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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:45:00 -
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I am not sure if what the OP posts is really true, but if it is CCP truly dissapoints me for the first time during my 5 years in EVE
. Microtransactions in a game like EVE disrupts the balance for things like attribute adjustments on plex, since, those with money can then tailor their attributes every day if they want to, always having the best stats to fit their training cycle. All because they have money to spend. I dont like that. 15 euro/dollar a month makes everyone equal. When people can throw in hundreds or thousands of dollar/euro I am sure CCP will be happy, but I certainly will not.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Spc One
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri I do not approve and will not use PLEX for remaps...end of problem for me.
Same here.
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Azrakadar
Minmatar The Nietzsche Followers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 19:57:00 -
[33]
I can't afford a titan. Therefore I can't have a titan. Your argument is invalid.
In Eve, you can afford anything in the game if you work at it enough, or smartly enough. You have freedom to make money in a lot of ways. You have freedom to even create new ways to get rich. So you could afford that Titan if you really wanted to.
And it's not just the ISK. There's no aspect in this game you can't get into if you dedicate yourself a bit. No need for microtransactions.
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Tsubutai
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bluefix Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
I don't think this guy "gets" Eve.
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Zoidberg ENB
Minmatar Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:10:00 -
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I'm going to be blunt. Micro-transactions will kill this game both financially and spiritually. Financially, CCP will drive away its core audience, while failing to gain new customers (because let's face it, the people who like micro-transactions already have a ton of other terrible MMORPGs to choose from, and are not going to play EVE). Spiritually, EVE's core philosophies and principles will be destroyed. This isn't your normal "EVE is dying!" post because those are ridiculous, and based on very little most of the time. This is the very likely outcome if CCP continues in this direction.
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napro3
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: napro3 on 06/10/2010 20:16:52
Originally by: Zoidberg ENB, EVE's core philosophies and principles will be destroyed. This isn't your normal "EVE is dying!" post because those are ridiculous, and based on very little most of the time. This is the very likely outcome if CCP continues in this direction.[/quote
Eve has spirtuality and philosophies?? Lmao..
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Zoidberg ENB
Minmatar Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:18:00 -
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Say what you will, but EVE has always been designed with specific ideas in mind. That's obvious from hearing CCP talk and from playing the game and noticing how different it is from other MMOs.
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Koba Kyogen
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Koba Kyogen on 06/10/2010 20:24:59 Dropping the ball CCP
Go look at what happened to Sony Online Ent after they did the same sh*t you're proposing.
"Well, we weren't the ones implementing it. We can do better"
That's what "the Austrian who ran Germany in the late '30s to mid '40s" said about Napoleon in Russia, how'd that work out?
Also what Obama thinks about socialism, how is that working out?
This his all happened before, it will happen again.
You suck, quit destroying this once awesome game. Commies.
KK
edit: honestly? you block out Adolf's last name w the built in filter? wtf? yeah, he was a terrible douche - but blokcing words is lame. Commies.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:23:00 -
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no for eve but yes in dust its the console market different dynamics
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tsubutai
Originally by: Bluefix Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.
I don't think this guy "gets" Eve.
Is that a real quote?
"We're looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, BUT JUST VANITY ITEMS WE SWEAR!" is a real classic in this industry. It should actually read, "We're looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but just vanity items... for now."
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:29:00 -
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I'm sure all the forum geniuses who insisted this was impossible will be by shortly to eat their words.
[crickets]
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Orcagna Edited by: Sky Orcagna on 06/10/2010 19:45:37 LoTRO just went through the EXACT same thing. Turbine promised that microtransactions would only be for vanity items and not for anything that actually affected gameplay. Well that lie lasted about two seconds. The first thing they did was add all sorts of "uber" potions and special items which instantly morphed the game into the very worst sort of RMT grind. And just like all the other MMOs which have migrated to the microtransaction model, overnight there was an massive influx of snotty teens, gold farmers, and scammers into the game. Turbine lied about microtransactions just like the other MMO publishers have lied.
