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Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:19:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Last time I said Dust will be an epic failure, I got forum banned for 6 months, so I will refrain this time.
You will see... :P
You weren't forum banned when you said Muslims are a parasite race so I think you should just not hold back and go nuts.
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
163
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:59:00 -
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Online games market is too dense lately to tolerate mediocre games as SWTOR release clearly indicated. However with F2P model even SWTOR has a chance to become popular. Not so sure about Dust: there will be Planetside 2.
I've participated in 4 online MMO game betas during last 12 months (Dust excluded - I don't have console) and 3 of them were major disappointment right from first 10 minutes (especially D3) + 4th title (SWTOR) was boring after couple of weeks anyway. Developers lately are unable to create anything even remotely as good as were DAoC or UO. I wouldn't hope Dust will be an exclusion of this trend. Sad story. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D Internet Guardians
840
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:59:00 -
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Why are people commenting on this game when they clearly lack any understanding about its development, who it is aimed at and have not even played the beta themselves?
Sophia Trinidad wrote:
It could just be me, and it frequently is but... The designers of a PC game with a nice following decide to make a console game and later wonder why not many PC players are interested. Its like owning a vegan restaurant with a nice crown and then deciding to open a red-meat burger joint right beside it and wondering why your current fan base is not interested.
Here's a little hint for you, it's not designed for EVE players, it's designed for console players. CCP aren't interested in getting PC fans to play it, they want to EXPAND their market base by venturing in to the console market. Hope that clears it up for you.
Ms Kat wrote:
IF dust was ever released on PC I would probubly buy it. However I am NOT purchasing a fail PS3 which is already how many years old? Which will be outdated very soon by a new gen of consoles, jsut for 1 game, which lets be honest, if its graphics are designed around a out dated console will be poor at best.
Since you are a troll I don't expect this to sink in too quickly, but surprise surprise, CCP and Sony have thought about this rather simple fact and have already announced that DUST514 will also be compatible (with little to no effort) with the next generation of Sony consoles. As to CCP wanting you to buy a console to play DUST, they couldn't care less if you did or not. They are targeting the game at people who ALREADY own a PS3. So you can wind your neck in now.
Silly people with no understanding should learn to research, or learn to stay silent.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1063
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:43:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:IF dust was ever released on PC I would probubly buy it. However I am NOT purchasing a fail PS3 which is already how many years old? Which will be outdated very soon by a new gen of consoles, jsut for 1 game, which lets be honest, if its graphics are designed around a out dated console will be poor at best
see bf3 on ps3 now see warhawk on ps3 released 5 years ago.
also sony already confirmed no ps4 until 2014 at the soonest. If not 2015. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:54:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Ok just played the DUST 514 BETA, and my first impressions are not good.
I want to make clear that yes this is BETA and a lot of work is still being done but i feel no matter how much work they put in, it won't improve the game in the long run. Wait wut? I must disagree, even w/o playing it. Look:
it: free to download and play they: console players me: carpet bombing the console players from orbit!!!
Guaranteed success!
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NickyYo
StarHug
191
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Posted - 2012.08.04 10:07:00 -
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Webvan wrote:NickyYo wrote:Ok just played the DUST 514 BETA, and my first impressions are not good.
I want to make clear that yes this is BETA and a lot of work is still being done but i feel no matter how much work they put in, it won't improve the game in the long run. Wait wut? I must disagree, even w/o playing it. Look: it: free to download and play they: console players me: carpet bombing the console players from orbit!!! Guaranteed success!
I hope so. .. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.04 10:43:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:[I hope so. I do hope it ports some day, I mean to PC. After all, I've never carpet bombed myself from orbit before. But yeah, I think it'll have some merit on the PS3, being free and all there. Hard to beat as far as not paying to get into the game while the others you mentioned have an initial price tag.
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Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
841
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Posted - 2012.08.04 13:15:00 -
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I think one of the CSM's said that they wouldn't play it ... only if it was made available on the PC, and even that was a maybe. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Bruce Wie
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.04 13:20:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Here to state
"Gameplay > Graphics"
Ever played Minecraft? Is there a minecraft on console?
