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Calfador
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:03:00 -
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First heres my fit and skills:
[Perfect Starter Lv4 Mission raven] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Shield Boost Amplifier I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,Paradise Cruise Missile
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Caldari BS Skill is at level 3.
The problem is im just doing far to low dps in level 4 missions, lets take angel extravanganza for example, in the first pocket it took 10 minutes just to kill two Gist Warlords. I was using the right missles (explosives) and honestly have no idea where im going wrong. I was volleying for 660 every 11.69 seconds which is about 60dps, which I know is really low. Is it my skills? My fit? Thanks for advice.
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xXx Vice
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:34:00 -
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Missiles should do more damage thing it unfair compared to the rest of the weapons
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:34:00 -
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Ideally, you want all the missile support skills at IV. For now, get them all to III ASAP. You'll want to get cruise missiles to V so that you can use tech II launchers and Fury ammo (+15% damage) but you'll need Rigor rigs in place of the Capacitor rigs to make Fury missiles work well.
Warhead Upgrades increases damage.
Rapid Launch, Caldari Battleships, and Cruise Missiles increases your rate of fire.
Guided Missile Precision increases the efficiency of your damage. If your missile's explosion radius is bigger than the target ship's signature size, you'll do less damage. Missile Damage Formulas. A standard cruise missile has a 300m explosion radius. Against a Guristas battleship with a 400m signature, you'll hit for full damage. Against a cruiser with a 125m signature, you'll hit for at most 125 / 400 = 31% damage.
Target Navigation Prediction helps your missiles hit fast moving targets. If your explosion velocity is less than than the target's velocity, you'll do less damage. (It's a bit more complicated than that, refer to the missile damage formulas.)
Upgrade to Ballistic Control System IIs. In the future, you'll want to use Caldari Navy BCU's, but they're expensive.
You can also use a Cap Booster to feed your shield. This will free up the capacitor rigs for Rigor rigs. Rigor rigs will make it easier to hit smaller targets for full damage with your missiles.
Another big damage boost is getting a Caldari Navy Raven (CNR) which has 7 launchers.
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Sol Fallstaff
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:43:00 -
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I'd say you need to get all the missile support skills to at least 4, your missile skills at present need a lot of improving.
train the following to at least 4.
cruise missiles guided missile precision rapid launch target navigation prediction warheads
also fit better Ballistic Control Systems and get some cheap missile implants the 3% ones.
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Calfador
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:52:00 -
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cheers guys
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.09.25 14:58:00 -
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Also keep in mind missiles do pure damage type so you can use the right damage type to hit the weakest resist for that faction. Making their effective DPS a lot higher than the EFT DPS in comparison, you can use EFT's DPS graph feature to compare and set the Defender to similiar shield and armor resists.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.25 15:39:00 -
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àalso, in this particular case, you're fighting Angels, which have (relatively) small and fast ships while you have nothing that makes your missiles cope with these factors. As a result, they'll mitigate quite a lot of the incoming damage.
You'll probably want to look into fitting rigor rigs and target painter(s), as well as getting that guided missile projection skill up, as well as bumping that target navigation prediction. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:15:00 -
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The way most low sp raven pilots start is using a cap booster fit, faction cruiser missiles, and as many damage mods/rigs as will fit.
Essentially, 4 BCUs with DC in the lows, three hardners, Shield Booster, Cap booster, TP or boost amp depending on the amount of tank you need, and three warhead rigor catalyst rigs.
Don't forget to use CN Cruise missiles to break otherwise daunting battleships rats. It's not cost effective, but it's better than nothin.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Caleidascope on 25/09/2010 18:00:36
Like others said. I think you need to skill up a bit more.
Early on it took me hours to do level 4 missions solo in raven and typhoon. I still did them and then in two months or so later I got my missile support skills to 4 and 5, and things got a lot easier.
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2010.09.26 00:58:00 -
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thanks for posting this topic and the replies. i'm in the mists of cross training caldari and had the same questions
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Moose Burger
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:21:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with the raven.
