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Bilbo Baggin
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.24 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Johney Stardust Edited by: Johney Stardust on 24/11/2010 05:56:28 While in a private channel I was told that T'amber purchased the 800k block. Sounded like they had sell orders either side of it.
So that means Jakkin? since the character was sold.
Interesting I thought.
T'Amber got around 200k off me also
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.11.24 06:50:00 -
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T'amber's current owner also was responsible for taking Robotics from 50k to 57k this weekend, for what it's worth.
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.11.24 09:44:00 -
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so - when is ccp going to change this passive income?
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Inbrainsane
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Posted - 2010.11.24 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Inbrainsane on 24/11/2010 10:07:27
Originally by: Inbrainsane Someone dumped a big load into buy orders, that is all. I got me some below 60k. Nothing has fundamentally changed, Tech is the bottleneck of T2 Production and T2 is becomeing more and more standard. Until CCP brings the nerf, there is only one way for Tech: up.
I made a billion by buying below 60k and selling it now.
Originally by: zz01shagsme so - when is ccp going to change this passive income?
Are you joking? Do you have a slight idea how many fleet operations (several hours long, hundreds of players) have to be conducted to acquire, hold and protect Tech Moon POS?
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.11.24 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Inbrainsane Edited by: Inbrainsane on 24/11/2010 10:07:27
Originally by: Inbrainsane Someone dumped a big load into buy orders, that is all. I got me some below 60k. Nothing has fundamentally changed, Tech is the bottleneck of T2 Production and T2 is becomeing more and more standard. Until CCP brings the nerf, there is only one way for Tech: up.
I made a billion by buying below 60k and selling it now.
Originally by: zz01shagsme so - when is ccp going to change this passive income?
Are you joking? Do you have a slight idea how many fleet operations (several hours long, hundreds of players) have to be conducted to acquire, hold and protect Tech Moon POS?
Actually I do, and what has that got to do with it? its a joke that those that are lucky enough to sit on a tech moon can make a lot of isk just by hauling it to jita and dont give me bullcrap about hauling it and risk etc... i run two fulleride poses so i know about it...and for that matter i do it in a system on my own.
correct me if i am wrong but there currently isnt any need to hold the moons becuase no one is fighting?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:03:00 -
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so - when is ccp going to change this passive income?
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AnakieNine
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: zz01shagsme
correct me if i am wrong but there currently isnt any need to hold the moons becuase no one is fighting?
Maybe? http://www.evenews24.com/2010/11/20/tenal-attacked-by-new-pandemia/
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zz01shagsme
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Posted - 2010.11.24 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: AnakieNine
Originally by: zz01shagsme
correct me if i am wrong but there currently isnt any need to hold the moons becuase no one is fighting?
Maybe? http://www.evenews24.com/2010/11/20/tenal-attacked-by-new-pandemia/
uhmm didn't know that....In all accounts PL are very good at what they do. Does this mean you expect the off spring of Technetium reactions will increase in price? I am looking and seeing the 70K tech price not being covered by Jita prices.
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.24 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: zz01shagsme
uhmm didn't know that....In all accounts PL are very good at what they do. Does this mean you expect the off spring of Technetium reactions will increase in price? I am looking and seeing the 70K tech price not being covered by Jita prices.
Edit: or warrant an outlay of 1.4bill a week for 15m profit a day?
There's nothing magical about Pandemic Legion either. There's always war in 0.0. You have to have the power to hold the tech moon against invaders (and use it on a regular basis so that people stay interested and sharp). You also have to worry about spies, small gangs looking for kills, etc. These add considerable risk and cost (mostly in player time consumed) to tech moon mining.
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volhar
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Posted - 2010.11.24 13:42:00 -
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Now the question is: is it a patient buyer, waiting for Tech's true price, or a pump and dump?
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Inbrainsane
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Posted - 2010.11.24 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Inbrainsane on 24/11/2010 20:29:31
Originally by: zz01shagsme
Actually I do, and what has that got to do with it? its a joke that those that are lucky enough to sit on a tech moon can make a lot of isk just by hauling it to jita and dont give me bullcrap about hauling it and risk etc... i run two fulleride poses so i know about it...and for that matter i do it in a system on my own.
correct me if i am wrong but there currently isnt any need to hold the moons becuase no one is fighting?
I have to correct you, you are wrong. There are fights over Tech moons every day. You are not "lucky enough", you are "strong enough" to have tech moons. And that strength is contested all the time. If you fail to fight back, everyone and his dog comes after your Tech Moons and after your space. Noone cares about your ****ty fullerides POS. Everyone knows where the tech moons are. And yes, there is constant fighting going on in 0.0 space.
Originally by: zz01shagsme
Does this mean you expect the off spring of Technetium reactions will increase in price?
No, why would it? PL is not stupid. If you kill a Tech Moon POS you put up your own POS immediately and a few hours later Tech is flowing again.
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Manipulation Attempt
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:24:00 -
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Time to take another look. Following a month of inactivity the big sell orders slowly chipped away, and now we're testing 75k again. My expectation is to see another medium sized retraction around 80k to upper 60s again. Then the roadblocks to 100k will be eroded and gone.