Eh yeah Dumvass Your tinfoil hat is in the post. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
63
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Posted - 2012.08.04 13:26:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:IF dust was ever released on PC I would probably buy it. However I am NOT purchasing a fail PS3 which is already how many years old? Which will be outdated very soon by a new gen of consoles, just for 1 game, which lets be honest, if its graphics are designed around a out dated console will be poor at best
So....you'll never by any of the current gen consoles? They were all released at around the same time so they're all equally old/terrible.
Also, you should get a web browser with spell check. Had to go through your post and fix spelling errors.
EDIT: This will hopefully grab the attention of the PS3 players who want a challenge and not just mindless rounds of CoD.
Fingers crossed |
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Samantha Avalon
Colonial Mining Squadron Black Nova Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.08.04 13:29:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:I foresee the future..
6 months after DUST514 release CCP will make a press release stating they were wrong and that they are sorry they are now going to release it on PC and will listen to the eve players again...
Thus meaning all eves current management will be sacked, sorry if im wrong saying that but that is what a foresee. How many **** ups is there going to be with eve and dust combined? in the near future? i foresee alot!
And you think EVE just appeared on the market and was a great success instantly? With no flaws, the best graphics ever invented and the smoothest game play around? Should try not bashing it in the beta and give actual constructive reviews on what they can fix it to make it a good game. |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
20
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Posted - 2012.08.04 13:36:00 -
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Samantha Avalon wrote:NickyYo wrote:I foresee the future..
6 months after DUST514 release CCP will make a press release stating they were wrong and that they are sorry they are now going to release it on PC and will listen to the eve players again...
Thus meaning all eves current management will be sacked, sorry if im wrong saying that but that is what a foresee. How many **** ups is there going to be with eve and dust combined? in the near future? i foresee alot! And you think EVE just appeared on the market and was a great success instantly? With no flaws, the best graphics ever invented and the smoothest game play around? Should try not bashing it in the beta and give actual constructive reviews on what they can fix it to make it a good game.
The problem is that in the present day market, with so many well established competitors with well polished games, its very difficult on new releases; there are always going to be bugs in early releases of games especially MMOs. People coming from existing MMOs trying these games out seem to be inevitably disappointed because of this and drift back to the games they were accustomed to. This is probably something to do with why NO new MMO has been successful for a very long time. Many have tried, they all failed.
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
80
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:12:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:So, EVE players aside, what else could be the target audience? Console FPS players? I think they are too fickle a bunch to count on for anything... and I don't think they care for EVE much... why should they? It's just another shooter setting to them, like Halo, Gears of War, etc.
Yes, the target audience is console FPS gamers. Why is this even a question? It's been broadcast in mile-high neon letters since the game was first announced. The reason has also been given, and the foundations of your dismissal are definitely showing your dogmatic ignorance.
I'm gonna cut this down to bite-size statements so they're easy for your PC Gaming Master Race gut to digest:
- There are EVE players who also play console FPS games. (These are not the core demographic, but they disprove your generalization that console players couldn't care about EVE)
- There are console FPS players who are interested in EVE but don't want to play it. (I have a feeling you're lazily bunching these with "don't care about EVE", which is wrong)
- There are console FPS players who don't just drop their game and jump on the next sequel - because they don't want to or can't afford it. (Games like Battlefield and CoD are actually damned expensive, and hammer you with DLC every three to six months)
- There are console FPS players who would stick to a single game if the developers and publishers would actually support them. (The sheer success of DLC in the above-mentioned games makes it clear that console gamers can actually stick with a title for a long while provided there's continued support and development. However, for the publisher it's much easier and rewarding to market new games - even if they are exactly the same... )
- There are console FPS players who are getting tired of the constant dumbing down of their genre and are clamoring for a deep hardcore experience.
I'm sure you're also one of those people who smirk knowingly when people point out that the new CoD games are exactly the same, just with new maps, and yet they still sell well (I know I do ). What does that tell you? It means that players would much rather stick to what they know: the same game. Halo doesn't even enter into this discussion, because that's an XBOX game, but those games are also very close to each other in terms of gameplay and have a very dedicated player-base.