Firstly use liang's fit, with 4BCU and 3 rigors. This is quite important as a battleship pilot, as you want to do 100% damage to anything bigger then a cruiser.
Secondly, i can finish angel extravaganza, with 1.7-2M SP flying the raven well within 40 minutes, why? Well. Here is the reason
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.26 07:47:00 -
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[Raven, Basic] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II
100MN Afterburner II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
[empty high slot] Small Tractor Beam I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
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geojumper
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:28:00 -
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When you get your skills up (all support at least IV), invest in this fit for Angel Extravaganza; [Raven, AE setup] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Auto Targeting System I Auto Targeting System I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5
Basically, as soon as you feel more comfortable with your skillset, remove that CCC rigs and get Rigors instead, also forget about cap stability, get cap booster and 15 Cap Booster 800's in cargohold, rest missiles.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.09.26 11:34:00 -
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Raven is a tin can with 6 launchers that cant hit nothing but a small moon.
Train drake properly (BC to IV or V), t2 tank it + fit it with 7 HMLII and 3 BCU - watch BS melt away.
Use T2 EM missiles for amar/shansha/bloods and T2 scourges for everything else.
Or -> use tengu if u have skill for it.
End of story.
I.
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Gim Memore
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime Raven is a tin can with 6 launchers that cant hit nothing but a small moon.
Train drake properly (BC to IV or V), t2 tank it + fit it with 7 HMLII and 3 BCU - watch BS melt away.
Use T2 EM missiles for amar/shansha/bloods and T2 scourges for everything else.
Or -> use tengu if u have skill for it.
End of story.
I.
******. With rigors, cruise missiles hit everything but fast orbiting frigates well and drakes do **** dps.
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Veritas Luxmea
Casa do Caralho
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:42:00 -
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Awful skills, awful fit, awful DPS =)
Just train some more and all shall be good. |
TheMahdi
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime Raven is a tin can with 6 launchers that cant hit nothing but a small moon.
Train drake properly (BC to IV or V), t2 tank it + fit it with 7 HMLII and 3 BCU - watch BS melt away.
Use T2 EM missiles for amar/shansha/bloods and T2 scourges for everything else.
Or -> use tengu if u have skill for it.
End of story.
I.
Stupidest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.
3x T1 rigors and a PWNAGE and the Raven can hit everything with cruise missiles for full damage. Use a T2 rigor and max your skills and it can hit everything even without a PWNAGE. Except elite frigates, which is what light drones are for and heavy missiles can't hit them anyway. |
Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.09.26 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime Raven is a tin can with 6 launchers that cant hit nothing but a small moon.
Train drake properly (BC to IV or V), t2 tank it + fit it with 7 HMLII and 3 BCU - watch BS melt away.
Use T2 EM missiles for amar/shansha/bloods and T2 scourges for everything else.
Or -> use tengu if u have skill for it.
End of story.
I.
Can I use Raven if I am bored to tears with my Drake?
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2010.09.26 20:53:00 -
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i really don't know anything about shield tanking but why do so may fits go with invulnerability fields over damage specific hardeners?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.09.26 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche i really don't know anything about shield tanking but why do so may fits go with invulnerability fields over damage specific hardeners?
If nothing else, it provides you with worst-case numbers for both tanking (you can easily make it better) and cap draw (specific hardeners drain less). So if you can get a working setup with invulns, you know you can get a good working setup by replacing them with something more appropriate. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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JitaArse
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Posted - 2010.09.26 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche i really don't know anything about shield tanking but why do so may fits go with invulnerability fields over damage specific hardeners?
lazyness. 2 cn invuls is enough for my vargur.
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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2010.09.26 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche i really don't know anything about shield tanking but why do so may fits go with invulnerability fields over damage specific hardeners?
lazyness most times. Do the resist math, while a ahorter path usually not the best. Also just not isk investment ideal since not very cost effective. Faction invuls are nose bleed pricing. Going rate for CN specific hardeners is like 35mil ish. 3 of them bad boys and you saved mad isk over the 2(3) CN invul setup. Also doesn't have you showing up on ganker radar as bright lol.
