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King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
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Posted - 2010.11.05 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: volhar Someone with huge stockpiles has been trying to push it down for a few days, I think its remarkable that it has held this well...
Started a week back with stocks of 200k ... appearantly it didnt work as he/thhey wanted and currently throwing multiple 200k stocks , a 400k AND a 500k on there.
If tech doesnt hit 62 now i dunno what will.
What makes you think its someone trying to push it down and not a group that had previously propped it up frustrated that the price was not breaking a seal, thus dropping their interest in the manipulation.
I think what we are seeing here is a relaxed control of the Northern entities coupled with the speculators who had held for so long selling off due to lack of price increase. I think someone called 50k by the holidays and I would not be surprised to see that happen. Home of the Free Eden TS3 Server for small corps:
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.05 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: King Aires
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: volhar Someone with huge stockpiles has been trying to push it down for a few days, I think its remarkable that it has held this well...
Started a week back with stocks of 200k ... appearantly it didnt work as he/thhey wanted and currently throwing multiple 200k stocks , a 400k AND a 500k on there.
If tech doesnt hit 62 now i dunno what will.
What makes you think its someone trying to push it down and not a group that had previously propped it up frustrated that the price was not breaking a seal, thus dropping their interest in the manipulation.
I think what we are seeing here is a relaxed control of the Northern entities coupled with the speculators who had held for so long selling off due to lack of price increase. I think someone called 50k by the holidays and I would not be surprised to see that happen.
Could well be the case but then it's done in a verry bad way.Both with timing and with volume.Offcourse for some profit is profit even if they kill their own with a big % in the end.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.11.05 18:59:00 -
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There are a few players that have been trying very hard to crash Technetium for a while now. You see them undercut with 5-6 orders between the same 2-3 people by 1-2k every couple weeks. Its expected the the climb Tech took would attract speculators who don't have a clue about how commodities work and strange dumb plans would be hatched during a slow period like this.
Wherever tech drops to as speculators exit it's still going to have an underlying supply/demand problem. The active attempt to crash tech (not sure if thats whats going on today, haven't been on to check) says someone really wants to reinvest but thinks they should get a low price.
Maybe the manipulation is running low on Tech and they are hoping the last of their stock will be enough to push the price down so they can resupply. If they didn't know what they are doing that kind of plan would be easy to come up with.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.11.05 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: King Aires
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: volhar Someone with huge stockpiles has been trying to push it down for a few days, I think its remarkable that it has held this well...
Started a week back with stocks of 200k ... appearantly it didnt work as he/thhey wanted and currently throwing multiple 200k stocks , a 400k AND a 500k on there.
If tech doesnt hit 62 now i dunno what will.
What makes you think its someone trying to push it down and not a group that had previously propped it up frustrated that the price was not breaking a seal, thus dropping their interest in the manipulation.
I think what we are seeing here is a relaxed control of the Northern entities coupled with the speculators who had held for so long selling off due to lack of price increase. I think someone called 50k by the holidays and I would not be surprised to see that happen.
It seems extremely doubtful that anyone who had been propping the market up or speculating on it would dump their stock in such a heavy handed way, so as to guarantee that they would lose more money than necessary on the cash out. It would also be a very surprising coincidence if they had just happened to place accidental blocking orders in the most effective places, leaving them in place until they had gained the precise result that manipulators would be looking for, before bringing them down to squeeze prices down a bit further. It would also be rather strange for people who were cashing out in such a careless way to replace any blocking orders that got eaten through on an almost mechanical basis, making no effort to soften the blows of their own sell offs and acting in such a way as to devalue the remainder of their own stocks. Of course, it's possible. But if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and places market orders like a duck then ...
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.11.05 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: corestwo on 05/11/2010 23:45:41
Originally by: King Aires
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: volhar Someone with huge stockpiles has been trying to push it down for a few days, I think its remarkable that it has held this well...
Started a week back with stocks of 200k ... appearantly it didnt work as he/thhey wanted and currently throwing multiple 200k stocks , a 400k AND a 500k on there.
If tech doesnt hit 62 now i dunno what will.
What makes you think its someone trying to push it down and not a group that had previously propped it up frustrated that the price was not breaking a seal, thus dropping their interest in the manipulation.
I think what we are seeing here is a relaxed control of the Northern entities coupled with the speculators who had held for so long selling off due to lack of price increase. I think someone called 50k by the holidays and I would not be surprised to see that happen.
Tech has been steadily dropping and you still think there is any sort of active control by Northern entities.
That's cute.
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King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
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Posted - 2010.11.06 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo Edited by: corestwo on 05/11/2010 23:45:41
Originally by: King Aires
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: volhar Someone with huge stockpiles has been trying to push it down for a few days, I think its remarkable that it has held this well...
Started a week back with stocks of 200k ... appearantly it didnt work as he/thhey wanted and currently throwing multiple 200k stocks , a 400k AND a 500k on there.
If tech doesnt hit 62 now i dunno what will.
What makes you think its someone trying to push it down and not a group that had previously propped it up frustrated that the price was not breaking a seal, thus dropping their interest in the manipulation.
I think what we are seeing here is a relaxed control of the Northern entities coupled with the speculators who had held for so long selling off due to lack of price increase. I think someone called 50k by the holidays and I would not be surprised to see that happen.
