hurt your standings with your valued customers.
I for one have been playing this since inception so I would not appreciate the idea that some one can actually get to my levels of skills on Multiple characters by using RL cash. Yes the option is there for all of us to use but some of us actually do have RL to financially worry about and use this game as a means of escape not of more financial imprisonment.
I personally detest this dea and hope CCP comes to it's senses that Cash is good but loyalty is much better Bow Wow wow yippy ya yippy ya!!
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Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:58:00 -
[186]
Tell you what, CCP. It's your game, you can kill it if you want. I'd be bummed because I think, even with the bugs, it's the best MMO ever. Still though, if it gets to the point where only rich people's brats willing to shell out all their hundreds of dollars in allowance are able succeed in the game...I'll move on and do something else and you'll have to entertain those brats with something other than players (for I doubt I'll be alone).
You're already competing with some major new deals coming out. If I have to pay to play AND pay to be competitive it just won't be worth it anymore. You're already pushing the boundaries of my tolerance by requiring us to subscribe multiple times to have characters in different professions (and in fact you almost lost me at the start when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to play and wasn't able to test different things at the same time). Now that I've played a while I'm actually starting a new account, have purchased plex to sell in game, etc... But there's a limit to how much I'm willing to budget to a game.
It'd be a bummer to have to quit EvE because the company behind it decided to get more money not by increasing subscriber base and fixing problems that make people go away, but my trying to wring ever more dollars out of the people remaining. It'd be a bummer but you can bet good money that every single one of us has a limit to the amount of crap we'll put up even for a game as good as EvE.
Want to change the SP mechanic? I'd be the first to support it. I failed to get my GF (an avid MMO player) to bite into EvE because of the forever wait to play. You can't even spend more time pushing the leveling faster. It kind of sucks to have a character that you have to brew for 6 months before it's ready to do anything interesting. So change it all you want, but don't make it cost extra to speed up the process. That's just being greedy. The source of all legend |
count sporkula
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Posted - 2010.09.20 21:59:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Drakonido Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
this
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Skarfase
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:00:00 -
[188]
Am I the only one who doesn't really see this as such a major issue? You can already buy PLEXes and buy a character with that isk that has loads of SP, how is this that much different?
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Soraya Nol
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:04:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Skarfase Am I the only one who doesn't really see this as such a major issue? You can already buy PLEXes and buy a character with that isk that has loads of SP, how is this that much different?
Because now there is a way to generate sp faster by throwing money at it.
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Melina Lin
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:05:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Skarfase Am I the only one who doesn't really see this as such a major issue? You can already buy PLEXes and buy a character with that isk that has loads of SP, how is this that much different?
No, you are not alone. And it's the exact same thing. Real world money buys you an advantage in-game.
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Pandora Kai
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:05:00 -
[191]
No CCP, no!
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Alex SOKOLOFF
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:06:00 -
[192]
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Ossa Ett
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:06:00 -
[193]
WTF CCP?????
Is BLizzard buying you out? Cuase this sounds like a blizz thing lol.
Cmon....no selling of anything that gives ingame advantages to one group of people over another.
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Slade Hoo
Retired Gunslingers
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:07:00 -
[194]
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:07:00 -
[195]
Neural remaps for PLEX sounded like a cool idea at first...then I started thinking about it.
It widens the gap just that much more between newer players with not much ISK or RL cash and longer-term players who have had time to grow their ISK reserves. A slippery slope and a bad precedent, in my opinion.
Supporting T'Amber...Just Say No to neural remaps for PLEX.
Life In Low Sec |
Vik Luk
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:07:00 -
[196]
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Baumi
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:08:00 -
[197]
Noone needs micropayment, it is bull**** and always will be.
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Lady Ann
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:08:00 -
[198]
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Todeszone II
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:09:00 -
[199]
Confirming we do not want micropayment
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Cire XIII
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:10:00 -
[200]
Gametime and portrait change are acceptable uses, but character transfers and remaps are out of the question. These would devalue the Eve experience for reasons already stated.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Our problems are server-side.
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Sinister Borris
Sinister Shift Industries The Men Who Stare Wrongly At GOATS
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:11:00 -
[201]
NOOOOOOO CCP WTF
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CO Bradley
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:17:00 -
[202]
Edited by: CO Bradley on 20/09/2010 22:18:32 WTF CCP!
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Irumani
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:20:00 -
[203]
WTF CCP!
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Daki Razarac
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:22:00 -
[204]
seriously WTF CCP??
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Yarrr grr
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:23:00 -
[205]
WTF ccp??
______________________________________ LOVE TO WEAR WOMEN'S CLOTHES tm |
Bloodhands
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:23:00 -
[206]
WTF CCP?!?
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FOEHAMMER006
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:28:00 -
[207]
WTF CCP? --------------------------------
Don't QQ about me posting. |
Kuar Z'thain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:30:00 -
[208]
Signing dis.
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Brothorn
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:30:00 -
[209]
support this topic!
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Blue Ergot
Parabola Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:32:00 -
[210]
the idea is obsurd, support this topic plz
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Melina Lin
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:33:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Mynxee
It doesn't mean that further perpetuation of such things are good for the game.
In my opinion Pandora's box was openend with the introduction of PLEX, "the" enabler of the alts army. This widened the gap between newbies and "loaded" older players more than anything else IMO.
But you'll hardly find a proponent for the removal of PLEX, I reckon.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:33:00 -
[212]
Supported. Earn more money by increasing subscription cost, not by bull**** like this.
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Aeristhuane
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:34:00 -
[213]
support!? yes
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Lu Kra
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:39:00 -
[214]
F*** CCP
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Oceane Chevalier
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:42:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Oceane Chevalier on 20/09/2010 22:43:04 WTF CCP!
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Moffgeert
Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:43:00 -
[216]
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Sivine
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:44:00 -
[217]
WTF CCP???
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Gaurina
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:45:00 -
[218]
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:46:00 -
[219]
WTF CCP? NO!
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Scharrie
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:47:00 -
[220]
NO CCP.. NO. Eve is not a hooker, and we're not its Johns.
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Cap'n Roshak
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:50:00 -
[221]
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helpnuout
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:59:00 -
[222]
WTF CCP! Helpn
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Garkonite
Internet Spaceship Gamers Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:00:00 -
[223]
if they do the neural remap then they should do gtc's for t2 bpos otherwise they should stop being stupid
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Gorthox
Minmatar Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:02:00 -
[224]
WTF CCP !!!
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zcar300
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:03:00 -
[225]
No paying for skill with isk. I'm already too far behind. And you're lucky to get my money as it is since I don't have a job.
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BAR0NESS
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:07:00 -
[226]
Seriously, how did they think this was a good idea?
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Diddyo
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:08:00 -
[227]
WTF CCP !?
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Sour Mint
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:09:00 -
[228]
Great Idea, CCP should allow SP to be re-assigned for plex's too. Great stuff CCP..
you lot whine and whinge way to much, when you lot rage quit contract me all your stuff before you go play wow
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Knanama Uinen
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:11:00 -
[229]
I agree, do NOT trade plex for remaps.
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Dawn Ramsey
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:11:00 -
[230]
SIGNED
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viper09
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:13:00 -
[231]
well ccp if this happen then you reall dont give a **** about the main backbone of youre gamers. you have much more important things to fix like all the bugs we have and get the usual bs excuse from gm sorry but we see nothing wrong with youre account
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Shear Terror
The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:15:00 -
[232]
WTF CCP!
Quote: null
_______________________ Shear Terror |
Salesman 1969
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:25:00 -
[233]
WTF CCP!
first cash for remap ....and than 30 M SPs for 500 Bucks?
ccp got personal from second life?
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Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:27:00 -
[234]
plex->character attributes flies in the face of a game that has been built around a time-based levelling paradigm. NATI. |
Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:28:00 -
[235]
WTF CCP.
I just returned to EVE recently and rushed into a completely stupid remap on one of my old alt characters, but I'd rather suffer through a year of sub-par SP than see PLEX for remaps.
Supported.
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Patri Andari
Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:30:00 -
[236]
It's all about the Benjamins baby!
Patri
I'll Roshambo You For That Titan! |
Cpt Jagermeister
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:31:00 -
[237]
No god damn way!!! Way to late in the game to start this **** ccp.
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Roger Ramjett
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:32:00 -
[238]
-I saw something like this coming when they gave out the 100,000 skill point bonus for that long down time. -How hard could it be to sell 100,000 skill point PLEXes? - Now extra remaps, ugh. -Don't do it CCP.
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Cecchini
Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:32:00 -
[239]
WTF CCP
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Dengen Krastinov
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:34:00 -
[240]
WTF CCP?
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Kra Torii
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:40:00 -
[241]
What the F%&K CCP?
Seriously, this idea is bull****.
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KingKillaC
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:42:00 -
[242]
Wow, possibly the single dumbest thing someone could possibly implement. The only dumber thing would be walking in-station.
Seriously though CCP, please do not go through with this.
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EviI Monkey
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:44:00 -
[243]
Originally by: KingKillaC Wow, possibly the single dumbest thing someone could possibly implement. The only dumber thing would be walking in-station.
Seriously though CCP, please do not go through with this.
LMAO.
Agreed. Please do not do this CCP.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:47:00 -
[244]
Originally by: T'Amber
There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
PLEXes are bought and sold with ISK. As such, I don't support this thread.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Dark 0verlord
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:49:00 -
[245]
And No!
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Astroka
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:50:00 -
[246]
This makes me and who knows how many other EVE players believe CCP is heading in the direction of microtransactions, which are one thing: bad. Oh, so very very bad.
====================================== "Rawr" means "I love you" in dinosaur! ====================================== |
Astroka
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:52:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: T'Amber
There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
PLEXes are bought and sold with ISK. As such, I don't support this thread.
-Liang
They are also brought into the game with real money.
====================================== "Rawr" means "I love you" in dinosaur! ====================================== |
Gamst
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:53:00 -
[248]
My good god. What is going on here. I mean if someone lost 74 plexes in ship could you imagine someone being able to remap literally every week in order to get into that Titan.... I support my Serbian leader.
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Ecillium
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:53:00 -
[249]
WTF CCP?!
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Grantness
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:56:00 -
[250]
WTF CCP?
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:57:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Melina Lin But you'll hardly find a proponent for the removal of PLEX, I reckon.
I strongly want PLEX gone. It's ridiculous that RMT is legalised by them. Want a titan? Well just get out your credit card. Unfortunately too many people on the otherside of the transaction like the idea of playing EVE for free. And PLEXes were cleverly marketed as a solution() to RMT before enough people realised it was akin to governments selling methadone in every corner shop to solve a ****** (edit: diamorphine) epidemic.
But that's no reason not to resist further steps down this spiral, or it won't be long before Subscription 2.0 is a reality. Infact this change would basically be a mild version of Subscription 2.0. Pretty ironic that it was only a little over 2 years ago CCP joked about it to emphasise that EVE didn't have a crappy pay model like other games
(I'm posting with the forced-assumption this is actually true, cos right now I'm not believing it) |
Kra Torii
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:01:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Blazde
Originally by: Melina Lin But you'll hardly find a proponent for the removal of PLEX, I reckon.
I strongly want PLEX gone. It's ridiculous that RMT is legalised by them. Want a titan? Well just get out your credit card. Unfortunately too many people on the otherside of the transaction like the idea of playing EVE for free. And PLEXes were cleverly marketed as a solution() to RMT before enough people realised it was akin to governments selling methadone in every corner shop to solve a ****** (edit: diamorphine) epidemic.
But that's no reason not to resist further steps down this spiral, or it won't be long before Subscription 2.0 is a reality. Infact this change would basically be a mild version of Subscription 2.0. Pretty ironic that it was only a little over 2 years ago CCP joked about it to emphasise that EVE didn't have a crappy pay model like other games
(I'm posting with the forced-assumption this is actually true, cos right now I'm not believing it)
I'm going to be fair and say I don't pay for Eve with RL cash, unfortunately some of us don't have the money for it.
I love the game, but RL will always come over Eve.
~~ |
Lord Zengin
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:06:00 -
[253]
And thus, the death of Eve Online. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:08:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Astroka They are also brought into the game with real money.
And? You think that somehow gives someone an unfair advantage? If you want one, spend the 2 hours to grind up the ISK and get it.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Diyannis
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:10:00 -
[255]
Edited by: Diyannis on 21/09/2010 00:11:01 WTF CCP
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Nikollai Tesla
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:17:00 -
[256]
No cash shop. No $$ => Skill point advantage.
Make remaps accumulate 1 a year, allowing more than 1 to be stored.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:18:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Nikollai Tesla No cash shop. No $$ => Skill point advantage.
Make remaps accumulate 1 a year, allowing more than 1 to be stored.
It's an *ISK* shop, genius.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Clacker McDucky
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:19:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Clacker McDucky on 21/09/2010 00:24:12
Originally by: Blazde
Originally by: Melina Lin But you'll hardly find a proponent
(I'm posting with the forced-assumption this is actually true, cos right now I'm not believing it)
Nm.
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Astroka
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:20:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Astroka They are also brought into the game with real money.
And? You think that somehow gives someone an unfair advantage? If you want one, spend the 2 hours to grind up the ISK and get it.
-Liang
I never said I want one nor did I once elude to that fact. I also said nothing about an unfair advantage. My point is since PLEX's are brought into the game with real-world money, I believe they should only be used for purposes that are also paid for with real-world money, like extending an existing subscription. This is essentially paying $15 for a neural remap.
====================================== "Rawr" means "I love you" in dinosaur! ====================================== |
Zintar
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:20:00 -
[260]
NO WAY, bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Suls
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:21:00 -
[261]
Wtf CCP?
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Lemmy Kravitz
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:24:00 -
[262]
Certain things will make me deinstall a game instantly. One is the concept of what I like to call Chizzling. When RL money will gain you a major advantage over other players, forcing you to purchase what ever product. and then a whole bunch of little fee's like .99cents for a new skin or $5.00 for extra cargo hold or $2.00 for this perk or that perk.
Sorry, the second I see that rear it's ugly head is the second I deinstall and stop playing MMORPGs till the "Old Republic Star Wars MMORPG" comes out. I'll play for like 6months and then get bored cause i can't loot the corpse, and stop playing mmorpg's all together.
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windflare
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:25:00 -
[263]
CCP: DO NOT WANT.
Seriously.
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NQRott
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:27:00 -
[264]
WTF CCP?
bad idea, a step in the wrong direction
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Tecno 51
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:31:00 -
[265]
WTF CCP! Hello NO!
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:33:00 -
[266]
WTF CCP???
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:33:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 21/09/2010 00:35:22 Tell the Fracking idiot on your staff who thought this was a good idea to go back to Linden Labs Or Blizzard and stay there.
9 pages from 2010.09.20 20:44:00 till now, impresive, I dont think you triggered This mutch rage with the T-20 issue.
*.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* *.* a (Long) Guide to Pi
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Maksim Cammeren
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:44:00 -
[268]
People with too much money can already spend it on fancy ships and learning implants.
Don't want to turn this game into a micro-transaction one.
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Nullity
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:49:00 -
[269]
I am against non-cosmetic micro-transactions in EVE, and feel this is treading dangerously close. Please do not implement this, CCP. EVE is too dignified of a game for it to be brought down to that level.
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Zoidberg ENB
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:52:00 -
[270]
Micro-transactions should be kept out of EVE. I would not quit over this if it were implemented, but I'd be highly annoyed, and would probably quit EVE (after six and a half years) if any further micro-transactions were added.
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Komahal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:54:00 -
[271]
WTF CCP?
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Tony Bob
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:55:00 -
[272]
WTF CCP?
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Dzajic
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:56:00 -
[273]
Supported. Please no such blatant microtransactions in EVE.
Also, WTF CCP? :(
Polished content =/= broken and unbalanced content. |
Angra Meinyu
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:56:00 -
[274]
No Micropayments!
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Raktavija
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Posted - 2010.09.21 00:59:00 -
[275]
WTF..NO!
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:04:00 -
[276]
ahh make some cash CCP!
I dont really care how u do it, i want less lag and more features! ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
Hoist the Colors! |
Lev Aeris
b.b.k
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:07:00 -
[277]
CCP, if you go through with this all I have to say is:
**** YOU!
And I say that with Sincerity.
If you really want to go all Shylock on us, at least start improving the quality of your declining product (which has been decaying since you rushed out the half (in)completed Dominion just so it would happen on some obscure island hick holiday.)
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Ordavion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:22:00 -
[278]
NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS FEATURE!!!! GIVE US IMPORTANT FIXES
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Camdelma
THE DISC
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:22:00 -
[279]
No cash for SP.
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Torain
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:25:00 -
[280]
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Hand Bannana
Imperial Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:26:00 -
[281]
Can I vote 'No' with Plex? |
Hooded Claw
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:26:00 -
[282]
WTF CCP! |
MaudDib Evauk
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:26:00 -
[283]
WTF CCP
/agreed
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Emperor Mill
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:28:00 -
[284]
Could this be the end? |
Sevarian
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:34:00 -
[285]
Wth?
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roto
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:48:00 -
[286]
W..T...F!!!!!!!!!!! CCP!!!!!
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vtocIII
Raptor Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:50:00 -
[287]
WTF CCP? I mean really? REALLY? how about, um... hell no???
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Etrias Jhozah
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:52:00 -
[288]
No, just...no.
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Melichor Duraldi
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:55:00 -
[289]
When the **** did CCP get bought out by Zygna? No please, next your going to come out with a pay feature that will balance large blasters and rockets __________________________________________________
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Marquise Zena
The Walt Disney Company
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:59:00 -
[290]
wtf ccp
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Tinkerbele
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:00:00 -
[291]
really? are you serious?
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AtheistOfFail
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:01:00 -
[292]
Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 21/09/2010 02:01:04 WTF CCP?
If they do this, i'm closing up shop and letting my sub expire
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Leela Fox
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:02:00 -
[293]
Bad idea...period
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Athael
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:04:00 -
[294]
Bad Idea
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Voddick
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:07:00 -
[295]
I sincerely doubt anyone is reading this far back, but here goes.
CCP is trying to make extra money, hoping that more people will buy and consume PLEX to put RL isk into their coffers.
The better way to do this would be to only allow people to pay RL money for the remap, not use an in-game item that it tied to the in-game öfunö economy. Things are volatile enough now that the mineral basket is sinking with the insurance changes. Let people with RL money use that money in a way outside the game economy, before a pilotÆs license extension becomes perverted into something it shouldnÆt be.
The best way to do this would be to focus on micro transaction in DUST and focus on quality products with the fixes players are requesting in EVE. People already pay every month to play a game that takes them away from real life stress and problems. If problems and stress get introduced into ôplay timeö then people will go somewhere else.
Please remember CCP: if your business model gets so aggressive it stops repeat customers from having fun, then nobody wins.
Vod
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EdvensoR
Preeternal Spark SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:10:00 -
[296]
Edited by: EdvensoR on 21/09/2010 02:10:26 fully supported, make price 500mil isk for remap, and sell plex for this.
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No Mauk'Ob
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:12:00 -
[297]
yes... indeed WTF ----------------------- Vice Admiral No Mauk'Ob Murientor Tribe Navy 1st MCW MURIE is Recruiting! |
Falconis Grimfeather
Q-Squared
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:12:00 -
[298]
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soufy
Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:14:00 -
[299]
this idea stinks... pewtox!
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Ichera
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:19:00 -
[300]
Edited by: Ichera on 21/09/2010 02:23:08 WTF CCP!!!!!
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pink harvest
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:20:00 -
[301]
WTF CCP!?
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Ihsahna
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:30:00 -
[302]
Edited by: Ihsahna on 21/09/2010 02:31:52 Buying game time with isk is a great idea, cause players who couldn't afford paying rl money every month for game have an option and chance to enjoy the EvE universe. Paying for remap and sp ? Really, WTF CCP ? Ruining the values of the game for some extra income is not the way i see the future of this game :(
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:31:00 -
[303]
No passaran! ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Jayson Rock
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:32:00 -
[304]
WTF CCP?
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bh75
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:33:00 -
[305]
Just No.
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ghost273
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:36:00 -
[306]
Seriously the wrong path. Will lose yet another customer if this happens.
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dee x3
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:42:00 -
[307]
WTF CCP
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DJ15
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:47:00 -
[308]
WTF CCP!
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Drako Mantis
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:50:00 -
[309]
If I wanted easy and mash buttons, I would go play wow. You are just inviting people with no skill to ruin the game. Whats the point of the game if it took me so many years to get my SP to where it is and some noob comes in and buys his SP.
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Gabrienne
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.09.21 02:50:00 -
[310]
WTF CCP!
This is a terrible idea.
PLEX exists to hurt ISK sellers, this is a "Good Thing" (TM)
Trading a PLEX for a remap is nothing more than an unabashed attempt to generate more revenue by allowing players to micromanage their skill growth by paying CCP more money.
Not only that, but the economic effects will be profound.
The direct consequence is people buying more GTCs to use on remaps, generating more revenue for CCP.
However(!), not everyone will buy GTCs for this, a great many will buy PLEX off the market and cash them in for these remaps, reducing the overall supply of PLEX (and ISK!).
The very real consequence of this effect will be to drive the price of PLEX up, and because of the perceived increase of value, more people will buy GTCs to convert into PLEX, generating still more revenue for CCP.
--
The net effect is the addition of yet another money/ISK sink into the game. However one that spiderwebs into several other effects that compound that effect.
--
A personal message to CCP: We already pay a subscription to play this game.
If you really cared about growing EVE's long term revenues, you would fix the longstanding balance and interface issues that prevent long-term adoption.
You want WoW sized revenues? Try reducing the barriers to entry and making the game more fun for solo and low SP players.
This means getting rid of the damn learning skills. I shouldn't have to tell my friends that if they don't want to waste their time/money they have to spend the first month in a noob ship working on learning skills.
Taking 3 months to get & fit a ship that's actually worth flying & feels badass is way too long to keep the majority of gamers interested.
</rant>
-Gabrienne
(Lord knows if I tried to string my customers along with a gimped service for the first year while having them pay full price for it... well I wouldn't have many customers for long.)
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BuKToooP
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:00:00 -
[311]
WTF CCP !!!!!
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Box Kicker
The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:13:00 -
[312]
WTF CCP!?!
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D Lysergic
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:13:00 -
[313]
Just No.
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Hack Harrison
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:16:00 -
[314]
A definate no to using plex for this purpose. It is a bad place to go. Gate time exchange via Plex is fine. Anything else is not...
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Moon Dogg
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:31:00 -
[315]
If this is put into play on Tranquility, I suspect that a decent number of current subscribers will let their accounts lapse. I might even be one of them.
I do NOT support the concept of PLEX for a neural remap.
*********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..." |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:33:00 -
[316]
Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 21/09/2010 03:35:19 Cash shops are bad, mmmkay?
Edit: Oh, and if you'r going to allow PLEX for services, then why not the services you already charge for? PLEX for character transfer would be more useful, and less stupid, than this proposal. === "The data does not support that polished quality sells better than new features" "Once Incarna and Dust are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement" CCP, FTW? |
Elnoo
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:38:00 -
[317]
WTF CCP!!!
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SSN 609
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:43:00 -
[318]
WTF!!! CCP
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Kralin Ignatov
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.09.21 03:55:00 -
[319]
this is literally ******ed.
WTF CCP??? ______________________ There once was a killboard for BoB, then there was no BoB. - killboard.net |
Nasdram
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:02:00 -
[320]
WTF CCP!?!
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YongMin Shu
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:03:00 -
[321]
WTF CCP ?!?!
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:05:00 -
[322]
Supported |
Doragee
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:10:00 -
[323]
WeTeeF?? --
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:11:00 -
[324]
"WTF CCP?" is now an EVE meme, soon to appear in signatures everywhere.
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:11:00 -
[325]
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Tako Wasabi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:13:00 -
[326]
no thank you CCP
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Rovani
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:15:00 -
[327]
A step in the wrong direction CCP
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Prestias
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:16:00 -
[328]
I think a NO would be in order. erm... wtf
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Torrent Wave
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:24:00 -
[329]
WTF CCP?!?!?!
