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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:58:00 -
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I wrote up something this morning to catch everyone up and get everyone back into the swing of things.
CSM 7 Summer Update
CCP Manifest tells me that the Minutes should be out before the weekend. CSM 7 will be holding a Town Hall shortly thereafter. Also, myself and a couple other CSMs will be on FunkyBacon's show on EVE Radio tomorrow night around 0000 EVE Time. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Soulpirate
Bedrock Industrial
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Posted - 2012.08.01 14:59:00 -
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Thanks for the update. |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:04:00 -
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Forgive my newbness, but what is this talking about? |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:07:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:Forgive my newbness, but what is this talking about?
WHAT IS THE CSM?
Have a read, m8. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:08:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:Forgive my newbness, but what is this talking about?
We have the CSM, a player elected advocate group, who CCP talk to, run stuff by, etc. No /power/ as such, but some influence. Some meet with CCP in Iceland at their Summits, some teleconference, and there's a bunch of talking on Skype.
They're doing up the minutes of the last summit. It's taken a while, but sounds like they're going to be a lot more detailed than before. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.08.01 15:13:00 -
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Ahh interesting, thanks! So "minutes" is just like what you and CCP talked about at some meetings. sweet |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:23:00 -
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:15:00 -
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66,000 words...
Can we have a TL;DR:? Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp Relativity Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:49:00 -
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so tempting to troll. some how i seen that same post in the link somewhere..hmm...maybe it was some politician wanting to hear himself speak but otherwise. the minutes. i expected them in november. awesome they will be done sooner then planned. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:35:00 -
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In the minutes, is there something that starts with P and ends with OS discussed? |
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:39:00 -
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I can not wait to read the sections on balance. I am less enthusiastic about reading forumers opinion on how any slightest nerfs to Drakes will destroy the game and drive everyone to WoW but I think they can be safely ignored.
Here is to hoping there is good news on the horizon concerning T1 Cruisers Balance. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:47:00 -
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Toothless CSM says words |
Fatbottom Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:48:00 -
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CSM 7: Yeah we're doing stuff!
Players: What kinda stuff?
CSM 7: Well, you know, stuff.
Players: what kinda stuff?
CSM 7: Stuff
Players: ...
CSM 7: Ok here's some :words:
Players: ...
CSM 7: Oh **** it it's summer, we're not doing much of anything and neither is CCP, DEAL WITH IT. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.01 18:58:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:66,000 words...
Can we have a TL;DR:?
tl;dr "We talked about some stuff." . |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:02:00 -
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Thanks for being so active! http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:06:00 -
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Where I work we have a saying "minutes for any meeting that happened more than a week ago are generally worthless."
66,000 words and all could be the spaceship politics version of war and peace but its old news now.
Next time I think you should focus on brevity and aim to the have the minutes out within 2 weeks at the absolute maximum beyond the end of the summit. If the pure scale of writing is the issue here then you're clearly trying to produce something other than "minutes" and you've strayed into producing something quite different with an entirely different purpose.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:07:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:Ahh interesting, thanks! So "minutes" is just like what you and CCP talked about at some meetings. sweet
Sometimes they talk about stuff under NDA we won't see for 2 years. So we won't know about that stuff, but at least we know that some players can at least see the plan and say "oh cool, or , um your kidding right? that's ******* stupid"
But thankfully if we never hear about *even in a few years* something they told the CSM, that means CCP listened to them, and we've better off never knowing :P http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:10:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:17:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'?
She means it doesn't have mittani on it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:32:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'? She means it doesn't have mittani on it.
Eww gross you're trying to speak for me. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:33:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'? She means it doesn't have mittani on it. Eww gross you're trying to speak for me.
Well you don't do a wonderful job yourself.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:41:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'? She means it doesn't have mittani on it. Well we will see if this CSM was toothless when the minutesmonths are released. Allegedly these will be the first ones to actually include who on the CSM said what. Instead of using "the CSM said..." as a cowardly way to hide behind who said/did what.
I am very eager to review them just to see how much is still relevant. It might just be very similar to someone handing you last weeks newspaper. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.01 19:54:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Where I work we have a saying "minutes for any meeting that happened more than a week ago are generally worthless."
66,000 words and all could be the spaceship politics version of war and peace but its old news now.
Next time I think you should focus on brevity and aim to the have the minutes out within 2 weeks at the absolute maximum beyond the end of the summit.
Jade, what you are asking for is essentially here and here. I had those out within two weeks of the Summit concluding. I spent about 2 days on each of those blogs, watching the recordings of all the sessions and shooting for ~brevity~ and something that would at least let people know the basics of what was covered in each session. Even then, I hit damn near 12k words myself in those two blogs. If folks don't want to comb through the official minutes, they can read those blogs and still get a general idea of what we did.
Jade Constantine wrote:If the pure scale of writing is the issue here then you're clearly trying to produce something other than "minutes" and you've strayed into producing something quite different with an entirely different purpose.
How about you not say what we are 'clearly' trying to do until you actually see what we did?
It's entirely possible that we could have done this differently or 'more better good'. However this is the first time the CSM has attempted this level of detail and, as was asked for and promised to the community, transparency. The plan now is to see what people think when they get a chance to read everything, take suggestions and refine the process for the next summit. Fair 'nuff?
CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Trin Xi
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Posted - 2012.08.01 21:09:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes A better document title: Proceedings of the Seventh Council of Stellar Management
For something with that kind of thump-value, it should have thump-worthy name.
Seleene wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:Forgive my newbness, but what is this talking about? WHAT IS THE CSM?Have a read, m8.
Funny that the Wiki page for "What is the CSM" fails to expand the acronym, unless Council of Stellar Management is a backronym. |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
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Posted - 2012.08.01 22:01:00 -
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Thank you for keeping us updated. I agree that the stretch between Incarna and Dust will probably be remembered as the year CCP changed the most. I get the feeling that players are more interested in getting things right rather than fast from these boards, so a comprehensive "transparent" minutes will be worth the wait. It would be great if you Trebor and others who have worked on both sides of the industry return for CSM8.
I hope your RL issues work out. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:36:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I can not wait to read the sections on balance. I am less enthusiastic about reading forumers opinion on how Drakes are so incredibly OP when they're not even close, but they can be safely ignored. Here is to hoping there is good news on the horizon concerning T1 Cruisers Balance.
Fixed.
Take your whinge-jihad elsewhere, troll.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:42:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Toothless CSM says words What do you mean by 'toothless'? She means it doesn't have mittani on it. Eww gross you're trying to speak for me.
Look at the goon, thinking it has an opinion/identity of its own.
Cute.
Very cute.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
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