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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:06:00 -
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Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.
Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp
Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.
A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.
However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.
So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here. |
Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:12:00 -
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1/10 |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
70
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:21:00 -
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What this means is "We've ran out, so now we rate you as a troll" |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
339
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:39:00 -
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This is 5 worthy, not 1...
The next month shall be very entertaining indeed... Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
Cellethen
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
7
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:43:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.
As if we give a **** beyond the ISK.
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
73
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:44:00 -
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*Minmatar |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:49:00 -
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Cellethen wrote:Salicaz wrote:And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war. As if we give a **** beyond the ISK.
You don't, it's all your wide-eyed fanboi's in militia chat that think you guys are their saviours. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2710
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:56:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Pre-Inferno you performed a massive land grab- Then claimed it was your leet pvp.
Just after inferno you took system after system (sorry, the alt army did) due to imbalanced rats..yet..still claimed it was your leet pvp
Before nulli joined you had 19 vunerable systems, this is because no pvper wants to dplex (understandable) and your gunless frig brigade won't do it, and have no nowhere to now plex have left you.
A few months ago you all thought this was immensly funny rolling around in your isk toasting each other about how leet your pvp was whilst being space rich. Working as intended even. Whilst denying it was the hordes of LP farmers dictating the front.
However, now you spend most of your time reallocating assets, the forum noise has stopped. Where is your leet pvp to stop us? Didn't both Hans and Susan claim "we should have fought harder"? Where is your leet pvp?
And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war.
So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.
I'm not really sure what the "excuses" are meant to be really. Minmatar high water mark was reducing Amarr to 3 systems total after a couple of months of spiking warzone control to tier 5 at will. This in an environment where the Amarr had roughly 50/50 pvp numbers (varying by timezone) and clear superiority in battleship and capital escalation options. (With even elements of our "allied" gallente militia fighting for Amarr when the chips were down.)
To better the Minmatar achievement you need to reduce the TLF to 2 systems and hold it there long enough to do multiple tier 5 cash-outs of your own.
If you are able to take every Minmatar System then yep, I'd be impressed.
But its not a game of childish excuses really - if you can do it - do it. Let achievement in space trump silly forum noise.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Dazz Riiiiiiight
Zombie Space Pirates Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.07.31 16:56:00 -
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10/10 I also would like to know why Minmatar are slacking and not getting me to L5 so i can ca$h in on the 2.5Mill LP i stole.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:11:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here.
Being a weird mixture of gal/min, I don't think I've been saying it's due to leet pvp on the minmatar's side that occupancy was staying at T5, and if I was saying it I'd like to see it. I've been on the receiving side of "no interest in pvp plexing alts" long before you could even make LP running plexes.
Having said that - Minmatar was at T5 last night, and you should have seen the carebears in militia chat crying about how they are going to make amarr alts *once the contested status went to 79.8%*. Like seriously, *whaaaaaa we can't hold T5 for more than an hour I'm quitting*. There are a TON of crybabies in the Minmatar militia. No other militia has hit T5. But looking at the lossboards for those pilots they are 0 kill/handful of gunless merlin losses.
One thing though - I will be very interested to see what happens once Amarr starts flipping systems. Will the massive minmatar alt army that is currently in gallente/caldari space move back to amarr to farm plexes there? Or will they give up and switch to the amarr side? Time will tell.
In the meantime, all I can hope to do is slow down Nulli as much as I can so I can prolong how long they stay in militia. It is FANTASTIC to always have the density of targets in every system that Nulli provides.
Still though - Minmatar Militia hits T5, the forums are full of "the Minmatar have fallen". It's hilarious. We haven't even seen if the alt army will start counter swarming flipped systems. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
179
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:11:00 -
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the current mantra is same than gallente used ( mostly same people anyway so no wonder)
THEY DO NOT CARE !