I am thoroughly disgusted by CCP on this. If they raised the price of EVE I would gladly pay it. But I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that once microtransactions are introduced in EVE, they will eventually start selling gameplay-changing items. Bank on it. The temptation to do so is simply overwhelming once they get a taste of that extra income.
Every major MMO publisher has told the same lie and I see no reason whatsoever to give CCP the benefit of the doubt here. Just another cheap money grab. Just watch the explosion of ISK-farming, RMT-fueled scamers that will be drawn to this like flies to ****e.
QFT
EVE: CCP gives a damn
From the same thing:
Originally by: Torfi Frans Olafsson ... We have a magnificent community, we have a devoted player-base, we have a vibrant economy, ...
But for how long?
Originally by: Torfi Frans Olafsson
There's no way of knowing for how long EVE will survive. It will survive for as long as people are willing to play it and pay for it.
Indeed. Let's see how long the devoted player-base will stick to your new business models - or if you are just fine with a more volatile player-base, where old people leave and more new people join, but for a shorter residence.
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Myxx
Gallente Risen Angels
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Posted - 2010.10.06 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zoidberg ENB I'm going to be blunt. Micro-transactions will kill this game both financially and spiritually. Financially, CCP will drive away its core audience, while failing to gain new customers (because let's face it, the people who like micro-transactions already have a ton of other terrible MMORPGs to choose from, and are not going to play EVE). Spiritually, EVE's core philosophies and principles will be destroyed. This isn't your normal "EVE is dying!" post because those are ridiculous, and based on very little most of the time. This is the very likely outcome if CCP continues in this direction.
this, its bad juju. i dont like this. at all. --
My opinion is my own and nothing but my own. Before putting words in my mouth, it might help to ask for clarification if you are confused. |
Monte Shill
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I am not sure if what the OP posts is really true, but if it is CCP truly dissapoints me for the first time during my 5 years in EVE
. Microtransactions in a game like EVE disrupts the balance for things like attribute adjustments on plex, since, those with money can then tailor their attributes every day if they want to, always having the best stats to fit their training cycle. All because they have money to spend. I dont like that. 15 euro/dollar a month makes everyone equal. When people can throw in hundreds or thousands of dollar/euro I am sure CCP will be happy, but I certainly will not.
NEWS SNAP! If you have been playing for 5 years, then you already have the advantage. OH SH@T REALLY? Do you want to know more? [Yes] [No]. You have already invested 15*12*5= 900 USD + applicable tax. Where is everyone equal? If someone spends 900 dollars are PLEX->Remap on a 1.5 year skill plan, well they might was well make a Kestrel Run to Jita in 12 parsecs loaded with PLEX. Time gives the advantage, because you can't speed up the SP gained enough to make a difference. At most once your Intel/Mem for basics, Perc/Will for ship/weapons, and your already starting the Will/Perc for T2 ships how often are you going to remap? Guess what, that third remap carries over really easily to cross train another race. I know a guy who has flown an Ishtar for several years, since Janurary he has trained over into three other races HACS and is about to finish most of the T3 ships sub 5s in the next couple months. According to him, he only has like 1.8 million inlearning and only remapped into intel/mem a few weeks ago for T3. Being able to remap with a purchased PLEX will not be abused as much as you think, its just a an extra source of income for CCP and it will speed up most ship plans by a month or two in the long run for a single type of ship, you who can already fly multiple types of ship may not even have to use a remap because you are already done.
And knowing CCP, they will most likely carry a hefty penalty. Like reseting your free remap back another year. Which means if you want it sooner its going to cost you another 15 USD to use it again . And if you have already a vast fortune of isk you are probably PLEXing your accounts for free anyway so its not costing you any monthly sub
And back to your second sentence. - Microtransactions in a game like EVE disrupts the balance for things - they already exist. 1. Micro transaction of a character swap do not disrupt anything. 2. Micro transactions of character transfer are instant win for someone buying a carrier pilot that they didn't train for themselves. OH SNAP! It was bought with in game money, transfered with RL world currency and the new owner didn't have to train for it. Instant gratifcation with zero risk? 3. PLEX transfer of isk. If this isn't grame breaking, I don't know what it. Zero risk of getting caught since you didn't buy it from China . PLEX dip and soar from 275 upwards to 350 and it peaked last summer at 450. For 3 Billion if I am lucky, I can easily get 12 months and if I am a trader thats super easy. Plus plex and isk are steadly comming into the game every day, it only gets redistrubited and its hardly decreasing in supply as everyone needs isk and everyone wants PLEX. Having another use for PLEX is a good idea so people pay more often with monthly subscriptions instead of plex which are then turned into subscrition time.
