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whoyoulookingat
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:39:00 -
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4th attempt at posting this (Sort your D*mn forums out CCP!!! ) So it's the quick, quick verson of the original I wanted to post
What the hell has happened to null sec ? Now it used to be a bustling hive of peeps out there doing their own thing. Last night, decided to head out on one of my chars for some much needed pewpew only to find....
15 jumps deep in (from a known highsec gank route) & not a soul in sight!! Last time I achieved this was back in '03 when space truly was empty and the average number of people logged on was 1.5k at any one time! Actually flew out alot further without much joy before calling it a night!
My thoughts on why this is?
Too many stations - null sec should be just that.. null. Get rid of 90% of stations SOV & POS's - again, null suc should not be conquerable. Allow POS's for corps to live in but either increase the fuel cost so it's not viable to have more than a few (even for the larger alliances). W-Space - Too easy to get back out of. Remove the guaranteed highsec static spawns on C3+ . Make them back to what they should be.. HIGH RISK with a 90% chance of truly getting stuck in them for months on end (i.e. massive reduction on mass before wh entrance/exit collapses).
Again, apologies about the short rambling version (Still p*ssed at having the write it out again!). May come back and edit it out to the fuller version with more detailed thoughts.. maybe...
And Remember kiddies... "SELECT ALL" & "COPY" before posting... stupid damn....*grumble* grumble*
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:47:00 -
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It's not only nullsec. Former lowsec hotspots like Egghelende and Rancer are nowadays a lot less dangerous that they used to be before CCP managed to convince a sizeable portion of the population to stop playing.
What you acknowledge are the numbers CCP don't want us to know anymore since they show anything but a bright future... Subscriber numbers falling, as one can see plotting the daily PCU over the last 6 months. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:49:00 -
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Same here...
Emptiness everywhere... |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:49:00 -
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Nullsec isn't quite dead yet, its just on life support. "Winter is coming" which hopefully will revitalize 0.0, either that or it will be the 2nd biggest let down behind Incarna ofc.
No pressure Soundwave and Team Bff. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:52:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Nullsec isn't quite dead yet, its just on life support. "Winter is coming" which hopefully will revitalize 0.0, either that or it will be the 2nd biggest let down behind Incarna ofc.
No pressure Soundwave and Team Bff.
Well I guess they saw what people "did" and not just what they "said" now didn't they |
Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:59:00 -
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Nice data sample. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.24 11:59:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Well I guess they saw what people "did" and not just what they "said" now didn't they
Yes now its time for the player base to see what CCP does and not just what they've been saying.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 12:03:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Nullsec isn't quite dead yet, its just on life support. "Winter is coming" which hopefully will revitalize 0.0, either that or it will be the 2nd biggest let down behind Incarna ofc.
No pressure Soundwave and Team Bff.
BFF have been doing an awesome job. The pressure is on the people who decided how many dev teams are to be assigned to spaceships. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.24 12:32:00 -
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For the most part of my EVE live I have been in 0.0. Then, it ended...
I will not go into the details about it, but if the only existance for anyone in 0.0 is to have have a massive supercap fleet and be a cheating douchebag, then 0.0 is not a place for me. I hate asskissing and the amount of **** you have to take from blues was unbearable. Another reason were egomanic psychopaths as alliance leaders and directors. |
Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.24 13:38:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:For the most part of my EVE live I have been in 0.0. Then, it ended...
I will not go into the details about it, but if the only existance for anyone in 0.0 is to have have a massive supercap fleet and be a cheating douchebag, then 0.0 is not a place for me. I hate asskissing and the amount of **** you have to take from blues was unbearable. Another reason were egomanic psychopaths as alliance leaders and directors.
Exactly my situation.. 0.0 is just out of question with its current mechanics even though I have been there since my whole EVE life.
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Russell Casey
Black Corsairs
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Posted - 2011.09.24 13:38:00 -
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Nullsec is as empty as the preview screen you get on the forum . |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:09:00 -
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What happened to nul-sec?
Greyscale happened. And the ginger twit is still delusional about how badly he ****** it up last winter and that he was told by real nul-sec player that this is what was going to happen. The Incarna fiasco and all that followed only exasperated it this summer.
We too decided to go on a roam 3 nights ago. 26 jumps, and if all we saw was blues, it would be something. All we saw was no-one!!! |
Jon Taggart
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:13:00 -
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You flew through 15 nullsec systems and didn't find anyone? Yep, you're right, nullsec is dead.
While we're at it, I just ran 6 sanctums and got crap loot. Clearly CCP nerfed Sanctums with the recent patch. |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:16:00 -
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russians happened. they took most of 0.0 just because they can with huge superblob and use only fraction of that space to anything. they are just denying space they dont use from anyone to settle who is not renter or blue and thus securing most of income for RMT without competition. |
Josefius
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:27:00 -
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Maybe the re-introduction of ship spinning will bring people back :) |
Russell Casey
Black Corsairs
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:32:00 -
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Spectre80 wrote:russians happened. they took most of 0.0 just because they can with huge superblob and use only fraction of that space to anything. they are just denying space they dont use from anyone to settle who is not renter or blue and thus securing most of income for RMT without competition.
