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Matthias Howe
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.08 02:37:00 -
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All I know is that the guy in charge of patches is new or something. Maybe an intern.
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Allestin Villimar
Zebra Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.08 02:55:00 -
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Here's a hint: Don't read anything kotaku puts out.
90% of it is nothing more than flamebait designed to stir up controversy. Another 9% of it is written by people who don't know anything. And then you have the remaining 1% of it that might be worth reading. ...in bed. |
LittleTerror
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Posted - 2010.10.08 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: TK420 From an article on Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/5657970/10-games-businesses-that-are-doomed
F*ck you Kotaku.
It has codemasters mentioned on the site with its own logo, DIDN'T READ.
Can I have your stuff? |
LittleTerror
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Posted - 2010.10.08 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: LittleTerror on 08/10/2010 03:09:06
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Edited by: Thrasymachus TheSophist on 07/10/2010 23:59:50 That's an unfortunate article from Kotaku, I'd expect better.
Is creating the first game world that links PC to console risky? Of course. All first's are risky.
But the analysis here is horribly lacking. The author actually suggests that the brick & mortar adage of being concerned about geographical space (one's country) has relevance -- in an internet game. Sorry, but console vs. PC is nothing like marketing in U.S. vs. Japan.
Beyond that, he claims it will be hugely difficult to implement (he's a tech writer, former banker .... he may be right but I'd wait for the software engineers input) and he claims it will "actually subtract from the gameplay experience".
Huh? How so??? The key to integrating two otherwise incompatible gaming systems will be ... wait ... the integration. If the "space" game (Eve) and the "land" game (Dust) are independent, and you need in essence a session change to trasnfer between the two, then the only critical integration needed is communication. How hard can it be to have a XBOX or PS3 and a PC exchange chat messages? Not too hard I'm guessing ....
In the end, he claims CCP is overreaching. Perhaps they are? We won't kn ow until we see the game. But i will say this - it has a better chance, assuming it can pull off an exciting FPS taht is relevant in the EVE world, of creating a lasting FPS than any others.
While other FPSs are flavor of the month adn then folks move on, there is a lasting creation of value in the idea of DUST. You can be the FPS team that owns half the galaxy. You can play Eve's political system with all those PC-***s. You can make a difference beyond the 6 minute round.
We'll see I supose, but I found the article to be rather meh.
What really you expected a bunch of self **** sucking ***got, nerd, trolling, **** ****s to come up with something more than ugh eve is **** its gonna die srsly listen to us uninstall it save your money... Srsly I hate game reviews, they are always opinion and never fact, i've played so many games in my time that had bad reviews and loved every single one of them Because I don't listen to sweaty nerds that only play dumb ****.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.10.08 03:48:00 -
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DUST is dying!!!
... and so it begins... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.08 04:15:00 -
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I read it, and there is a lot of sense in what the author is writing, and he's not coming off as "anti-CCP".
On a side note, if Eve is one of the last few "pay to play" games left (and I predicted in 2007 that a day would come when we look at online game subscriptions the way we know look at paying for an email account back in the 1990s), then it will be riff-raff free.
To save Dust514 before its demise, CCP should seriously consider two things:
- Make it a PC-based game. Period. - Make the maps customizable by the CEOs of the corporations holding the installation. In other words, it's your Planetary complex, you should configure it. This will have corporations working more closely with map designers in their corp - and being able to build your own maps in a FPS is a big deal. - Put an intermediate level of combat between ground and space - jet fighters or something if that nature flyable by both capsuleers and Dust players. - On-ship combat and in stations too. Yes lets go balls to the walls.
(if CCP will fail, let it be a legendary failure).
My worthless 2 cents.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.10.08 07:35:00 -
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Well one good point is that the cheaters are much easyer to get rid of from xbox. Still takes a while but when bungie whips out the ban hammer tens of thousands lose the ability to get onto xbox live. I know of several people who have been forced to get new accounts several times in a year and each time it cost them ú40 (now ú50) or they had to get a new console.
Personaly I hope dust fills the void that planetside left.
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2010.10.08 07:47:00 -
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If anybody but CCP was gonna try to do this I wouldn't even give it a chance.
The initial rush of people buying the game is gonna pay for production. Something with a "first of a kind" appeal like this is gonna sell.
