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Montevius Williams
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Montevius Williams on 02/10/2010 21:11:51 Maybe this can help with the AFK cloakers (not that I have a problem with it, as I AFK cloak as well). Also, dont know if someone had this idea, if so, my bad.
Stealth Detection Scanner I (Module) This module emits a pulse from ship that gives a chance to detect cloaked starships that may then be scanned down using probes. Base cycle time is 1 minute.
Prerequisites -Electronics IV -Cloaking III -Signature Analysis IV -Stealth Signature Analysis (new skill) -Skill at using Stealth Detection Scanner modules. Each rank increases pulse effective range by 5au, up to a maximum of 25au. In addition, each rank grants a 2 percent chance to detect stealth signatures, up to a maximum of 10 percent and increases accuracy by 6 percent per level up to a maximum of 30 percent.
Stealth Detection Scanner II (Module)
Prerequisites
-Electronics V -Cloaking IV -Signature Analysis V -Stealth Signature Analysis V -Advanced Stealth Signature Analysis (New Skill) -Advanced understanding of Stealth technologies and principles. Each rank increase the effective pulse range by an additional 5au per level. In addition, reduces the base cycle time of Stealth Scanner module by 10 seconds per level. Also grants an additional 3 percent chance per level to detect stealth signatures.
Could this work in EVE?
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:15:00 -
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Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Montevius Williams
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet.
I agree but with all the *****ing and moaning about AFK cloaking, I wanted to see what people thought about this.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Montevius Williams
I agree but with all the *****ing and moaning about AFK cloaking, I wanted to see what people thought about this.
I think Local chat should be removed, NOT your idea or any other anti cloaking idea that I've read.
All the *****ing and moaning about AFK cloaking comes from a particular mindset of EVE player, and they should not be catered to whatsoever by CCP.
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Persona n0ngrata
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Persona n0ngrata on 02/10/2010 23:35:15 From what I read in the OP this is a module idea that I see working very well in the EVE universe. From what I read it dose not decloak a ship but instead gives you a warp in to the cloaked ship or rather the ability to get a warp in on the ship. So for anyone sitting in one spot not moving will be decloaked by the person that scanned them. Of course the guy scanning would have to warp in at 0km to do this. For anyone that is moving when they get scanned its not a problem because by the time the guy that scanned them warps in you'll already be out of decloak range.
Honestly anybody that puts this down is either just wanting to continue the no counter to cloak situation in EVE or is going to be the idiot that is sitting still and gets decloaked by the person warping on top of them. Simply put, if your that idiot when and if this ever gets put in game you'll be no better than that other idiot who auto piloted through low sec.
+1
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet.
Please share with us how you'd know he's AFK or not.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Roosterton Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet.
Please share with us how you'd know he's AFK or not.
does it matter? as long he doesnt decloak he cant do anything to you. and when he decloaks you get the same chance to fight as he does.
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 03/10/2010 00:21:18
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Roosterton Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet.
Please share with us how you'd know he's AFK or not.
I don't know how, I'm just assuming that all the people who whine about AFK cloakers *do* know that they're AFK, since they're always referred to as exactly that, "AFK."
But my point still stands. Even if they aren't AFK, they aren't a threat if you know what you're doing.
I have seen many AFK cloakers try to kill blue ratters, and have enjoyed it greatly, because it often results on me being on a recon killmail. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/10/2010 00:53:00
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Roosterton Alternatively, you could man up and realize that someone who you know is AFK isn't going to hurt you if you have anything resembling a respectable defense fleet.
Please share with us how you'd know he's AFK or not.
does it matter? as long he doesnt decloak he cant do anything to you. and when he decloaks you get the same chance to fight as he does.
Let's do this step by step:
1. You gave advice to someone to man up and realize that someone who is AFK isn't going to hurt you.
2. I asked you to give us your wisdom in determining when someone is AFK.
3. You then say it isn't important whether they're AFK, thus invalidating your first comment in the first place.
This is how your camp takes these arguments in logical spins. You go round and round in circles.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.03 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 *confused stuff*
Small hint: Roosterton != darius mclever
It seems you wanted to answer Roosterton. Want a coffee?
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:22:00 -
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The majority of those arguing against any sort of afk-cloak nerf are only able to use circular reasoning to defend their point of view. In the end these threads are only productive in the sense that they bore/tire the crowd of trolls and flamers into hibernation until the next new thread pops up.
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Xorv
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Posted - 2010.10.03 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rhadia The majority of those arguing against any sort of afk-cloak nerf are only able to use circular reasoning to defend their point of view.
Not really, the principle reason for defending AFK cloaking is that is the direct counter to Local Chat Intel. There's no circular reasoning in that argument, it's basic cause and effect. The failure in reasoning comes from the anti cloaking crowd that refuses to see the very obvious connection between insta Intel via Local Chat and the strategy of going AFK for prolonged periods of time in a cloaked ship.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xorv
Originally by: Rhadia The majority of those arguing against any sort of afk-cloak nerf are only able to use circular reasoning to defend their point of view.