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Jomald
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:25:00 -
[330]
No way CCP...
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Oslo
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:26:00 -
[331]
WTF CCP!
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Overman
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:33:00 -
[332]
WTF CCP??
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:47:00 -
[333]
Edited by: Tuttomenui II on 21/09/2010 04:54:31 Neural remapping is to CCP and micro transactions as Marry juana (why is that censored?) is said to be to pot heads and harder drugs.
See what I did there ^^^^^
VVV BTW Click that LINK VVV
!ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME! |
STARTSWARS
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:47:00 -
[334]
serioulsy WTF CCP! |
Ismokda Bombuds
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:52:00 -
[335]
ccp are u serious? Seriously WTF CCP?!! -1 for this dumb idea
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DerTribun
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:53:00 -
[336]
So signed!!!
Please please please don't go this route CCP....
http://www.battleclinic.com/kill_sigs/signature_display.php?string=DerTribun |
Giliascal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:57:00 -
[337]
signed
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klyeme
Soft War Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:57:00 -
[338]
Edited by: klyeme on 21/09/2010 04:58:08 I don't really see the problem, it is after all just a remap and you get one for free every year.
Still supported, (if it isn't broken don't fix it) don't break what don't need fixing (fixed for CCP .)
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Gol'dar
Deep Exploration Projects and Programs Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:58:00 -
[339]
next step: sp for plex (cash)?
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Priest Creed
Amarr Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:58:00 -
[340]
WTF CCP? Sworn 4 Fun Loyal To None |
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JohnDoe Lee
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:00:00 -
[341]
WTF CCP!
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Tyr Aeron
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:01:00 -
[342]
Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 21/09/2010 05:07:26 ooops.....double post.
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Tyr Aeron
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:06:00 -
[343]
WTF CCP? Apparently your ego's and your greed have begun to consume what was left of your souls.
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Rakshan
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:09:00 -
[344]
WTF CCP!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?WTF Life is Pain.....Get over it!!!! |
Kruxas
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:11:00 -
[345]
CCP....Stop that ****!
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Adelaid
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:23:00 -
[346]
I play solo char. Found alts already a poor feature showing how loneless we are in a called massive multyplayer game... GTC allowing bots and scammers to work for free, plex allowing rich people to buy whatever they want. I don't see where u're going CCP...
It's the only game I ever played online. It's prolly the last one.
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Alien King
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:30:00 -
[347]
OMG wtf make the game more easy for the newbs n dumb heads or what? You guys WANNA become like WoW(aka World of Crap!)
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Max Churchill
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:33:00 -
[348]
WTF CCP
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Keras Authion
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:33:00 -
[349]
+1.
Microtransactions are bad, mmkay.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:33:00 -
[350]
NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
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Lornnar
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:35:00 -
[351]
no RTM
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Kronn Lor
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:38:00 -
[352]
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Dairaen
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:39:00 -
[353]
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Sepheir Sepheron
Legion..
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:40:00 -
[354]
Surely you jest, tell me this is a really good troll. |
r3voo
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:40:00 -
[355]
WTF CCP !!! |
Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:41:00 -
[356]
CCP, don't make this stupid move... |
Sane Sawyer
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:42:00 -
[357]
Signed! |
Arina
Free-Space-Ranger
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:48:00 -
[358]
WTF |
Apfelgrieps
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:49:00 -
[359]
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blubberkuddel
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Posted - 2010.09.21 05:50:00 -
[360]
Not that way.
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Cadian Smith
Vengeance Imperium Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:01:00 -
[361]
WTF
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mindblow
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:06:00 -
[362]
WTF CCP? Sig removed, lacks EVE related content. And it scared the bejesus out of me - Mitnal
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S'Rau
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:06:00 -
[363]
If they implement this, you have to wonder what the next step will be ...
+1 for the proposal
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Sylphs
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:07:00 -
[364]
+1 too
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Manolo Mondaril
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:08:00 -
[365]
WTF CCP!
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Supai Arkasi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:09:00 -
[366]
more money, more problems, so WTF CCP!
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Max Churchill
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:12:00 -
[367]
I got 99 problems but a neuralmap ain't one.
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RealRancor
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:19:00 -
[368]
WTF CCP?
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GreenSurf
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:34:00 -
[369]
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Yuna Terra
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:37:00 -
[370]
WTF CCP! _________
"Life is a lot like music, all songs end..." |
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Kami Sigma
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:38:00 -
[371]
WTF CCP?!?!?
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Xavius IV
Eve Inc. - DE
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:40:00 -
[372]
signed and fully supported
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Ivana Twinkle
Amarr Gravis Unbound Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 06:51:00 -
[373]
WTF CCP
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Sinaelle
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:04:00 -
[374]
/signed
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Gregarius
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:12:00 -
[375]
WTF, r u mad CCP?
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Schwarzlicht
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:13:00 -
[376]
sux
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Gritstone
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:16:00 -
[377]
WTF CCP!
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Kajan Tormen
Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:17:00 -
[378]
agreed
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Thora82
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:27:00 -
[379]
WTF CCP???
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Thirler
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:33:00 -
[380]
WTF |
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Kyrea eX
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:41:00 -
[381]
NO! Pls don't.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:43:00 -
[382]
Sure not.
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Jimmy Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:46:00 -
[383]
WTF CCP!
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TheHenni
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Posted - 2010.09.21 07:56:00 -
[384]
Edited by: TheHenni on 21/09/2010 07:57:05 WTF CCP!
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Senior Wasp
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:03:00 -
[385]
No CCP. Make something useful instead.
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Alvin Exe
Decapsuleers Unlimited Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:03:00 -
[386]
Plz don't do this :(
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Eragon Sabrin
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:11:00 -
[387]
Not good at all
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DarthMopp
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:18:00 -
[388]
WTF CCP! "Alea iacta est"
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Kan Deadman
Quiet.Storm Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:22:00 -
[389]
Edited by: Kan Deadman on 21/09/2010 08:23:05 I will not only quit, but terminate my toon the moment this passes.
CCP, its not bad enough that ur privacy policy has been resembling facebook's for a while now, but destroying the one thing that made this game so particular?
I hope you start talking some sense into urselves.
Sincerely, Kan Deadman
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FellRaven
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:30:00 -
[390]
This would be the thin end of the wedge, how long before CCP allows you to trade you Industrial Skills or PvP or Minimatar BS5 for Amarr.
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Starchain
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:32:00 -
[391]
CCP, I know, you need monies... I want doomsday for my kestrel for $1000, think about that.
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SturmLumlane
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:32:00 -
[392]
WTF CCP ?
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:35:00 -
[393]
Going to support this. Even thought it WILL happen and there is nothing the player base, much less the lolcsm can do about it. It will mean more money for CCP, which they will not let anyone prevent them from doing.
Oh well...
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:36:00 -
[394]
WTF CCP
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Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:40:00 -
[395]
Whoever suggested such feature for the game, probably forgot to take his medication. WTF CCP?!!
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Rez Drazdir
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:40:00 -
[396]
This is as FAIL as a shield armor and hull tanking domi with mining drones....
W T F ccp..... Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
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Orr Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:42:00 -
[397]
WTF CCP. Fail idea is fail...
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GreGh Rakrot
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:44:00 -
[398]
CCP you really are dumb sometimes ... |
Optimism
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:45:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Optimism on 21/09/2010 08:47:05 While I dont think using a PLEX to remap your atrib points is a bad thing, allowing something like this to go through sets a really really bad chain of events which will spiral out of control and end up with even more ways for CCP to grab money.
Ofcourse you think getting more money from people who want to change remap points is a good thing Ofcourse you think getting more money from people who want to change their industral alt into a perfect mothership pilot is a good thing Ofcourse you think getting more money from people who want to buy themselves Amarr BS 5 and T2 Large Pulses is a good thing
Sure you will have more money but when you allow these things to happen and on a sunday evening when you are sitting there looking at 5000 peak subscribers logged in, think back to now when you knew it was a realllly bad idea
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Vorte X
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:49:00 -
[400]
Full support!!! |
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Rain Kaessinde
Liminal Cloudwatch
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Posted - 2010.09.21 08:53:00 -
[401]
PLEX should never have any function other than to be activated for game time. |
Andrew Candless
Black-Wing Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:05:00 -
[402]
Edited by: Andrew Candless on 21/09/2010 09:06:05 SP for $ or Ç? Not in my EVE!
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iciingdeath
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:11:00 -
[403]
should i even say this WTF CCP
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Belixia
Decapsuleers Unlimited Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:22:00 -
[404]
I agree.
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Furlag
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:23:00 -
[405]
I agree
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Diana Tiger
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:44:00 -
[406]
agree |
sue AGPlant
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:48:00 -
[407]
moar bug fixes less pandering to whiny nubs do dont get how the skill system works currently
CCP: destroying the game we love 1 nerf at a time.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:49:00 -
[408]
Wouldn't it be wonderful if CCP had a group of players they could consult in advance of making changes like this, a group that could give them feedback on the possible player reaction?
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
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Yanina Khanid
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:51:00 -
[409]
Edited by: Yanina Khanid on 21/09/2010 09:51:40 I agree
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terodrel
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:53:00 -
[410]
I agree
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Bo Tosh
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:53:00 -
[411]
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 09:56:00 -
[412]
Its a big step in the wrong direction, do not want.
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Eleonora Tarantis
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:05:00 -
[413]
This is the wron way CCP. Turn around - quick...
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:09:00 -
[414]
I, too, oppose plex for remaps. It's a slippery slope that we should not get on.
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Dodgy Past
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:10:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal I, too, oppose plex for remaps. It's a slippery slope that we should not get on.
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Cynamz
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:18:00 -
[416]
wtf ccp ?
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Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:21:00 -
[417]
yea, uh, no.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:23:00 -
[418]
I never take slippery slope argument serious, especially not if we are way further down the slope already. Plex for remaps has a much smaller impact than plex for ISK, and worse character trades. I really dont see the issue (imo remove all of them or none of them).
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:25:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Wouldn't it be wonderful if CCP had a group of players they could consult in advance that were not seeded with their own agendas pushing for whatever benefits their nap train coalition before of making changes like this, a group that could give them feedback on the possible player reaction?
Fixed. This is probably why they never consult you guys on a lot of stuff. They never know if your going to give feedback based on what is best for the eve community or what is best for your personal agenda. Can't really blame them for not checking with you tbh.
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Hank Meltz
Decapsuleers Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:28:00 -
[420]
Edited by: Hank Meltz on 21/09/2010 10:28:52 WTF CCP !!
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TheLexa
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:29:00 -
[421]
wtf ccp ?
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PBBDuality
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:31:00 -
[422]
WTF CCP?
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Headlong
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:35:00 -
[423]
do not want. --- Director - As[G]ard Schiffswerften Join Public Channel: ASW |
Drinak
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:37:00 -
[424]
Just say no to microtransactions!
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somerandomeal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:39:00 -
[425]
Worst idea I've ever heard. This goes against what CCP said that PLEX would be.
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tharbedragons
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:40:00 -
[426]
No thank you, CCP!
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S'Ryel
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:48:00 -
[427]
HTFU CCP ! Don't fail your playerbase : say no to microtransactions !
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Penible
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:50:00 -
[428]
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:00:00 -
[429]
I rather not see implementations like this.
/c
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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Najerius
Clockwork Dawn
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:00:00 -
[430]
micropayments -.-
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:09:00 -
[431]
Getting ingame stuff for out of game stuff is baaad, m'kay?
____________ nerf metagaming, boost fun |
Seymour Beaver
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:12:00 -
[432]
Plex for remaps!?!?! NO... dont do it!!!1!!one!!eleven!!
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:16:00 -
[433]
Edited by: chatgris on 21/09/2010 11:16:25 If you really want to do this - make it for ISK, not plex. Plex should never be directly used for anything but to replace the subscription fee.
And while I will refrain from slippery slope arguments - microtransactions are a horrible, HORRIBLE idea. Please never sully eve with them.
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XrayZII
AVE EVE
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:23:00 -
[434]
no... just no.
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Jimbawe
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:35:00 -
[435]
Why would anyone even think about such a mechanic?
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Greniard
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:36:00 -
[436]
WTF indeed
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:42:00 -
[437]
Supported. PLEX for remaps is a bad idea in principle.
Stuff like using PLEX for character transfers or portrait changes is fine - that's just an admin fee. But effectively paying to create SP... no.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Laedy
Mad Bombers
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:47:00 -
[438]
Bad, bad idea. Slippery slope indeed.
My EVE blog http://laedyinred.blogspot.com/
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Reistlin Majere
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:04:00 -
[439]
WTF? |
Koan Mandala
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:12:00 -
[440]
wtf?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:13:00 -
[441]
I'm all for adding more uses for PLEXs, but I'm very concerned about the bypassing of in-game mechanics for such uses. The fact it also affects the speed of SP gains makes the issue especially distasteful. CCP know from learning skills how sensitive people are about SP, so they must have known how sensitive people are about any unfair advantages in that department.
I guess it could be a lot worse, but I would rather we don't ever get to that point. As I said, more uses for PLEXs is a good thing and this is rather minor issue in itself, but it is troublesome, that they went straight to here knowing how players would react instead of trying less distasteful uses first. Not the end of the world, but I don't like it and I'm worried were this might lead us.
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Ricc Deckard
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Ewoks
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:14:00 -
[442]
Please, don't ... ---------- Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. |
laannah
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:17:00 -
[443]
I support.
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MedweSajtli
Together For Each Other
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:26:00 -
[444]
/signed
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Kronos Hopeslayer
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:29:00 -
[445]
Edited by: Kronos Hopeslayer on 21/09/2010 12:30:38 wtf ccp?
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Le glagla
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:31:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Le glagla on 21/09/2010 12:35:39 Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
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13 HAMMERFIST
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:32:00 -
[447]
BAD IDEA
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eimoti2
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:33:00 -
[448]
WTF CCP!
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Frigateur
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:35:00 -
[449]
Edited by: Frigateur on 21/09/2010 12:36:33 Real Money for Game advantage...NO! |
ixecutor
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:35:00 -
[450]
Agree - bad idea for the game
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Alexas Kateiwa
Caldari Gravis Unbound Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:36:00 -
[451]
WTF CCP?! Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:39:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Le glagla Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead. ---
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Pataurel
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:40:00 -
[453]
WTF CCP ?
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Unknown One
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:41:00 -
[454]
WTF CCP ?
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Cpt WilliamKidd
Minmatar You Are In Combat
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:43:00 -
[455]
WTF CCP???
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Noun Verber
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:44:00 -
[456]
RMT is bad, even when used legitimately
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Svenne009
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:47:00 -
[457]
Imo not a good idea -> NO
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HunterHH
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:50:00 -
[458]
WTF CCP? seriously.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:52:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Noun Verber RMT is bad, even when used legitimately
Maybe you should find out what RMT actually is, before jumping on da bandwagon bro. ---
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Lookimse
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:56:00 -
[460]
WTF CCP
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Dreaming Tramp
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Posted - 2010.09.21 12:58:00 -
[461]
WTF CCP ?
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lasterax
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:00:00 -
[462]
Wow, crazy.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:01:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Suitonia I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not.
I'm with you here. I don't see how this would be worth quitting over. Or, how it's the worst feature ever. |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:01:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Le glagla Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead.
The HACs are evanescent; the SP are here to stay.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:03:00 -
[465]
So is a 50M SP char you buy.
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Dracxus Ti
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:07:00 -
[466]
now eve come like all the other online games out there, if you have cash you will be better,wonder how many players eve will loose if ccp dose go ahead, regardless of its players. i know il be one of them.
WTF CCP DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:08:00 -
[467]
Except, it doesn't "create" SP, it only means someone can have SP in a different category of skills than their previous attributes would allow. ---
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max rosanski
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:10:00 -
[468]
WTF CCP??
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NATBECKETT
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:12:00 -
[469]
What a joke ccp
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:15:00 -
[470]
Edited by: Suitonia on 21/09/2010 13:16:19
Originally by: Dracxus Ti now eve come like all the other online games out there, if you have cash you will be better,wonder how many players eve will loose if ccp dose go ahead, regardless of its players. i know il be one of them.
WTF CCP DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*GTCs a Faction battleship with HG implants and officer modules* perfectly fine, no advantage there *remaps so I can train a different category of skills at the rate I'm currently training a category of skills* OMG CCP INGAME ADVANTAGE FROM RL CASH IM QUITTING OVER THIS ****.
(Even though you can buy PLEX with ingame isk) ---
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Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:21:00 -
[471]
Micro-transactions are bad m'kay?
-=-=-=-=- Reformed Carebear. Much bear, zero care. -=-=-=-=- |
Jana Tanaka
Tanaka Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:23:00 -
[472]
Edited by: Jana Tanaka on 21/09/2010 13:27:45 No to $4SP.
If you buy GTC, sell them for ISK you buy a character from ANOTHER PLAYER buy ships from ANOTHER PLAYER.
If you buy GTC, convert them to Remaps via PLESK you buy SP from CCP.
Oh and... CSM ? Stakeholder ? CCP ?!
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Cyxopyc
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:24:00 -
[473]
Edited by: Cyxopyc on 21/09/2010 13:27:34 It boils down to this.
If you are against using a PLEX to remap skills you are against anything bought and sold for isk that allows the increase of a players skill point gains or skill point total. This includes attribute implants and characters sold for isk since both allow a player to increase their skill point gain or skill point total for isk. And you can of course get isk by selling PLEXes.
I believe a better solution to this would be the completion of a quest to give you an extra attribute remap. Design it however you want. Use your imagination. If you want involve a tradeable item giving isk some part in the remapping (which would more discretely involve PLEXes).
P.S. CCP - We need less new content and more improvement of the game we have. (new client?)
== Support fixing the EVE UI |
guska Cryotank
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:31:00 -
[474]
/signed, seriously, signed signed signed signed.
WTF CCP?
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Uriel Winston
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:38:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Le glagla Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead.
You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.
lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1) then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)
now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.
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Ms Rabbit
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:40:00 -
[476]
WTF CCP? seriously. |
Silen Boon
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:41:00 -
[477]
WTF CCP?
Eve doesn't need even more real money trading for in game advancement.
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Transen Paule
Die Gummibaerenbande
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:47:00 -
[478]
I don't like this
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:51:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Uriel Winston
You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.
lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1) then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)
now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.
It doesn't allow you to train faster, it allows you to train at the same rate as you normally would, but for a different category of skills. You also have incredibly bad planning if you have int/mem, train a gunnery skill, then spec back to int/mem to train Science skills.
I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to be more flexible with your skillplan, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone can train faster than me at all, which is true, despite hordes of bandwagoning going on saying that it adds SP to the game, or increases your training speed, which is very misleading.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:54:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Uriel Winston
You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.
lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1) then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)
now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.
It doesn't allow you to train faster, it allows you to train at the same rate as you normally would, but for a different category of skills. You also have incredibly bad planning if you have int/mem, train a gunnery skill, then spec back to int/mem to train Science skills.
I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to be more flexible with your skillplan, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone can train faster than me at all, which is true, despite hordes of bandwagoning going on saying that it adds SP to the game, or increases your training speed, which is very misleading.
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Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:56:00 -
[481]
/signed. bad idea CCP
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Sitting Pretty
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:57:00 -
[482]
CCP, Please don't. If a person can't plan well enough or is too damn impatient too wait the year they should NOT be able to bail themselves out with their pocketbook!
I am one of those poor saps who is having to grind isk for the skills needed and mine for the hull of a Thanatos. I already feel sore in the posterior towards those who can say, "Thanny? heh 2 PLEX's, $40.00. Fittings? $80.00."
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Master Akira
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:01:00 -
[483]
Don't ruin the Rockets/Dual monitor joy.
DO NOT WANT.
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Civire Dissension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:01:00 -
[484]
WTF CCP!
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Atoa Apilka
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:05:00 -
[485]
Would these gentlemens from CCP be on the point of selling their soul to the devil? It would be perhaps more judicious to respect, the soul precisely, of this game which makes you live for 7 years...don't you remember? With our money!
I hope that you will hear us...
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Alexia Caleistah
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:07:00 -
[486]
Edited by: Alexia Caleistah on 21/09/2010 14:07:42 DO NOT WANT!
WTF CCP? |
Orosono
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:09:00 -
[487]
Signed. |
Savior to'Roids
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:12:00 -
[488]
Bad, bad, bad idea.
As a person who could afford to remap whenever needed, it would be nice to be able to optimize my training constantly.
On the other hand, I'd feel that I'd always have to keep my skills optimized, and that means that I'd start feeling like I have to play in way to maximize my in game income so that I wasn't spending $14 every time a skill finished. That means that I'd be a lot more conservative in my play style; which means I'd get bored, and once bored, leave. Microtransactions have always made me feel less like I'm actively doing something fun (playing) and more like I'm simply buying entertainment (watching), and I tend to lose interest in watching something much more quickly than I do playing something.
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Kalaarac
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:13:00 -
[489]
don't negociate ... you let a little today and you'll buy your sps tomorrow. wht's next ? A paypal ready eve shop to buy top faction ships,meta 73 items and sexy string for your avatar ...
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:22:00 -
[490]
Flame if you want, but if this goes live, I'm cancelling my subscriptions.
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Johanna Johnsen
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:22:00 -
[491]
WTF CCP
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Ramondo Fugi
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:24:00 -
[492]
I'm not going to read beyond first page, because I already know there is a masive amount of players not happy, with a very small amount happy.
I'm totally against this too, CCP. Money for Ingame Advantage = TripleDot. I'm sure there are other workarounds, but you've just taken the easy way out.
Not belonging to the topic: One of my accounts ran out 2 weeks ago, another one will in 1h, and this one in 4days. I do not plan to renew it in the near future, until this game will be fixed without using easy way outs.
Meanwhile, I'll be playing games that are still in their beta, which are definately worth it, I might add.
Good luck CCP, and the players still enjoying EvE. You have my best wishes. I apologise for the "Wall of text", however, this is one of my firsts, and the last post, for a while. I do not want to split it to 4 different "QQ Threads" where they'd belong.
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GZenia
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:29:00 -
[493]
WTF CCP!
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Aram Gishno
The Graduates
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:29:00 -
[494]
Seriously? Do you (CCP) have any focus groups you use before you propose an idea like this? Or is it just to place it out there and deal with the repercussions later?
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I'm Down
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:32:00 -
[495]
WTB 18 months of plexes please.
Seriously, fix your game, and maybe you wouldn't need this income to fill the hole you have from people leaving.
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Minaithnir Zhou
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:40:00 -
[496]
/signed WTF CCP ?
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Tactika
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:45:00 -
[497]
EVE ONLINE, THE NEW STARWARS GALAXY NGE ??
/signed
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Nuclear Fission
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:47:00 -
[498]
CCP Pls Dont Destroy Eve . With this **** .
I didnt skill 5 jears of my Livetime in a game and new players can get the same in half of the time thats not fair .
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BABARR
PARABELUM-Project Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:53:00 -
[499]
Ok, When i start eve it was a cool and nice little MMO, Now it's "all for money" I donno what happened but it's really a shame. Stop making **** and don't become like "other" MMO. ...
"Si vis pacem, parabellum" |
Selieania
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:59:00 -
[500]
wtf ccp?
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Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:02:00 -
[501]
Dear CCP,
Currently I pay Ç 360 per year for two subscriptions. What - in your best estimate - is the probability that I will suddenly pay even more for the same service, just to be able to stay competitive with other players of a similar age?
Imperian has the right of this, genuine German accent and all. I am out of here if this goes through, and CCP will need to sell 24 PLEX' per year to make up for the loss of my subscriptions.
It would perhaps be wise to label changes like these 'Hekla changes' due to the sudden, explosive and largely negative effect they will have among the player population, not to mention within the local Icelandic economy.
Sincerely
Vhelnik Cojoin.
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tboneburnett
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:03:00 -
[502]
no, no please not
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stvenska
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:04:00 -
[503]
WTF CCP
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:09:00 -
[504]
NOOO!!!
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Omegris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:09:00 -
[505]
Bad idea. Signed.
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hugh hephner
United Brothers Of Eve Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:14:00 -
[506]
WTF CCP!