Hope you didn't sell off and leave this big money maker of a market.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.01.10 16:55:00 -
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I doubt it. Akita just dropped half a million units at 75k so it's unlikely to move up to 80+ for a while. Once the patch comes, though, people will be more comfortable with buying the market up so that might move things on a bit faster.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/01/2011 17:26:48
Originally by: RAW23 I doubt it. Akita just dropped half a million units at 75k so it's unlikely to move up to 80+ for a while. Once the patch comes, though, people will be more comfortable with buying the market up so that might move things on a bit faster.
I had 250k at 70k for well over a month before that... and I seriously doubt I am anywhere near the largest tech stockpile holder. Then again, the daily trade volume is hovering to about double of what I just placed, so you never know. _
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Manipulation Attempt
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:29:00 -
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So did Akita drop 500k units to sell Tech or to buy Tech?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/01/2011 17:33:58 Source RAW23 was citing Had 3.5 mil, put up 500k for sale at 75k, next batch will probably be around 1 mil at 80k. I like big round numbers. Doesn't everybody ? Plus I'm really lazy. I hate babysitting orders. _
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:35:00 -
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It is a little ironic that, having talked up the prospects of tech reaching 100k plus prices, Akita is now providing some of the biggest obstacles to it achieving those prices soon.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.10 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/01/2011 17:43:27
I'm also contrarian like that BTW, the near-50k ceiling that lasted nearly 1 week in the distant past, that was my 1 mil units at 50k that helped there, if memory serves right
It makes some sense though, for tech to reach decent enough prices sooner, it needs to grow steadily so that technetium consumers don't get too spooked nor flock in/out too fast. In the long run, a steadily growing pricetag reaches equilibrium faster than a seesawing commodity. There's more profit to be had in trade from one that seesaws, true, but then again, you need to be around and fight for your order placements, which I just won't be doing, so... _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.01.11 09:55:00 -
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Do you see the price of technetium products sawing too?
The reason why i ask is because I do not fancy spending 1.5 bil + to run a reaction pos for a week to get anything lesss than 30m profit a day.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.12 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: SetrakDark on 12/01/2011 17:08:45 Well I finally cashed in during the last peak after holding since 25k pu. Considering all my efforts were going towards running a null-sec corporation, it was a great way to increase my capital with no effort. However, I've realized that although demand still outstrips production at 70k, there are a ton of people still holding vast stockpiles. Every time the price peaks its head above 70k, another million or so units get cashed by different holders. My guess is 6 months to a year before you see a steady price above 70k, with a lot of low 60s in between now and then.
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: SetrakDark there are a ton of people still holding vast stockpiles.
I think I've alluded to as much on a few occasions earlier
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:19:00 -
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While I doubt anyone here still thinks of tech moons as i-Win buttons, it's worth keeping in mind that there are serious battles over these things. For example, on January 2, there was a big shindig between Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition (go NC!). 8 titans and 1 mothership got turned into Minmatari art. There were a bunch of other expensive ships ground into dust during this fight (including 18 strategic cruisers!). I gather the current titan price is somewhere around 60 billion for the hull. So we're probably looking at well over half a trillion isk just in titan kills and virtually all of it is uninsured.
At a guess, I gather that's something like 8.5 years output of a tech moon, assuming it was all sold in Jita. That's one way you add to the cost of keeping tech moons.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:04:00 -
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did it go over 75k last night? --
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS did it go over 75k last night?
No, but a 50k chunk has been taken out of Akita's blocking order at 75k isk.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: RaTTuS did it go over 75k last night?
No, but a 50k chunk has been taken out of Akita's blocking order at 75k isk.
50K in that time eh .. at that rate it'll be past 75K in a few months :D It's reached a price points now where any heavy investment comes with some serious risk and a long long wait to recoup, so that 500K order could very well hold for a long time.
Then again someone with lots of isk and not a care in the world might buy it all out.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: RaTTuS did it go over 75k last night?
No, but a 50k chunk has been taken out of Akita's blocking order at 75k isk.
50K in that time eh .. at that rate it'll be past 75K in a few months :D It's reached a price points now where any heavy investment comes with some serious risk and a long long wait to recoup, so that 500K order could very well hold for a long time.
Then again someone with lots of isk and not a care in the world might buy it all out.
Well, it's hardly surprising that it will take a while to burn through a stack worth 37.5 billion isk. In order to even touch Akita's stack, which has only been there for a few days, quite a lot of other 100k stacks have already been burnt through. Personally, I was surprised that it was even touched this soon since it shows that even with the stock dumping at this price point, demand is outstripping supply by a fair margin.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.26 05:39:00 -
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.10 12:49:00 -
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Oh My 81k
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.02.10 14:07:00 -
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I'm still not bullish about tech in the 80k+ range. I underestimated the strength of the steady non-speculative demand at this price, but I've convinced myself of the vast stockpiles still to go. Furthermore, I think the people who hold them are the kind of people who only check in every few weeks, so we'll still see some big dips as huge stockpiles are sold off in a delayed response to price increases.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.21 13:08:00 -
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my wallet just got BIG --
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