Plan is to be passive , enemy gets bored and leaves away, so they can again kick ball to empty goal after match and say how cool they are. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
179
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:17:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Salicaz wrote:So Minmitar, please. Leave your excuses here. Being a weird mixture of gal/min, I don't think I've been saying it's due to leet pvp on the minmatar's side that occupancy was staying at T5, and if I was saying it I'd like to see it. I've been on the receiving side of "no interest in pvp plexing alts" long before you could even make LP running plexes. Having said that - Minmatar was at T5 last night, and you should have seen the carebears in militia chat crying about how they are going to make amarr alts *once the contested status went to 79.8%*. Like seriously, *whaaaaaa we can't hold T5 for more than an hour I'm quitting*. There are a TON of crybabies in the Minmatar militia. No other militia has hit T5. But looking at the lossboards for those pilots they are 0 kill/handful of gunless merlin losses. One thing though - I will be very interested to see what happens once Amarr starts flipping systems. Will the massive minmatar alt army that is currently in gallente/caldari space move back to amarr to farm plexes there? Or will they give up and switch to the amarr side? Time will tell. In the meantime, all I can hope to do is slow down Nulli as much as I can so I can prolong how long they stay in militia. It is FANTASTIC to always have the density of targets in every system that Nulli provides.
Best is to put alts to caldari militia, caldari has best possibilities to make it tier 4 when needed, it is not tier 5 but better than tier1.
Gallente could be an option but if minmatar farmers stop working on caldari area gallente may be in trouble.
Time to move to Caldari militia. |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
137
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: To better the Minmatar achievement you need to reduce the TLF to 2 systems and hold it there long enough to do multiple tier 5 cash-outs of your own.
Nobody has to match/equal anything and it's not really relevant.
The main reason the minmatar managed to stay at T5 for so long is post inferno we were stupid enough to actually try and play the game and fight over systems rather than simply go plex whoring.
The problem with that strategy is it's terrible and doesn't really work due to the half baked mechanics that CCP introduced (thanks Hans) without a huge numbers advantage you simply trade systems and basically make no progress as without people willing to defend what you took (makes no money) you lose a system shortly after taking it.
I can't imagine that the minmatar are going to try and fight system by system because even if a small group like yours wants to give it a go the horde of LP farmers will simply go for the plexing route farming everything up to vulnerable knowing it will let them cash out day with huge wallets sooner rather than later.
Unless CCP change the system so holding systems has value and or defensive plexing makes sense I can see all the systems bouncing from one side to the other unless one side jumps the gun by mistake and flips 50% of the systems and we have a system swapping race tradeoff where things are uncertain for a while until one side 'wins' and then the cycle begins again.
TLDR
CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.
Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense. |
Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
34
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:22:00 -
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The gunless masses will do what they will. I don't see any reason to encourage them.
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:47:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote: TLDR
CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.
Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.
Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes.
All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous.
Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because:
- There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships - Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training.
Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber.
Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own.
I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening. You know... morons. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
72
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Posted - 2012.07.31 17:50:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote: TLDR
CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.
Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.
Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes. All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous. Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because: - There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships - Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training. Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber. Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own. I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.
Ironically this was CCP "fixing" FW....I really hope they don't try to fix it again.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
341
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:00:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war. You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
341
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:05:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening. All this non-stop fight action sucks donkey balls. What a traveshamockery. |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
72
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:09:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Salicaz wrote:And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war. You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.
Where did I give that impression exactly? Where did I mention WBR?
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Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
78
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:11:00 -
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I don't represent anything or one but myself. But if you took it (I hear we lost Kourm), good job. I also hear the Amarrian fleet was somewhere in the 120+ range. But I didn't see it myself. If the system has enough tactical value, like Kourm. I think people will fight (or defensive plex) for it. Otherwise they won't. Time will tell what the warzone looks months from now. |
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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
72
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:17:00 -
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Ezra Tair wrote:I don't represent anything or one but myself. But if you took it (I hear we lost Kourm), good job. I also hear the Amarrian fleet was somewhere in the 120+ range. But I didn't see it myself. If the system has enough tactical value, like Kourm. I think people will fight (or defensive plex) for it. Otherwise they won't. Time will tell what the warzone looks months from now.
It will continue as it always has, the good old see-saw. The only difference now is that we aren't masters of where we fight/live. It's the faceless alt army that dictates where we fight now. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
33
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:27:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Salicaz wrote:And for the record, Nulli are like the Americans of WW2. They shortened the conflict a bit, but will still claim they won the war. You make it sound like WBR won WW2 all by yourself.
