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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.04 04:58:00 -
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whats not the same about it. how does perventing people from running away break eve. Please enlighten me. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
97
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Posted - 2012.08.04 05:16:00 -
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This would be the worst change possible to the game and would break the one defining feature that keeps drawing people to log in. It would certainly be the end of my subs |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
397
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Posted - 2012.08.04 05:53:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:As far as set up PvP taking away from eve, that is a direct insult to my alliance. we do set up fights all of the time. I like RvB, but it has mock fighting, not real fighting.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1062
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:27:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:MotherMoon wrote:As far as set up PvP taking away from eve, that is a direct insult to my alliance. we do set up fights all of the time. I like RvB, but it has mock fighting, not real fighting.
right, I'm not disagreeing, my point is, do we break the game by existing. Giving us a tool to set up boundary violations does not break eve. And if it does how does that differ from the impact we have on the game now. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Ensign X
22
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:32:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:I like RvB, but it has mock fighting, not real fighting.
Curious. Last time I saw an RVB battle their ships seemed to blow up just like every other ship.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
693
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Posted - 2012.08.04 07:52:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Mors Sanctitatis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Every game that has added arena pvp has killled the pvp elsewhere in the game. Needless to say I am very worried over this. The second arenas are added to the game is the second I cancel my accounts. then it's time to quit because red versus blue already does this and anyone can join. Adding a mechanic to include boundary violations to blow up ship is all that would change.
Horrible argument. RvB is just as cluttered with spies and isk/SP discrepances as the rest of EVE is. It's nothing but exactly the same thing as FW or blob alliance warfare, except, it is open in highsec as well. It's not an "arena". It's just a mechanic allowing for PvP in a certain environment.
Oh and FYI: I was in the very first iteration of RvB myself, before it was an alliance we were just some 10-20 people on each side (GO RED!). They had just opened recruitment, initially as far as I understood it it was only a bunch of friends doing this smallscale. When they started invites, a bunch of us joining did non- or low-trained alts on same accounts as our mains, for quick small-scale PvP. It was awsome! ..until people started to join with spies and well-trained characters, butching our low-trained alts. And suddenly it was exactly the same thing I was experiencing with my other characters in low- and null. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:03:00 -
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Misanth wrote: Horrible argument. RvB is just as cluttered with spies and isk/SP discrepances as the rest of EVE is. It's nothing but exactly the same thing as FW or blob alliance warfare, except, it is open in highsec as well. It's not an "arena". It's just a mechanic allowing for PvP in a certain environment.
So you can't get spies to betray their teams or pay off traitors to turn their guns on their own or screw up on purpose, or have alts, friends join other teams pickup groups, or just go in alone and betray people. You can't War Dec people in Corps who beat you or gank people and hold grudges. Lots of stuff they could do to keep folks paranoid.
I like the Alliance Tournament System CCP made and would not mind having it around in game to play. Along with all the ways you can game it. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1062
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Posted - 2012.08.04 08:12:00 -
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yup and if they add the abilty for a large enough group to take down the arena from outside. It would be awesome http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
694
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:07:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Misanth wrote: Horrible argument. RvB is just as cluttered with spies and isk/SP discrepances as the rest of EVE is. It's nothing but exactly the same thing as FW or blob alliance warfare, except, it is open in highsec as well. It's not an "arena". It's just a mechanic allowing for PvP in a certain environment.
So you can't get spies to betray their teams or pay off traitors to turn their guns on their own or screw up on purpose, or have alts, friends join other teams pickup groups, or just go in alone and betray people. You can't War Dec people in Corps who beat you or gank people and hold grudges. Lots of stuff they could do to keep folks paranoid. I like the Alliance Tournament System CCP made and would not mind having it around in game to play. Along with all the ways you can game it.
I never said it was good or bad, only pointed out it's exactly the same thing that exist everywhere else. Whoever that claims RvB is a good example of an arena and/or instanced PvP environment is delusional. AFK-cloaking in a system near you. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
14
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:12:00 -
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Quote:CCP Greyscale proposes instead that there be a flag fleet-to-fleet option that would allow free fighting to occur.
Aleks supported this possibility.
CCP Greyscale explains that it would enable two fleets to enter a temporary state of wardec, that would function exactly like a concord-sanctioned wardec from a mechanical standpoint, it would simply last for 15 minutes or whatever the agreed-upon time would be.
Two step jokes that there should be a "dueling glove" item (purchasable by Aurum) that you could drop in a can and if looted it would prompt such a flagging. These are horrible ideas. You want fights in highsec? There's wardecs. I can't even really see a reason to change can flipping mechanics. pew pew |
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Big Bossu
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.08.04 09:15:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:I like RvB, but it has mock fighting, not real fighting. Curious. Last time I saw an RVB battle their ships seemed to blow up just like every other ship.
