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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:13:00 -
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I hear breaking CCP's NDA is all fun and games and they never ever ban accounts over it.
If I wasn't under the same NDA I'd counter your lame rant. Nyan |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
367
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:31:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:CCP have said they are launching Dust on PS3.
I bolded the important word there. Better be released on pc at a later but soon date or i will statt kicking gms in the nuts. Not a threat. A promise. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:46:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'll just say what I've always said on this: If DUST 514 is fun then it will be a success. If it's lame and Halo 4 is better I'm playing Halo 4. Haven't played DUST yet still need to buy a PS3... but I will at some point.
I am thinking it is not worth the purchase of PS3 just to play dust. I have seen other reviews and the common theme is it is not worth it. Maybe try it out first on someone elses PS3 before you sink cash into a ps3.
What I am trying to say is Dust 514 is not s destination game. It is not good enough to warrant the purchase of a PS3 if you do not already own one. So sorry Sony but it ain't happening. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
45
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:50:00 -
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Compare minecraft to dust? rofl
legos?
Hey guess what ALL those have something in common... they are buidling games... like a new erectorset...
Dust is NOT going to be that... it is gona fail... and well... with the new plans CCP has for eve... **** it might just fail the same time eve does. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
28
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:58:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Gogela wrote:I'll just say what I've always said on this: If DUST 514 is fun then it will be a success. If it's lame and Halo 4 is better I'm playing Halo 4. Haven't played DUST yet still need to buy a PS3... but I will at some point. I am thinking it is not worth the purchase of PS3 just to play dust. I have seen other reviews and the common theme is it is not worth it. Maybe try it out first on someone elses PS3 before you sink cash into a ps3. What I am trying to say is Dust 514 is not a destination game. It is not good enough to warrant the purchase of a PS3 if you do not already own one. So sorry Sony but it ain't happening.
I would wait for a year before even considering buying an console game machine, if even that. Better to see if dusties stick around first. |
marVLs
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:00:00 -
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I think making FPS game to company such a long term game as EVE was a bad choice, RTS would be better |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
360
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:13:00 -
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Deep down I think most gamers knew dust wasn't going to be able to compete with other consol shooters.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
360
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:16:00 -
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marVLs wrote:I think making FPS game to company such a long term game as EVE was a bad choice, RTS would be better
Hmmm yeah an RTS would have been cool actually...
Dust would have been beter as a 3rd person shooter IMO. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1174
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:19:00 -
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Friend of mine is trying it out.
He says its fun enough when he has nothing else to do. He might play it when it comes out fully. Might buy me a PS3 so we can both play it... I won't complain.
His biggest issue is simply the graphics. He feels in a lot of areas they are lower than modern console shooters.
He does however like the setup. Of course, he also takes about an hour to set up a character for MP of War for Cybertron.
I don't know how Dust will do. I do know that I prefer EVE. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
360
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:21:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:I'm only a EVE player by a few months but I have to agree with the OP. However!
Xbox 360 had a game called Chromehounds, which was a launch title that involved micro transactions (the default live subscription as well), robotic tactical warfare and lots of fitting and preparation. It ended up obtaining a die hard player base and lasted for years before SEGA finally turned the servers off.
You never know, PS3 has tons of over-entitled college/university students as it's main player base. They should feel the call of a game that will "prove" they're smarter and more 'loldeep' than the average console gamer.
CCP can win this one, just need to play it carefully. Also I like Command and Conquer but I'm not going near that, 4 never happened. *rocks back and forth*
tl;dr: You may be pleasantly surprised, console gamers aren't as finicky as the common EVE player.
Chromehounds was an awesome game but it had major connection problems.
Eventually sega shut the servers down due to a lack of players. Could this happen to dust? |
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
94
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Posted - 2012.08.03 06:46:00 -
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I still think CCP shows vision and a conciderable ammount of balls with this project... BUT I don't think it will fly.
Why? Well first off, I think CCP doesn't really know the audience they are aiming for... Is it EVE players? I don't think so, judging by myself, I play EVE because it is the only game if it's breed. I don't care to play another game in it's universe, especially not an FPS... besides that, I only own an old X360 and no PS3 and I suck a controller shooting.^^
So, EVE players aside, what else could be the target audience? Console FPS players? I think they are too fickle a bunch to count on for anything... and I don't think they care for EVE much... why should they? It's just another shooter setting to them, like Halo, Gears of War, etc.