So it actually seems like the idea that console FPS gamers have the attention span of chipmunks and dive on the first new title that comes out is drivel. What is actually going on is that players stick with the game series that they are used to. Console players are also more hard-core than people give them credit for. They grind stats like crazy, they find the cheesiest and most effective weapons and kits...
Now imagine that there was a company that came out and said "Hey, we're gonna make a game that's free and we're never gonna stop developing it. We're gonna have massive content patches every three or six months that give you new planets and game types and mechs and arenas and hordes! There's gonna be so much kit and guns and vehicles to play with and exploit that you'll soil yourself! Every match will have an impact on a greater world, and we will value and reward you for being our customer."
Don't you think that might be a little more interesting than you give it creditt? Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Kheeria
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:20:00 -
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Caroline Cosmos wrote:Trying to aim with a right analog stick just blows. I've tried it on several games and can never get used to it. Everything in a console FPS feels like you are drowning in syrup too.
Not that this has anything to do with this thread, but I'm playing D514 and don't want to say anything to violate the NDA. Dust has mouse and keyboard support, your post is invalid. |
Kheeria
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:24:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:I think one of the CSM's said that they wouldn't play it ... only if it was made available on the PC, and even that was a maybe. Yes, because trying it for yourself and making up your own opinion is hard. |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:25:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:I would also like to point out that this game DUST514 is more aimed for pc players not console players, console players need instant attention satisfaction point and shoot. Not all this setting up etc hence why redalert failed on console. Confirming that all console gamers only play CoD and there has never been a deep or complex game on a console ever. |
Garresh
Opposite of Low
18
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:41:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released. Look at diablo 3. Ur argument has been rendered null, void, and invalid. Htfu
The open beta for Diablo 3 started...wait for it...A FEW MONTHS BEFORE RELEASE. You just proved my point. Also, if you look at Diablo 3's success(or lack theirof), you realize that they designed the game around level 1-13 to build hype, only to leave their Hell and forward endgame content in the shitter, which resulted in the game failing on almost every level. They designed it using the minecraft design curve, and they paid for it dearly. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
122
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Posted - 2012.08.04 14:59:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:So, EVE players aside, what else could be the target audience? Console FPS players? I think they are too fickle a bunch to count on for anything... and I don't think they care for EVE much... why should they? It's just another shooter setting to them, like Halo, Gears of War, etc. Yes, the target audience is console FPS gamers. Why is this even a question? It's been broadcast in mile-high neon letters since the game was first announced. The reason has also been given, and the foundations of your dismissal are definitely showing your dogmatic ignorance. I'm gonna cut this down to bite-size statements so they're easy for your PC Gaming Master Race gut to digest:
- There are EVE players who also play console FPS games. (These are not the core demographic, but they disprove your generalization that console players couldn't care about EVE)
- There are console FPS players who are interested in EVE but don't want to play it. (I have a feeling you're lazily bunching these with "don't care about EVE", which is wrong)
- There are console FPS players who don't just drop their game and jump on the next sequel - because they don't want to or can't afford it. (Games like Battlefield and CoD are actually damned expensive, and hammer you with DLC every three to six months)
- There are console FPS players who would stick to a single game if the developers and publishers would actually support them. (The sheer success of DLC in the above-mentioned games makes it clear that console gamers can actually stick with a title for a long while provided there's continued support and development. However, for the publisher it's much easier and rewarding to market new games - even if they are exactly the same... )
- There are console FPS players who are getting tired of the constant dumbing down of their genre and are clamoring for a deep hardcore experience.
