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TK420
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:19:00 -
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From an article on Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/5657970/10-games-businesses-that-are-doomed
F*ck you Kotaku.
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Rheige Bladewhisper
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:23:00 -
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Did you even read what they said? Quite frankly, I agree with every word.
The TLDR is that CCP is not doomed, nor is it going to be, but Dust is almost certainly going to flop.
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TK420
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper Did you even read what they said? Quite frankly, I agree with every word.
The TLDR is that CCP is not doomed, nor is it going to be, but Dust is almost certainly going to flop.
Frankly I didn't, would go against my fanboi-ism.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:29:00 -
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:31:00 -
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Have to agree here. Dust514 on PC "could" work, as you are targeting the same group of players, and at least some of them like FPS too.
But on a console? Console players have no interest whatsoever in EVE, and why should they? They would have to buy a PC to see the rest of the world.
Thats why its doomed, and rightfully so.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper Did you even read what they said? Quite frankly, I agree with every word.
The TLDR is that CCP is not doomed, nor is it going to be, but Dust is almost certainly going to flop.
This. The only way I see Dust succeeding is if there are enough eve players who play it and pass the news on to friends etc about how they like it. That's a big if.
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 07/10/2010 23:41:52 TV Report on the subject and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:46:00 -
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Also agree. CCP going into the console FPS game is a very small fish going into a very big pool. Also, console players are much less forgiving on game-breaking bugs and horrible balance issues. At the same time, a console FPS is a hard environment to catalyze emergent gameplay and long term player cooperation. Basically, it seems like something that plays to all CCPs weaknesses and none of its strengths.
But, I've been wrong before.
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illford baker
STK Scientific IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:46:00 -
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dust could be a flop, but it wont doom CCP. dust is a big thing that no one as done, and not even CCP knows what will happen. it could be bigger than wow, or shorter than ABP, NO ONE KNOWS BECAUSE NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.10.07 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Thrasymachus TheSophist on 07/10/2010 23:59:50 That's an unfortunate article from Kotaku, I'd expect better.
Is creating the first game world that links PC to console risky? Of course. All first's are risky.
But the analysis here is horribly lacking. The author actually suggests that the brick & mortar adage of being concerned about geographical space (one's country) has relevance -- in an internet game. Sorry, but console vs. PC is nothing like marketing in U.S. vs. Japan.
Beyond that, he claims it will be hugely difficult to implement (he's a tech writer, former banker .... he may be right but I'd wait for the software engineers input) and he claims it will "actually subtract from the gameplay experience".
Huh? How so??? The key to integrating two otherwise incompatible gaming systems will be ... wait ... the integration. If the "space" game (Eve) and the "land" game (Dust) are independent, and you need in essence a session change to trasnfer between the two, then the only critical integration needed is communication. How hard can it be to have a XBOX or PS3 and a PC exchange chat messages? Not too hard I'm guessing ....
In the end, he claims CCP is overreaching. Perhaps they are? We won't kn ow until we see the game. But i will say this - it has a better chance, assuming it can pull off an exciting FPS taht is relevant in the EVE world, of creating a lasting FPS than any others.
While other FPSs are flavor of the month adn then folks move on, there is a lasting creation of value in the idea of DUST. You can be the FPS team that owns half the galaxy. You can play Eve's political system with all those PC-***s. You can make a difference beyond the 6 minute round.
We'll see I supose, but I found the article to be rather meh.
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Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
While other FPSs are flavor of the month adn then folks move on, there is a lasting creation of value in the idea of DUST. You can be the FPS team that owns half the galaxy. You can play Eve's political system with all those PC-***s. You can make a difference beyond the 6 minute round.
I think you dont play FPS on consoles. On PS3 there is basically 1 FPS that is played: Bad Company 2. All others have around 10k players per month tops if not less (MAG, Killzone2, SOCOM). I dont own X360 but guess situation is similiar there: HALO, maybe some BC2 and then nothing. Console FPSes are mostly about quick get in-play few rounds with buds-leave.