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Lachlann
Heaven's Gate
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:15:00 -
[507]
I have 5 accounts I keep active. THis **** happens all 5 go bye bye.
I propose a walk out protest.......A way to show CCP who really runs this game...WE THE PLAYERS.
Pick a date and everyone stops playing for 1 day 1 week 1 months something. Let them see thier server drop to near 0 players for a week and we will see how much action we get.
I think everyone forgets that the players OWN the game based on paying for it. Withoug us CCP has what......0 income?
Take the control back!!!!!!!!!!
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Vandersar
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:24:00 -
[508]
WTF CCP!!
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Lantiane
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:28:00 -
[509]
If it will happen it is an advantage for Rich people - i dont support this!
wtf ccp?
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Panele Blogis
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:33:00 -
[510]
hellyea |
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:33:00 -
[511]
Originally by: T'Amber There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
Money, be it virtual or real has always translated into privilege. Haves and Have-nots.
Since I am not a socio-path I treat my fellow man with respect and will not engage in scamming activity to further my own agenda .. I hereby want all scammers, thieves, spies etc. penalised for benefiting from a trait I do not possess.
Not supported.
PS: Besides, who stands to benefit the most .. newer players who have a lot of skills all over to train. Bleeding them while CCP still can (ie. before they find the "Next Big ThingÖ") is good business. It is in essence a voluntary tax on newer players of the min/max vocation. |
Mutant Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:39:00 -
[512]
/signed |
DanMck
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:51:00 -
[513]
just a business decision with no consideration for the playerbase
how about no.
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Lady Mordreth
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:52:00 -
[514]
seriously, don't do it!
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Knoops
Immortal Legends
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:52:00 -
[515]
i support this
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winkelmander
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:03:00 -
[516]
WTF CCP!
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Weddel
Shiva
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:09:00 -
[517]
WTF CCP!?
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Erinyen Guerilla
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:21:00 -
[518]
next up: 3m skillpoints per PLEX
dont know what you guys at ccp smoke but take the hint and sober up!
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BBQfire
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:40:00 -
[519]
WTF CCP!
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Link Redial
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:44:00 -
[520]
pls no...
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Wadaiko
Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:44:00 -
[521]
/signed _________________________
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Levistus Junior
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:47:00 -
[522]
/signed
If this goes through, I wonder what's next, trading ISK for SP? It's the first step toward making the most valuable resource in EVE meaningless.
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Root'er
NeoCorteX Industry Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:50:00 -
[523]
/signed no real donate advantage is the only reason i play eve for more than 2 yrs already
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Saphyrie
Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:59:00 -
[524]
WTF CCP?
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:04:00 -
[525]
Microtransactions are a bad bad bad idea. I think we have enough with the current PLEX deal. No more please. ...
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:23:00 -
[526]
/me grabs pitchfork and joins the fray ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Shanindra
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:45:00 -
[527]
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Armlaa Lenbar
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:59:00 -
[528]
do not want this ****
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Chks
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:01:00 -
[529]
WTF CCP?
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:04:00 -
[530]
This is a step in a very bad direction. Plex, character portrait swaps, character transfer fees/sales in game are all tied together and from that standpoint plex for remaps makes sense.
WTF CCP?
They want the money, it is that simple. RMT showed them like nearly every other MMO that customers are lazy and willing to put $$ for game benefits (game money) rather than do it in game by grinding, let someone else do it or hack another player's account to get that game money. CCP got PLEX to stop money from going in to RMT's pockets when it could have been going into their own, customers showed them they were willing to pay for isk so why shouldn't they oblige them and take the cash, the side benefit is they can/could 'stomp' the evil macroers 'ruining' the game.
People want to sell their characters, well enter the character transfer fee, more $$ in CCP's pockets.
People want to change their character portraits, enter the swap portraits option, for a fee.
People will want just about anything and everything that throwing cash at will/can get them CCP might just oblige them. I think it is a bad idea but so is character transfer/selling/portrait swapping, as has been pointed out you can 'effectively gain sp' by buying plex, selling it, and buying a character thus you 'bought' a character. The argument is 'no that account was paid for over time and the cash went to ccp so it is okay' that is your rationalization the end result is someone was able to get something they couldn't get without waiting X months/years OR benefited through the paying CASH or just made that isk in game presumably paying for their account with cash, unless they didn't as many players have mastered the art of raking in billions and could easily fund several accounts for years.
Allowing Plex to obtain neural remaps which DON'T add SP to your account, just allow you to train 'optimally' JUST AS IF YOU ACTUALLY PLANNED PROPERLY. The difference is you could then do it rapidly and 'gain' by getting the skills to 'fully fly and fit' a ship or race's ships/weapons faster than someone else who optimally trained ships/guns then waits for the remap to train support skills etc. The player not paying for a remap may 'have' to fill a year before being able to switch over and in that year may have to train for something they plan to use later like a carrier or just 'specialize' in weapons or the like.
I support the proposal, the small group of people that screwed up a remap really should have a 2nd one as they would likely be new players/characters. The remaining people who 'screwed up' or made a stupid mistake should have read the warning before they accepted the remap, that is a really weak argument. The other aspect of this is it continues to widen the door for more micro transactions down the road, just as the character transfer fee and to a lesser extent the portrait swap did.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:08:00 -
[531]
Pros: I could train stuff SOOOOO much faster with this.
Cons: This decreases the delayed satisfaction of skill training in an extreme way.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Inggroth
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:13:00 -
[532]
Edited by: Inggroth on 21/09/2010 18:16:34 WTF CCP?
The cool thing about PLEX being an ingame item was - you could ONLY turn it in for 30days gametime.
Thats why the majority of players didnt have a problem with the hypothetical scenario of some rich noob purchasing a ton of PLEX and getting shinies/veteran chars etc. Because he would pay for gametime of others (who would use the PLEX to extend their subscription).
Thats why PLEX was a brilliant idea as a measure to stomp RMT, while not going cash-shop.
Now you're about to change that and be no better than some f2p/cash-shop/pay2win grinder.
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Zurit
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:19:00 -
[533]
/signed
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steave435
SniggWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:23:00 -
[534]
**** this
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Bendy Profane
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:29:00 -
[535]
Agreeing with the hysteria.
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:47:00 -
[536]
This will hit 20 pages in 24 hrs or less.
T-T-T-T-T-T-THREADNOUGHT IS A GO!
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Sordexho
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:49:00 -
[537]
Yes - if your a player who has need for a remap.
No - if your a player who has a pure 100 mill sp in pvp (or other speciality).
Maybe - if your somewhere between the two.
Personally after 6+ years I vote: NO.
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EYEDOLL
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:55:00 -
[538]
no micropayments kthx
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pyrlig
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:02:00 -
[539]
WTF CCP !!!!!!!
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:07:00 -
[540]
No.
No money grubbing dam little schemes! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
NO! |
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Guriztass
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:10:00 -
[541]
No thanks.
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Mocam
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:20:00 -
[542]
I like the idea of being able to fix an "oops" from my training plan (planned on 3 remaps in a year and a half based upon "2 free" then found out, right before the second one, that it's actually 1 free and 1 real/blocking remap so I've been running at slower training speeds than I planned on at this point) but that's something I've been dealing with.
I don't like the idea of PLEX being used in this fashion. It doesn't fit the "pilot license extension" stated use of the item at all.
If CCP wishes to make available additional remaps, simply assign an ISK value to them and charge that fee in-game but do not use PLEX as the vehicle. Leave that decision up to the player. It doesn't fit the name/purpose of PLEX in any way.
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FlightGlobal
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:25:00 -
[543]
No, ccp, just no
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Reiko Yamamoto
Shiva
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:26:00 -
[544]
WTF CCP? NO NO NO
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Jackie Irina
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:26:00 -
[545]
That really sounds like a very bad idea...
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Laura Hollard
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:27:00 -
[546]
i will emo rage quit if u carry the out CCP - WTF are u thinking
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Mithrandere
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:28:00 -
[547]
Edited by: Mithrandere on 21/09/2010 19:28:30 do this CCP and I will pull all my accounts - WTF!!!!!! -MESSAGE ENDS-
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Scrapheap Killer
Emperor's New Clones
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Posted - 2010.09.21 19:42:00 -
[548]
Come on CCP stop listening to the greedy accountants and remember what this game was supposed to be about, you've already done your best to ruin it with gimmicks that increase lag and decrease enjoyment, remember who your customers are.... |
rookas
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Posted - 2010.09.21 20:06:00 -
[549]
WTF CCP!
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CW VII
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Posted - 2010.09.21 20:11:00 -
[550]
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Aureleos
Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 21:24:00 -
[551]
WTF CCP!!!
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Shizo Lang
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 21:30:00 -
[552]
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Myriokephalon
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Posted - 2010.09.21 21:44:00 -
[553]
NO NO NO If EVE is going the micropayment path, I'll be gone.
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2010.09.21 22:07:00 -
[554]
WTF CCP!
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.09.21 22:17:00 -
[555]
You know you could just buy a plex off the market. No one is asking you to actually use money.
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Serdarxxx
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 22:46:00 -
[556]
WTF CCP!!!
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:04:00 -
[557]
Hey, CCP, can you start thinking of ways to fix lag and stop thinking of ways to **** your (former) subscribers off? Thank you. -- CCP's opinion of theft in EVE:
Originally by: CCP Shadow Did you get their waffles too?
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Roland Deschaines
NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:15:00 -
[558]
This already exists, you can buy and sell chars for ISK, and you can buy ISK with IRL money. The importance of this, however, is nothing compared to the necessity of having an indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. -- Monsieur Rolly |
javer
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:29:00 -
[559]
Edited by: javer on 21/09/2010 23:31:12 what raging ret4rd at ccp proposed micro payments? whoever it is needs tar and feathers -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:29:00 -
[560]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/09/2010 23:32:09
Since I just posted this in the new GD thread on the topic I thought I would throw it out here as well.
Did anyone think that this is a good way to give incentive to move plexes around in space other then someone just being stupid. This is based on the assumption that you will need the plex in the station you want to complete the remap in.
Currently I will not support the angst that is currently around. I think that CCP wants to try this and see where it goes and we should see what happens.
EDIT: Clarity
Slade
:Signature Temporarily Disabled: |
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.21 23:59:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/09/2010 23:32:09
Since I just posted this in the new GD thread on the topic I thought I would throw it out here as well.
Did anyone think that this is a good way to give incentive to move plexes around in space other then someone just being stupid. This is based on the assumption that you will need the plex in the station you want to complete the remap in.
Currently I will not support the angst that is currently around. I think that CCP wants to try this and see where it goes and we should see what happens.
EDIT: Clarity
Slade
Yes the 'point' is to 'use up' more plexes period. If they get transported and the remaps can only happen at medical facilities for instance that is just a better way to get MORE plexes removed from the game thus spurring the purchase of more plexes to replace those not available in game IF CCP continues to find new ways to let plexes leave the game through other account services, maybe extra jump clones, maybe improving security status, changing your name etc.
Actual plex sales/usage from this single feature aren't likely to have a huge impact, only a few who screwed up remapping, can't wait, or just have too much isk or lots of spare cash to blow would likely use it.
I disagree about seeing where it goes because I 'see' it going to CCP opening up other 'services' for plex and the goal is to remove them from the game spurring more sales, which means more $, that motivation can lead to ruining the game. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2010.09.22 00:36:00 -
[562]
Edited by: Battle Tested on 22/09/2010 00:38:16 Edited by: Battle Tested on 22/09/2010 00:36:59 You have got to be kidding me right? So someone who buys/sells isk can do in days what it took me 5 yrs to do? NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!!
SO, Basically its CCP's way of breaking their own EULA...right? |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.09.22 00:45:00 -
[563]
Slippery slopes make for excellent fun.
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Allan Glass
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:12:00 -
[564]
WTF CCP! |
Lee Dalton
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:12:00 -
[565]
No. This is ******ed. *** I AM A RUS HON SUPERSTAR |
Soho Torres
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:24:00 -
[566]
W0W really? soo all the people that have played this tarted game over years getting sp doin it the hard way and now your goin to allow people to pay for sp.. wow i thought this game couldnt get any worse
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Cypreion
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:28:00 -
[567]
Supported
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Taedrin
Gallente White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:03:00 -
[568]
Initially I was against this idea. Microtransactions seem to go against the general spirit of EVE. PLEX has always been a grey area of RMT. Some people love it, but some people hate it.
The thing is, PLEX can ALREADY be used to achieve a similar effect - buy PLEX, sell for ISK, purchase new character with skills you want.
The difference here is that the PLEX is consumed to allow you to remap, which will produce another "sink" for PLEXes, thus being a driving factor for PLEX demand. End result: price of PLEX goes up, and/or supply of PLEX goes up (i.e. people buy more PLEX). CCP earning money is a good thing, IMO. Furthermore, a higher priced PLEX increases it's attractiveness over illegitimate RMT which plagues us so which is also a good thing.
Remaps are still available to those who can't afford PLEX IRL - they can simply buy a PLEX off the market to get access to the same feature.
However, I believe that if CCP does go ahead with this feature, they should draw the line HERE. PLEX should NEVER be used as the only method to gain access to a certain feature of EVE. Neural remaps are currently available to EVERYONE once a year.
So a PLEX for a neural remap is OK in my book. PLEX for special mods/ships is NOT OKAY. PLEX for SP is already in the game in the form of character trades, so this wouldn't be as bad as people make it out to be (though PLEX for SP as a service would make RL ISK->SP conversions easier, so if you are against character trades, you would also be against PLEX for SP).
So I'm going to say: /not signed
But I'm all for getting CCP to discuss the topic with us first before they put it on TQ though. I'm sure that my little drop in the bucket won't change the overwhelming support this thread has. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:34:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Frigateur Edited by: Frigateur on 21/09/2010 12:36:33 Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
good thing that doesnt happen with PLEX's or Alt accounts now... ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
Hoist the Colors! |
Rokkan
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:47:00 -
[570]
WTF CCP! NO MICROPAYMENTS!
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Lord Tappen
The 5th Freedom
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:48:00 -
[571]
WTF CCP!!!!
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sallazzar
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Posted - 2010.09.22 02:53:00 -
[572]
this goes live I quit, simple.
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Hammerswift Thunder
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 03:16:00 -
[573]
Edited by: Hammerswift Thunder on 22/09/2010 03:25:58 Do not want if you dont wana invest the time in the game don't play
/signed Fly like your going to die because death comes to us all. tm |
boiess
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Posted - 2010.09.22 03:28:00 -
[574]
Do not want and btw re seed the market with npc fuel please prices are outrageous
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Dr Schadenfreude
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Posted - 2010.09.22 03:41:00 -
[575]
wtf ccp?!
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Alex Zander505
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.09.22 04:40:00 -
[576]
Edited by: Alex Zander505 on 22/09/2010 04:44:20 Bad idea.
I see this causing many problems in the future and many people to dislike it. Buying plexis is enough, completely remapping your attributes once is enough, but come on. As much/often as you want for 300mil/$15? Thats rediculous.
If you mess up with your remap, then i have something to say.
TRAIN YOUR LEARNING SKILLS. THEY SHOULD BE MAXED ANYWAYS.
Love, Alex Zander505
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Calcutron
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Posted - 2010.09.22 04:43:00 -
[577]
WTF CCP?
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Rayana Mitharie
Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 04:50:00 -
[578]
WTF CCP?
No mircotransactions! Not now...not Evar!
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Pathfinder Prime
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Posted - 2010.09.22 05:46:00 -
[579]
WTF!!!!!! CCP, stop doing this!!!
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Plastician
The Exploited. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.09.22 05:56:00 -
[580]
Seriously, EVE is supposed to be a credible, decent MMO. Adding this will place it in the same bucket as all other ****ty f2p cash shop games.
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Rakor Vin
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 07:56:00 -
[581]
Cmon CCP WTF
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jehovas
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:34:00 -
[582]
Giving an advantage to whoever has more RL capital is a bad idea.
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:42:00 -
[583]
Supporting the playerbase actually having to step in and point out where CCP is going wrong. -----
Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
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VC General
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:43:00 -
[584]
I don't see what the issue is myself. I know it sounds bad on paper, but at the same time, how often would someone want to remap anyway? I know I train my skills in blocks around my remap time. I could see maybe every six months coughing up a PLEX to remap, but I don't see the benefit some rich idiot receives by turning PLEX's into remaps a bunch of times.
Not to mention that if it's related to PLEX, than there's no more "RL Capital" involved than before. I pay for my account with GTC's, so that's pretty much some guy buying carriers and **** using my in-game time in exchange for his RL cash. If I wanted to remap a little earlier, and bought a PLEX to do it, rather than buying it to get more playtime, so what? You could make the same argument that if I couldn't buy a PLEX to pay for my gametime, I wouldn't be able to train skills, and thus would suffer the same fate as if I couldn't get a remap.
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Fractos
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Posted - 2010.09.22 08:58:00 -
[585]
F*** that.
CCP - sort your head out and the next time you come up with an idea like this, try to imagine the look of horror across people's faces when they hear about it, shortly before they quit.
This kind of real money advantage will cause such a massive loss of credibility and respect - you clearly have no idea.
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Lokal Horst
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:07:00 -
[586]
wtf?
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Sev Stormweasel
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:34:00 -
[587]
No no no.
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Kyang Tia
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:41:00 -
[588]
I Support this.
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Tetra gramaton
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 09:45:00 -
[589]
WTF.. SIGNED
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Ula Rin
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:02:00 -
[590]
WTF Skills and having to wait are one of the best features of EVE
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.22 10:42:00 -
[591]
Originally by: jehovas Giving an advantage to whoever has more RL capital is a bad idea.
It is and CCP has been 'fine' with doing exactly that ever since they started offering PLEX for sale.
Understandably PLEX filled a player desire to 'buy gold' while also allowing CCP to receive money that would otherwise go to people/groups that abuse CCP's product, and 'worsen' it through macroing and account hacking. This just puts emphasis on the fact that CCP might be fine with obliging player desires to 'buy their way' literally through the game, even more so than PLEX/ISK let them do now.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
Ama nojaku
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Posted - 2010.09.22 11:11:00 -
[592]
WTF.. CCP
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Kothar Zanpheria
The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:01:00 -
[593]
CCP, I do not think this is a good road to go down. I request you reconsider.
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Kwashi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:33:00 -
[594]
Supported. Controlling the "real money for ingame advantage" moneyselling phenomenon that plagues other MMOs is one thing that CCP has done well. Going down this route would be a step towards undoing that good work. Terrible idea
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Seth Ruin
Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:44:00 -
[595]
Supported. This is starting down a bad bath, CCP.
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DmitryEKT
Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.22 12:54:00 -
[596]
Cash shops are bad, 'nuf said. --- EVE Online: underwater spaceships simulator |
Moraru
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:16:00 -
[597]
WTF CCP!
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Adyny Rieph
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:16:00 -
[598]
Nay, say I.
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Guib Lugutrinos
Black-Wing Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:48:00 -
[599]
STOP this!
"Lachen t÷tet die Furcht und ohne Furcht kann es keinen Glauben geben. Wer keine Furcht vor dem Teufel hat, der braucht auch keinen Gott mehr. Umberto Eco "Der Name der Rose" |
Nadjia Saluor
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:58:00 -
[600]
Let's not go down this road.
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anomnomnomnomnom
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Posted - 2010.09.22 13:59:00 -
[601]
Nada
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Shammyra
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.22 14:16:00 -
[602]
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Gjuro
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 14:16:00 -
[603]
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Optimism
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Posted - 2010.09.22 14:19:00 -
[604]
Hi, I am willing to pay for a special implant that gives +100% weapon damage, +100% speed boost +100% shields and armour and doesnt go away when i get podded
also i will pay to change the colour scheme of my zealot, please allow me to make it black like a stealth bomber, also I would like this paint job to decrease enemy radar resolution so in effect i get 500% lock time delay on me at all times
umm where is the shop and how many plex's will it cost me to get these 2 things?
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Imuran
The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2010.09.22 14:54:00 -
[605]
Remap for Plex - Terrible Idea
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KOSTAS CALDARIANOS
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Posted - 2010.09.22 15:58:00 -
[606]
I openly object to the plex w***ing that CCP is silently trying to bring upon us. I mean,WTF!!!Not even a word, but i suspect this is the reaction they were trying to avoid. You sell all this **** about minor modifications (sansha invades...who the hell cares) that affect nobody when serious issues have not been resolved and you present it like we should thank you for actually doing your job. But for THIS, that actually affects the whole concept of the EVE community, not even a word. I have never been a fan of the "oldest profession" and i don't intend to start now. I mean, it was ok when the GTC trade was introduced as you "were trying to close down ISK sellers", even ok-ish when the plex system was introduced that was more or less the same, but to actually change the ONE thing that makes EVE special, the fact that even if you have 1 mil EUROs in the bank you would still be at the same level as the dude that makes minimum wage and started on the same day as you. Sure, you would be be able to buy a lot of flashy things but at least your character and your skills (that are the things that matter) wouldn't take into consideration the depth of your pockets. Now the more money you're willing to "donate" to CCP the better you'll be ingame. And YES there is a GREAT difference between training for a skill in 19 days and training for the same skill in 15. Eventually you'll catch up... Time is what made this game special, not the instant gratification. Those who need it should search elsewhere. We who don't will search elsewhere if something like that gets introduced. Those who f***ed up their remaps should learn from their mistakes as we all did.
Bad CCP, BAD.
Kostas smacks CCP with a newspaper on the nose.
And YES i support this thread and i would support it 3000 more times if i had the money to afford 3000 accounts...
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Dasubervixen
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:40:00 -
[607]
Remap for Plex = Bad idea.
Anything done within the rules of the game is NOT griefing. Get over it. |
Jerera
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:53:00 -
[608]
WTFáCCPá? But yeah, you are obviously interested in my post because you're now reading my signature.
My English might be choppy - I'm not a native English speaker. |
Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:57:00 -
[609]
I hope CCP be trolling
Fail idea is fail.
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kano donn
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:34:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Vuk Lau I mean seriously CCP WTF?
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Daquaris
Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:02:00 -
[611]
We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE.
No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever.
Son, I am dissapoint.
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Shannia Pain
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Posted - 2010.09.22 19:20:00 -
[612]
A step in the wrong direction...please don't.... |
rootimus maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.09.22 20:34:00 -
[613]
I don't think it's quite the end of the world that people are predicting, but I do think PLEX for pizza should be far higher up the priority list than silly remaps. Supported for this reason.
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M'aak'han
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Posted - 2010.09.22 21:10:00 -
[614]
Planning ahead is Eve's spirit. If one sucks at it, he better play something else.
Softcore Eve is that way ---------> []
I don't think this would be the end of the world, but it is definitely a step in the wrong direction...
"- Man, we've been ambushed and we're fitted for long range!" "- Ok guys ! Grab your PLEXes, we're gonna insta-refit in space to short range, we gonna pwn 'em, because we have the money !"
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ViolenTUK
Rise Of Man
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Posted - 2010.09.22 21:40:00 -
[615]
Keep the system the way it is. This system works fine and doesnt need changing. |
Kaurapa
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Posted - 2010.09.22 23:02:00 -
[616]
Slippery Slope
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Orb Lati
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.22 23:04:00 -
[617]
Finger | Hand
"We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.22 23:36:00 -
[618]
I really don't see the problem. While wealth (in game and out of) already brings all sorts of advantages I can't see this giving anyone any particularly unfair edge. All it means is that those who want to will be able to mix up their skill plans without the 12 month wait of training x/y skills instead of a/b skills at a lower rate. I respecced to Int/Mem a few months ago on my main and there's still plenty enough to keep me satisfied until my remap becomes available again. If you're too ADD/impatient to be able to stick to a skill plan then more fool you for wasting Isk/cash on chopping and changing all the time and/or drunken rage remapping.
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Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.22 23:48:00 -
[619]
I have to support this completely as well. I've never threatened to ragequit before but cash or cash-equivalent being traded for anything at all in-game except subscription time is exactly what it will take for me to leave this game. I don't plan on playing WoT after the beta ends in spite of really enjoying it so far because you can more or less buy your way into a competitive advantage with real cash. ** Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated |
SlayerOfArgus
Schrodinger's Renegades
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:20:00 -
[620]
CCP if you are trolling us then this was a very successful troll.