So, the question is: Who will play it in the end? And for how long? And most importantly, will that audience warrent the production affort that CCP put into that game... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
16
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:24:00 -
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Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released. |
NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:43:00 -
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Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released.
DayZ Mod is fun! thats only a mod and is in beta!
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
898
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:06:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released. DayZ Mod is fun! thats only a mod and is in beta! I can call my butthole beta, and it is already better than any AAA butthole ever released. Nyan |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
65
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:06:00 -
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Well I hate to say it but it's a big up in the air question of "Will it blend?"
Not a joke there, the only selling point Dust has over other games is a link with a large expansive game; EVE. With out that blend, mix, integration, ect. It's just you average FPS |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
106
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:43:00 -
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Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:Well I hate to say it but it's a big up in the air question of "Will it blend?"
Not a joke there, the only selling point Dust has over other games is a link with a large expansive game; EVE. With out that blend, mix, integration, ect. It's just you average FPS
Yup, it all comes down do that... if this concept flys, DUST, and EVE for that matter, will prosper... if not... "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
17
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:27:00 -
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NickyYo wrote: DayZ Mod is fun! thats only a mod and is in beta!
DayZ is being designed differently. Two core differences are thus:
First of all, DayZ is being built on an existing engine, so they're doing it one small step at a time upon an already fun game.
Second, and more importantly, the way that DayZ is being developed is much different and much more short term. It follows the same development cycle as Minecraft. They're developing one feature, balancing it somewhat, throwing it into the game at a functional level, and not working on other features until that feature is almost release quality.
Most big titles aren't designed this way for several reasons. First of all, because they focus on each individual part, they run into problems later on when they try to add more features and need to keep changing all their old stuff to account for it. It takes much longer. Secondly, by planning to develop everything at once and balance it all together, they make it easier to code down the road and avoid lots of bugs.
How many times in Minecraft did they have to halt development to go back and retroactively adjust their code cause they didn't plan that far ahead? Similar problem: Look at the issues with scalability and balance that result in expansion packs for games that didn't design that far ahead. I hate to be "that guy", but you ever seen how bad World of Warcraft is after each expansion? It blows. Well, it always blew, but every time one of my friends shows me something it looks even worse. Point is, they're designing long term. The game might suck now, but it's not a finished product. Sit tight. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
203
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:42:00 -
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Ive heard people still watch old Doctor Who episodes.
You would wonder why they bother, the special effects are terrible, some "monsters" are literally dudes running around with rugs on their heads. I guess people watch it for the story.
The thing that makes EVE different from any other other MMO is the games depth (like Doctor Whos story), some of that depth will carry over into Dust.
The graphics of Dust514 might end up being worse than the next big face shooter, but i think its unlikely any other standalone face shooter will give you as much reason to shoot people in the face as Dust will.
Its a hybrid, its not fair to compare it to common purebreds. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
841
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:45:00 -
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Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released.
IMO DUST514 should be a lot more like WoT or MWO than first person shooter. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1061
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:46:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Update, my 12 year old brother has been playing for about 20 mins, he never touched the skillsheet or the market. Just point and shoot. He is now playing COD.
DUST is gunna need a miracle i have a few ideas, i will post in features section but i doubt CCP will listen they never do..
good, 12 years shouldn't be playing dust. Let them play COD so we don't have to play with children http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Kalla Vera Quiroga
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.04 02:52:00 -
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Although I've never tried Renegade online, there is this little awesome mod for Doom made after it, if its as similar as the OP said, then I wouldn't be able to wait to play it. Hit or miss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wvlctieiuk |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2318
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Posted - 2012.08.04 03:09:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You are underestimating the intellectual level of the console players.
Just like EVE Online, there will be those who will engage in a more complicated game than your so-called simple straight-shooter games.
You are writing on a wrong forum. You are basing the general populous to your 12 year old brother. There is no logic to your opinion. Everything is wrong with your thread.
This should be locked. Welcome to any thread NickyYo has ever started. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1680
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Posted - 2012.08.04 03:57:00 -
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I'd just like to take the time to point out that the Diablo III demo only included the content up to the first boss fight, on normal difficulty. Even with such limitations it got rave reviews. Once it was released it was quickly panned, to the point where people just avoid talking about it anymore. So pay no attention to what people say about a game based on a beta or demo.