Plus another issue (which i stated a while ago): its aiming at oversaturated market FULL of (over?)hyped FPS. In Q1-Q2 2011 you will have at least 5 very good FPSes coming out on both consoles, ones people have pocket money already reserved for. If CCP drops DUST around that time... i wish them luck. I really do. Coz i doubt their marketing machine can compare to SONY or MS.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:15:00 -
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Yeah integrating EvE and DUST will be impossible. It has no chance. Would be as foolish as running a huge MMO on a single server. Simply can't be done, and anybody that tries will surely fail.... (/sarcasm)
What will make or break DUST is whether or not it is an innovative, good looking, and well-balanced FPS. If it's just Halo redone, it probably won't make it far. If it's Counterstrike hackland, it will fail. But if there is a pull to the game beyond just "you get paid by chumps on the PC server" then it stands a good chance of succeeding. Taxman IX: Risky Venture
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Rheige Bladewhisper
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:25:00 -
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Sophist, the real idiocy here is having it be a console game. As was mentioned, at least with PC they'd be guaranteed to be able to grab at least some of their EVE playing audience. Instead they're taking an untried, untested concept, which is part of a base genre that they have no experience with... and they are sending it to the consoles.
Not that I dislike consoles, rather the opposite... but why the hell are they trying to compete against utter beasts like Reach when they don't have to?
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SaeroI
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:30:00 -
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Don't worry turning EVE ONLINE into SECOND LIFE will save CCP
Who needs GAMEPLAY when we can ROLEPLAY!
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper Did you even read what they said? Quite frankly, I agree with every word.
The TLDR is that CCP is not doomed, nor is it going to be, but Dust is almost certainly going to flop.
Yea, that's pretty much my thoughts as well. It's pretty clear that CCP doesn't understand the FPS market and more so the console market player base.
They are not long term fanbois of the games they play, but instead more into the current FTM games that their friends are playing. Sure CCP will sell a lot of copies at the start assuming it's a decent game, then the Dust player base will decline until it's just the hard core players and new stragglers checking it out.
Dust should have been an addition of EVE Online via the PC and Mac using Incarna as the bridge.
I'm betting by 2 years after Dust's release it's gonna be dead or close to it. Hopefully CCP hasn't put so much into it that it's failure will affect EVE in a major way.
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Yeah integrating EvE and DUST will be impossible. It has no chance. Would be as foolish as running a huge MMO on a single server. Simply can't be done, and anybody that tries will surely fail.... (/sarcasm)
What will make or break DUST is whether or not it is an innovative, good looking, and well-balanced FPS. If it's just Halo redone, it probably won't make it far. If it's Counterstrike hackland, it will fail. But if there is a pull to the game beyond just "you get paid by chumps on the PC server" then it stands a good chance of succeeding.
This is true.
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Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2010.10.08 00:59:00 -
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Dust's strength, in my mind, is the psychology of playing in a game world created by the actions of players in a different game, and fighting their ground battles knowing that your success or failure has consequences for the players in that other game (EvE of course). Simultaneously, I'm not at all sure that the console crowd have enough depth to their thinking to be influenced by that kind of concept, however cool it may be.
And let's face it, CCP can't even write a stable windows generation routine. I often wonder why I put up with all this flaky code, and I am sure that the FPS crowd, certainly, will not tolerate bunk code.
Great concept. I applaud their risk taking, and wish them luck.
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Samuel Miner
Caldari Perilous Expedition
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:03:00 -
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I don't think its any secret that everyone believe DUST will ultimately fail. Players, Industry experts, and probably some Devs as well, all would agree.
But this is another example of CCP flying in the face of what everyone says because they feel like they know best. It will be somewhat successful and they will declare it a victory.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:07:00 -
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What, you mean carebears don't play fps.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
While other FPSs are flavor of the month adn then folks move on, there is a lasting creation of value in the idea of DUST. You can be the FPS team that owns half the galaxy. You can play Eve's political system with all those PC-***s. You can make a difference beyond the 6 minute round.
I think you dont play FPS on consoles. On PS3 there is basically 1 FPS that is played: Bad Company 2. All others have around 10k players per month tops if not less (MAG, Killzone2, SOCOM). I dont own X360 but guess situation is similiar there: HALO, maybe some BC2 and then nothing. Console FPSes are mostly about quick get in-play few rounds with buds-leave.