Not really, the principle reason for defending AFK cloaking is that is the direct counter to Local Chat Intel. There's no circular reasoning in that argument, it's basic cause and effect. The failure in reasoning comes from the anti cloaking crowd that refuses to see the very obvious connection between insta Intel via Local Chat and the strategy of going AFK for prolonged periods of time in a cloaked ship.
Or you simply ignore what I have argued constantly for at least three 20 page bull**** flamewars.
I don't see CCP changing local any time soon as it effects EXTREMELY important aspects of gameplay, literally turning most of what we know upside down in regards to defense and PVP in Null Sec. The results of removing local are far more difficult to predict, balance, and fix than changing one, small, precise aspect of how some people fly their stealth bombers. And don't even bother mentioning Wormhole Space, because it's a very low-traffic, secluded, and different area of Eve when compared to normal space- the same tactics and accessibility do not apply.
I want local removed just as bad as the next guy, but I'd rather argue something that actually has a chance of being fixed.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:53:00 -
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really? wormhole space shows nicely that isn't all that much of a problem.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.10.03 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rhadia on 03/10/2010 03:56:07
Originally by: darius mclever really? wormhole space shows nicely that isn't all that much of a problem.
Originally by: Rhadia And don't even bother mentioning Wormhole Space, because it's a very low-traffic, secluded, and different area of Eve when compared to normal space- the same tactics and accessibility do not apply.
GG Reading, dip****.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.03 04:00:00 -
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just because you don't like an argument, doesn't make it invalid.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.10.03 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rhadia on 03/10/2010 04:04:06
Originally by: darius mclever just because you don't like an argument, doesn't make it invalid.
Dude, you're not even making any sense and I honestly don't feel like turning this into another "is afk cloaking bad" discussion thread.
Troll elsewhere, or start actually reading what you're replying to. Either that or study up on social interaction and reading comprehension, you're not doing too well judging by the relevance of your posting.
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rhadia Edited by: Rhadia on 03/10/2010 04:04:06
Originally by: darius mclever just because you don't like an argument, doesn't make it invalid.
Dude, you're not even making any sense and I honestly don't feel like turning this into another "is afk cloaking bad" discussion thread.
Troll elsewhere, or start actually reading what you're replying to. Either that or study up on social interaction and reading comprehension, you're not doing too well judging by the relevance of your posting.
Umad?
Darius is one of the better F&I posters, if you ask me. He trolls because he's tired of the same threads being posted over and over again. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
iKill Giants
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.03 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: iKill Giants on 03/10/2010 17:01:19 Here are my suggestions. Only make it t1 version, like probe launchers, interdiction bubble launchers, etc. And more importantly, collaborate with others who speak of the same thing. Linkage ---------
People always ask me for my Rupture fit after I blow up their Abaddon. |
Testic El'Hed
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Posted - 2010.10.03 18:07:00 -
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I am all for this being implamented so long as this is also implamented.
I especially look forward to needing said module on at least 1 ship in every fleet/gang who camps a gate or wants to kill off those ratters/miners/solo pvp'ers who try to cloak so as to avoid the blob.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.10.03 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton Umad?
Darius is one of the better F&I posters, if you ask me. He trolls because he's tired of the same threads being posted over and over again.
Udumb?
Judging by your idiotic trolling meme as an opening for your post I'll assume so.
Darius is one of the most useless forum warriors here, his only purpose being to shoot down any thread he deems worthy of his hatred. Why don't you look him up and count how many of his posts are actually constructive before you try to defend him. He's useless.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2010.10.04 00:56:00 -
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AFK cloaker in your constellation of 10 systems?
MOVE THE FUK OUT OF YOUR HOLE AND RAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, there is a fix, take it, shove it up your a-hole and get a grip.
CCP change so much for carebears and constantly nerf pvp
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.10.04 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 04/10/2010 02:12:30
Originally by: Rhadia
Originally by: Roosterton Umad?
Darius is one of the better F&I posters, if you ask me. He trolls because he's tired of the same threads being posted over and over again.
Udumb?
Judging by your idiotic trolling meme as an opening for your post I'll assume so.
Darius is one of the most useless forum warriors here, his only purpose being to shoot down any thread he deems worthy of his hatred. Why don't you look him up and count how many of his posts are actually constructive before you try to defend him. He's useless.
Yep, mad it is....
And he's a much better poster than people like A) Yourself, B) People whining about AFK cloaking and other things which have had hundreds upon hundreds of threads about them alraedy.
And for the record, there's no point in giving constructive criticism to ideas which are too bad to be re-constructed. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
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