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Avraham Avinu
Children of Noah
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Posted - 2010.09.27 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Avraham Avinu on 27/09/2010 08:53:00 I've been trying all weekend to architect the right setup to allow my corporation to hire on an inventor and at the same time, protect our Blueprints and data interfaces and decryptors. At the moment, I've set up a division/tab for the BPO's and that works "ok" for regular T1 manufacturing, but what does everyone do for Tech II BPC invention? How do you allow your corp inventors to:
- only consume BPC's and datacores
- not be able to take a finished BPC II, data interface or the rest of your decryptors
I eagerly await a good reply! Thank you!
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:08:00 -
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AFAIK this cannot be done The inventor must have full access to the lab hangars filled with the consumables (decryptors, ...) and to the hangar where the bpcs will be delivered.
So basically he could grab and run.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.09.27 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major AFAIK this cannot be done So basically he could grab and run.
Yeah, but you can just put a limited amount of stuff in the hangars. If he would run, it would be a small loss. Don't give access to BPO's ofcourse.
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Sepi
Gamma Draconis Industries Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.27 10:29:00 -
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like first response i dont believe it can be done, because to do invention they need access to the hanger, and hanger access means he can take from the pos
however one suggestion, Dont tell him location of pos ;) ... i know he could easily find it if he was desperate, but if you only keep enough consumables in it for say 3 days worth of inventions then even if he did rip you off, you'd hardly be much out of pocket.
Then once you get to know him/her and believe you can trust you can put more consumables in etc.
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Drevinbro
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Posted - 2010.09.27 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sepi like first response i dont believe it can be done, because to do invention they need access to the hanger, and hanger access means he can take from the pos
however one suggestion, Dont tell him location of pos ;) ... i know he could easily find it if he was desperate, but if you only keep enough consumables in it for say 3 days worth of inventions then even if he did rip you off, you'd hardly be much out of pocket.
Then once you get to know him/her and believe you can trust you can put more consumables in etc.
Never trust anything to anybody you can not lose, Put only what you need to in corporate hangers and do not put a lot of money in corporate wallets. The world of EVE is a dangerous place, be careful or you will be like the millions of others before you.
Very Respectfully, Drevinbro
Caldari Heavy Mining Inc.
"It is better to give no excuse than to give a bad one"
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Pachira Lotus
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Posted - 2010.09.27 13:33:00 -
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Every corp has 7 hangers.
You dedicate X amount of hangers to corp with bpos locked down with view access only iirc copys can be made from these still.
You give Y member remote/other hanger access at POS take/view - say Hanger B
When making copys from input hanger/corp - output placed to member Ys Hanger B.
Then all the trust is down to you.
Never give anybody the star base managers role, ya may find the lot missing one day anything which requires access role can be altered with the fuel techinian role...
I think ya can get away with a pos manager who collects all jobs done and places items into members hanger once complete alot of effort, i think this achieved via view hanger access oither/factory lab rent etc .
always test with ya own alts.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 27/09/2010 17:42:15 Collateral folks. Collateral.
You hire a courier to move a package right? What keeps him from stealing the package? Collateral.
When the hired Inventor is setting up a new process then you ask for collateral for those corp/alliance items the Inventor needs.
1. If he doesn't have the isk or items to make up the collateral ... then what kind of lame inventor is he?
2. If he balks at the collateral then what precisely is his problem?
Make the deal where he gives over at least 100% collateral value of the corp items for invention, when the entire process is done he gets back the collateral +5% interest so he makes money on the collateral.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.27 19:42:00 -
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I've not tried, but I don't think you need TAKE to make copies or do invention, just VIEW. Worth testing.
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Nahkep Narmelion
Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
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Posted - 2010.09.27 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 27/09/2010 17:42:15 2. If he balks at the collateral then what precisely is his problem?
Just a wild guess here, but maybe the same issue the OP is having? Trust. If you ask the inventor for say, 200 million isk in collateral, what is to keep the corp that is hiring from taking it/keeping it?
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Droknar Azuvi
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Posted - 2010.09.27 22:41:00 -
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Could you remove corp access to the shields and just password them then not give the password to him?
He'd have access to the hangar, but not be able to get close enough to take anything out.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.28 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nahkep Narmelion
Originally by: Zeta Zhul Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 27/09/2010 17:42:15 2. If he balks at the collateral then what precisely is his problem?
Just a wild guess here, but maybe the same issue the OP is having? Trust. If you ask the inventor for say, 200 million isk in collateral, what is to keep the corp that is hiring from taking it/keeping it?
Third party.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.09.28 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Droknar Azuvi Could you remove corp access to the shields and just password them then not give the password to him?
He'd have access to the hangar, but not be able to get close enough to take anything out.
AFAIK passwords don't keep corpmembers out.
--- ôThere is a powerful tension in our relationship to technology. We are excited by egalitarianism and anonymity, but we constantly fight for our identity.ö |
Mylock Miannapan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.28 06:35:00 -
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Just a little thought that no one seems to have brought up, although you can restrict the inventors access to only one hangar division, a public one and just keep topping that up as necessary. You just keep the stockpile in a lab hangar he can't access and trickle the stuff over.
The big issue and why we have to trust our industrialists is that at one time we can have a billion worth of materials used in a build job and because they have access to the corp jobs, they could stop those maliciously and make all that stuff go 'poof'.
That worries me more than losing a few datacores and a pile of cheaply produced BPCs.
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Taesith
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Posted - 2010.09.28 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: ForumWarrior
Originally by: Droknar Azuvi Could you remove corp access to the shields and just password them then not give the password to him?
He'd have access to the hangar, but not be able to get close enough to take anything out.
AFAIK passwords don't keep corpmembers out.
Actually they do. You just have to uncheck the allow Corp members box in the management tab.
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Chibisuke
Gallente Children of Avalon
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Posted - 2010.09.28 20:14:00 -
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Yup thats the simplest solution.
The input BPCs stay at a station in the same system, so the inventor can install it.
The POS used for the invenstion has its shield set to NOT allow corp/ally members and require a password. Don't give it to anyone you don't trust!
now you can allow take access to the POS structures inside the forcefield, without anyone getting close enougth to the structure to take anything from it.
The datacores are inside the POS Structure (lab) and the output BPC ends up there to nescessarily.
Set the POS Labs costs to 0, and give the inventor access to an empty corp wallet to allow him to install jobs without being able to take any funds.
So the only unsolved problem for now is... how to prevent the inventor from stealing the T1 BPCs. well.... if you care that much about a few T1 BPCs, then you need to do it yourself. Problem solved.
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Monte Shill
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Posted - 2010.09.29 08:03:00 -
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Quote: I've been trying all weekend to architect the right setup to allow my corporation to hire on an inventor and at the same time, protect our Blueprints and data interfaces and decryptors.
If trust is the issue, don't look outside the corp. You can always buy a character thats already trained for invention and run it yourself, will set you back some isk but its better to invest in yourself then loosing it to someone you don't know well.
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