I'm sure you're also one of those people who smirk knowingly when people point out that the new CoD games are exactly the same, just with new maps, and yet they still sell well (I know I do ). What does that tell you? It means that players would much rather stick to what they know: the same game. Halo doesn't even enter into this discussion, because that's an XBOX game, but those games are also very close to each other in terms of gameplay and have a very dedicated player-base. So it actually seems like the idea that console FPS gamers have the attention span of chipmunks and dive on the first new title that comes out is drivel. What is actually going on is that players stick with the game series that they are used to. Console players are also more hard-core than people give them credit for. They grind stats like crazy, they find the cheesiest and most effective weapons and kits... Now imagine that there was a company that came out and said "Hey, we're gonna make a game that's free and we're never gonna stop developing it. We're gonna have massive content patches every three or six months that give you new planets and game types and mechs and arenas and hordes! There's gonna be so much kit and guns and vehicles to play with and exploit that you'll soil yourself! Every match will have an impact on a greater world, and we will value and reward you for being our customer." Don't you think that might be a little more interesting than you give it creditt?
Amen to that.
I know a bunch of console shooter nuts who are thinking about giving DUSt a try just because it offers something different than buy game - complete game in 5-6 hours - play multiplayer for a while- buy DLC - complete DLC in 4-5 hours - play multiplayer until sequal is released. |
NickyYo
StarHug
192
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:02:00 -
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You all mostly fail to see another issue here too...
And that is failure by funds.
DUST514 will be free to play right? so, it's only source of income will be through the aurum store in the DUST514 market place, and that ladies and gentleman will be a failure.
Who on earth will pay microtransactions on a console for a new gun? when they can just load up COD. .. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
180
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:15:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:I'm gonna cut this down to bite-size statements so they're easy for your PC Gaming Master Race gut to digest
Alteast I'm not beeing smug about it...
Darek Castigatus wrote:Amen to that.
I know a bunch of console shooter nuts who are thinking about giving DUSt a try just because it offers something different than buy game - complete game in 5-6 hours - play multiplayer for a while- buy DLC - complete DLC in 4-5 hours - play multiplayer until sequal is released.
Yea, they are giving it a try... no doubt about that.. the question is: Will that be enough for DUST to succeed along CCPs businessplan? I can't tell yet, and neither can you... but what I can tell is this: Should it fail, EVE will suffer the consequences. "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
73
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:15:00 -
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I am enjoying it and also realize it is a Beta. I think it will be great for Eve and no other game offers its depth and conectivity to another MMO like Dust.
The only concern I have is the CSM notes seem on the fence if Dusters will be in Eve corps at launch. I think it would be a failure in that aspect if they do not make them one in the same in the beginning because they will not be building a bond with Eve players on the offset.
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Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:39:00 -
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Constant development, updates and balancing will be a big win for Dust. But not too much balancing i hope. I don't want CCP changing the game to make it easier for noobs. I want the same harsh environment that forces new players to htfu, adapt and (most importantly) work together to succeed. I'm not saying i only want it to be for EVE players, i want it to be for console players who look for a challenging and demanding game.
I will probably prefer it to CoD. It wont have the same spawning issues (instead, it has spawn camping); The player base should get better after the noobs get bored or rage quit; Corporations and other social networks might encourage teamwork and leadership structures; Success and defeat affect a greater universe, adding purpose. Assets have value and each loss is felt (pls remove free vehicles) There are no death streaks rewarding noobery Mouse and KB support \o/
From what ive played on the Beta myself, it doesn't have the fast paced movement of CoD (never liked low gravity games); theres a fair bit of lag and bugs (beta) and a good deal of balancing needs to be done. Besides that its great fun.
As far as graphics go, i don't really care if i'm fighting on a beautiful landscape or lego blocks. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:44:00 -
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Ms Kat wrote:IF dust was ever released on PC I would probubly buy it. However I am NOT purchasing a fail PS3 which is already how many years old? Which will be outdated very soon by a new gen of consoles, jsut for 1 game, which lets be honest, if its graphics are designed around a out dated console will be poor at best
Sorry, earliest estimates for any new console that's not a WiiU is 2014.
If you only buy games for graphics, I feel bad for you. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
81
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:44:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Horatius Caul wrote:I'm gonna cut this down to bite-size statements so they're easy for your PC Gaming Master Race gut to digest Alteast I'm not beeing smug about it...