Or if on battleclinic some are jsut for mockups and you are assumed to know to use racials. All hardeners have the same fitting specs, 2(3) invul posts will show you how tight the fit will be without spamming battleclinic with a blood fit, serp, fit, angel fit, etc....
NPC drone and frig damage and cruise missiles....doing it wrong if using them to kill them,. Get drones up to t2 with decent support skills. Drones kill cruisers and frigs, leaves your missiles for the BC's and BS'. Raven really works best with t2 drones. With 75m3 of space for em, 5 mediums and 5 lights. Mediums work on all drones decent. If I have scrammers/dispruptors in the room...lights get sent out to move around and kill themn faster. Small stuff dead, sick mediums on the main target to maximize dps. You can set the drones for racial damage...most don't. Hobgloblins and hammerheads good all in one pve drone.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.09.27 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: geojumper When you get your skills up (all support at least IV), invest in this fit for Angel Extravaganza; [Raven, AE setup] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Wrath Cruise Missile Auto Targeting System I Auto Targeting System I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5
Basically, as soon as you feel more comfortable with your skillset, remove that CCC rigs and get Rigors instead, also forget about cap stability, get cap booster and 15 Cap Booster 800's in cargohold, rest missiles.
there is enough faction gear on there I think you'd be better off getting a t2/arby fit CNR instead.
and as a nub I'd suggest fitting a Damage control II instead of the signal amp.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:16:00 -
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Tau Cabalander's fit is okay, but I'd go with a "Raven a la Liang". Though I'd ditch the cap booster for a cap recharger - cargo hold is for ammo, not cap booster 800s.
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The Hobbit
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:40:00 -
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First - it can be done faster than u r doing it now even without the T2 missiles.
Train to ballistic control systems T2 (faster than to T2 missiles).
Fit 4 of them. If you want to be cap stable switch one of shield boost amplifiers to cap recharger T2 and train to T2 shield mods.
You won't be able to do the bonus room but the rest should be fine.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:39:00 -
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OP seems to use an odd half AFK passive tank (and rigs) mixed with an active tank thing. Surprised it sucks?
I go with a short range active tank fit that costs a fraction of it vs AE4 and complete room 1 in about 7 minutes, room 2 in 10 and so on. But that's not a Raven. - Auditing & consulting
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Gim Memore
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Tau Cabalander's fit is okay, but I'd go with a "Raven a la Liang". Though I'd ditch the cap booster for a cap recharger - cargo hold is for ammo, not cap booster 800s.
Cap recharger won't provide nearly enough cap to tank some rooms long enough to kill off the main dps, especially with poor skills. You will find yourself warping out all the time coz it sucks.
plenty of room in a raven to fit 15 cap booster charges and more than enough ammo for a mission with spare room for loot and salvage even.
Why do people who have no idea what they're on about bother posting.
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Zimity
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:00:00 -
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The problem is your fail fit.
Here is the Raven I run with:
[Raven, My Raven] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Vespa II x5
You can replace all faction mods with T2 and still be fine.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.09.28 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Moose Burger There is nothing wrong with the raven.
Firstly use liang's fit, with 4BCU and 3 rigors. This is quite important as a battleship pilot, as you want to do 100% damage to anything bigger then a cruiser.
Secondly, i can finish angel extravaganza, with 1.7-2M SP flying the raven well within 40 minutes, why? Well. Here is the reason
USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES USE FACTION CRUISE MISSILES
lol why ?
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.09.29 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi
Stupidest thing I have read on these forums in a long time.
3x T1 rigors and a PWNAGE and the Raven can hit everything with cruise missiles for full damage. Use a T2 rigor and max your skills and it can hit everything even without a PWNAGE. Except elite frigates, which is what light drones are for and heavy missiles can't hit them anyway.
Aaah IC ok - train for half a year and invest around half a billion ISK into T2 rigs and faction shield booster - to be able to do 150 effective dps more then in a 50M ISK drake 1/2 year ago. CNR fixes the problem by another launcher and aditional buffer, but it costs dearly.
Sorry for being so stupid.
Numbers are gotten from EFT...
Regards
I.
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