Join NAERY and be like Finns and proudly claim we killed every side of that conflict at some point (and I might be mistaken/remember it wrong but technically we should still be at war with New Zealand over WW2) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
510
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:36:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote: TLDR
CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.
Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.
Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes. All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous. Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because: - There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships - Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training. Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber. Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own. I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening.
Paying characters to defensive plex does not pvp create. The problem is not that the focus is on offensive plexing. Defensive plexing requires no guns either! The problem is that plexing always has been most efficiently done in pve ships and avoiding pvp. CCP didn't do anything to change this. They just added consequences.
To be fair to ccp and hans, the players were crying for "consequences" and glossed over the fact that plexing is really a pve game. Lots of people said if there are consequences then we will pvp for plexes. Only a few people realized that adding consequences to a pve system will just create farmville and not really improve things. But we were in the, often despised, minority.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
13
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:45:00 -
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Nulli just wants to be spacerich, give them a break. Same with the Minmatar. And TBH, I have seen far more douche-tastic smacktalk from the Amarr than the Minmatar (*cough* OP *cough*). I expected something rage-filled like this when I opened this thread. The only thing that could make it worse is if that person from your corp that writes all of her posts in italics were here.
Note to that person: Chill with the flippin italics. Unless all of your posts are filled with emotion, it just makes you look pretentious and stupid. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
74
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Posted - 2012.07.31 18:48:00 -
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I knew it wouldn't be long before the Amarr poked their little noses out from behind Nulli's skirt and blew a raspberry. Rabble Rabble!! |
Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
139
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote: TLDR
CCP killed FW pvp and made it a farming game where only the offensive guy plays.
Also trying to eat so it's a bit rambly and probably doesn't make much sense.
Good post, actually - loosely following FW after having had a character in it a couple of years ago, I considered putting a character there again, but reconsidered after reading about all the changes. All that chest beating from either side is quite ridiculous. Plex Farmers joined Minmatar first because: - There is bigger demand for Minmatar Mods and Ships - Offensive plexing can be done in an alt worth barely a couple hours of training. Now they join Amarr, because they've run out of offensive plexes on the Minmatar side - you need some tanking capailities and a few more days of training, but it's still easier and less skill-intense than running militia missions in a stealth bomber. Not to mention that every faction warrior in it for the ~gudfites~ appears to have a plexing alt in the opposing militia, whilst moving his main to the other theatre because he can't dock anywhere in his own. I'm genuinely interested in what CCP/Hans thought these changes would lead to, if not the current situation - it's not like people have not warned about this happening. Paying characters to defensive plex does not pvp create. The problem is not that the focus is on offensive plexing. Defensive plexing requires no guns either! The problem is that plexing always has been most efficiently done in pve ships and avoiding pvp. CCP didn't do anything to change this. They just added consequences. To be fair to ccp and hans, the players were crying for "consequences" and glossed over the fact that plexing is really a pve game. Lots of people said if there are consequences then we will pvp for plexes. Only a few people realized that adding consequences to a pve system will just create farmville and not really improve things. But we were in the, often despised, minority.
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Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
139
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:02:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:I knew it wouldn't be long before the Amarr poked their little noses out from behind Nulli's skirt and blew a raspberry.
And so? |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
13
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:03:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Cearain wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote: Stuff
More Stuff Even More Stuff No Stuff
Empty quote is empty.
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David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:11:00 -
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If the consensus is that T5 will keep flipping back and forth, how about instead of complaining instead we keep really really quiet and get really really space rich. And then after like a year or so we can have this massive space battle with huge spaceships and **** and I'll be all like akakakakakak and you'll be all like pew pew pew. Gonna be awesome. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
341
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Posted - 2012.07.31 19:22:00 -
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Zicon Shak'ra wrote: The only thing that could make it worse is if that person from your corp that writes all of her posts in italics were here.
Note to that person: Chill with the flippin italics. Unless all of your posts are filled with emotion, it just makes you look pretentious and stupid.
She IS a seperatist French Canadian, so those character traits come with the territory...
Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
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