Eve players are the extreme end of the gaming spectrum consoler's are the other end, surely CCP don't expect the same attention span
Game breaking bugs No worse than anyone else and better than most IMO. Only one i've seen was boot.ini and that one was so wonderfully simple and destructive I find hard to really hate it.
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Ned Black
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Posted - 2010.10.08 08:09:00 -
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If dust came to PC I would most likely try it out... but since it will be consols only I won't. It's as simple as that.
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Rovan Stargazer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.08 10:56:00 -
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I think that Xbox players will not care about connection between EvE and Dust, and Dust will have to be as good or better than fps games that are dominating xbox market for years (halo, CoD), and that most likely will not happen. Beeing a fps with subscription will not help either.
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac What, you mean carebears don't play fps.
They play spreadsheets... where the win is to achieve some irrelevant isk/hour figure, so they can then post it on the forums so that other carebears who also play spreadsheets can go, 'Ooooooh, I need to change my underwear... you are so totally awesome' |
Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:15:00 -
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I still don't get the purpose of linking the two games toghever, I am under the impression that it has something to do with PI, but PI was almost fail out of the box, there were threads with people complaining theres little money to be made in PI, so are people really going to bother fighting over these pointless resources when you can just go mine for a few hours without the headache of trying to organise your console counterparts and probably make more money mining too?
I don't think PI was as succesful as CCP hoped it would be, anybody making a significant amount of money in PI is devoting a lot of time into it, how will making it take more time and effort help this situation? Surely people will jsut abandon PI
I get the feeling CCP have something else planned, something they haven't let us know, so you cannot really forecast how DUST 514 is going to be received. |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:30:00 -
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The sooner it flops the better and CCP can stop wasting development time on some stupid generic FP****e. ~_~
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Alt FTW
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Selous I wish them well with the game
I hope it succeeds and makes lots of real money
The more money they make , the more they invest in EVE , I hope
Unfortunately, that's not how it works in the gaming industry. CCP is big enough to invest in EVE whatever they think will maximise profits, regardless of Dust.
If Dust fails, which is ridiculously likely, they may have to recover their losses by cutting down on EVE. (Or not, depending on how well they have separated their financial commitments).
If Dust becomes a success, CCP won't invest that money in EVE but in other, similar projects in order to "diversify" and "grow". This is not good for EVE, as these developments tend to reduce the commitment of a company to its original star product.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.08 11:59:00 -
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I know more then a few console players who are FPS fanatics, who love mmo's but can not handle time investment required for EVE and other MMO's, but have shown interest in being able to contrinbute to the EVE Universe without having to play the PC game.
Slade
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MadManMaura
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.08 13:29:00 -
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I dont see why they woul allienate there pc players with this move to be honest.
And the biggest issue is I dont see how it works, seriously ground troops are obsolere I would just nuke the planet from orbit.
Who ever controls the skies controls the planet
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2010.10.08 13:52:00 -
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Very good and fair criticism of the whole DUST endeavor.
CCP better do a rock solid showing and well thought out gameplay integration with the main PC game on this one.
Consoleros are a fickle bunch. They won¦t take the crap PC gamers put up with just to play a fancy FPS. And we only take the crap because there are no real alternatives to EVE ATM. _________________________________________________
Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2010.10.08 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: MadManMaura And the biggest issue is I dont see how it works, seriously ground troops are obsolere I would just nuke the planet from orbit.
Who ever controls the skies controls the planet
TOTAL BS. Stop believing TV propaganda and start learning about history. Hint: EYErak, Afghan. _________________________________________________
Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Dankiss
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:05:00 -
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I dont think its too hard to integrate them, If they are just fighting on planets the action can be taken in the game after the battle has been waged in DUST. However i do wish they made it for PC and not consoles, as I enjoy taking a break from EvE to play games that are more fast paced like quake 3 arena or other shooters. Dust to eve and back to DUST would be fun for me personally, but having to go to my 360 to get a dust game in just doesnt seem easy. Not to mention you know everyone who plays eve will have a PC so why not make it on what you know your customer base already owns...
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: TK420 From an article on Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/5657970/10-games-businesses-that-are-doomed
F*ck you Kotaku.
oh no, some blogger on the internet said we're all doomed, it must be true _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
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Mehrune Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:23:00 -
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If Dust requires a monthly fee, it will flop for sure. I can't think of any pay-to-play FPS that has ever succeeded. There was a new one that just went out of business, All Points Bulletin or something like that. FPS just can't stand up in the monthly fee market.