I REALLY hope this isn't for real though. I love this game. The plex system is unique in itself. You can use the GTC to buy shinies, yes, but you are still on the same level pretty much because what matters are skillpoints. And the way you are going, you look as if you are going to start selling skill points and that will ruin the game.
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Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:32:00 -
[621]
Edited by: Kassa Daito on 23/09/2010 00:32:48 double posted ** Disclaimer: Author sometimes spell checks but is not responsible for sins of commission, omission, emission, transmission, or submission. Flowers, bricks, or any other form of feedback appreciated |
Kassa Shoto
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:36:00 -
[622]
I have to support this completely as well. I've never threatened to ragequit before but CCP taking cash or a cash-equivalent to make a character better in-game is exactly what it will take for me to leave this game.
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Kassa Daisho
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:37:00 -
[623]
I have to support this completely as well. I've never threatened to ragequit before but CCP taking cash or a cash-equivalent to make a character better in-game is exactly what it will take for me to leave this game.
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cragz
Caldari Incidental Damage -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.09.23 00:42:00 -
[624]
Well, when I read this thread I thought
"Greed is a sin and I support this thread" but then I notice many posts like
"if this happens I'm gonna quit" but the fact is, most people in this game dont actually pay out of there own pockets for game time. They make lots of isk and buy ETC from others so you can hardly moan if they want another method to increase revenue. Besides, Im pretty sure most of the whiners here are free-riders anyway.
+1 for CCP
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Skydiver One
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.23 01:30:00 -
[625]
Originally by: T'Amber Proposal:
- Don't allow the trading of Plex's for extra Neural Remaps[/b]
Signed.
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente Schrodinger's Renegades
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Posted - 2010.09.23 04:41:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Kassa Daisho Edited by: Kassa Daisho on 23/09/2010 00:37:43 I have to support this completely as well. I've never threatened to ragequit before but CCP taking cash or a cash-equivalent to make a character better in-game is exactly what it will take for me to leave this game.
Dude you quadruple posted...
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Vince Pilot
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Posted - 2010.09.23 05:42:00 -
[627]
Don't allow the trading of Plex's for extra Neural Remaps!
I quit WOW because of that ****, and believe me, I am going to quit EVE because of it.
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Dhalon
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Posted - 2010.09.23 06:11:00 -
[628]
Edited by: Dhalon on 23/09/2010 06:13:13 I totally support this thread. This is a very bad idea. People start short-cutting buying skillpoints and there will be all kinds of BS going down with gate squatters and such. Takes the fun out of the game with an avenue like that. If this goes through, I quit, and many of my corpmates agree.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.23 08:34:00 -
[629]
Over a two year period, you will gain no significant advantage over someone who planned their training in advance. The advantage will only be in the short term, being able to get into a T2 cruiser a couple of weeks earler due to having more, shorter neural remaps. There is a possibility for getting some advantage in terms of Mem/Int to Per/Wil to Cha/Wil, but over the course of a two year period that will amount to a week or so.
The advantage is only in getting to fly a T2 ship sooner (or getting to use Elite Command Centres sooner). Players will not be building SP faster as a result of getting more frequent neural remaps.
If SP building rate is the issue, you should petition for the removal of attribute implants, learning skills, neural remaps, character transfers, GTC to ISK conversion and two spare character slots on an account.
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Myxx
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.09.23 08:53:00 -
[630]
wtf ccp. --
My opinion is my own and nothing but my own. Before putting words in my mouth, it might help to ask for clarification if you are confused. |
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Harsh Craver
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Posted - 2010.09.23 09:15:00 -
[631]
Edited by: Harsh Craver on 23/09/2010 09:15:52 Noooo CCP (But admittedly I also think the existing form of plex is terrible)
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CyberGh0st
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.23 09:29:00 -
[632]
Supported !
Just to make it clear, the current plex system is RMT between players, facilitated by CCP.
If one adds the option to directly use a Plex for ingame gain ( in whatever form ) then it becomes microtransactions with CCP.
Microtransactions mean extra costs for the players above and beyond the regular monthly fee.
So a big NO to microtransactions !
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
kaltenp
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Posted - 2010.09.23 10:17:00 -
[633]
no way wtf ccp
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Ineeh
Flying Blacksmiths
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:05:00 -
[634]
Agreed |
Yankunytjatjara
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:17:00 -
[635]
And don't forget the tactical overview option for solo/small gangs: Ship Velocity Vectors |
Zebullon
Pulsar Inc. Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:19:00 -
[636]
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zaharan
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:28:00 -
[637]
agree |
DrakVrel
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:35:00 -
[638]
Edited by: DrakVrel on 23/09/2010 11:35:42 No Way.
Drakvrel
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cocotueur
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:36:00 -
[639]
agree
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Moebbius
COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:41:00 -
[640]
Agreed
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Sessym
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:50:00 -
[641]
SP is the real factor that keeps the pay-to-win away. CCP was known for rejecting that type of game, right? PLEX in itself is not a problem - it keeps a lot of people playing, building, selling, and blowing up things. Now it even can be destroyed. But it WILL be a special item since it means, if you buy it, you give real money for something that you CAN LOSE. In EVE, your loss is others' gain. You must be not in the right condition for computer games if you waste a neural remap you bought. So there's a big NO.
0= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'So grab your guns.' |
Lilith Nyx
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:52:00 -
[642]
CCP, stop supplying crack for your developers(or whoever is responsible for this terrible idea).
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Matt calvert
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.23 11:59:00 -
[643]
Agreed
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Wholan sulis
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:00:00 -
[644]
...don't do it!
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Leiture
Liliis tenaci vimine jungor
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:03:00 -
[645]
support.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:14:00 -
[646]
support ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Nachhut
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:43:00 -
[647]
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comparatrice deprix
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:50:00 -
[648]
support !!!
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.23 12:55:00 -
[649]
I want to clarify the reason why most people are against Plex for remaps, because most people who are for this don't understand or do not want to understand :
The ability to remap with plex adds a form of wealth to the game ( a service that gives you more flexibility in gameplay ), this opposed to the current plex for gametime system where the wealth in the game is only redistributed between the players.
So it is the current system of Limited Player RMT regulated by CCP versus the introduction of a Microtransaction system, where one buys ingame benefits directly from CCP.
I hope this helps and perhaps the OP should clarify this in his post
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Dark Snake666
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Posted - 2010.09.23 13:02:00 -
[650]
WTF When CCP meen that they must do it, then can CCP delet all my Accounts!
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Buck Marui
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:32:00 -
[651]
This is a bad idea.
Whats next?
Creating some kind of immaginative FPS on a soon to be obsolete platform and then trying to somehow, in some way merge it with EVE online to get a cross platform hybrid Sci-Fi, FPS simulator tethered to the destiny of EVE like a lead weight dragging us deep down, down, down into a dark well of obscurity and foreboding...
And hoping it doesn't lag.
... Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard! |
itra destuff
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:51:00 -
[652]
whats all the outrage about? its not really that much of a benefit, also you can do it by plex, which you can gain by a bit of moneymaking ingame (spending like 6 hours for being able to remap (if your slow))
besides remaps are allready available for free, it just allows you to do it more often (meaning you can make shorter skillplans)
seriously, whats your whine about?
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Alma Matter
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Posted - 2010.09.23 14:57:00 -
[653]
no microtransactions in eve! :)
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Nemesis Valore
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:04:00 -
[654]
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aGeNET
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:07:00 -
[655]
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Sl1c3M3N1c3
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:08:00 -
[656]
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San Pek
ICE is Coming to EVE Grenouilles Volantes
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:18:00 -
[657]
/Signed Cuir |
Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:24:00 -
[658]
Originally by: itra destuff whats all the outrage about? its not really that much of a benefit, also you can do it by plex, which you can gain by a bit of moneymaking ingame (spending like 6 hours for being able to remap (if your slow))
besides remaps are allready available for free, it just allows you to do it more often (meaning you can make shorter skillplans)
seriously, whats your whine about?
Read some of the posts where people spell it out for you.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:41:00 -
[659]
Edited by: X Gallentius on 23/09/2010 15:43:26 Edited by: X Gallentius on 23/09/2010 15:41:56 Reconsidering original position.
What they are trying to do:
Subscription(RL stuff), Neural Re-map <---- $/isk conversion ---> Stuff in Eve.
Since Neural re-map is part of the game mechanics, it should be
Subscription (RL) <----- $/isk conversion -----> Stuff in Eve including Neural Re-map.
Note: Exchange rate between $/isk set by free market (players)
Ideally they would put something in the LP store, a drop by rats, or something you could build that would allow you to do a nueral re-map to let Eve's free market work its magic.
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Tao Min
Tiger Research Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:53:00 -
[660]
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nkohr
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Posted - 2010.09.23 16:18:00 -
[661]
Eve will loose many good and old players if this come! Real world is **** enough, wenn evil rl-money influence the game, i will quit and delete my 2 accounts...
good night eve!
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SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.23 16:25:00 -
[662]
BAD CCP! BAD! You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Dan Kaneda
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.09.23 16:32:00 -
[663]
supported, of course.
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Kim7
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Posted - 2010.09.23 16:37:00 -
[664]
If CCP realy want to use this system i will stop playing eve cause it wount realy make sense to play on this game .... if they need to get more money i m ready to pay more per month but not to donate vor skills or something else
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Isramar
CR Astrodynamics Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.09.23 17:41:00 -
[665]
oO wtf?! DO NOT WANT! |
Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.09.23 17:56:00 -
[666]
To all those that say they will quit if/when this goes in TQ. No you won't. You'll ***** and moan though but you won't quit. You'll probably even buy a PLEX off the market for a remap that you may need.
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Varimatras deVolair
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.09.23 18:28:00 -
[667]
wtf ccp?
if you want to ruin the entire game-experience, by establishing f2p micropayment options, go ahead, starts with plex for remap and ends by "all you want just, give us your money and get a titan char in no time"... DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT!
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Lord Denise
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:05:00 -
[668]
i play eve for same chance as a other player but with this function is this not possible this is so bad
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Bergi88
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:33:00 -
[669]
no no noooo!!! dont do this ****, ccp!
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Rawiya Pepita
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:57:00 -
[670]
DO NOT WANT!
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Kyraziel Drakonis
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:35:00 -
[671]
I am feeling sorry to hear that CCP is about to destroy what i loved the most. That nobody can just overrun your already gained exp as easy as in browser games.
As long as i can think of EVE i like the special way of how EVE was/is. And now i feal like it is about to become the exactly opposite of what is special in the MMORPG-world.
For EVEs sake - leave it as it is and don't cut of the heart that pounds by the love of EVE players. If you do that don't wonder about several heart attacks.
Best wishes to EVE and it's future (please, become stronger).
In love, Kyraziel Drakonis :) |
Sarina Sorin
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:49:00 -
[672]
Damn, yeah and the we rename Eve to Runes of XXXX
NO WAY CCP !!!!!!!!
AGAINST THIS CRAP
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Jonathan G
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:49:00 -
[673]
/support.
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Civelis
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Posted - 2010.09.23 20:51:00 -
[674]
No!!!!!!
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Gisitos
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Posted - 2010.09.23 21:05:00 -
[675]
That is not nice.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.09.23 21:25:00 -
[676]
Supported.
No plex's for remaps.
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PeveS
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.23 21:29:00 -
[677]
Who wants my stuff if this happens?
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Silgor Agun
Strategic Solutions Ltd. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.23 22:16:00 -
[678]
For the proposal, which says NO to plex for xp. Bad idea and step in the very, very wrong direction.
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Grarr Dexx
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.09.23 22:40:00 -
[679]
My sub going against this.
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Rawbone
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Posted - 2010.09.23 22:49:00 -
[680]
This is what happens after prolonged exposure in the Redardium mines.
If they implement this, the stupidity could only be referred to as staggering.
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codenemisis
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Posted - 2010.09.23 23:11:00 -
[681]
Edited by: codenemisis on 23/09/2010 23:12:08 WTF CPP? :getout: |
Harris Dorn
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Posted - 2010.09.24 00:56:00 -
[682]
Way wrong move.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 01:45:00 -
[683]
Edited by: Ben Derindar on 24/09/2010 01:46:46 I don't see why not. There's no obligation for those who don't want to use it to ever do so, and for those who would, it means more $ for CCP.
EDIT: to all those worrying about RL money affecting the game, it does already anyway, whether you realise it or not.
/Ben
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Kendan L'raun
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Posted - 2010.09.24 01:59:00 -
[684]
Edited by: Kendan L''raun on 24/09/2010 02:00:31
Originally by: Ben Derindar Edited by: Ben Derindar on 24/09/2010 01:46:46 I don't see why not. There's no obligation for those who don't want to use it to ever do so, and for those who would, it means more $ for CCP.
EDIT: to all those worrying about RL money affecting the game, it does already anyway, whether you realise it or not.
/Ben
Agreed.
I've only recently started playing, but I know well over a dozen players now with 4 or more alts to generate their isk and help their "main" fly efficiently. If that's not RL money (plex are paid for by newbs like me, so **** you if you think that's not money being spent) changing the game, then I don't know what is.
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Zevran Arainai
Free Space Tech Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.24 02:50:00 -
[685]
Edited by: Zevran Arainai on 24/09/2010 02:50:24 Microtransactions in eve is terrible idea.
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2010.09.24 04:48:00 -
[686]
Bad idea.
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Antania Nox
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Posted - 2010.09.24 05:08:00 -
[687]
**** microtransactions! WTF CCP?!!
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.24 05:15:00 -
[688]
Edited by: Rip Minner on 24/09/2010 05:16:43
Originally by: Ben Derindar Edited by: Ben Derindar on 24/09/2010 01:46:46 I don't see why not. There's no obligation for those who don't want to use it to ever do so, and for those who would, it means more $ for CCP.
EDIT: to all those worrying about RL money affecting the game, it does already anyway, whether you realise it or not.
/Ben
Quoted for truth. I dont know any long term players that have not ether payed cash for plex to sale for isk or spent isk to buy plex in game for one or more accounts or for one or more months already. A remap here or there would be nice. I will be one of the ones that buys ingame plex for isk though.
The only real down side of this is thta it will probly drive plex prices up for a spell.
Edit: As a side note and trader there are worse things to lose your isk in. At least with plex I ether make good isk or I have free mons of play time on hand
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Mackenzie Hawkwood
Don't Run Naked
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Posted - 2010.09.24 06:00:00 -
[689]
supported, No boom today... boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.24 06:53:00 -
[690]
Going with the common response.
WTF CCP!?
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Cyirak
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Posted - 2010.09.24 07:04:00 -
[691]
Looking like CCP is now after cash and lost their way to improving the gameplay and content.
Terrible idea, in respect of gameplay. Great idea to make a quick buck.
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Alphonze Tleilaxu
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Posted - 2010.09.24 07:05:00 -
[692]
Supported. Stupid idea CCP.
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:04:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Mr LaForge To all those that say they will quit if/when this goes in TQ. No you won't. You'll ***** and moan though but you won't quit. You'll probably even buy a PLEX off the market for a remap that you may need.
The last two years in EVE have been kinda 'meh' for me. A lot of broken promises and a lot of broken features. The Dominion expansion probably was the worst. I was looking forward to everything it promised about sov changes and it opening the door for more people to get into 0.0 without having to become part of power blocks or renting and such. It in fact did nothing like that, actually the opposite happened. So for you to say no one will quit is a foolish statement.
This whole PLEX thing, first the introduction of PLEX to help curb the issue with the illegal buying of ISK with real money. I thought it was a good idea, but it should have stopped there. Then they introduced the ability for PLEX to be able to be moved around. The sole reason for this, and this alone, was so PLEX could be blown up. Why? So it would be free money for CCP. Thats it. The only reason. Soon you will be able to use PLEX to get free attribute remaps.
The reason someone does a remap is so they train faster. What next? Use PLEX to buy faction gear?
There are several critical reasons why I came to EVE:
1. One server, no chasing the population around. 2. When I blow **** up, I can take it. Or they can, but you get the idea. A players ship exploding has meaning. 3. You can do anything. None of this class stuff where you are only allowed to use/fly certain things. 4. Aside from the monthly subscription fee, real money would not give a player an advantage over other players. The game is a cold, dark and unforgiving place. That is nice, but this aspect has always been the even playing field. It is where no matter who you are, no matter what you do, no matter where you are in the world. Here, is where we all are equal.
This reply is far longer than I had anticipated, but those four critical things is what brought me to the game. Those four things is what has kept playing this game for over 5 years at probably 30+ hours a week. I promise you this. If this happens, then number four will no longer apply to this game.
Now you can sit there and argue that there is no better MMO out there like EVE so I wont leave till your blue in the face. Even if this is true, it does not mean I have to subscribe. You can also argue that there is no way to keep real life money from affecting the game, but that is no reason to throw in the towel and have the attitude, "Well, if I can't prevent world hunger, there is no reason to try."
TL;DR: This goes live, I promise you I will quit the game. So lick my nuts Mr LaAlt. No you can't have my stuff.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:55:00 -
[694]
Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 24/09/2010 08:56:25
Originally by: Marconus Orion 4. Aside from the monthly subscription fee, real money would not give a player an advantage over other players. The game is a cold, dark and unforgiving place. That is nice, but this aspect has always been the even playing field. It is where no matter who you are, no matter what you do, no matter where you are in the world. Here, is where we all are equal.
Really? Because I'm pretty sure I could buy a trillion ISK and a half-dozen 50m-100m SP pilots off the bazaar if I were willing to spend enough money... probably not all at once, mind you.
True, most people don't have $60,000 to spend on a game about Internet spaceships, but some do. And it doesn't have to be to that extent.
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wortax
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:56:00 -
[695]
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Dasola
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Posted - 2010.09.24 09:39:00 -
[696]
No remaps for plex please.
Having remap once a year is huge advantage allready over the previous system where you had to custom tailor you toon from beginning to specific courier.
You allready can go and buy highskilled toons from bazaar if you got the isk, so we dont really need plex for remaps anyways.
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GoonDragoon
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Posted - 2010.09.24 11:39:00 -
[697]
Supported
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.09.24 12:12:00 -
[698]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 24/09/2010 12:12:50 There is a thin red line and its drawn exactly here.
No.
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sinuswave
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Posted - 2010.09.24 14:06:00 -
[699]
WTF CCP!
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TheUnforgiving
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Posted - 2010.09.24 14:48:00 -
[700]
Edited by: TheUnforgiving on 24/09/2010 14:50:46 WTF CCP!
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Chyrasor
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Posted - 2010.09.24 15:30:00 -
[701]
No remaps for Plex!
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Guilda Ruoxis
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Posted - 2010.09.24 15:51:00 -
[702]
Money Can't Fix Stupid.
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Ketusan
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Posted - 2010.09.24 15:52:00 -
[703]
No way.
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159Pinky
Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.09.24 15:59:00 -
[704]
No, this = end of eve
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Rixiu
The Forgotten Navy
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Posted - 2010.09.24 16:14:00 -
[705]
It's a sad day for eves sandbox if this heappens.
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KizmiaZ
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.24 18:43:00 -
[706]
WTF CCP??
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Boris Borison
S0NS 0F ANARCHY
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Posted - 2010.09.24 23:29:00 -
[707]
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Darth Allegra
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.24 23:35:00 -
[708]
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.09.25 01:25:00 -
[709]
I'd like to use this feature.
However everytime I did I'd feel I was cheating and breaking the game by paying cash for skillpoints.
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Shandir
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.09.25 02:12:00 -
[710]
Edited by: Shandir on 25/09/2010 02:12:20 Strongly against this feature. If CCP feels remaps need to be more frequent, then do so, do not attach it to PLEX. On the other hand, if there was a "PLEX for my favourite bug/feature/peeve getting development time" program...
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Troublexo
Behemoth Shipyards Van Terra Systems
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Posted - 2010.09.25 05:08:00 -
[711]
WTF CCP?
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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.09.25 07:02:00 -
[712]
:ccp: |
Fail Fit
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Posted - 2010.09.25 07:19:00 -
[713]
I'm not afraid to say it but, money has never been a problem with me. People use money to gain an advantage in real life all the time. There is no reason it should be any different in a game. I am looking forward to training faster no mater what skill I pick.
Hate me if you want but just because you were lazy in life should not bring me down to you level in a game. if you think that this gives rich people an advantage then I have this to say:
GET A REAL JOB THEN LOSERS!
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2010.09.25 10:57:00 -
[714]
Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 25/09/2010 11:02:29 PLEX for 100% training speed bonus please!
Originally by: Fail Fit I'm not afraid to say it but, money has never been a problem with me. People use money to gain an advantage in real life all the time. There is no reason it should be any different in a game. I am looking forward to training faster no mater what skill I pick.
Hate me if you want but just because you were lazy in life should not bring me down to you level in a game. if you think that this gives rich people an advantage then I have this to say: GET A REAL JOB THEN LOSERS!
BTW I don't want to compete with you by money for a game, loser. Because real life losers always spend alots of money in game to gain the confidence they can't get from real life.
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Van Diesell
Great Sage Equaling Heaven Blade.
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:17:00 -
[715]
I dont like anything exchange with 30d plex
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:25:00 -
[716]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 25/09/2010 11:26:24 Not supported.
I can see why some people might want to oppose this idea as a point of principle, but this is only a very small step towards a micro-transaction enviroment and has very little direct effect on gameplay. Compared to the other advantages already on offer to people who want to trade $ for isk via plex, this is very minor. The only people at a (very slight) disadvantage here are those who can't spare enough isk or $ for extra plex, and who don't have 1 year skill plans.
In fact, I would quite like to see the use of plex extended to cover more account services - character transfer, portrait swap - not to mention pizza.
--- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:28:00 -
[717]
Anyone feells happy how CCP is shooting it-self in the foot , for a short term gains ?
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:29:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Kogh Ayon Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 25/09/2010 11:02:29 PLEX for 100% training speed bonus please!
Originally by: Fail Fit I'm not afraid to say it but, money has never been a problem with me. People use money to gain an advantage in real life all the time. There is no reason it should be any different in a game. I am looking forward to training faster no mater what skill I pick.
Hate me if you want but just because you were lazy in life should not bring me down to you level in a game. if you think that this gives rich people an advantage then I have this to say: GET A REAL JOB THEN LOSERS!
BTW I don't want to compete with you by money for a game, loser. Because real life losers always spend alots of money in game to gain the confidence they can't get from real life.
I support this man !
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Yvette Online
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Posted - 2010.09.25 15:19:00 -
[719]
WTF CCP?!
Stop trying to slip things like this past the players, ffs.
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FW Mars
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Posted - 2010.09.25 15:41:00 -
[720]
I don't want allow PLEX'S for extra Neural Remaps.
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Elizabeth Q
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:20:00 -
[721]
Edited by: Elizabeth Q on 25/09/2010 16:22:48 No to remap for plex instantly! But support remap for free by every six months!!!
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Buxter
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:32:00 -
[722]
RMT
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.09.25 21:08:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Boltorano CCP is starting to slide down the slippery slope with this potential move.
I'd have to agree there, unfortunately. It's definitely a move in the wrong direction in an attempt to create more revenue from the game.
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Reed Tiburon
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.09.25 23:40:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Inggroth Edited by: Inggroth on 21/09/2010 18:16:34 WTF CCP?
The cool thing about PLEX being an ingame item was - you could ONLY turn it in for 30days gametime.
Thats why the majority of players didnt have a problem with the hypothetical scenario of some rich noob purchasing a ton of PLEX and getting shinies/veteran chars etc. Because he would pay for gametime of others (who would use the PLEX to extend their subscription).
Thats why PLEX was a brilliant idea as a measure to stomp RMT, while not going cash-shop.
Now you're about to change that and be no better than some f2p/cash-shop/pay2win grinder.
Exactly.
Before this change: Player buys PLEX from CCP, player trades PLEX for isk to buy shinies / character / whatever. Ultimately, someone uses the PLEX for gametime. End result: CCP has to offer 1 month of game time, no matter who gets the PLEX in the end.