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Fentaan
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Azrakadar
I can't afford a titan. Therefore I can't have a titan. Your argument is invalid.
In Eve, you can afford anything in the game if you work at it enough, or smartly enough. You have freedom to make money in a lot of ways. You have freedom to even create new ways to get rich. So you could afford that Titan if you really wanted to.
And it's not just the ISK. There's no aspect in this game you can't get into if you dedicate yourself a bit. No need for microtransactions.
Plex are among the things you can buy in game for ISK if you work at it enough. You dont need to spend a cent of real money, there are thousands of Plex on the market that have been put there by people willing to buy them. Buy them with ISK, use them for a re-map and you have just gotten your remap without using real money.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:37:00 -
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Just a note, in that interview we are told once again they aren't making EVE 2, and will only run EVE until they can't. To me this means they will run EVE into the ground seeking to maximize the ROI while continually cutting back on resources, I give EVE a few more years before they scuttle it from lack of will to develop or lack of enough paying customers, all the while attempting to cash in with more microtransactions.
TLDR: EVE is dying, it has the cancer.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Galphram NefreX
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Galphram NefreX on 06/10/2010 21:40:35 Reading all of this, to be honest I am not sure what to think. When I think of people "paying" for neural remaps with plex's I for a second think it would be a good thing (I buy a lot of ETC to fund whatever I do). But then when I think of the impact it will have on this game, and of impact it had on games like LOTRO which I played I think it will be a bad thing.
I wonder if CCP value their player base and even considered asking us what we think about this change.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:45:00 -
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I can only speak for me but I came here because EvE is different. Hell I dont even like spaceships but its fine, because EvE is different.If EvE goes the "mainstream" route I wont be there anymore one day. Its simple like that. I dont expect them to care about me. Sony and Turbine did not also. But again, I only can speak for me.
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Julia Reave
J-Systems
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:54:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Ruby Khann Edited by: Ruby Khann on 06/10/2010 16:50:53 Neither does CCP.
So what happened to CCP Shadow?
Shameless cross-post from http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395386&page=2#60:
Originally by: Dzajic Can someone pleas link or quote when in discussions that started after SP reimbursement was announced, CCP clearly denied any plans of introducing mistranslations at this time?
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1341909/page/all#20 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909
Originally by: CCP Shadow Edited by: CCP Shadow on 24/06/2010 17:30:40 Just for clarification, the skillpoints CCP will be giving pilots to make up for the extended downtime in this case is not tied to microtransactions.
Editing to add this: We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE.
Originally by: CCP Shadow No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Are you trolling me bro? Cool
Our business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about.
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Thgil Goldcore
Amarr Amarrian Angestus Mining Association
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:55:00 -
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I dont mind 'convinence' based things that don't make you stronger, but can make things just a little easier. Remaping skills exists already in game for free. Just a player who wants to spend 15 bucks can speed things up a little.
Besides...
I don't think we are in danger until we begin to read
'NEW T3 CAPITAL SHIPS! The new 'Death cube' class ship is able to cause untold distruction... only $199.99!'
or
'T4 moduals! Wana fit a destoyer with a large armor repair that takes less cap than a small one? only $19.95!'
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Cailais
Amarr Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 21:58:00 -
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It's a slippery slope.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:03:00 -
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Hey Wrangler, I'd just like to say we saw this coming despite you claiming otherwise. I know you're just the Community manager (Or whatever the official title) and thus, harbor no hate towards you, but you might want to see that the information you're being told to tell us is legitimate and not complete bull****.