Nah, just insulting and condescending, which is fine. Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
123
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:12:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Horatius Caul wrote:I'm gonna cut this down to bite-size statements so they're easy for your PC Gaming Master Race gut to digest Alteast I'm not beeing smug about it... Darek Castigatus wrote:Amen to that.
I know a bunch of console shooter nuts who are thinking about giving DUSt a try just because it offers something different than buy game - complete game in 5-6 hours - play multiplayer for a while- buy DLC - complete DLC in 4-5 hours - play multiplayer until sequal is released. Yea, they are giving it a try... no doubt about that.. the question is: Will that be enough for DUST to succeed along CCPs businessplan? I can't tell yet, and neither can you... but what I can tell is this: Should it fail, EVE will suffer the consequences.
I think everyone realises that but i prefer to be optimistic about what I'm hearing and so far what im hearing sounds like pretty much every other game at the developement stage DUST is at. Not everything is in yet and not everything is optimised but the core mechanics are solid and they have a good base to work from.
Another thing to bear in mind is the good reception the ideas behind DUST have been getting from the PS3 community. Now they know nothing about CCP and nothing about EVE but in this case I think their opinions are just as important when it comes to judging success, after all they will be the primary buyers of this game and the ones who determine wether or not CCP can sell to an audience outside of EVE. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
185
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Posted - 2012.08.04 19:20:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:Nah, just insulting and condescending, which is fine.
I was neither... it was my personal opinion, formed by experience. "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
37
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:27:00 -
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Syphon Lodian wrote:Tricky situation regarding their desire to not cannibalize their own market on PC, and going the route of PS3, yet also making the game robust and "complex".
I won't say much, but grant the OP is correct in some way, especially the attention-span of the average console shooter. They want to jump in and play. Though, DUST 514 has a lot of potential and I will withhold judgment.
It could be that most consolers have never played something like this with complexity, and will embrace it. The cost of entry is 0 dollars, so why not? I hope for it's success.... I want to see EVE integrated with DUST and I want that feature to blow up and be amazing.
The big thing with console games is that people hate spending 60$ on them, so what is CCP's answer to this? Charge them less more often cause as we all saw with call of duty elite charging people more to play a new version of an old game goes over with fans so well. Also yeah the console crowd wants there dead bodies now, not in 15 mins or 3 days when they have the skills necessary to not die instantly, they want them right ******* now. Good luck selling a hurry up and wait game to the I WANT IT NOW console crowd.
Just out of curiosity when this all fails miserably do you guys have a back up plan on how to remove this from the game after the console population drops to a few dozen people? Cause it would be too funny to have all of these integration features added to the game just to have them sit there with no use because there is no one playing the console game.
And finally, when was the last time besides a Halo game where the population on a console FPS stayed above a few hundred thousand players for more than 1 year? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1063
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:45:00 -
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um... dust will have free expansions forever mate.
Gaint robots and SOV warfare coming 2013. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Kunming
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
69
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:34:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Garresh wrote:Look, guys. The game is still in very early development. If you've followed *any* game in beta, most of them aren't actually really fun until very soon before release, when the final polish is applied and balance is finally hammered out, bugs fixed, etc. I think it has issues, but it's hard to judge it accurately when it still has a very long time until it's released. IMO DUST514 should be a lot more like WoT or MWO than first person shooter.
Totally agree on this, just like we dont have player piloted fighters (FPS equivalent of EVE), we shouldnt have combat at the footsoldier level. In a time of plasma cannons, hiding behind a rock is immersion breaking.
Im hoping most combat on the field will be vehicular and only fighting in the buildings will be done by infantry. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
39
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:43:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:um... dust will have free expansions forever mate.
Gaint robots and SOV warfare coming 2013.
Right, but you have the console crowd to think about to them an expansion is just DLC, not a new game, the console crowd has been trained to expect new games. good luck trying to sell them the same base game and just expanding it with DLC. The only game that ever did that successfully was the oblivion and fall out series and CCP is so far from Bethesda on the skill scale its not even funny. |
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