"no ecm"
"t1 cruisers only!"
"don't shoot the FC"
"4 guys in gang chat x up and change from frigate to cruiser"
I have my alt in RVB, you can get a fight really fast and you can get on a lot of killmails, but the fights there lack any sort of tension that comes with a real fight in low/0.0. |
Jonah Gravenstein
705
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Posted - 2012.08.04 12:36:00 -
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Big Bossu wrote:
"no ecm"
"t1 cruisers only!"
"don't shoot the FC"
"4 guys in gang chat x up and change from frigate to cruiser"
Those rules only apply to RvB, when they go purple on your arse then all RvB rules are suspended and ECM, podding, the FC being primary and bucket fleets are the order of the day. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Spectre80
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
77
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Posted - 2012.08.04 12:43:00 -
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ohnoes. what are smartbomb battleship pro pilots gonna do now? you know these kinda guys.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=2104 |
Ensign X
23
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Posted - 2012.08.04 15:28:00 -
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Big Bossu wrote:Ensign X wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:I like RvB, but it has mock fighting, not real fighting. Curious. Last time I saw an RVB battle their ships seemed to blow up just like every other ship. "no ecm" "t1 cruisers only!" "don't shoot the FC" "4 guys in gang chat x up and change from frigate to cruiser" I have my alt in RVB, you can get a fight really fast and you can get on a lot of killmails, but the fights there lack any sort of tension that comes with a real fight in low/0.0.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but RVB hasn't had a problem welping the fleets of the mighty NC. in your current war with them. So what if they have rules, every major alliance does. Are you trying to imply that your form of PVP is superior simply because the rules they follow are different from yours? That's nonsense. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
407
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:49:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:RiS, that's the point. We and the csm are being asked how they should work. no one wants wow arenas. I think the problem is they are using a word that strikes fear. And it is justified.
The only thing i want as an arena combat allaince member is a bubble that kills you if you try to leave. This would be useful outside of arena combat as you could drop them at POS fights and such. trap the attackers inside your grid, force combat, no running. Unless you have backup kill the shield from outside. But the nice part is the defense would be locked in too.
There are no deatails, we get to ask for what we want. And I want a way kill people who get scared and try to run.
p.s.(that's how the alliance tournament works, and they said they want it to work that way)
force bubble arenas for deathmatches, eh? Why not just make it harder for people to get away in general? Lower align times across the board.
Having a separate mechanic for pvpers to fix a problem with pvp just takes us a step closer to doing away with non-consensual pvp all together.
Just Say no to separate mechanics... it will lead nowhere good.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
407
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:51:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:whats not the same about it. how does perventing people from running away break eve. Please enlighten me.
because it doesn't address the problem of people being able to run away too easily.
if people are running away too easily, then that should be fixed. for everyone. everywhere.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1065
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Posted - 2012.08.05 05:45:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:MotherMoon wrote:whats not the same about it. how does perventing people from running away break eve. Please enlighten me. because it doesn't address the problem of people being able to run away too easily. if people are running away too easily, then that should be fixed. for everyone. everywhere.
So why not make a new deployable that stops people from running? what if instead of "arena" we just get a new PvP focused mechanic that also happens to make player run alliance tournaments possible?
I now think it should be a pos module. Make it so a POS can trap attackers in the shield. Anyone can come into the shield but leaving kills you. That way you can still in true eve fashion bring in more ships to overwhelm them. What do you think about that idea?
Then the defenders and attackers are stuck untill the pos goes down/into reinforced. This would be combines with how the new pos aren't going to have pos shields. This would give the defenders a mechanics where if they start to overwhelm the attackers, the attackers have to be committed to the fight.
It would have the side effect of letting some people emulate the mechanics of the Alliance tournament
And the reward is the attackers can't run, the risk is, neither can the defenders.
I don't think this kind of mechanic would break eve AT ALL, and it really comes down to people reading the word "arenas" and flipping out and mentioning wow without even reading what the mechanics would actually be.
People are just being children, arenas it just a name. A name doesn't actually mean anything.
Basicly I'm saying I agree with you, and I'm trying to find a comermise. That satisfies what your bring up, while trying to find a way to give other players more tools to mess with. In true sandbox fashion it should have muliple uses, even a few the players come with after they are released.
I do not support any systems in eve that aren't sandboxy. They need to be pen ended, abusable, have a real purpose in the game, and be unfair. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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