So if they're never in these systems, why not just go in and farm them anyway? Cloaks work for ninja-PVE as much as they do for the afk'ers in null.
Yeah, CCP ruined null....by introducing sov. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:35:00 -
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Josefius wrote:Maybe the re-introduction of ship spinning will bring people back :)
Maybe the re-introduction of brain cells into the grey matter of CCP execs will bring people back :)
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.24 14:42:00 -
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Last Friday of summer
anyhow perhaps you guys all need to get out of your super massive alliances if all you see is blue when you roam
When I roam I see a handful of blues, and mostly 5-25 man gangs of oranges, reds and neuts. We get the occasional 1-2 carrier hotdrops and the odd blops gangs, but nothing on the scale of supercap armageddon you people describe every time you post
Now while its true that we may not find a good fight its not for a lack of willing enemies, usually more of a lack of enough people in fleet to do anything about it.
No, you wont have your pick of targets like a big game hunter at the petting zoo, but there certainly is not a dearth of players, not at least around these parts.
I think people might want to consider that their own politics and those of their alliances have screwed up their own local null sectors, and that your part of null is not all of null.
Even a dog knows you don't **** where you live, and when you do you have to deal with the results. so instead of crying on the forums how bad null is, drop your over saturated alliance, and move someplace else and quit condemning all of null because the 10% you see is fouled by your own hand The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.24 15:08:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Last Friday of summer
anyhow perhaps you guys all need to get out of your super massive alliances if all you see is blue when you roam
When I roam I see a handful of blues, and mostly 5-25 man gangs of oranges, reds and neuts. We get the occasional 1-2 carrier hotdrops and the odd blops gangs, but nothing on the scale of supercap armageddon you people describe every time you post
Now while its true that we may not find a good fight its not for a lack of willing enemies, usually more of a lack of enough people in fleet to do anything about it.
No, you wont have your pick of targets like a big game hunter at the petting zoo, but there certainly is not a dearth of players, not at least around these parts.
I think people might want to consider that their own politics and those of their alliances have screwed up their own local null sectors, and that your part of null is not all of null.
Even a dog knows you don't **** where you live, and when you do you have to deal with the results. so instead of crying on the forums how bad null is, drop your over saturated alliance, and move someplace else and quit condemning all of null because the 10% you see is fouled by your own hand
Yeah, I know right? It's not like there is quantifiable evidence the game is flying down the crap hole.
Oh wait:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility (Scroll on down and look at the all time graph.)
It's like they made it their business model after last January to drive people away
But what do I know, I'm sure that's why Hilmar and all them make the big bucks right? They know what they are doing. They in no way are high on themselves and shut out the valuable opinions of those around them that offer wisdom.
They're the bigwigs. The head honchos. Top dogs. Big cheese. High men on the totem. VIPs. They couldn't all possibly have their heads so far up their asses that their only sellable product is actually dying of anal asphyxiation.
It must be like you say, the OP just ruined his space and broke it and scared everyone away. And these other people, they are all dumb too.
CCP has done what Les Grossman would call "****ting the money bed".
They weren't the first to do it, they won't be the last.
Look on the bright side: -all those people over the years that said "eve is dying" will be vindicated -it will open up a spot in the market for the next best scifi simulator. -when almost everyone is gone, Mr fat face talking pinata up here will be able to show off all his farmed likes on these nice new broken forums without smarter people calling him out on his BS |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.24 15:43:00 -
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if its on the interwebs it must be true!
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Cypermethren
Celtic Cartage And Hauling
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Posted - 2011.09.24 15:46:00 -
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Nullsec has been dying for ages, and ccp's latest changes to 0.0 sov are still a horrible band-aid job.
Every 0.0 system now has at least two ihubs, and tcu's from previous owners. Goes to show that the idea definately wasnt thought up on a drunk movie night, and was thought thru properly to deal with all possible problems, issues and downsides. They also "fixed" the bug which allows people to drop SBU's in safespots and them being 100% unscannable with probes, which was reported to them within a week of the new sov mechanics being released ( slash scarcasm) so that glitching is DEFINATELY discouraged. heh.
Veldspar is still the most valuable mineral in 0.0 to the people out there actualy building stuff. This is wrong on so many levels.
The game has changed from fleet fights to blob fights, if you want a fleet fight expect it to come in the form of a blackops hotdrop, and the afk cloakey that's been in you're system for the past month being the one to light the cyno.
People in 0.0 make it their lifes goal to ensure you cant use the space which you've claimed, its second nature to check the maps for npc kills and for industry ihub upgrades. It's more fun for people to **** around on an afk cloakey alt to provide intel to a hotdrop fleet than it is to get two fleets together to fight.