After this change: Player buys PLEX from CCP, uses it for a remap. End result: CCP does not have to offer 1 month of game time. Economy now has an endless PLEX sink. Broken economy.
WTF CCP?
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ZXXCsunset
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Posted - 2010.09.26 00:54:00 -
[725]
Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on lol
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Ametos
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Posted - 2010.09.26 03:24:00 -
[726]
Epic Fail CCP!
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2010.09.26 03:42:00 -
[727]
I really hope this doesn't make it to TQ. Supported.
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Khan Amaran
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Posted - 2010.09.26 04:02:00 -
[728]
/signed
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Clausius Weger
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Posted - 2010.09.26 04:03:00 -
[729]
/signed
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Andan Kumi
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Posted - 2010.09.26 04:06:00 -
[730]
/signed !!!
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.26 04:08:00 -
[731]
Originally by: T'Amber
Proposal:
- Don't allow the trading of Plex's for extra Neural Remaps
Pros:
- There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
Like t2 BPOs, the fact most of us have many alts, and the general reality of a static buildup of skillpoints over time? That argument is not being backed up by logic. Players with money have benefits over others already if they want it. This is nothing new.
Originally by: T'Amber
Cons:
- Real Money Trading happens regardless
- People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already
- CCP has more plex to sell
- People can buy characters with isk
- This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness
You listed enough reasons right there, but if you need more just visit highsec some time and check out the baddies farming up PLEX money with L4s. They're the poor tools buying PLEX so your anom farmers can play for free. So please, cry more about the advantages that these players are going to get by PLEXing an extra remap now and then. If you eventually pass out from dehydration, you might come to your bloody senses and realise this is the most childish and stupid thig the CSM has bothered to (not?)support.
TLDR: Business as usual, htfu, and get off your high horse. Just because it makes you cry to think PLEX might get more expensive for your 12 accounts doesn't mean this is a terrible and ilconcieved idea.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.09.26 04:40:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Irae Ragwan
Originally by: T'Amber
Proposal:
- Don't allow the trading of Plex's for extra Neural Remaps
Pros:
- There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others
Like t2 BPOs, the fact most of us have many alts, and the general reality of a static buildup of skillpoints over time? That argument is not being backed up by logic. Players with money have benefits over others already if they want it. This is nothing new.
Originally by: T'Amber
Cons:
- Real Money Trading happens regardless
- People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already
- CCP has more plex to sell
- People can buy characters with isk
- This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness
You listed enough reasons right there, but if you need more just visit highsec some time and check out the baddies farming up PLEX money with L4s. They're the poor tools buying PLEX so your anom farmers can play for free. So please, cry more about the advantages that these players are going to get by PLEXing an extra remap now and then. If you eventually pass out from dehydration, you might come to your bloody senses and realise this is the most childish and stupid thig the CSM has bothered to (not?)support.
TLDR: Business as usual, htfu, and get off your high horse. Just because it makes you cry to think PLEX might get more expensive for your 12 accounts doesn't mean this is a terrible and ilconcieved idea.
This.
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Notorious viper
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:01:00 -
[733]
Edited by: Notorious viper on 26/09/2010 05:03:03 use plex in this way is not a good idea
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente League of Gentlemen Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.26 05:50:00 -
[734]
not supported.
I enjoy the idea of being able to remap again by spending 300-400m on a plex and going "yay fixed that ******ed int/mem thing" and not being stuck for a goddamn year.
DesuSigs |
Sylvaner Trojan
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:31:00 -
[735]
WTF CCP?
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olzi
NPC Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:08:00 -
[736]
Buying improvements to your character with money.. no thanks.
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miss elena
Minmatar Thunder Mercenary Army
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:40:00 -
[737]
DO NOT WANT
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.26 08:58:00 -
[738]
I don't mind it.
It is interesting to see that only OLD players whine about that.
Looks like they are fighting tooth and nail to not give newcommers any advantage.
Especially since this "advantage" is really nonsense. Just set up a long enough skillplan.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.26 09:31:00 -
[739]
Just so you people in CCP know what you loose if you go ahead with this bull****.
I have 7 accounts, all payed with cold hard cash. Do this plex change and im cancelling 6 of them. and that 7¦th can run highlevel missions to buy plex with isk so you will not get money from that either.
Thats 7*15Ç = 105Ç/month you loose right there. Reason i poay cold hard cash is im too lazy to learn how really generate massive amounts of isk in this game.
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Athena Reliasus
Triangular Initiative
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Posted - 2010.09.26 09:40:00 -
[740]
CCP fanboy posting to say this is a baaaaad idea
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.09.26 09:42:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Gnulpie I don't mind it.
It is interesting to see that only OLD players whine about that.
Looks like they are fighting tooth and nail to not give newcommers any advantage.
Especially since this "advantage" is really nonsense. Just set up a long enough skillplan.
So, no, I don't support this at all!
While I'm not sure if this is true and I'd like to see your source of this information, (I've not gone through the ages of every character that have posted) this would be interesting and also something to take into consideration.
Although I don't agree that there is no advantage to be gained from this feature, it has in some of these posts been stretched way out of proportion to what advantage it would actually give.
-T'amber
[SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
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starfire angel
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:09:00 -
[742]
WTF CCP?!?!?
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.26 10:45:00 -
[743]
"Oh no, not again..."
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vekol
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:02:00 -
[744]
Originally by: T'Amber
Although I don't agree that there is no advantage to be gained from this feature, it has in some of these posts been stretched way out of proportion to what advantage it would actually give.
So no advantage from free remaps means it's ok to sell them for PLEX. Next time they will introduce a way to buy sp for PLEX/isk - the interface is already implemented (remember the last expansion and the free sp?). It always starts with small things.
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Xlose
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:30:00 -
[745]
/signed
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Aineko Stryer
Aineko Accelerando Labs
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:53:00 -
[746]
more remps - okay
more stuff to buy with RL money - not okay
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Nova Lin
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:03:00 -
[747]
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:38:00 -
[748]
Originally by: T'Amber
Originally by: Gnulpie I don't mind it.
It is interesting to see that only OLD players whine about that.
Looks like they are fighting tooth and nail to not give newcommers any advantage.
Especially since this "advantage" is really nonsense. Just set up a long enough skillplan.
So, no, I don't support this at all!
While I'm not sure if this is true and I'd like to see your source of this information, (I've not gone through the ages of every character that have posted) this would be interesting and also something to take into consideration.
Although I don't agree that there is no advantage to be gained from this feature, it has in some of these posts been stretched way out of proportion to what advantage it would actually give.
-T'amber
You don't actually know how marginal of an advantage it will be (and it's avalible to anyone, obviously)... and yet you decided to make this thread?
So, I take it you're aware this is an idiotic knee-jerk cry post with no merit?
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el Sabor
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:31:00 -
[749]
Doesn't bother me since I get the same advantage by planning my training long term.
However where it may lead in the future does bother me.
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Ephari
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Posted - 2010.09.26 20:54:00 -
[750]
Plain and simple.. No
that is one step in the wrong direction
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 21:06:00 -
[751]
I am for using plexes to buy neural remaps. Hell im for using plexes to buy sp.
You can already do the latter- by selling the plexes for isk and using the isk to buy a character.
So whats the big deal?
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Divus Diavolo
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Posted - 2010.09.26 23:14:00 -
[752]
/vote against plex4remap! |
Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 00:42:00 -
[753]
Originally by: el Sabor Doesn't bother me since I get the same advantage by planning my training long term.
WRONG!
At max learning skills, you have a total of 96.8 with an average of 19.36 per attribute.
If someone who remaps to get max learning on each skill they will train as if they have 121 total skill points with an average of 24.2 per attribute.
They will train faster than you. So it essentally means real life money = faster skill training.
But with CCP keeping quite and they fully programed the feature already, there is no stopping this PLEX to train faster feature. Oh well.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:25:00 -
[754]
Edited by: Nullity on 27/09/2010 07:25:28
Originally by: Future Mutant I am for using plexes to buy neural remaps. Hell im for using plexes to buy sp.
You can already do the latter- by selling the plexes for isk and using the isk to buy a character.
So whats the big deal?
The big deal is that under the current system, nothing is generated when you sell PLEXes. All the rewards (i.e. ISK) you receive for trading a PLEX to someone were brought into the game through proper channels, and then given to you. If PLEXes could be directly traded for a remap, that would essentially generate a reward in-game for real life money.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:59:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Marconus Orion WRONG!
At max learning skills, you have a total of 96.8 with an average of 19.36 per attribute.
If someone who remaps to get max learning on each skill they will train as if they have 121 total skill points with an average of 24.2 per attribute.
Wrong.
You can put a maximum of 15 points into any attribute for a remap. Regardless of how often you remap, you can only put 15 points into any attribute. If you do put 15 points into one attribute, you'll only have enough points left to put 9 into a second attribute.
Creative shuffling of neural remaps will allow someone to plot an optimum training plan to fly a battleship a week earlier, with the skill training plan over 2 years evening out with someone who stayed the patient course training all the Int/Mem skills in one block, then remapped to Per/Wil. For each different optimal plan, add another year for the break even: if you want to do a Cha/Wil for leadership and trade skills, add an extra year to the one-per-year remapping plan, and you'll break even. The person who buys neural remaps is not buying SP faster than you, they're just buying access to skills (and thus equipment or activities) earlier in their training plan than someone who isn't purchasing extra remaps.
The extra points added by implants and learning skills are irrelevant to the discussion of neural remaps.
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Rhok Relztem
Caldari CGMA Synergist Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:25:00 -
[756]
I think this proposal is blowing this way out of proportion. I don't see any valid reason to be against plex for neural remapping except that it could open the door to a cash shop which I would most definitely be against. Besides that, this proposal has no merit imo.
NOT supported.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.09.27 10:35:00 -
[757]
Two thumbs up. Stop CCP now from even getting near the slippery slope.
Besides that, putting it on Sisi then not commenting on it anywhere is like trolling the players: like it's deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Trolls of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:04:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Mara Rinn Wrong.
You can put a maximum of 15 points into any attribute for a remap. Regardless of how often you remap, you can only put 15 points into any attribute. If you do put 15 points into one attribute, you'll only have enough points left to put 9 into a second attribute.
Correct.
Originally by: Mara Rinn Creative shuffling of neural remaps will allow someone to plot an optimum training plan to fly a battleship a week earlier, with the skill training plan over 2 years evening out with someone who stayed the patient course training all the Int/Mem skills in one block, then remapped to Per/Wil. For each different optimal plan, add another year for the break even: if you want to do a Cha/Wil for leadership and trade skills, add an extra year to the one-per-year remapping plan, and you'll break even. The person who buys neural remaps is not buying SP faster than you, they're just buying access to skills (and thus equipment or activities) earlier in their training plan than someone who isn't purchasing extra remaps.
You contradict yourself. You truly do not have a grasp on how this works. You honestly think some who can remap a often as they want will not complete a year or two year skill plan faster than someone who can only remap once a year? You entire argument is hinging on a skill plan that uses the same two attributes the whole year. No one does that.
Originally by: Mara Rinn The extra points added by implants and learning skills are irrelevant to the discussion of neural remaps.
I would not say that because both amplified the difference between someone who remap once a year and someone with unlimited remap.
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TK420
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:50:00 -
[759]
Don't go down this road CCP. You're one of the few companies that has the integrity to stand by your playerbase and not screw them. Go down this road and you'll be just like every other MMO company out there, and you definately will not get any more of my money.
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Rognin
The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:59:00 -
[760]
WTF CCP!
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Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:18:00 -
[761]
Not Supported.
Added functionality of PLEX wouldn't be anything but good. Read my discussion in the linked thread. _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;) |
Bela'flek
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:19:00 -
[762]
Signed.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:43:00 -
[763]
Originally by: Rhok Relztem I think this proposal is blowing this way out of proportion. I don't see any valid reason to be against plex for neural remapping except that it could open the door to a cash shop which I would most definitely be against. Besides that, this proposal has no merit imo.
NOT supported.
Another sane human being... IN MY EVE?
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Rodrigo Talavera
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.27 21:42:00 -
[764]
WTF CCP! |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.28 03:04:00 -
[765]
Originally by: Marconus Orion You contradict yourself. You truly do not have a grasp on how this works. You honestly think some who can remap a often as they want will not complete a year or two year skill plan faster than someone who can only remap once a year? You entire argument is hinging on a skill plan that uses the same two attributes the whole year. No one does that.
At present we have no option but to use the same remap for 12 months. If you plan carefully, you can prepare a more-than-a-year plan involving just your Int/Mem skills (Electronics, Engineering, Science for starters) and a more-than-a-year plan involving just your Per/Wil skills (Spaceship Command, T2 ships, weapons).
Just because you aren't using a 15+9 remap for one specific set of skills for 12 months doesn't mean noone is doing it. You are a sample size of 1, in a population of over 300k.
Quote:
Originally by: Mara Rinn The extra points added by implants and learning skills are irrelevant to the discussion of neural remaps.
I would not say that because both amplified the difference between someone who remap once a year and someone with unlimited remap.
The addition of learning skills and implants diminishes the impact of a neural remap on SP/hr. The people who will lose the most when comparing one remap per year versus remaps on demand are those people who refuse to train learning skills or use implants. A remap in this instance can add 200% to the SP/hr acquisition. Once you add learning skills and implants the difference in SP/hr acquisition is reduced to ~50%.
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Jurinak
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:17:00 -
[766]
don¦t introduce this f... microtransactions in eve! I stopped playing every mmo who do this and try to extract some extra bucks from me, the end.. they got nothing from me
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Wikis
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Posted - 2010.09.28 08:48:00 -
[767]
+1
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.09.28 11:00:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Mara Rinn I'm not contradicting myself. Over a 2 year period, the person sticking to 1 remap to switch from Int/Mem to Per/Wil will achieve the same training goals as the person switching infinitely many times between Int/Mem and Per/Wil remaps.
Ok buddy. You do your full year of nothing but training skills with the same primary and secondary attribute only. I salute you for such dedication on never deciding to train anything else during that full year.
"Hey guys. My engineering skills are 1337!!!!!"
"Nice. What ships can you fly?"
"Well... um... I can fly any Gallente t1 frigate and shuttles."
"Umm.... GTFO!"
Anyways... you have fun with that.
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Cromo Effect
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.09.28 15:15:00 -
[769]
NEURAL REMAPS VIA PLEX HAS LITTLE TO NO AFFECT SO THIS PROPOSAL IS SIMPLE A WASTE OF TIME. T'AMBER HAS EXAGGERATED THE EFFECT AND THUS CAUSED EVERYONE TO BLINDLY GIVE THUMBS UP. I SUGGEST YOU ALL DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE FOLLOWING SOME LOUD MOUTH CSM MEMBER. SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ALL THE DETAILS, YET IS RAGING ABOUT IT.
NOT SUPPORTED!
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Zevran Arainai
Free Space Tech Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:14:00 -
[770]
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MisterArx
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:02:00 -
[771]
Edited by: MisterArx on 28/09/2010 20:04:16 DO NOT WANT!
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Lukior Corvax
Osiris Entreprises
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:07:00 -
[772]
Looking like a large mass of fail ahead.
Do not want.
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Gauss Gun
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Posted - 2010.09.29 00:12:00 -
[773]
+1
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Myrkala
Interstellar Empire Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.29 10:31:00 -
[774]
I support this thread. -
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Minmatar? More like Winmatar.
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NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 10:51:00 -
[775]
No PLEX for remap please :< Bad idea. Very very bad idea. PLEX should only be a tool to add subscription time, nothing else! ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
lovely song
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Posted - 2010.09.29 20:05:00 -
[776]
+1
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MataHarry
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.09.29 20:06:00 -
[777]
+1
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.09.30 10:23:00 -
[778]
Originally by: Rhok Relztem I think this proposal is blowing this way out of proportion. I don't see any valid reason to be against plex for neural remapping except that it could open the door to a cash shop which I would most definitely be against. Besides that, this proposal has no merit imo.
NOT supported.
This is exactly my and many others concern.
Like some other poster said :
"This is microtransactions, opening Pandora's Box tbh"
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
SuiZida
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:12:00 -
[779]
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Roland Deschaines
NON PROPERO
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:37:00 -
[780]
There are a few main things I've heard from the WTF CCP THIS IS BS side of the story, and I'll answer each of them here.
1. It's an unfair advantage to players with RL money. Ever since PLEX, players with RL money can buy ISK, and ISK has always been an advantage in EvE. Implants, expensive ships / mods, you name it. Moreover, this is hardly an advantage. If anything, it can compensate for your lack of planning / common sense (ie you didn't optimize your training and train skills that require one attribute for one year, then skills that require another for the next year).
2. It's a slippery slope. The slippery slope argument is a fallacy. You can't not want something on the basis that it might later lead to something else you don't want. You would be right if you could prove that accepting this will have as a direct, unstoppable consequence the introduction of PLEX for SP. But you can't. There's nothing to show that it won't just be PLEX for remap and nothing else.
3. Microtransactions.
Originally by: CyberGh0st The ability to remap with plex adds a form of wealth to the game ( a service that gives you more flexibility in gameplay ), this opposed to the current plex for gametime system where the wealth in the game is only redistributed between the players.
This is true. Up to now, for every 15 dollars that CCP received, someone would get a month of gameplay, whereas with this, they will receive 15 dollars without giving a month of gameplay to someone in return. In that sense it is a "micropayment". That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. You can't just brandish the word MICROPAYMENT as some Evil That Will Ruin EvEÖ. There's nothing wrong with CCP selling other services than gametime, and they already do it. Character transfers, portrait changes, corp logo changes. But more importantly: alt accounts.
Selling an alt account is not selling gametime. You're not getting an extra month by buying an alt account, you're buying the ability to train double the skills during a month of gametime you already have. And there is virtually no difference b/e having perfect manufacturing AND sniper HAC skills on one char and having them on two different chars, except that having them on two different chars lets you move them / use them independently and simultaneously, which is handy. In that sense, there already is something much much closer to PLEX for SP, and nobody seems to be too angry about it.
If there's anything I've missed, please tell me. The importance of this, however, is nothing compared to the necessity of having an indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. -- Monsieur Rolly |
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Bloopybloopy
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:52:00 -
[781]
Thread supported
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:30:00 -
[782]
Oh dear lord....
No.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:00:00 -
[783]
Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 30/09/2010 22:01:24 Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 30/09/2010 22:00:45 Its not nearly the huge philosophical threshold being crossed that people are making it
àà$ is already huge alternative in gaining game advantage in far greater ways.
àà the advantage does not shatter existing character creation methodsàan extra 10% or so in speed keeps character creation 90% the same à hardly enough to change strategy drastically. (Explanations below)
àà the new advantage offered is also available through game play by earning isk àas opposed to requiring real money like a portrait change or the $20 fee youÆd pay to transfer a character.
Pretty much already PLEX = Advantage .
Game PLAY -> Plex
or
rl $ -> PLEX
I like to earn isk. Trading is FUNà for me à. IÆll be at over 100 billion isk 18 months in despite having used isk to pay for my à I might even pay to play the game just to trade. I wouldnÆt pay real money for more than 1 accountà thoughàrather spend the money on my kids than be that self indulgent.
Extra GAME PLAY != rl $ for me because I wouldnÆt make the choice to pay extra $ for extra accounts .
All of the advantages that can come from using $ can also come from playing longer.
IF the CCP proposal were to only allow $ to get the remap advantage ONLY people people paying extra would get that advantage and, IÆd have some problem with thatà at least it would be a change.
Our PLAYER abilities within the game are the SUM of all my characters on all my accounts.
Having a Cloakie Alt running dual boxed on the other side of the gate is a huge advantage . Being able to use a 2 million sp character Simalaltaneus ly is worth far more than an extra 2 million sp on a 25 million character.
Having Trader/Cloaky/Cyno alt in almost each region makes me a lot more isk , can be very efficient time wise, and has large pvp advantages as well.
Sure, sometimes there is an advantage to having more skills: on one character 12 4 million sp characters donÆt add up to a Nyx pilot , but lets face it there tooà most super-cap pilots are peoples ôaltsö either groomed by spending an extra 15$ a month or bought with ISK earned in the game . (Or groomed with plex earned in game or bought with real $ converted to ISK)
What types of ships you have in your hanger is a major game dynamic. Flying more expensive ships can be an advantageà.often paid for as it is with $ by pvpers . Essentially that also means a game option to pay RL $ to avoid a part of the game that some find less fun.
So, the long and short of it is. à using ISK to buy remaps (PLEX = 350 million ISK) really only changes one thing, it provides a very limited situational alternative to the character bazaar if a specific abilty is wanted in 10 to 30% less time training, depedning on how wrong they were specced at the start.
I agree that It slightly alters a ôRole Playö type of issue. I get the point about characters have Historiesàand have taken real time and human efforts to groom .. . but the change is only slight there: Many characters for sale are already factory bred never having left hanger until they reach hulk, or 5-5 learning, or Cap-ship ablities and have no real history. IÆd also really dislike ôinstant charactersö for all the reasons people listed earlier in this threadnaught à.
BUT Characters would still take time to groom, but a training plan could go about 20% quicker MAXIMUM à but in all reality, if any player had been making even the most basic use of the existing remap mechanisms, the advantage would probably be less than 10%. ThatÆs hardly shattering the existing role play character development pattern.
From a role play perpsective, giving people a bit of and edge to hold on to a character that they blew a remap on rather than trading/buying a different one to get to a ship sooner is probably has some positives tooà ideally from a RP perspective the person behind the chracter stays the sam
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.09.30 22:43:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: el Sabor Doesn't bother me since I get the same advantage by planning my training long term.
WRONG!
At max learning skills, you have a total of 96.8 with an average of 19.36 per attribute.
If someone who remaps to get max learning on each skill they will train as if they have 121 total skill points with an average of 24.2 per attribute.
They will train faster than you. So it essentally means real life money = faster skill training.
But with CCP keeping quite and they fully programed the feature already, there is no stopping this PLEX to train faster feature. Oh well.
In your absolutely worst case scenarioà.with no implants and no changes ever in base attributes and perfect changes by the person paying for remaps à the person paying more would train the same stuff in 80% of the time it took Mr. No Change..
Howeverà. IÆve tried it on EveMon à. Set up any logical training cue for over a yearà.and youÆll find that by optimizing attributes once at the very beginning and never changing the attributes again, you will save 10% . Choose 5 years worth of skills even and find an optimum at the beginning. The skill attributes applied are not evenly distributed Perception and Intelligence are far overrepresented as primary attributes.
With one initial change to Mr. Half-A-Clue the difference goes from 24.2/19.36 to more like 24.2/21.29à Mr. Moneybags is training at 88% only saving 12 days/ 100 now. Butàis money bags really going to be on the ball enough to remap more than once a weekàany time thereÆs a minor change between a prerequisite and following skill ? I gotta think heÆd slip up a bit only from laziness even if cost was no object. Say out of the 1.9 percent delta he got it 90% perfect. That would knock off basically the .2 from 24.2 but still be highly ambitious. With those changes to 21.29/24 its only looking 11 days out of 100.
But, thereÆs still more to the story. Implants. Lets just assume a low common denominator of Basic +3 implants. We go to 24.29/27 . Basically 90% 10 days per 100 saved by Mr Moneybags over Mr. Half a Clue.
If Mr. Half-A-Clue had closer to a full clue and used his first couple remaps to his advantage he could definitely save 3 extra days out of those 10 per 100 . Mr Money bags would have something like a 7% advantage over Mr. Has-A-Clueà hardly a game breaker in a game where people with 8 months of play (or even a few months as a scout or something) play along side people with 3 years of training/play.
I really doubt that Mr Money Bags would be smart enough to pull it off, and if Mr. Has-A-Clue sold some overpriced stuff to Mr. Moneybags, heÆd have enough to buy a extra remap every 6 months and probably cut Mr Money Bags actually achieved advantage to a couple days per 100.
Mr. Money Bags might use his money in the game for a big advantage, but the really big advantages would come from multiple accounts, Fancy ships bought with $>PLEX>Isk and Character purchases. HeÆs not going to get far ahead of someone smart with a couple weeks a year extra training.