If it turns out to be something like MAG, but with more sci-fi it should turn out great. MMORPG players probably don't understand hardcore FPS players, it's not the storyline that matters, it's the game play. Counter-Strike is an epic FPS to this day and it has no storyline at all.
Of course storyline does help, if you have a good one. But it's not a game-breaking thing. One of my favorite FPS to this day is Timesplitters: Future Perfect, and it had a laughably bad storyline, but was very, very fun to play.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:24:00 -
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Funny thing is that those self-proclaimed experts predicted with exactly the same arguments ("never done before", "too ambitious", "no clue about the business") the doom of EVE before it was even started. And look where EVE is today!
If DUST is done right, it will be totally fantastic. If it is done wrong, it will flop.
So what? That is valid for every business and you don't need to be a genius to figure that out.
Tell me something new. |
MadManMaura
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: MadManMaura And the biggest issue is I dont see how it works, seriously ground troops are obsolere I would just nuke the planet from orbit.
Who ever controls the skies controls the planet
TOTAL BS. Stop believing TV propaganda and start learning about history. Hint: EYErak, Afghan.
I did air power won the war in both iraq and afganistan and this small one called WWII or are did I miss something. the insurgents there are nothing but a nusiance something that could be be solved if the troops were alowed to go roman on there asses and just execute people raze entire towns to the ground and salt the earth which today can be down with a joystick form 1000s of miles away
Second if either of those coutnires had any airpower troops would never of been able to land, hence my point if a planet is in an alliances terrirtory how did the troops get there.
And imagine if the USA had RT footage of the entire battle area 24/7 and was able to pinpoint strike from orbit for either an individual or a building or take out an entire region. Or if the USA had interplanetary capability and settelements on otherworls they could go screw earth and rolls in a couple titans and wipes the planet from the map.
Airpower is the key to dominance unless you think cowering in a cave is wining.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: MadManMaura I did air power won the war in both iraq and afganistan
News at 11
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Talin
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Posted - 2010.10.08 14:54:00 -
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So angry.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:18:00 -
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The smartest thing CCP did with dust is the engine they designed it in. Since they're using the Unreal engine (last I heard it was Unreal) they could potentially port it to PC if consoles don't pan out as they expected.
I would venture a guess its really not going to be *that* difficult to integrate the interactions between the two "worlds" it's all just a bunch of data sitting in their database that gets updated depending on the outcome of a "match" or whatever is going to be the basis of dust missioning.
I don't think dust is going to do well. It will probably do ok for about a year then die when the next kewl fps comes out and everyone jumps ship for that. Every single call of duty release will be a punch in the gut to dust, and whatever else along those lines that comes out. Console gamers have severe ADD when it comes to what they play. I don't see dust being compelling enough to keep anyone's attention for more than a year really.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:22:00 -
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I don't think the DUST/EVE connection is going to be near enough for DUST to be successful in such a cut-throat gaming genre as console FPS. And unfortunately, when you have an instance of a company investing so much time, effort and money into an endeavor that fails miserably that company will often capsize. I hope the $1,000,000-a month revenue or so from Eve will be enough to hold CCP up if/when this happens. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust I don't think the DUST/EVE connection is going to be near enough for DUST to be successful in such a cut-throat gaming genre as console FPS. And unfortunately, when you have an instance of a company investing so much time, effort and money into an endeavor that fails miserably that company will often capsize. I hope the $1,000,000-a month revenue or so from Eve will be enough to hold CCP up if/when this happens.
CCP will be fine regardless if dust succeeds in the long term or not.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: "Someone from the first page"
Beyond that, he claims it will be hugely difficult to implement (he's a tech writer, former banker .... he may be right but I'd wait for the software engineers input) and he claims it will "actually subtract from the gameplay experience".
A connection to a database is a connection to a database, regardless of the platform that it is originating from. To be fair to the staff at CCP, I think they PROBABLY have the hang of writing SQL considering that EVE is just an SQL database with a fancy interfcae. \0/ Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist |
Gravemind GER
Caldari Pyromaniac Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.08 15:50:00 -
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thanks for your delicious tears
the connection is possible xbox with pc, the xbox already has a connection to teh internets, face**** and spytwitter aaaaand windows live messenger... i for one think, dust will be possible but i think microsoft is the big wall you must climb up
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