I think that its going to be inevidable that the winter expansion will be a fail. CCP have gone from one extreme to another. They will try to please the people that shout the loudest on the forums (latest dev blog anyone?) in an attempt to redeem themselves while still being blind/ignoring existing issues, which have been around for much longer, and cause alot more angst with the players, because the people who are posting with issues and asking for feedback that are not within the top 10% of what CCP reads on the forums - they're still ignoring.
On the other hand tho, if you're a botter, 0.0 is heaven right now huh? Starting to feel like CCP is catering more ot the botters/people that make the most noise while chucking a tantrum - than the majority of the playerbase. |
whoyoulookingat
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.24 16:24:00 -
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Interesting replies so far. Seems as though CCP have not had their eye on the ball to be honest. What made it more evident to me that something is seriously amiss in nullsec is the char I took out there is currently residing in an NPC Corp!!
Now call me old skool, but normally you'd have about a 1% chance to make it through low sec (I wasn't in a small ship either), let alone deep into 0.0 being in an npc corp!
And I also have the benefit of "No Blues" so anyone & everyone was a viable target.
Here's the tickler.. I logged off last night deep in 0.0. Logged back in earlier thinking "hey, the run back to safe(ish) space should be fun." Again, I passed a few people. Busiest system had 14 in and all docked up (yep, I even went to the station & did the dock/undock). Well, I did go out there to get a bit of action
And so my many jumps back were non-eventful to say the least Majority of systems were empty (oh the map still lies!) or with the odd person who were either cloaked up or hugging a POS!
The most fun on the trip back? Going through low-sec where I passed a few shuttles & trying to put the heebie jeebies into them
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:00:00 -
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whoyoulookingat wrote:Interesting replies so far. Seems as though CCP have not had their eye on the ball to be honest.
No ****! Thanks for pointing this out brah. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.24 18:35:00 -
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Null's profitability for the solo player has always been rather marginal. Most Null dwellers have an alt or two to help support the null sec character. In comes incarna - perhaps the alt kool-aide is being exposed.
Of course this crappy situation is created by core game play inadequacies in the first place. With the recent dev blog, perhaps finally CCP will consider that space should be space, and not fishbowl rooms connected to other fishbowl rooms with doors. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:16:00 -
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Only way null sec will be fun again is if
1. cut the balls off of super caps. 2. buff dreads. 3. limit the amount of systems alliances can control 4. limit the amount of blues you can have.
But for the most part if you ask a lot of people, the reason 0.0 is dead is because people dont want to play super caps online. All recent sov has been determined by the amount of super caps you can bring to the field,
Seriously there are more titans in game than there are black op ships.
IF ccp wants more people into 0.0 they are going to have to nerf power blocks, boost smaller alliances, and nerf super caps.
As it stands right now you cant take or have sov unless you have a ton of super caps or you suck **************** of a power block. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:23:00 -
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whoyoulookingat wrote: 15 jumps deep in (from a known highsec gank route) & not a soul in sight!! Last time I achieved this was back in '03 when space truly was empty and the average number of people logged on was 1.5k at any one time! Actually flew out alot further without much joy before calling it a night!
where were you ? at which time ?
there were lots of action yesterday on nullsec, so maybe you were here while everyone was fighting somewhere else...
the west of the universe were fighting in delve, the middle of the universe helping chribba in providence, and the east... well there is always lots of empty system on russians space... |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:32:00 -
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Not the supers are the problem, neither is the sov system.
It's the alliance space-reputation mentality.
Rusrus and the famous NCdot tri-wannabes came to destroy the NC, because "the NC was killing the game". So what they did with their great show of power completely defeating the long-rotten NC: Replace what they hated the most.
Raiden, WN, NCdot, Rus replaced the NC, but not only did they do that, they also made sure that all that space gets unused. They don't need their space, they only need the tech moons. They could make all that space into a giant clusterfuck playground like delve, creating a giant PVP thunderdome, instead they even the region completely empty. |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:40:00 -
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That is more or less the core of the problem, Some alliances have the firepower to remove nearly anyone from their space, yet they have little use for the space they claim, aside from the high end moons of course, they just make sure no one else can use it.
One example are incursions. These are a highly profitable PVE activity but the alliances that control that area of space very rarely bother to deal with them. These constellations often do not even have renters anymore who love the extra income. |
Malken
The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.24 19:45:00 -
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its just that hockeyseason just started and people cant play 24/7 anymore |
Daedalus II
Helios Research Combat Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.24 20:28:00 -
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It's just far too easy for the large alliances to bully everyone else.
Most nullsec space is empty, but it's still owned by someone who's obviously not using their space. Anyone trying to put that space to better use will quickly get a supercap fleet up their ass, so the only option left is to join with one of the huge powerblocks and make them even more powerful.
So essentially the large powerblocks needs to be severely nerfed, the small alliances and corps must have it much easier to get a foothold.
How to accomplish this however, I have no idea. |
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