While thatÆs certainly an advantage its hardly an unworkable advantage à.differences in spÆs are hardly game breaking or it would be impossible for people whoÆd played 7 months to play along side people playing for years.
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Berendas
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.01 01:36:00 -
[785]
Edited by: Berendas on 01/10/2010 01:36:53 CCP, by doing this you will be taking the first step down a path that has ruined many good games. So far you have created, maintained, and improved the most in-depth and sandbox oriented MMO in the world. PLEASE do not ruin it with a move like this.
Edit for gammar.
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Jaari Val'Dara
Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 08:57:00 -
[786]
Supported, unless there would be some reasonable limit, like once a year it would only make rich players always train at maximum speed.
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Lost Lemo
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Posted - 2010.10.01 09:15:00 -
[787]
WTF CCP ~~~!
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TigerXtrm
Iron-Sky DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.10.01 11:15:00 -
[788]
WTF CCP!!
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Erik Legant
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:52:00 -
[789]
signed |
amethyste maury
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Posted - 2010.10.01 12:54:00 -
[790]
WTF CCP ?? |
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.03 12:35:00 -
[791]
Originally by: Roland Deschaines
3. Microtransactions.
Originally by: CyberGh0st The ability to remap with plex adds a form of wealth to the game ( a service that gives you more flexibility in gameplay ), this opposed to the current plex for gametime system where the wealth in the game is only redistributed between the players.
This is true. Up to now, for every 15 dollars that CCP received, someone would get a month of gameplay, whereas with this, they will receive 15 dollars without giving a month of gameplay to someone in return. In that sense it is a "micropayment". That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. You can't just brandish the word MICROPAYMENT as some Evil That Will Ruin EvEÖ. There's nothing wrong with CCP selling other services than gametime, and they already do it. Character transfers, portrait changes, corp logo changes. But more importantly: alt accounts.
This change would not ruin EVE, but it is against my gaming ideology that when players have to pay a monthly sub, they also have to pay for extra perks. Asking us to pay for a subscription and pay for ingame advantages on top of that is just over the top for me.
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Thanael
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.03 17:44:00 -
[792]
WTF CCP!
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Talek Miriden
Darkwave Technologies Blade.
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:18:00 -
[793]
dear good lord supported !!!
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Vyktor Abyss
The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.10.04 00:56:00 -
[794]
Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 04/10/2010 00:56:51
As someone who can't really justify paying monthly for the game anymore due to real world financial issues, I pay for my play time with PLEX.
If remaps use PLEX that will rocket the price of PLEX probably pushing me and others like me out of the game.
And TBH this game is better with me in it, innit?!?
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.04 15:44:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Portmanteau on 04/10/2010 15:49:50 DO NOT DO THIS
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Peter Totolos
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.10.04 16:27:00 -
[796]
WTF ??
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.04 18:26:00 -
[797]
There is a post for those who wish to support this feature. You can do so here:
[VANIR / AESIR WARS] C o m i n g S o o n Ö
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hfo maan
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Posted - 2010.10.04 18:31:00 -
[798]
No micropayments :(
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JackStraw56
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Posted - 2010.10.05 09:23:00 -
[799]
Absolutely hate the idea of allowing the purchase of remaps.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.05 10:24:00 -
[800]
meh
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Seishi Maru
Organization for Nuclear Research
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Posted - 2010.10.05 11:41:00 -
[801]
Any move towards micro transaction even if milimetric is the END.. really END for this game.
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eXeler0n
Matari Sentinel-Squad
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Posted - 2010.10.05 11:50:00 -
[802]
Plex for ISK is enough. Do not add a payshop in Eve!
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Yu Haul
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.05 12:10:00 -
[803]
that terrible feature increase the demand of the plexes while not increasing supply. make it otherwise, increase plex supply by implementing this feature. let people pay 35$ (double plex price) for free neural remap (an option available in account management). for this fee you are receiving free neural remap and a plex to use or to sell.
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David Carel
Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.10.05 20:42:00 -
[804]
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azurisk
Crypto Works
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:40:00 -
[805]
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Jondo Marikesh
Masuat'aa Matari Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.10.05 22:48:00 -
[806]
terribly wrong direction CCP
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Kami3k
The Lucky Bible Company
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Posted - 2010.10.05 23:20:00 -
[807]
Neural remaps once a year beyond the extra one you get at the character's creation is it should be.
I do not want to see this game on a slippery slop to being a space based WoW.
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Leska Helios
New Eden Advanced Solutions
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Posted - 2010.10.06 14:58:00 -
[808]
Whats next RL Money for special items? No thanks!
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Tarikla
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:04:00 -
[809]
Edited by: Tarikla on 06/10/2010 15:05:21 When i read this :
Interview
I can no longer ignore this thread .
Supported .
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Pheobe Transista
GeoCorp. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:05:00 -
[810]
We already have real money trading, which gives an advantage to those with more disposable income... |
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.06 15:23:00 -
[811]
Quote: Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:14:00 -
[812]
Originally by: Portmanteau
Quote: Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!
I for one am looking forward to see $25 ghost ponies available
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Cash Miner
HighTech Solutions Cleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:28:00 -
[813]
i support anything against ccp as they are killing this game.
i also vote to stop ccp from ****ering around on tweeter more than they answer petitions.
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Bondeknold
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:29:00 -
[814]
So all of us that had to Use the old system are just Screwed ? we all lost A ton of skillpoints because we had to wait . And that said Why Aim to Be like world of warcraft wich has No gameplay left .. you Just sit there swining your credit card and then its all automated .. Skillpoints Learning and Remaps are what makes Eve what eve is .. change it and the Whole point of eve is Gone!
Eve shop
1.000.000 skillspoints 9.99$ 5.000.000 skillpoints 25.99 $ < Limited offer new costumers recives a free Titan! .. thats eve 2011 for ya
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Hadiax
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:33:00 -
[815]
A very big NO to plex for neural remap!
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Devin Ogan
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:41:00 -
[816]
In my opinion this detracts from the skill in planning ahead (effectively a dumbing down of the game). You can simply pay money to better advance, rather than having to think and plan your remap.
From a RP perspective. The Pilots license extension is a in-game role play item to represent a subscription, why would this be exchangeable for a neutral remap? If we have to have this "feature" shouldnÆt it at least be for ISK, like everything else (PLEX is not currency). This would suggest its more financial decision rather than a feature.
Relating Remaps directly to a PLEX may lead to a trend where it's the norm just to keep up. Of course this contributes in terms of revenue, but at what cost?
I would be very disappointed to see the game heading it this direction. It would be a very small step to PLEX for SP
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StinkRay
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:43:00 -
[817]
Edited by: StinkRay on 06/10/2010 16:44:43 I don't give a **** about this tbh.
Personally I'd have both learning skills and attributes removed.
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Del Icio'us
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:51:00 -
[818]
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Thror Ginkar
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:55:00 -
[819]
Can't find a better way to kill Eve... please no
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xp8k
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:55:00 -
[820]
no thx CCP
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rens observer
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:56:00 -
[821]
Originally by: Devin Ogan
Relating Remaps directly to a PLEX may lead to a trend where it's the norm just to keep up. Of course this contributes in terms of revenue, but at what cost?
Losing large amounts of players who refuse to be part of this sellout bull**** and then further large amounts who try to continue playing but get fed up being fleeced by CCP just to keep up with everyone else.
This is utter bull CCP.
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Ion Tyche
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Posted - 2010.10.06 16:58:00 -
[822]
I support
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Kishin Sendo
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:01:00 -
[823]
NO CCP, bad boy... bad boy... down down... bad bad boy.... You Behave or else...
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Emma Royd
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:05:00 -
[824]
Bad idea, there's already enough stuff you can buy with real life cash in eve either legally or not, don't make skill training speed one of them
Everyone makes mistakes, good thing about eve is they're not permanent, if you genuinely screw up your attributes and gve yourself huge charisma then train leadership and social skills for a year +_+
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity |
Eo Novato
Reasonable People True Reign
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:12:00 -
[825]
Please don't do this. Would be the first step in the very wrong direction.
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Slightly Bonkers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:12:00 -
[826]
NO NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO!!!! THIS SHOULDNT HAPPEN, DONT BE EVEN ****TER THAN U ALREADY ARE CCP!!!! STOP THINKING OF NEW CRAP TO FILL THE GAME WITH, AND FIX THE STUFF U ALREADY HAVE!!!!
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Guntori
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:13:00 -
[827]
Edited by: Guntori on 06/10/2010 17:14:07 Supported
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de votso
Caldari Black Sun. QQ Connoisseur's
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:16:00 -
[828]
BFF? fooooooooooooooools
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Namrehh
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:17:00 -
[829]
There is nothing wrong with dinosaurs - Eve should at least keep the kool ones. Limited Remap is one of them.
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Ryas Nia
Veto.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:17:00 -
[830]
Micro Transactions are bad for the game, and fly in the face of how this game is designed.
PLEX remaps are just the start of what will end up a drop off into micro transactions and having to pay $500/y to buy your way into SP, ships, and more.
Every game company says that the items wont have an advantage in game, but if they have no game advantage, then they have no value, people dont pay for things with no value. Once CCP figures that out they will sell something that does have value, and people who buy it will have an advantage over those that do not.
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Celestar Tenos
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:17:00 -
[831]
Edited by: Celestar Tenos on 06/10/2010 17:18:33 this is a really bad idea, would just wreck eve for me, seriously, dont do it
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Jarkovii
Caldari Team JAVELIN
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:20:00 -
[832]
Edited by: Jarkovii on 06/10/2010 17:21:23 No! Why conform to other business practices? CCP has always been exclusive in their own design. And the hard-core player base has been their ticket to success.
Hell no to the Plex exchange! |
Kaissia
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:21:00 -
[833]
/signed
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Marshall Knight
Ardent Industrial DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:21:00 -
[834]
Edited by: Marshall Knight on 06/10/2010 17:24:04 I am against this as well and especially the way ccp went about it. Have you guys got new management or something cause you seem to be going away from your core principles and into the relm of lets make as much money for shareholders as possible relm instead of just being happy making a profit.
This is just a way for you generate more revenue. a majority of the older members dont want it and i dont think it would just stop at this once you start im sure it will get more and more.
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:24:00 -
[835]
Originally by: "Torfi Frans Olafsson" Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
Oh my God... The idiocy...
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Demonic Wisher
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:26:00 -
[836]
This is just a bad idea all around the game has good points and bad points, but this will ruin the game if its put into practice by giving a clear advantage to those with a greater sum of cash at their disposal.
The game will basically become one of those free to play games that are pointless in playing unless you buy stuff from the item store.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:26:00 -
[837]
Originally by: Tarikla Edited by: Tarikla on 06/10/2010 15:05:21 When i read this :
Interview
I can no longer ignore this thread .
Supported .
Bit late now bro. You should have voted when it might have done some good.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Lolion Reglo
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:28:00 -
[838]
Looks like a dark dangerous road if they impliment this
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Py Thon
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:30:00 -
[839]
Please CCP, this is really lame, you're going the same way as LoTRo, Lineage and other crappy MMOs noone likes to play aanymore after a few months. NO SP advantages through remaps for cash.
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Iceworld
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:30:00 -
[840]
CCP you must be joking
Its problematic enough with the plexes that destroy the game
Stop now
Iceworld
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VLAD VIRONS
X-SENSE Technologies
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:36:00 -
[841]
well, the game is ready bored me with all those lags and glitches, the things r only keep me here its a spaceships and skills that still need to train, so i will not cry about, but will definetely "reprocess my chars to a biomass"
otherwords - WTF CCP!
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MIAnnn
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:37:00 -
[842]
Please, don't do this. This is e the first step in the wrong direction
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Zalyz S'venfirion
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:40:00 -
[843]
Totally against that CCP idea.
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placeholder4 me
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:41:00 -
[844]
Enough with this train of thought plex is for game play only and u make enough thru plexes and regular subscriptions already.Iknow as i pay for alot of plexes myself lol.DONT DO IT!!!
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Khorum
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:42:00 -
[845]
WTH
100% support against ccp for this one
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pedros
Minmatar Gaia Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:46:00 -
[846]
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VLAD VIRONS
Gallente X-SENSE Technologies
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:47:00 -
[847]
guys, when u reply to the topic, there option - checkbox "Support this topic: [ ]Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on"
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Natsu Yogeru
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:54:00 -
[848]
Great so those of us that have played for years we get what ?? a new car or maybe a Titan ingame ??? Get a grip CCP But hey you just go ahead with that dumb ass idea i heard Guildwars 2 comes out soon then i can throw this "used to be fun" game in the trasher.
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no cyno
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Posted - 2010.10.06 17:55:00 -
[849]
NO!
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Zarph
Clan FjALL Phonenix Care Factor
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:01:00 -
[850]
No. |
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Captain Knox
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:01:00 -
[851]
Originally by: Fail Fit I'm not afraid to say it but, money has never been a problem with me. People use money to gain an advantage in real life all the time. There is no reason it should be any different in a game. I am looking forward to training faster no mater what skill I pick.
I agree with this guy.. if you don't like it just don't buy it. Whats wrong with a little competition anyway? it's not as if they are recieving a free Titan with every remap.. they are training their skills a bit faster.. shaving a few days.. woopty doo, i was too busy with a small thing called LIFE to care. comon guys grow up a bit, most of you just sound petty..
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Nell Tu
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:12:00 -
[852]
I agree with not allowing this... If CCP allows this it won't take long before they start selling "Magical 1M SP PLEX". This is a direct step in turning good game in a piece of s... (you know what...)
NO from me, NO remap for plexes.
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Turelle
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:15:00 -
[853]
No, just no CCP.
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Zanzi Nabu
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:15:00 -
[854]
OMG NO!!!!
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Chantal Vercleven
Pionierbrigade 40
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:15:00 -
[855]
n after that there the buy a Federation Mega for 29.99$ or buy all uniquely rare bs for only 99.99$
Na thanks. CCP, stupid idea. 90% of the noobs will still leave after understanding the complexity round here. wrong kinda client for the product. and dont you EVER dare to change that. This Space for rent. Evemail if interested. |
Kolimara
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:28:00 -
[856]
remap for plex is the first step to sp for plex and other stuff -.-
so against it.
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Onakas
NeoCorp Massive Dynamic Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:39:00 -
[857]
WoW goes to Space?
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Atherin Gaius
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:41:00 -
[858]
This has to be, by far, the dumbest idea CCP has ever had. All this will do is allow give people an undue advantage over other players that can't afford to pay to remap their character(s) every month.
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Xenofonte
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:43:00 -
[859]
Edited by: Xenofonte on 06/10/2010 18:45:45 Edited by: Xenofonte on 06/10/2010 18:44:59 Do not agree.
Eve is a harsh environment and actions and mistakes have huge consequences. Decisions matter. Don't take that away.
You want new players to stay? Combine this game with Halo... Let us land on planets, ride different vehicles on planets, allow frigs and destroyers to fight in the atmosphere and bomb facilities there, bring ambulation in stations, bring more places where people can interact/produce/fight and you will be on the right track to have a game that will suit many playing styles and personalities... Will keep people engaged, as knowing they are playing the best game ever, and that anyone new will have to pay the same price to obtain the experience required to survive...
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Rymunin
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:45:00 -
[860]
i can say this is a real crappy idea imho.. and yes i do buy the occasional plex for isk ... but to remap... nooooooooo
why ccp why
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V3xy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 18:52:00 -
[861]
Originally by: Drakonido Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
This........
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Lady Riza
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:01:00 -
[862]
WTF CCP? Greed. Are you proud of what you have built? Implement this and watch you fall into the shameless depths of other mediocore MMORPG's
FUUU and your Greed.
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Somerset Mahm
Somer's Omnibus Exploration and Reclamation Cognitive Development
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:05:00 -
[863]
Nothing makes this worthwhile. The ability to mitigate consequence's of one's actions is not a part of Eve. --- SOMER Lotteries SOMER Blink - new! SOMER Escrow Services |
libhold
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:07:00 -
[864]
I say no to this!! CCP, please don't go down this road!
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Isanoe nothwood
The All-Seeing Eye
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:11:00 -
[865]
This is a "no-no"!
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Elaine Threepwood
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:11:00 -
[866]
Truely dumb idea
Why the hell should people with nice wallets in RL be able to buy advancement time to reign in the greed ccp bad enough being buying Supercaps via plex without this **** as well.
Team Minmatar forums |
kendermag
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:12:00 -
[867]
Please CCP...do not fail us! :(
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Tryvus
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:14:00 -
[868]
PLEX are fine as they are, don't ruin it. Too many publishers start with micro-transactions and it just goes out of control. Next thing you know the game is free to play as a graphic chat room, but anything else you want to do will cost 99 cents a pop. Don't even start down that path CCP.
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Stan Durden
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:15:00 -
[869]
Don't start pandering to the wrong crowd.
****ing off the dedicated fan base in favor of the noob horde will be a mistake.
I love eve because it is a hard game. I enjoy the fact that a lot of people get ****ed off and quit, because for the most part the people that stay are good gamers. I enjoy playing with other people who can think and learn to consider their actions and continue on past costly mistakes.
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Miyah Putredas
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:16:00 -
[870]
Support.
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Killoweare
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:17:00 -
[871]
Edited by: Killoweare on 06/10/2010 19:22:55 WTF CCP?
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Reidsol
The All-Seeing Eye
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:17:00 -
[872]
Edited by: Reidsol on 06/10/2010 19:25:33
guys, profit > everything else
NO OMFG.
I don't know why u r wasting time at CCP with this plex for remap thingie. U should just go selling million SPs for plex instantly. Way better profit.
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Dolgu
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:19:00 -
[873]
srsly no
I got no problem with extra remaps but i don't want micropayments in eve.
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Kirja
R.U.S.H Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:21:00 -
[874]
Edited by: Kirja on 06/10/2010 19:21:49 Do not like.
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Little Beetle
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:22:00 -
[875]
My alt doesnt like it either.
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Shaitan Ru
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:24:00 -
[876]
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Quasvedalves Izmir
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:30:00 -
[877]
We don't want it !
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Mihai1
MOTHER-CORP Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:30:00 -
[878]
Supported I hate the games with shops many of them don't last 2 years.
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Nardman
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:30:00 -
[879]
One of CCPs worst ideas yet. And that is saying a lot. THIS IS DOMINION! |
Jita AltToon
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:31:00 -
[880]
:(
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1122334455667788991010
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:42:00 -
[881]
Soo, If and when we can buy Neural Remap's, Then where's my ability to change my ingame Name?
Untill I see that ability, I Strongly Disapprove.
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Zarox Ilphukeira
Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:44:00 -
[882]
Don't turn Eve into yet another Pay for everything Extra Game.
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Zen Toaster
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:47:00 -
[883]
Edited by: Zen Toaster on 06/10/2010 19:48:00 if CCP does this, they will lose something every other mmmorpg has, their integrity.
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Nazgul Harul
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:48:00 -
[884]
And I was flammed when I said that this would/can happen
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Peter62
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:52:00 -
[885]
Big companies, corperations, and kingdoms has died up through time When the greed by these became to big, its workers or its people turned against it/them. The same story happens here. We players that have used loooong time to train our char to its skill level. Can by this get overrun by rookies with monster size skills..... CCP U play with fire and may front the risk that a lot of old players will turn the back on U..... Sorry to say, so I hope U reconsider what U are about to do Peter62
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Resha Tsvort
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:58:00 -
[886]
WTF CCP?
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Shicopatan Matabechos
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:12:00 -
[887]
WTF CCP?
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Kalicrates
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:22:00 -
[888]
Signed. Rich Rocks And Laser Death |
Denny Haze
Phenomenons
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:29:00 -
[889]
No, this is not a vanity item, this is a skillpoint advantage!
60D GTC |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:30:00 -
[890]
Supported. Cash from out of game for plexes is enough. No more.
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Drevin Marks
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:31:00 -
[891]
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:15:00 -
[892]
Am I late?
NO to Microtransactions, so NO to PLEX for remaps, which is just the beginning of a dirty road.
obsta principiis!
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XlMiMiClX
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:21:00 -
[893]
This would Clearing be a Disadvantage to many people what work hard for your game due to the fact I screwed over my Attribute points and would love more SP this is the wrong I repeat Wrong! Way going about it. Your game is benefitting from players loving to Train at will while at school, vacation, and work. If youÆre making this game that people can just pay for the SP point I would seriously quit and donÆt look back. This Idea is going to Kill your profit as a wise man once told me "STOP BEING GREEDY" I will not sit by and watch CCP Kill a game I been playing for 5years for some extra profit. I Say there should be a Poll. Players have rights to the game were playing as I understand Eve-Online Give players the right to speak their mind all the time this is a crucial time for the game developer open there EYES and Listen to the Public sadly if this doesnÆt happen eve will die very fast. I GIVE THIS DECISION 4 THUMBS DOWN Yes, I can do that IÆm a Alien after all. I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS IDEA AT ALL AND CCP WILL LOSE A 5yr VETERAN PLAYER
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Archer Desade
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:28:00 -
[894]
I think, I will quit EVE too, if CCP decides to do this.
Even if its only new clothes for PLEX (when Incarna is coming) or anything like that. As soon as this is possible, its just a small step further to special Items for money.
Everything, that gives an advantage to everyone not paying extra money, is bull****.
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Pep Alo
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:34:00 -
[895]
We are the box, you just a handful of sand.
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Cailais
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:00:00 -
[896]
Quit lying CCP.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Morgane Kaeren
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:26:00 -
[897]
Please no...
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DooMCrash
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:27:00 -
[898]
Why are u so upset with this ? There are such things in the game already and that is called attrib implants. Are u not complaining about those too ?
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JoelCoen
NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:40:00 -
[899]
Edited by: JoelCoen on 06/10/2010 22:41:11 CCP, stop ignoring your playerbase...
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Shinobi Kurai
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:30:00 -
[900]
Noooo... Do net let it happen
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Deks
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:34:00 -
[901]
im disgusted with you CCP! This isn't World of Tanks its a proper MMO! (or so i thought!) _______________________________________________ A man by any other name is a surely a woman :/ |
Zach Nazgul
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:40:00 -
[902]
I wish that when CCP actually implements this feature, at least 50% of the current paying accounts would just cancel payments...
Seriously f'ing wish that!
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iKill Giants
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:40:00 -
[903]
Edited by: iKill Giants on 06/10/2010 23:41:21 /signed ---------
People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon. |
Abil
Authorities Against Antidisestablishmentarianism
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:46:00 -
[904]
WTF should ppl get that sort of advantage JUST because they have more money or mummy dont mind the credit card being used .... the fact that u can get extra isk from selling plex's is enough .....
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Zecuza
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:48:00 -
[905]
i'll quite if this happens. supported |
Ferrus Manuss
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:49:00 -
[906]
i think not.
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Hackzilla
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:51:00 -
[907]
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Velazem
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Posted - 2010.10.06 23:51:00 -
[908]
i do not want this game to be like those free internet MMO's where you can buy your way to the top supported
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Bokanon
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:01:00 -
[909]
Edited by: Bokanon on 07/10/2010 00:02:13
Originally by: Evelgrivion The feature is cash for a skill point advantage; a step in the wrong direction for the only thing of value in this game - skill points over time.
This could have the potential to break the game.
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Greken
Minmatar The Lost Regime
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:10:00 -
[910]
Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:13:12 as far as I see, this just allows you to reallocate your skill points, it doesnt seem to give a person any more skill points than they previously had... there is no "boost" whatsoever given to anybody who does this other than how their skill points are distriubuted...
I think it is kind of dumb that it costs PLEX instead of money, but PLEX really IS MONEY anyway so even that doesnt really even matter... so what is the big deal?
or am I misunderstanding something here?
(EDIT, and when I say 'skill points' I am actually talking about Attribute Points (as that is what a Neural Remap is), not the actual skill points gained from training a skill)
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Torquemada Credo
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:19:00 -
[911]
WTF CCP, not on your nelly.
Plexes have already totally devalued ISK ingame and ruined the economy, I guess you could go the whole hog and speed up eves demise with this latest kick in the spheriods.