Tech has been steadily dropping and you still think there is any sort of active control by Northern entities.
That's cute.
Good day sir That was my point, I don't think there is active control, precisely because of some new people I see in Deklein. Again I say good day Home of the Free Eden TS3 Server for small corps:
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.06 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: King Aires
Good day sir [...] Again I say good day
Are you Fez from "That 70s Show" ?
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.11.06 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: King Aires
Good day sir That was my point, I don't think there is active control, precisely because of some new people I see in Deklein. Again I say good day
Allow me to correct myself.
"You think there ever was any sort of active control by Northern entities.
That's cute."
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.06 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
"You think there ever was any sort of active control by Northern entities.
Yeah that one also always makes me conversely giggle and snort with derision.
(I'm NC btw)
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.06 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
(I'm NC btw)
Who isn't
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Kesper North
Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.06 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: King Aires
Good day sir That was my point, I don't think there is active control, precisely because of some new people I see in Deklein. Again I say good day
Allow me to correct myself.
"You think there ever was any sort of active control by Northern entities.
That's cute."
But there was. We tried to fix the price at 35k. -- Killed me? Read about it in my blog! Northern Lights: Solo PVP in EVE Online
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.07 01:33:00 -
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looks like whoever is messing with tech has abandoned all pretenses of subtlety... 800K order up
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.11.07 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: volhar looks like whoever is messing with tech has abandoned all pretenses of subtlety... 800K order up
And that plunged it down into the mid 50's on buy side too. Tempting, I must admit.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.07 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Originally by: volhar looks like whoever is messing with tech has abandoned all pretenses of subtlety... 800K order up
And that plunged it down into the mid 50's on buy side too. Tempting, I must admit.
Ouch there indeed just noticed.
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Inbrainsane
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Posted - 2010.11.07 10:10:00 -
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Someone dumped a big load into buy orders, that is all. I got me some below 60k. Nothing has fundamentally changed, Tech is the bottleneck of T2 Production and T2 is becomeing more and more standard. Until CCP brings the nerf, there is only one way for Tech: up.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.11.07 11:38:00 -
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I'm starting to lean more towards the Akita T conspiracy. This all started right when VV called Akita T a market maker.
So now the name of the game is how low will Tech go before we all buy back in.
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King Aires
Kwame's Executive Protection Detail
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Posted - 2010.11.07 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish I'm starting to lean more towards the Akita T conspiracy. This all started right when VV called Akita T a market maker.
So now the name of the game is how low will Tech go before we all buy back in.
It does absolutely no good to the Tech market to have a bunch of speculators buying in all the time. All it does is create an artificial rise in price and then an artificial drop like we are seeing now. When non-consumers buy in, it create back up stockpiles, these have to be sold some time and when they are, the price tanks.
To see the true market value of Technetium, people need to stop treating it like a cash rollercoaster. The same thing happens with oil in real life, people are using it as a prop against inflation betting that oil will go up as the value of their currency goes down. The problem is, we have massive stockpiles of the stuff and eventually a crash will occur (like when it went from 140 to 70). Home of the Free Eden TS3 Server for small corps:
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.07 13:45:00 -
[198]
Originally by: PinkFish
So now the name of the game is how low will Tech go before we all buy back in.
It's getting close aint it
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.11.09 22:08:00 -
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I love you Market Cop
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.11.09 22:30:00 -
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SELL NOW . IT IS ONLY 55k. Speculators made all the profit.
If you you keep tech in station , you lost eve.
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.09 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 SELL NOW . IT IS ONLY 55k. Speculators made all the profit.
If you you keep tech in station , you lost eve.
subtle
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Herman Klaus
Caldari Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2010.11.10 02:35:00 -
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So there's a buy order up at 54501.19 for 3.5m units. hmmm
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Herman Klaus So there's a buy order up at 54501.19 for 3.5m units. hmmm
Margin trading ftw
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:17:00 -
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even with margin trading, that still counterbalances the 800K sell stack... the min volume is set at one so if you sell to it it will go through (up to a certain point)
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.11.10 15:51:00 -
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That buy order will set the price skywards. I just managed to buy a little at 56k today, I should have had more liquids to buy everything below 60K :( tomorrow the price will be 65 is my guess. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market |
volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.10 16:09:00 -
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also depends on what Mr. Bigstack McManipulator does... if he decides the game is up and pulls down the massive orders, then it might get fun
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Billy Hardcore
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.10 18:22:00 -
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Tech's already up 5% today, the manipulators are swinging it again. 3.5m unit floor is a pretty big (titan) sign.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.11.11 10:45:00 -
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Where did that buy order go?
Is there any floor to broker fees or can you get them down to 0% with perfect standings? If there is a floor, what's the minimum that placing and removing that order could have cost?
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.11.11 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23 Where did that buy order go?
Is there any floor to broker fees or can you get them down to 0% with perfect standings? If there is a floor, what's the minimum that placing and removing that order could have cost?
There is a floor, there are some MD threads explaining it if you search. I am guessing it must have cost 100 mil? ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market |
volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.11 12:42:00 -
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The floor is around 0.2% I believe
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