Plus another issue (which i stated a while ago): its aiming at oversaturated market FULL of (over?)hyped FPS. In Q1-Q2 2011 you will have at least 5 very good FPSes coming out on both consoles, ones people have pocket money already reserved for. If CCP drops DUST around that time... i wish them luck. I really do. Coz i doubt their marketing machine can compare to SONY or MS.
Actually, I do. I have a PS3 and I play a number of FPS on it. Your post proves my point. 6 months ago, the only FPS people played was MW2. I.E. - Flava of hte month. Dust has a theorteica chance of breaking the cycle since the effects are long lasting.
Plus ... You don't think IT or NC or those guys are gonna get into DUST to retain their opsition of supremacy? ... I think its a solid plan. ONly time will tell.
ps I hate how I cant see what I type when the msg gets long. FAIL
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SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:20:00 -
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I actually totally agree with everything he stated concerning CCP and DUST514. Did the OP actually read it? You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Selous
Bi-Polar Bears
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:34:00 -
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I do not own a console
I have no interest in owning a console.
I will not be forced into owning a console.
Having a console game affecting my eve game is the same as saying the locals hookers will affect my game .
If they give a blojob , I get better rewards for ratting in my system ?.
if they get an all night contract , I get mining bonuses ?
If a customer breaks their face for not swallowing , should I lose a pos somewhere ?
As far as I am concerned a console affecting my game is the same as the basildon hookers affecting it , period ( not theirs unless you insist ).
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:36:00 -
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Pitching an FPS at a console just so you can avoid diluting your PC/Mac customer base is idiotic. FPSs are so utterly unnatural on consoles that I can't believe anyone plays them. And it's only going to be Eve players that will want to play it anyway. |
Deva Blackfire
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2010 01:41:13 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 08/10/2010 01:40:06
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
Actually, I do. I have a PS3 and I play a number of FPS on it. Your post proves my point. 6 months ago, the only FPS people played was MW2. I.E. - Flava of hte month. Dust has a theorteica chance of breaking the cycle since the effects are long lasting.
More like flavour of the year. 2009 was KZ2, 2010 BC2 (and MW2 for those who dont play BC2). And i believe 2011 will be KZ3 (especially with multi improvements), wheras end of 2011/2012 prolly another Battlefield.
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Plus ... You don't think IT or NC or those guys are gonna get into DUST to retain their opsition of supremacy? ... I think its a solid plan. ONly time will tell.
Supremacy over what? Failed PI? Wow we can deny WHOLE 30mil isk per day to other alliance. That will TOTALLY cripple them. PI is minor system that doesnt really matter in grand scheme of things and is even less important for alliance life (in the end you can just buy components from empire-PI-bots).
Quote: FPSs are so utterly unnatural on consoles that I can't believe anyone plays them.
Have you ever played FPS on consoles? Or you just post another internet meme (is that even a meme?).
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Kaito Kenshin
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:41:00 -
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All points are valid. However, every PS3 ownder I know plans on buying Dust. *shrugs*
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:52:00 -
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I predict CCP will make more money next year than this year. I am not sure I will like the company any more for it though. I will be trying out SW when its released and play both and see if the go with the same model...
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Xiang Jiao
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Posted - 2010.10.08 01:53:00 -
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The silver lining here is even if the bold venture that is Dust flops, we still have MT in Eve to put food on the plates of CCP employees.
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Selous
Bi-Polar Bears
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Posted - 2010.10.08 02:03:00 -
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I wish them well with the game
I hope it succeeds and makes lots of real money
The more money they make , the more they invest in EVE , I hope
But I really cant understand, or have any interest in, something, I will not be involved in, have no control of, having an effect on the game I play ( see reference to Basildon hookers in previous post )
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 02:05:00 -
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I think they'll pull it off.
The basic game-play of collecting BPOs for new equipment and working your way up to leading squads will be massively addicting to the average PS3 player. I mean console players are already total achievement *****s, this just brings it to a new level
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LordSwift
Caldari Syndicate of Steel
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Posted - 2010.10.08 02:20:00 -
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if it flops it flops. to be honest i am going to buy it and play it while i mine or something. CCP have stated that the impact dust players will have on eve will be minimal at best. It is a standalone game that if it dies. Nothing will be affected in eve. Talk about fanboyism in this thread. urgh.
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