/signed if you wanna be free to play, be free to play. If you wanna be a real mmorg drop this frankly stupid idea and maybe rethink the real world money for isk market youve condemned in one breathe and blown totally out of proportion with PLEXes.
Seriously this is a phial to far.
TC
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Zalcuroze
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:21:00 -
[912]
supported
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Hey Gumpy
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:32:00 -
[913]
Toasting, bread, epic.
+1
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JASON W0RTHING
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:40:00 -
[914]
WTF CCP????
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Zylithi
Caldari X.T.R. OWTBS Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:41:00 -
[915]
Disapprove.
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Dr Ngo
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:46:00 -
[916]
Supporting because I think it's a stupid idea but some of you emo doomsayers need to take a breath and think about this. If you optimize your attributes for your training plan every year and then somewhat stick to it the actual sp difference from changing attributes every time you change skills is negligable. This really just allows people to chase after their sp butterflies mid training plan and possibly recover earlier from a *DERP DERP* remap.
However I think that this sort of thing will end up opening doors to a lot of other features for rl money.
tl;dr: I think it's a dumb idea but you emo ****s are seriously blowing this out of proportion. - M.D. |
TranZferR
Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 00:47:00 -
[917]
Hell no this is not a facebook game for crying out loud this is a terrible idea!
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bethoven
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:01:00 -
[918]
Please don't.
Many of us have put in YEARS of patient work.
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Heian
Life on Moon
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:09:00 -
[919]
I have always been telling the world about Eve, only game i ever felt to have the spirit, care, and support to its players.
Since 2004 when i created first character Vladimir ilich, i have been lured to this amasing world of pure gaming and wits.
Its strength is massive, comparing it to other mmorpg products is unimmaginable, it doesnt even stand to the critteria of 'product', as this is a gift to us, the players.
Now, when i ve heard the consideration of implementing an option to upgrade gameplay with real cash, which is supported by game developers, in this case the Plex-remap case. I must say that it absolutely will cripple if not kill, exaust the spirit of eve and his maker the ccp, which i ve always talked of with awe to my brother while truing to lure him to play it, and the other people.
Nowdays all i see is games who profit from such operations, and i cannot deny ccp would be wise to follow and fight to take the milk from the cow everybodys been milking so hard, earn more cash, to support even further their progres with dust, and bloodlines game they are working on.
But, the price to such actions is the one which players of eve will be paying, not just loosing players faith, but also shattering our, and mine, firm stand when we say: Eve - online is the best game ever to be, and has incredible developer support.
Hell, sometimes i catch myself thinking what the hell i am doing in this game so long, and get bored from time to time, but then i think about the ccp and their care to this game like its a rare and valuable flower. Just cause of that, i decided to fly the vast reaches of space as long as ccp and eve exist.
I must say that weather you decide to make the first step towards the milking cow or not, i will not leave the game i loved so much. But to whom i am going to tell now, of the great and absolute, flawless game of eve and its developer ccp?
Petturson and the Crew, Decide!
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AnimosityHeD
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:15:00 -
[920]
When I first joined eve they preached "Time based skilling to level the playing field between the weekend warrior and hardcore no-lifers". I would like CCP to then justify, that being the philosophy they built they're entire revolutionary skilling structure around, how that is in any way different than giving an advantage to those who see the subscription and 20 plexs a month as a drop in the bucket over those who are scraping (or grinding) every month to keep playing.
CCP is asking its subscribers to resign themselves to the fact that someone who started the game at the same exact time will have millions more skillpoints than them at 6 months of gameplay because the other person has more 0's at the end of their bank account and there is virtually nothing that person can do about it. That's not to mention the people who have been around for 5, 6, 7+ years now only to see all their money and countless hours viewed as wasted because someone well-off can achieve the same thing in 3/4 or less of the time.
To end my soapbox soliloque, if they change this I probably wont walk away, at least not at first, but some will and the next outrageous change some more will. But to CCP this is balanced by the increase they see in PLEX sales and new subscribers (and new accounts) who are drawn in by the prospect of faster gratification for a few extra bills. All that being said, CCP, you have shown us you can disregard our petitions (like this one) and raging to fix ongoing and longstanding issues or to not implement unwanted changes regardless of the support they recieve. Now, prove to us you have grown large enough to completely turn your back on your core membership and the people who made you what you are today.
-Signed-
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Cattibri
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:27:00 -
[921]
Edited by: Cattibri on 07/10/2010 01:32:42 I agree that this is the first step in the wrong direction, in and of itself it's fairly minor but it starts with remaps, then what? a collectors ship; ie zephyrs and that turns into faction shuttles and then faction frigates and then youre buying SP on double plex weekends while you wait for the titan sale next week?
Return to the days where players actually influenced the game =/
just checked the 'for' thread, still on first page vs this one alreayd at 31 and growing in the time that it took me to scan over one other thread. clear player majority in opinion?
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:29:00 -
[922]
Originally by: Greken Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:20:10 Edited by: Greken on 07/10/2010 00:13:12 as far as I see, this just allows you to reallocate your skill points, it doesnt seem to give a person any more skill points than they previously had... there is no "boost" whatsoever given to anybody who does this other than how their skill points are distriubuted...
I think it is kind of dumb that it costs PLEX instead of ISK, but PLEX really IS ISK anyway so even that doesnt really even matter... so what is the big deal?
or am I misunderstanding something here?
(EDIT, and when I say 'skill points' I am actually talking about Attribute Points (as that is what a Neural Remap is), not the actual skill points gained from training a skill)
By reallocating attributes at your discretion you can, if you train the skills based on the attributes you've now paid isk/money-bought plex which if you pay for the reallocation only makes sense that you do, train 'optimally' for every skill that fits the allocation you've picked. Doing so repeatedly means you train 'faster' than someone who only remaps per their yearly allocation and trains all the skills that fit the remap, less likely as priorities change and it isn't always possible to ONLY train skills that fit your optimal remap setup.
When comparing the two characters the one that remapped every time they trained skills with different primary and secondary attributes they come out with more SP than the player who trained mostly, if all, the skills for their single remap. The end result is two fold more SP for the remapping fiend and potentially a faster road to an overall goal like say being a 'very good' stealth bomber pilot and 'explorer' vs the other character that trained primarily one type of skill with a few others tossed in out of need/desire that didn't fit the original remap, they might have to 'wait' to train optimally for additional skills or train them at a diminished rate depending on the initial remap.
Plex isn't isk it is cash, every plex that exists came into being because someone paid $17.5 US for it it is truly pay to gain an ingame feature that you already have access to at a regular schedule. The fact that they now greenlight us paying for things our normal subscription allows us to have as an extra is part of the issue, how about you use a plex to get jump clones when you have no standing, or you use a plex to get a training bonus for 1 million sp? If you or someone else is willing to spend the cash you can overcome game constraints to get ahead it isn't about 'earning' or actually being better than others, more clever, etc it is about if you have extra cash to toss at CCP for benefits, aka bribing them.
Plex does the same but at least it combats isk sellers who would abuse CCP's product using macros to artificially create isk through methods normal players wouldn't do at the same rate, 23/7 mining, mission running, or by hacking player accounts and stealing their isk. This feature isn't something CCP has any competition with a 3rd party, they are doing it simply to make more $, so why not sell SP for $, why not sell ships for $, why not sell soverignty for $?
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Aijle Mijleroff
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:42:00 -
[923]
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Klyria
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.07 01:44:00 -
[924]
insert comment here
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Gryganne
Rockhound Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 02:04:00 -
[925]
WTF CCP?? |
Celtic Desrtoyer
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Posted - 2010.10.07 02:08:00 -
[926]
Edited by: Celtic Desrtoyer on 07/10/2010 02:14:38 I say no!! LIKE WTF! Going in the wrong direction!!
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Michia Kaku
Infinity Trading Corporation Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 02:33:00 -
[927]
Blablabla That said blablabla...
Read as "we going to do it anyways",
This is not good.
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Langbaobao
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Posted - 2010.10.07 02:36:00 -
[928]
Lots of people have already said more or less what I think of this. I'm definitely against remaps for PLEX....
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Izo Alabaster
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Posted - 2010.10.07 03:48:00 -
[929]
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Rifean Nethulifus
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:10:00 -
[930]
WTF CCP?!
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ColdBeauty
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:28:00 -
[931]
Edited by: ColdBeauty on 07/10/2010 06:29:00 why not try increasing revenue thru new accounts by fixing ur stupid broken game instead of this idiocy. It seems like you've just given up CCP.
This is the thin end of the wedge ... stop before it's too late
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T00T4ll
160th Sign of Legacy
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:33:00 -
[932]
never ever dare! wtf CCP building a good game and now trying to destroy it by urself o.O
------------------------------------------------- You never know what you're going to run into, so just look sharp and stay frosty! |
Dreadmaster Fluffy
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:35:00 -
[933]
Edited by: Dreadmaster Fluffy on 07/10/2010 06:36:46 I have to admit I'd be the first one to use this feature if it were available. But I still think it's wrong and I support this thread.
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Diabolyc
Trojan Trolls
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:42:00 -
[934]
another bs from ccp
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Vukas
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Posted - 2010.10.07 06:50:00 -
[935]
What is next? Custom colors for ships?
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DeBingJos
Ethically Questionable
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Posted - 2010.10.07 07:04:00 -
[936]
NO!! to any type of microtransaction!
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ZOGYBOY
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Posted - 2010.10.07 07:35:00 -
[937]
There is allwys some dumbass in a great corp who comes with crappy ideas. CCP - let the ppl decide. I would like to think that eve will remain the same considering skilltraining and other character based mods. If i would like to learn faster, i could just start playing WOW. Damn.
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Zeno Graviton
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Posted - 2010.10.07 07:37:00 -
[938]
No to unfair advantages... Will CCP ever listen to its client base?
No clients no business! Hence we are stake holders in business, one does not work without the other.
"We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style", is this an excuse to do anything and everything? If we as customers stopped paying you would you listen? How do you not know that at some point down the track that when clients leave game that it is not influenced by such decisions.
One day this will come back to bite you. |
Lisa Amber
WEPRA CORP Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:00:00 -
[939]
I'm losing the faith every day a little more CCP...
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Thea Yulivee
Passion of War
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:11:00 -
[940]
don't start that kind of sh*t ccp...
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Surreal Angeline
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:12:00 -
[941]
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:21:00 -
[942]
NO to micro transactions! Its a disgusting idea designed to milk the players for even more money. Are not the monthly fees we pay good enough anymore? You need more cash? Really? :(
PLEX for a remap gives a direct advantage to thoose who got more RL money over others. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
John Zorg
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:33:00 -
[943]
CCP just like most other gaming companies are losing focus of what they are and what their purpose is. Stop trying to impress your shareholders and stop trying to boost your profits with abuse like this.
CCP always goes on about balance. Stop Real money traders, stop macroing, stop using POS exploits... why? because it hits your bottom line. But when you introduce something that will increase your income to the detriment of game balance its ok. Sad...
We pay your salaries... without us you wouldn't exist. Remember that.
JZ
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Mikey Miner
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:38:00 -
[944]
Plex is not currency, isk is currency. you can already legally buy isk isn't this enough?
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Chimp Rimmer
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:41:00 -
[945]
Originally by: Mikey Miner Plex is not currency, isk is currency. you can already legally buy isk isn't this enough?
^this^
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.10.07 08:41:00 -
[946]
no, damn
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Baron Agamemnon
The Einherji
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Posted - 2010.10.07 09:28:00 -
[947]
I do not agree on micro transactions. --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire **** into space." |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 10:47:00 -
[948]
Real-life cash shouldn't give you an in-game advantage.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dangrou
Caldari The Einherji
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Posted - 2010.10.07 10:47:00 -
[949]
Edited by: Dangrou on 07/10/2010 10:48:45 I Vote NO to micro payments!
Micro payments suck - they ruin the game. Just see how fast LoR dies
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Lone Wolfe013
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Posted - 2010.10.07 12:03:00 -
[950]
Supporting
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Zaldoza
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.07 12:07:00 -
[951]
Although it can be good and bad i will have to vote No for the greater good of this community
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Azrakadar
The Nietzsche Followers
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Posted - 2010.10.07 12:27:00 -
[952]
Don't do it, CCP...it's a dangerous road...
Also, wtf, we hear about this first from a third-party website?
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Kiara Belgique
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Posted - 2010.10.07 12:38:00 -
[953]
WTF CCP?! |
Triptychs
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Posted - 2010.10.07 13:46:00 -
[954]
Supporting
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Jake Solaris
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Posted - 2010.10.07 14:21:00 -
[955]
/signed. Don't open Pandora's box! Micropayment might be mainstream, but most ppl here play EVE because it's different! |
Rik Deckard
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 14:32:00 -
[956]
supporting this
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.10.07 14:39:00 -
[957]
no ... just no ccp
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Ghanur Niemandzoon
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Posted - 2010.10.07 14:43:00 -
[958]
Edited by: Ghanur Niemandzoon on 07/10/2010 14:44:08 In support.
If EVE is going Pay-2-Win - I'm gone.
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Pliskkenn
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.07 14:50:00 -
[959]
---
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Gerazon Kaern
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Posted - 2010.10.07 15:04:00 -
[960]
I'm losing faith in CCP fast
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Daedalus80
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Posted - 2010.10.07 15:12:00 -
[961]
Just one small step for plex, one giant leap in the wrong direction.
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Provins
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Posted - 2010.10.07 15:18:00 -
[962]
Plex for remap makes me sad :(
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Martyr 01
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 16:00:00 -
[963]
WTF?
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
Shoot whoever's coming up with these *ucking horrible ideas.
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Mama Pyjama
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Posted - 2010.10.07 16:10:00 -
[964]
NOOOOOO!!! Dislike to the power of n!
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.07 16:28:00 -
[965]
WTF CCP is a really good answer.
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
May O'Neez
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Posted - 2010.10.07 17:33:00 -
[966]
Edited by: May O''Neez on 07/10/2010 17:37:00 I will quote another guy from the original topic:
"In a P2P game there should not be any way to advance more quickly than other via cash."
EVE has 2 unique features: fixed-speed skilling (i.e. it doesn't change if you play more or pay more), and the size of the playground. Remaps allow faster skilling (even faster than optimized approach) and defeats hard work of year+ training plans.
I will follow this situation carefully, let's just hope there will be barriers at least to moderate this potential balance breakout.
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Cassandra Drake
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Posted - 2010.10.07 20:24:00 -
[967]
not for Plex, thats the wrong direction
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xFLYBOYx
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.07 20:29:00 -
[968]
WTF CCP!!!!
IF you approve this im out of EVE
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Mike 2812
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.07 20:34:00 -
[969]
Horrible idea CCP!!!!!!
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2010.10.07 21:14:00 -
[970]
This can only end badly, do not allow plex trading for neural remaps
All the above is prolly crap
Drone Guide
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Phoenus
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 21:43:00 -
[971]
Supported (not that this thread, nor the CSM's protests will ultimately have any impact on the path that CCP has in sight).
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Tuck Davis
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Posted - 2010.10.07 21:57:00 -
[972]
/supporting
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Djavol Firebreather
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.07 22:16:00 -
[973]
I guess pay to play is not enough WTF. "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
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Karu Deran
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:14:00 -
[974]
IF u wanna remap - just make a "pay 400 Mio ISK here for Remap" and not a "please insert PLEX here" button.
If u implement this ... "feature" it will not only crash the Plex-market - but it will take out Plex (intended to trade playtime for ISK - and vica verca) to $$$ for faster skilling (1-month cycle of remaping 1 year char with SP normaly a 2 year char will have without sticking to ANY skillplan).
/signed & regards |
ChiefAlex
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Posted - 2010.10.08 05:52:00 -
[975]
Edited by: ChiefAlex on 08/10/2010 05:53:54 Definetly "no" to anything "pay with PLEX" !
First a "vanity" golden necklace for the avatar, then a special implant "just for one PLEX".
The missing of a "item shop" is what makes EVE better then much out there, do not throw away this.
Resist the beginnings!
I would go fine with a "remap for ISK" but not "for PLEX". thanks for reading, CCP.
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Jyana Petrovskaya
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Posted - 2010.10.08 06:35:00 -
[976]
wtf ccp are you crazy???
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Xinus
Full Contact Blade.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 07:15:00 -
[977]
NO
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Scout Keks
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Posted - 2010.10.08 07:59:00 -
[978]
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Darth Spekulatia
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Posted - 2010.10.08 08:27:00 -
[979]
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Giskaris
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:12:00 -
[980]
supported Micropayments, even if only cosmetic, create a two class community. |
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:15:00 -
[981]
What the **** are you people on about? What else in the game can't you already buy with RL cash other than remaps?
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Thargan Thegol
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:33:00 -
[982]
WTF CCP?
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l6ngus
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:14:00 -
[983]
Don't be doing it wrong, CCP!
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eocsnesemaj
Heavens Gate Consortium Dead Reckoning Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.08 12:58:00 -
[984]
Originally by: Drakonido Real Money for Game advantage...NO!
This
http://tinyurl.com/EostSig |
Talthrus
EdgeGamers
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Posted - 2010.10.08 13:25:00 -
[985]
I haven't posted on the forums in ages but this definitely needs everyone's support. ----------------------
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Karl Kone
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:28:00 -
[986]
Hi,
first time poster here.
Introducing micropayments to eve online is definitely wrong. It starts with plex for remap, then bling bling for incarna clothes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY&feature=related
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Mardoh
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Posted - 2010.10.08 17:29:00 -
[987]
WTF CCP???
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:34:00 -
[988]
NO
Not for PLEX only. I would be okay if a remap would cost ISK. But not only with a PLEX. That is just milking the players and making our beloved EVE-Online a cash cow. We all know how that ends. |
Tokas III
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Posted - 2010.10.08 18:51:00 -
[989]
No. No. No.
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dermannmitdemkoks
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:15:00 -
[990]
Edited by: dermannmitdemkoks on 08/10/2010 19:16:30
Quote: We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
unique selling proposition - google it.
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Hese
The Einherji
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Posted - 2010.10.08 19:43:00 -
[991]
No thanks.
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Tarkelan
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Posted - 2010.10.08 20:16:00 -
[992]
No to plex for remaps and a general no to micro payment.
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H Zebra
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.08 23:09:00 -
[993]
Edited by: H Zebra on 08/10/2010 23:10:01 a line you shouldnt cross ccp
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ifollowed through
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Posted - 2010.10.09 06:49:00 -
[994]
no way jose..
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Alex95
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:43:00 -
[995]
NO NO NO
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Arbiter Reformed
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:50:00 -
[996]
was zee FFF?? NEIN!
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D'murr Pilru
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:54:00 -
[997]
If this happens then the next step is state issue ships for cash or other stuff so i say CCP is getting greedy. NO TO PLEX REMAP AND NO TO SHOPS IN EVE!!!
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Running missions
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:34:00 -
[998]
well... plex for a remap isnt a bad thing. its not like they get a massive advantage. Rich people IRL and IN games would have great advantage u can buy plex's off the market, which will drive the price up more but who cares it will readjust as with all item changes.
Pros:
* There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others * People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already * CCP has more plex to sell * People can buy characters with isk * This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness
Cons:
* Real Money Trading happens regardless
this is the real pro's vs con's
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Splithorizon
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.10 08:21:00 -
[999]
I do not like the idea very much.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.10.10 14:59:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: "Torfi Frans Olafsson" Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
I have to say it's pretty sad that Olafsson doesn't have the integrity to answer to this thread and state the same thing here.
"Not become a dinosaur" my ass. I hope everyone is aware that this means development time is being invested into "features" that will only be available for additional payment. Development time was spent on the "remap for PLEX" with Incursion, and the trend will continue and get worse in the future. It's not about exactly what they do. It's the fact that they spend valuable resources on it that are not being used in order to improve game performance for everyone. They invested Dev time we ultimately paid for, for the sole purpose of getting more money from us than they are already getting anyway. Despite the fact the majority of players evidently doesn't want that. It's a pretty ingenious concept, if you think about it.
The same Devs and coders could have worked on fixing bugs we've had to deal with for years, re-balancing some game aspects, finally getting the address book in working order again, or properly coding the patch that broke the entire UI and that took them 3 optional patches to defuse (with some people still crashing at random, the client suddenly becoming a GPU hogging FPS massacre for just as many, and mail system and auto-link features just about broken).
EVE really has one of the most dedicated playerbases I've seen anywhere - and CCP is now using that credit to try and milk the cow for all it's worth, instead of giving us the quality product they could deliver because we fracking well made it possible by investing our faith and money in them over years.
It's sad. If CCP executives believe it is a good idea to break explicit promises, and drive EVE down the road of generic "lets-make-money-oh-yeah-lets-do-a-mmo" out there - well, there's a lot of those for me and you to play and spend our money on.
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EVEcitizen2119278
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Posted - 2010.10.10 15:36:00 -
[1001]
no
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Newbee
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Posted - 2010.10.10 16:32:00 -
[1002]
plex should just stay the way they are ... timecodes nothing else they should be used for ... CCP stop here thats not the way we want it there were several points already where you made me thought about leaving the game but this will just break it no way this is gone happen... sorry but no not with me there are also other games that we can move on and go to and play elsewhere ( btw. for your calculations i got more than 1 account running so well think about it twice and calculate this in... )
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Jaala Creed
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.10 19:00:00 -
[1003]
In my opinion.. Selling GTC/Plex for Isk is more "gamebreaking" than this..
I don't see the problem.
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Ellente Fervens
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Posted - 2010.10.10 19:14:00 -
[1004]
NO to microtransactions (mostly cause they don't begin or stay at the micro level and $35/month should be enough for two accounts.)
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Phoenix Tyrox
Krupp-Stahl Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.10 20:25:00 -
[1005]
No to microtransactions
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.10.11 00:15:00 -
[1006]
I don't support this proposal. Remap for plex is a cool feature !
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.11 01:39:00 -
[1007]
Originally by: Running missions well... plex for a remap isnt a bad thing. its not like they get a massive advantage. Rich people IRL and IN games would have great advantage u can buy plex's off the market, which will drive the price up more but who cares it will readjust as with all item changes.
Pros:
* There won't be a new CCP mechanic that allows some players to benefit more ingame than others * People with more money can buy and sell plex ingame and get an advantage already * CCP has more plex to sell * People can buy characters with isk * This feature could possibly help fixing skill messups and lazyness
Cons:
* Real Money Trading happens regardless
this is the real pro's vs con's
No it isn't, but I'll get you started in the right direction.
Pros:
*CCP makes more money *People who want to use PLEX or spend $$$ for more remaps can *People who hope for more 'uses' for PLEX (character portrait swap, name changes, etc) gain hope for the future *Players can skip over a mechanic that is only offered by CCP, thus CCP has no competition for the service, hello monopoly. *People too stupid to understand how a remap works have an opportunity to reverse one that 'went bad' *People who want to only train at maximum SP/HR gain that ability through the sales of PLEX
CONS:
*The exra money CCP makes goes to whatever CCP wants, not necessarily EVE *CCP sees they can make more pay for feature options to players and have the monopoly on them *Too few people make use of the Remap option spurring more pay for features programs *Too many people make use of the remap option and CCP sees this as motivation for even more features to sell players *EVE goes down a road of pay for features that ruin the game
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Fournone
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Posted - 2010.10.11 01:48:00 -
[1008]
WTF CCP?
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OZONE MAKER
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Posted - 2010.10.11 17:47:00 -
[1009]
NO to plex for remap
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ishmeiil
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Posted - 2010.10.11 21:27:00 -
[1010]
NO, this is a very slippery slope, by correctly setting up skill plans and remap points and a bit of cash (or excess isk) it wouldnt be that hard to maximize your sp/hour, giving you an advantage over the person who cant afford the plex, and has to wait the year out. being able to switch your remap at will to minimize your training times does give an unfair advantage.
with all that said, IF this does go in, it needs a limit, once every 6 months maybe? but i would rather it not make it in at all.