As many people as possible should join the beta to get a taste of it for themselves rather than relying on the opinions of idiots. The graphics are poor because this is a very early build (this is stated in the CSM minutes). Look at the DUST gameplay videos that have been released to see what the graphics will look like in the future. The gameplay is already interesting (public knowledge, check the videos).
I am sure that DUST will not appeal to the Counterstrike types who just want to turn on the console, blow people up for fifteen minutes, then set the table while Mum serves dinner. I am sure that DUST will appeal to people who want deep gameplay, a complex world in which to demonstrate that they are smarter that the other guys, and the opportunity for teamwork to produce awesome results.
What will DUST's active player count be? I expect somewhere around 1% of the PS3-owning population (about the proportion of "people who bought Diablo III" versus "people who play EVE Online"). With EVE Uni and a bunch of other folks getting into the player-training racket, I would expect to find a bunch of guides appearing along the lines of "DUST514 for Counterstrike players": basically guides to help people who play other shooters to transition as painlessly as possible into the more complex environment of DUST (train X, then Y, use this fitting, then just run around shooting stuff like you used to do).
EVE Uni, Agony and Goonswarm have training programs for new players: I think the hardest thing for CCP will be getting brand new players in contact with the player-driven training organisations before they quit the game in disgust. Hopefully there will be a tutorial like EVE currently has: walk the player through PvE missions (at Fanfest there was talk about PvE versus rogue drones), teach them about fittings, using particular modules (how do remote repairers and shield transfers work in a FPS?) and handling the capture mechanics (E3 video).
DUST will never appeal to the folks who love COD for it's instant-on action. The skill tree and fitting window will likely turn those people off the game:
Clueless Noob wrote:what?!? I have to use my brain? In order to use the Falcon I have to train three month's worth of skills including Engineering, Electronics Upgrades and Electronic Warfare? I can't fit a missile launcher because my armour plate uses too much CPU? Yikes! And why are people laughing at me for fitting a shield booster and armour repairer? Why is that guy a hero for fitting 1600mm plate to a shield tanking ship? Why is this guy in the Slasher able to blow up my Dominix? Why isn't he taking damage from my lasers? I DON'T UNDERSTAND! I HATE THIS GAME!
Just because DUST didn't appeal to one 12yo COD-player doesn't mean it won't appeal to anyone.
I just want to know whether mining in DUST is done with lasers or a pickaxe. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mirajane Cromwell
78
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Posted - 2012.08.04 04:53:00 -
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Planetside 2 is coming to PCs soon and I think it will compete in the market with Dust 514 due to being so similar. Planetside 2 is a mmofps where you try to conquer continents with thousands of other players in a persistent world (sounds familiar?). I think this Planetside 2 video explains it pretty well what it's all about.
Now I would like to try Dust 514 but since I don't own PS3, I can't play it (and I won't buy PS3 just for that reason). All I can do is hope that Dust comes to PC some day - until that I'll probably play Planetside 2 instead... |
Sophia Trinidad
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.04 05:19:00 -
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It could just be me, and it frequently is but... The designers of a PC game with a nice following decide to make a console game and later wonder why not many PC players are interested. Its like owning a vegan restaurant with a nice crown and then deciding to open a red-meat burger joint right beside it and wondering why your current fan base is not interested. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
368
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Posted - 2012.08.04 05:24:00 -
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Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released. Look at diablo 3. Ur argument has been rendered null, void, and invalid. Htfu |
Anazzar
Howling Stones Mining Corporation
20
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:16:00 -
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I guess it kind of payed off for CCP to go consoles ironically because it doesn't hold a candle to PS2 sadly, although im not sure the if that's the fault of the limitations of consoles.
Makes me wonder if CCP invested more into the concept of incarna rather than wod or dust would we be playing in an immersive SiFi world rather than spaceships with a room.
Still, spaceships is good enough for me I guess. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:39:00 -
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Errr you call that are review?
Don't quit your day job. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Caroline Cosmos
Phoenix Rise Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:41:00 -
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Trying to aim with a right analog stick just blows. I've tried it on several games and can never get used to it. Everything in a console FPS feels like you are drowning in syrup too.
Not that this has anything to do with this thread, but I'm playing D514 and don't want to say anything to violate the NDA. |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:59:00 -
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IF dust was ever released on PC I would probubly buy it. However I am NOT purchasing a fail PS3 which is already how many years old? Which will be outdated very soon by a new gen of consoles, jsut for 1 game, which lets be honest, if its graphics are designed around a out dated console will be poor at best |
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