I said this was a slippery slope when refundable SP came up. I'd just like to throw in a hearty "You're slipping now" before I go back to spinning in stations. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Thgil Goldcore
Amarr Amarrian Angestus Mining Association
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais It's a slippery slope.
C.
It is, but the line for me is when IRL money makes you directly more powerful in anyway.
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Dark Ionix
Ionizor
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:05:00 -
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I have no problem with giving CCP rl currency if it means being able to re-map all my character skills, or even change my characters name. But, I don't agree with them selling SP or unique uber powerful ships/moduals, etc.. that aren't ordinarily in-game.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:14:00 -
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This is quite terrible news to hear from a DEV. Not the skill remapping, i couldn't care less.
No, that he is actually thinking about introducing ITEMS (modules, ships?) you will purchase for money. It always starts like that, with promises like "its only luxury items". Then, nobody buys them. So they think about making them better, more attractive to customers. And one day we are sitting here discussing about T5-items and why you can only purchase them in the item-shop.
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Napro
Caldari Simplistic Syndicate Cha0s Theory
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zoidberg ENB Say what you will, but EVE has always been designed with specific ideas in mind. That's obvious from hearing CCP talk and from playing the game and noticing how different it is from other MMOs.
Eve is an application created by a company to produce a profit.
Anything else you were led to believe is BS. Sorry.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:14:00 -
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What a dense bunch of whine-bangers.
This just in! Purchasing goods in a game through the use of money has existed since the implementation of PLEX. Player uses rl money to get PLEX, sells PLEX, gets isk, uses isk for ships/items. Player used rl money to aquire in game items. People should really quit talking like this is something new.
Doing re-maps in this manner.. allows both the finacially established rl people AND/or ingame players to aquire the re-maps. The option to gain through the use of Isk alone is avialable. Take the "I'm poor" socialist ideal crap somewhere else.. because life isn't fair and balanced nor should it be for people that can't succeed and achieve when others have.
The only legitament arguement would be to remove PLEXs entirely. The 'It gives some players an unfair advantage' is the biggest ***** cop-out to being a self-promoting failure. If PLEXs didn't exist, guess what.. there would still be advantages for some players over others in a variety of scenarios, namely.. 'I gots more isk than you, I can have more and better equip'd ships'. Welcome to free market economy of have vs have-nots.
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Azrakadar
Minmatar The Nietzsche Followers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fentaan
Originally by: Azrakadar
I can't afford a titan. Therefore I can't have a titan. Your argument is invalid.
In Eve, you can afford anything in the game if you work at it enough, or smartly enough. You have freedom to make money in a lot of ways. You have freedom to even create new ways to get rich. So you could afford that Titan if you really wanted to.
And it's not just the ISK. There's no aspect in this game you can't get into if you dedicate yourself a bit. No need for microtransactions.
Plex are among the things you can buy in game for ISK if you work at it enough. You dont need to spend a cent of real money, there are thousands of Plex on the market that have been put there by people willing to buy them. Buy them with ISK, use them for a re-map and you have just gotten your remap without using real money.
That post of mine you quoted was just my response to the person saying my last argument was invalid.
I'm totally fine with being able to buy PLEX with ISK, because that means your actions ingame can even pay for your sub.
Now, using that PLEX to "buy a remap"...well, may not be a game-changing transaction, but it certainly gives me "the bad juju" vibe of CCP going into a slippery slide.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:25:00 -
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@Umega plex-isk is nothing new, true. But just look at other microtransaction-games. Its not about isk, its about new, "better" items aquired in an item-shop. And yes, thats the way it usually goes, as noone buys crappy items with rl-money.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.10.06 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Umega This just in! Purchasing goods in a game through the use of money has existed since officially-sanctioned GTC trading.
FTFY.
GTCs have been around far longer than PLEX, and also allowed someone to directly trade real-life cash for ISK ù and also for characters, albeit indirectly.
However, micro-transactions are an entirely different animal. Jane Intaki paying CCP $15 on Joe Achura's behalf and receiving 330m ISK from Joe Achura is quite a different scenario than CCP accepting money, then generating advantages from scratch. It's been a matter of trade all these years, trade between players rather than between only a player and CCP.
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