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SleeperAcolyte
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:37:00 -
[1011]
Though I doubt CCP will listen, I wish they wouldn't do this but they seem determined to implement micro-transactions, and while I'm not against microtransactions for cosmetic purposes as they put it, altering the SP/Hr is not a cosmetic change.
Supported.
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Nmihaic1
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Posted - 2010.10.12 09:49:00 -
[1012]
noo hell no
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Recon85
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Posted - 2010.10.12 10:05:00 -
[1013]
nooo
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JcJet
Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:35:00 -
[1014]
Obviously... ---
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 14:38:00 -
[1015]
Seriously don't start down this road CCP, it only ends in a very bad place.
I guess this is where we find out, quite how much the CSM means to CCP, when this many players disagree with them. __________________________
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Moritlar
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:19:00 -
[1016]
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Jetski manatee
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:25:00 -
[1017]
Really CCP, WTF?
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JcJet
Caldari Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:38:00 -
[1018]
The score is 18:715 now :) whatever... This situation is very dissapointing, anyway, will it be on TQ or not. ---
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Cryptkiller
Ebola Allstars
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:40:00 -
[1019]
Kill it with fire! |
wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:40:00 -
[1020]
ISK for ÇÇÇ through GTCs is enough. I don't oppose to it because I'm realistic and if CCP doesn't control it, then the RMT market would be a black one mostly.
To give an XP advantage for ÇÇÇ? No, thanks. It's lame even in F2P games (oh wait, eve is already a F2P game for me :*)
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TheTravler
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Posted - 2010.10.13 14:28:00 -
[1021]
supported! I play this game because it's hard. I play because I love the challenge. I play because with risk there is reward.
Do not make this what SOE "NOT sisters of eve" did to SWG, a care bare game. DO NOT MAKE THIS A CARE BARE GAME!
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nadx
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Posted - 2010.10.13 15:01:00 -
[1022]
Why has this trend become so popular recent times? :( |
Shadow Lotus
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.14 07:34:00 -
[1023]
WTF CCP ?
I <3 dinosaurs, if not i wouldn't have played this game for so long in the first place
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helmut cheddar
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Posted - 2010.10.15 06:18:00 -
[1024]
no godamnit
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Helicity Boson
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.15 12:44:00 -
[1025]
no thanks CCP
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BoomBoomGoons
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Posted - 2010.10.18 20:50:00 -
[1026]
No remap for plex ccp getting greedy maybe change from 12 month to 6 month.
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Cousin Tom
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Posted - 2010.10.18 21:02:00 -
[1027]
I'd just like to thank ccp for going through with this despite the forum outpouring of tears.
Anyone who thinks this is stepping over some invisibile line is a moron.
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T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.18 23:45:00 -
[1028]
I'm not sure I really care, It's not a feature I'm ever likely to use but if someone else wants to pay $15 to squeze out a few extra SP let them.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.10.19 03:54:00 -
[1029]
Poastin
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Morar Santee
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:20:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Cousin Tom I'd just like to thank ccp for going through with this despite the forum outpouring of tears.
Anyone who thinks this is stepping over some invisibile line is a moron.
Said the two days old alt. Out of curiosity, do you already have your cerebral accelerator plugged in? 'Cause CCP would never give anyone who pays additional RL cash any type of advantage......
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Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.20 02:02:00 -
[1031]
CCP WTF
Have you forgotten HTFU!
We all have made some skilling mistakes, we all would like to redistribute some skill points from things we thought were awesome and then realize they sucked. But in reality we don't want that (if it involves people except from themselves to use that feature)the vast majority is going to rage about this feature (and use a remap anyways but rage)
This isn't just a fix to a ship that results in people getting all upset and then adopting the changes after a while. This is a bit more serious then just that.
Besides, you spend so much time and love getting logic in to the game. When you die you don't just respawn magically at some voodoo totem, no your brain is insured buy an insurance company and is transfered in to a new clone. So whats the deal now, some medical institute invented a way of erasing stuff from certain skill books and inserting other skill books instantaneously, and as only form of payment they accept is this card ting they cant do anything with? aka Arcade !
----- Ways this feature might get used, lets assume ccp is greedy and doesn't even limit the use of this feature. so player goes learnings all the way, learns useful stuff and then goes specialist in something as soon as he can. Then specializes in something else as he wishes. No significant advantage ? aha ! for me that guy is much much better of then some normal player ho only pays his 15euro subscription and has to skill stuff he might not especially want once he has the skills he wants but might need for the way to there.
If it gets limited say once every 6-12 month, quite a few people will likely train something they think is cool but then doesn't work for them leaving them with barely enough other skills to have a happy eve life. " Mining sucks I'm the borne FC, i need pimped leadership skills haha. ...2 days later ... no one listens to me, no one likes me, i suck a being an FC I'm the born zeptor pilot, probably >.> "
---- Bad for the player experiance: Many will use such a feature to specializ in certain things and not have those skills you sometimes train cos they only take two days for the once a year you actually use them.
Most players skill towards something, its exiting if you can board that ship or use that module or that amo you had to weight so long to use it. This will be the insta jump. boring -.-
I can't see you CCP considering such a addition to the game positive for the game experience, regardless if it helps fund further projects. If you need quick casch cos Bjorgolfur has sand in his va gina or whatever, make us a special deal or .............................. come to think of it, that man has quite some iching sand, raising a nameable fund might force you to go that dirty dark path but if you have fo go that way, and I'm fairly shure you will regardless of what we the comunity go that way at least 1. don' go any farther down that path then to that point. 2. strictly limit the use of that remap 3. DON'T claim these Pseudo Micro Transactions are Cool Stuff Everyone Likes cos going with the time and not being a dinosaur, Say its for the Money and that you Need that Money, And 4. Make Clear Limitations To MicroTansaktion Stuff You Will NOT Do, Like Ships and special clothing and -.- oh god i just realized whats going to happen >.> WIS aka Buy meaningless stuff for money in addition to your monthly subscription ... buy clothing, shoes, limited time jewelry, possibly re-tarded pets, special stuff for your bar, decoration for your captains quarters .... it all makes sense now
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KOSTAS CALDARIANOS
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Posted - 2010.10.20 13:18:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: Portmanteau
Quote: Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.
We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.
I honestly fail to see how a remap can be considered a vanity item! Let's see who has the "biggest" intelligence mod...i train harder than you and many other half-witted jokes like that... Jokes aside, it really saddens me to see the total lack of effort to even come up with a decent excuse.
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JcJet
Caldari Pretenders Inc Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.20 16:17:00 -
[1033]
So... No blue posts here, and no mentions in dev blogs so far... ---
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:26:00 -
[1034]
Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 21/10/2010 14:27:15 Simply WTF CCP |
Rumil d'Artane
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Posted - 2010.10.21 14:41:00 -
[1035]
I don't know
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.10.23 15:05:00 -
[1036]
Honestly, If there comes a time when SP can be bought or gained faster using money or isk, I will not resub.
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Aginor Foiritan
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:44:00 -
[1037]
WTF CCP?
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Helixios
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:44:00 -
[1038]
For the love of god NO - Battle Dust Proposal |
Almaria Assalla
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Posted - 2010.10.25 18:45:00 -
[1039]
/Supported
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Rickhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.25 19:03:00 -
[1040]
i bet that when it come out everybody here will use it lol
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.10.25 19:05:00 -
[1041]
Originally by: Rickhart i bet that when it come out everybody here will use it lol
WTF PLAYERS?
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Nishachara
Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2010.10.25 23:47:00 -
[1042]
wtf ccp ?
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T'Amber
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.26 00:20:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Leksi Bar'zuk
Originally by: Rickhart i bet that when it come out everybody here will use it lol
WTF PLAYERS?
of course lols. nature of the beast :)
THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH!
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.10.26 03:52:00 -
[1044]
**my opinion of course** New Eden and real life should be as far separated as possible.
I know we need to pay subscriptions, and PLEX makes that a more fluid process, but any other connections to the real world and the real dollar need to be avoided at all costs.
I vote no, and not just because the principle doesn't sit well with me, I've seen many forms of micro-transactions come and go throughout the years in my other MMOS, and most of the time it hurt or outright KILLED the game given enough time!
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Rickhart
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Posted - 2010.10.26 13:14:00 -
[1045]
Edited by: Rickhart on 26/10/2010 13:16:33 i dont see anything wrong with it its not like their gonna let you remap sp for plex supported.
EDIT: i agree wuth the above poster.
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Arjennn
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Posted - 2010.10.26 13:30:00 -
[1046]
Signed.
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Manipulator General
o.0
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Posted - 2010.10.26 15:22:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Martyr 01 WTF?
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
Shoot whoever's coming up with these *ucking horrible ideas.
Please do not discuss existence moderation.
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Vihura
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Posted - 2010.10.26 15:39:00 -
[1048]
Edited by: Vihura on 26/10/2010 15:42:06 DANGER e-peen in DANGER, this topic is full of ret___ards.
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Didier Oriol
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:06:00 -
[1049]
Supported
Plex for remap is a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD Idea
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:41:00 -
[1050]
Whats all the Panic about.
We can allready buy plexes and sell them ingame for isk.
That allready gives a bigger advantage than a neural remap which can be done for free once a year anyways.
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Rickhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.26 17:54:00 -
[1051]
you are absolutely right i'ma change my vote down these ******s are acting like it's some sort of sp remap
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Alvar Kesh
Ealurian Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.10.27 09:13:00 -
[1052]
WTF CCP
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Percivs
Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:17:00 -
[1053]
Originally by: Alvar Kesh WTF CCP
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Rouksobada Micyba
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:17:00 -
[1054]
Originally by: Alvar Kesh WTF CCP
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ZealotForHire
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:18:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Alvar Kesh WTF CCP
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Zergling Omega
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:19:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Alvar Kesh WTF CCP
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Unremarkable Patience
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Posted - 2010.10.28 06:21:00 -
[1057]
-1 more paying account No, you cannot have my stuff. |
Dovan Atar
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Posted - 2010.10.28 18:47:00 -
[1058]
No to remap for PLEX!
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Raptine Anders
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Posted - 2010.10.28 19:11:00 -
[1059]
Supported
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Egilmonsc
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.29 12:42:00 -
[1060]
Supported~ --- Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see. |
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Sebea
Silentread Logistics
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Posted - 2010.10.29 18:25:00 -
[1061]
IDGI what are people angry about, every other modern game out does micro transactions, why should we handicap the company that we pay while the competition all get rich over it?
Plus im pretty stoked about being able to remap whenever i want, i mean really, have you people even looked at the useless reqs on leadership skills? Do i REALLY want a high charisma for a frickin YEAR.
No, no i don't.
Don't listen to the gays CCP, I and many others will spend a great deal of money remapping through plex, and damn the ninny's along the way.
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Zoloft Rx
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:23:00 -
[1062]
NO PLEX FOR REMAPS!
No PLEX for ANYTHING except the 30 days of game time it represents. |
Rickhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:34:00 -
[1063]
Originally by: Zoloft Rx NO PLEX FOR REMAPS!
No PLEX for ANYTHING except the 30 days of game time it represents.
and isk omg
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Zoloft Rx
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:45:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: Rickhart
Originally by: Zoloft Rx NO PLEX FOR REMAPS!
No PLEX for ANYTHING except the 30 days of game time it represents.
and isk omg
I'm referring to the destruction of the PLEX. When CCP removes it from the game, someone should only get 30 days of game time.
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Codey28
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Posted - 2010.10.29 22:32:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: Percivs
Originally by: Alvar Kesh WTF CCP
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Sujanra Acoma
Shadow Kitty Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.30 06:07:00 -
[1066]
Edited by: Sujanra Acoma on 30/10/2010 06:11:37 Microtransactions may lead to increased revenue, but not to a better game.
I played LOTRO for a couple days, and nothing was more jarring than "YOU MUST PAY 250 TURBINE POINTS TO DO THIS DUNGEON" or whatever. Totally breaks immersion and ruins the fun of the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:45:00 -
[1067]
Mechanics should apply equally to everyone. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
ceaon
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:26:00 -
[1068]
CCP do what ever you want many ppl will be ****ed and perpetuum go live in few weeks up to you
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:42:00 -
[1069]
meh
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Krystyn
Caldari Serenity Rising LLC Vanguard.
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Posted - 2010.10.31 01:13:00 -
[1070]
The road to hell is paved with micro transactions.
I'll just have to dust off my consoles if eve goes that way. That is just not the game I want to play.
Macro miners are already a pain in the ass why is CCP trying to roll out things that are unbalancing and silly instead of fixing the stuff that needs work now. Like Lag and macrominers and illegal RMT stuff.
I can't believe that CCP can't immediately spot 23/7 macro miners just by simple parsing of playtime logs.
If CCP needs a few more bucks to keep the game going right just up the subscription a bit. I'd would happily pay an extra few bucks to keep things going the right direction instead of having rich people buy their way to the top moreso than they already can
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Velan Wolf
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Posted - 2010.10.31 07:49:00 -
[1071]
Agreed, this is a step in the wrong direction.
Supported
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Atius Tirawa
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.31 23:04:00 -
[1072]
bump for justice, and for support -
the cons list is also important to look at CCP. . . -----------
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2010.10.31 23:56:00 -
[1073]
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Akima Jarka
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.06 22:43:00 -
[1074]
/signed --- "It does the sheep no good to preach the goodness of a diet of grass, if the wolves are of a different mind." - Nathan Rahl |
soldaat 3
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.06 23:24:00 -
[1075]
NOoooo CCP dont do this! really verry bad idea.
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Xyzibyte
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Posted - 2010.11.06 23:58:00 -
[1076]
i also say no to microtransactions ... not even neural remap!
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John Alper
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.11.07 02:51:00 -
[1077]
I don't like the idea of plex for remaps.
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Ancyker
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Posted - 2010.11.07 09:42:00 -
[1078]
I will not buy PLEX (with ISK or with $) to obtain remaps, however, I am not against other people doing it.
I am impartial. This change does not effect me and it seems it doesn't really effect anyone. Most of the people downing it seem to think it will just be the start of something bigger. If it stops here, I don't care if it's added.
As much as I'd personally love the idea of me being able to buy SP for $, it's no fun if everyone else can, so I do have to down vote that. lol.
PS. To everyone that's all "MICRO TRANSACTIONS ARE THE DEVIL!!11 EBIL I SAY, EBIL!!!!1111" I have 2 things to say: 1- $17.50 (it's not $15, why does everyone keep saying that? It's $35/2 = $17.50) is hardly a MICRO transaction. 2- CCP is obviously aware that they will have to add them eventually to compete with other MMOs.
Now, poor CCP is like, well if we can't add that #%^@#^ what do we add then?!?! I came up with the following: 1- Skins for ships! I'd buy those. I'd pay maybe $1/skin ($2/skin if it was themed in a way that was licensed from someone else, see example below) as long as there was enough that it'd be somewhat unique. If there was only 2 choices/ship, I would not pay; if there was 10+ I would. (I would absolutely NOT pay if the skin was lost with the ship destruction even if it was 10 cents per skin)
YOU KNOW YOU WANT ONE! ADMIT IT! 2- $5 extra / month to train an additional character on the same account. So I could train 2 characters instead of just 1. 3- I would also pay for non-melted snowballs. $1 for 1,000 kthx.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.11.07 17:54:00 -
[1079]
We already have microtransactions.
Pay $35 for 2 plex, sell plex, buy nifty battleship.
So I think you guys should be more precise in your protest.
I hear two things(my interpretation), which are the following:
1) High SP characters should remain unique. In other words, you shouldn't be able to buy SP, or train SP faster (remaps) by using ISK or $$. This preserves the uniqueness of high SP characters and makes them more rare. I agree w/ this.
2) Plex should be the sole link between $$ and ISK, and the price should remain high. No one wants "You must pay $1 to fight in system XUY-023" or "To buy that skillbook, you need $2." By keeping plex relatively expensive, it prevents this type of thinking (even though economically it is still part of the game). That helps roleplaying. Also decreases the hassle factor.
FWIW - SP are currently purchaseable via the character bazaar. So it is inaccurate to say "No $$ for SP." The supply of characters, however, is very constrained, and the transfer fee sets a floor on the types of characters that are tradeable.
If the transfer fee is removed, we could very easily see a character bazaar filled with all types of characters trained in just 1 skill... in that way you could buy skills. But as is - at $20 or 725M ISK - it is too expensive to have trade such characters. That menas it is only practical to buy characters are the upper levels of the game or with significant $$ investment (2B ISK = $35 x 3 = $105)
I think the discussion would be much better with more succint points.
1) Keep SP purchasing rare. 2) Maintain the $$ to ISK exchange rate at $35 minimum (regardless of ISK value).
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Amarantha Morgana
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Posted - 2010.11.09 08:54:00 -
[1080]
supported, please no microtransactions.
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LordElfa
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Posted - 2010.11.09 09:13:00 -
[1081]
Originally by: Amarantha Morgana supported, please no microtransactions.
Supported or not, its pointless now as its already been decided.
As they say, its all over but for the crying. I guess we can't win em all, carry on.
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Tather Demaleon
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Posted - 2010.11.11 05:23:00 -
[1082]
Originally by: Machete Visor We already have microtransactions.
Pay $35 for 2 plex, sell plex, buy nifty battleship.
So I think you guys should be more precise in your protest.
I hear two things(my interpretation), which are the following:
1) High SP characters should remain unique. In other words, you shouldn't be able to buy SP, or train SP faster (remaps) by using ISK or $$. This preserves the uniqueness of high SP characters and makes them more rare. I agree w/ this.
2) Plex should be the sole link between $$ and ISK, and the price should remain high. No one wants "You must pay $1 to fight in system XUY-023" or "To buy that skillbook, you need $2." By keeping plex relatively expensive, it prevents this type of thinking (even though economically it is still part of the game). That helps roleplaying. Also decreases the hassle factor.
FWIW - SP are currently purchaseable via the character bazaar. So it is inaccurate to say "No $$ for SP." The supply of characters, however, is very constrained, and the transfer fee sets a floor on the types of characters that are tradeable.
If the transfer fee is removed, we could very easily see a character bazaar filled with all types of characters trained in just 1 skill... in that way you could buy skills. But as is - at $20 or 725M ISK - it is too expensive to have trade such characters. That menas it is only practical to buy characters are the upper levels of the game or with significant $$ investment (2B ISK = $35 x 3 = $105)
I think the discussion would be much better with more succint points.
1) Keep SP purchasing rare. 2) Maintain the $$ to ISK exchange rate at $35 minimum (regardless of ISK value).
When you trade a plex you are trading "30 days game time" and swapping for isk. This isk isn't generated from no-where, same as buying a character - someone has spent the time to train it.
Swapping a plex for services can be ingame cost to out of game benefit, and out of game cost to out of game benefit, but it doesn't effect ingame.
Being able to purchase ingame items soley from rl money opens up the out of game cost to ingame benefit which is where things get dodgey. If these microtransactions use plex then its pretty much the same thing that happens now as long as these items are destroyable and/or vanity only, if they use another currency to make sure that the plex market isn't unduly effected then this leads to the darkside.
I haven't yet seen CCP mention if these microtransactions would use plex or not, although its probably a sure thing, but i hope to gods if they do turn to the dark side that its paved with plex and not cash.
The biggest problem other than that is that ccp says this is only a test.
<cough>
sure it is.
Didn't you just get a massive million dollar cash injection from your shareholders/ investers??? Is this the reason for the double dipping?
hmm.
wtf CCP.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.11 08:19:00 -
[1083]
Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 11/11/2010 08:19:52
Originally by: Tather Demaleon
When you trade a plex you are trading "30 days game time" and swapping for isk. This isk isn't generated from no-where, same as buying a character - someone has spent the time to train it.
Swapping a plex for services can be ingame cost to out of game benefit, and out of game cost to out of game benefit, but it doesn't effect ingame.
You are right, th isk is not generated from nowhee, it is generated from RL-money. Instead of using that money to buy things in the economy and keeping the economic system close to the outside world, evry economic transaction ingame now does not have a solely internal economic mechanism to explain it. In effect, all th economic analysis in eve is completly broken because of this. It would be the same if we tried to measure todays economy but also include some kind of religious metaphysical currency into the mix - i.e. the reason you are rich is because god loves you and rewards you with money. With Character transfers, the problem is different because it is even more removed from the game in terms of economy.
basically, with the way PLEX works right now, eve is not a sandbox, and the addition of more ways to use PLEX will continue to degrade that to the point it becomes a mere marketing scheme. Should the PLEX market be taken out and characer bazzar terminated, then the game will return to being a true sandbox again.
The debate on what is and what is not spacifically a MT is academic, the effect it has in the game is very much evident in the requests people make in th suggestions forums and the culture that has emerged in the past year of people taking for granted the isk to dollar ratio and profiting ingame off of it. i cannot see th difference between RMT and PLEX oteh then who makes th money, and how accountable and controled that process is - but the end result is the same. Money buys isk. -----------
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Ryan Starwing
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.12 11:47:00 -
[1084]
Edited by: Ryan Starwing on 12/11/2010 11:50:15 Whats next Plex for sp, and next how about remove the gametime you get from it and instead make it needed to fly anything bigger then a t1 cruiser on top of the subscription. How about after that being able to buy a special ship for alot of plexs that not even concord can stop and the only way to kill it would be by paying plexs to get the counter ship that is only good against it.
You kind of see my point this wont go anywere good (I dont mind plex for game time and I also pay for my game by buying plex off the market). Also plex for neural remaps does not make sence plex=pilots licenes extension (or something like that).
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Lusulpher
Sinister Elite Supremacy.
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Posted - 2010.11.12 12:02:00 -
[1085]
At least the macros can PLEX remap into Hulks and Orcas using their RMT money...
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0SpaceRaider0
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Posted - 2010.11.15 09:53:00 -
[1086]
NO MICROPAYMENT! NO PLEX FOR ANYTHING!
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.11.15 20:23:00 -
[1087]
NO.
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Not T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:05:00 -
[1088]
WIN!!!!
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND POSTED THEIR COMMENTS!!! PLEX FOR NEURAL REMAP HAS BEEN SHELVED!! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815
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ColdBeauty
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:33:00 -
[1089]
Originally by: Not T'amber
WIN!!!!
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND POSTED THEIR COMMENTS!!! PLEX FOR NEURAL REMAP HAS BEEN SHELVED!! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815
easily first \o/
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LordElfa
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Posted - 2010.11.22 23:04:00 -
[1090]
Congratulations to everyone on letting your paranoia stall out the plans for ALL neural remaps. You've managed to accomplished exactly what the OP expressly said he didn't want this thread to do.
This isn't a victory, it's scorched earth as CCP didn't just shelf their plans for PLEX for remap but ALL neural changes they were working on.
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.23 06:48:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: LordElfa Congratulations to everyone on letting your paranoia stall out the plans for ALL neural remaps. You've managed to accomplished exactly what the OP expressly said he didn't want this thread to do.
This isn't a victory, it's scorched earth as CCP didn't just shelf their plans for PLEX for remap but ALL neural changes they were working on.
what a surprise, once again you are whining about the game not being made easier for you
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Frozen T'amber
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:22:00 -
[1092]
Originally by: LordElfa Congratulations to everyone on letting your paranoia stall out the plans for ALL neural remaps. You've managed to accomplished exactly what the OP expressly said he didn't want this thread to do.
This isn't a victory, it's scorched earth as CCP didn't just shelf their plans for PLEX for remap but ALL neural changes they were working on.
Yes aswell them reconfirming vanity MTs this is the other negative to this announcement. It also worries me as why would they completely removed this option if not to reintroduce it later when people are ok with MTs? While I do not think we should have unlimited NMs I do not see why they couldn't be gained through another mechanism, like the LP store.
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Zevran Arainai
Free Space Tech Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.23 08:51:00 -
[1093]
Originally by: Not T'amber
WIN!!!!
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO VOTED AND POSTED THEIR COMMENTS!!! PLEX FOR NEURAL REMAP HAS BEEN SHELVED!! http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815
Well done,CCP.I love you
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James Marlow
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Posted - 2010.11.23 21:57:00 -
[1094]
Hear, hear!
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AFK Hauler
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Posted - 2010.11.24 05:48:00 -
[1095]
I say vote NO to this.
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