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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 13/10/2010 06:37:47
Just read a recent blog about EA, the recent warhammer failure and possible implications for SWTOR. I have no idea how credible the rant is, but I post it for the drama value and because I want to have an easy link to it for future use.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:49:00 -
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the comments section is hilarious
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:55:00 -
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They deliver bad products after all, so I am not supprised that EA is a bad place to work either. Quite often you see how a workplace is reflected in the games. And EA is just a huge greed machine. So no supprise ;)
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:28:00 -
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Awful mechanics. No fun. Failed spectacularly to appeal to the actual WH fan base by being nothing more than a fantasy skinned Super Bomber Man.
Oh and they hired Barnett didn't they. Nuff said. 
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Talanayaa
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:32:00 -
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Warhammer Online failed because it was a steaming pile of ****. There is not much more to it.
SWTOR will also fail because they got sucked into wow machine and we all know EA and the garbage they publish. Everyone that tried to steal Blizzard customers failed epicly.
The reason CCP succeeded and is still succeeding where others fail is because they do things differently, have different target audience and are using balls-to-the-walls approach in the market that for the most part consists of pussies and Blizzard wannabes.
After all we all know CCP is committed to excellence.
I just had to put some comedy there. :D
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.13 09:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Talanayaa
After all we all know CCP is committed to excellence.
I just had to put some comedy there. :D
oh you just sooooo went there.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:04:00 -
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$300 million on TOR, oh jesus
Well if this one crashes and burns it will forever kill the "throw a dump truck of money at the wow clone market and expect to go right to >1 million sustained subs" business model. And good riddance too.
I suspect it was more by accident than design, but CCP did it rightÖ: start small, grow the game with the playerbase, allow a maximum of player freedom, stay involved with your playerbase, dont compromise your niche.
(Disclaimer: CCP did quite a few design things very wrong (lolUI), but those are less important)
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.10.13 14:21:00 -
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I played Warhammer during that first month when it came out, and that was a good read.
Sounds credible to me - I worked for one of those dotcoms that came crashing down a decade ago, and I witnessed some of those patterns: stupid amounts of money being wantonly thrown and burned around for no good reason, mind-numbing managerial non/in-competence, lack of direction and effective leadership, huge egos clashing, power coups, backstabbings, that sort of crap... it seemed most managers, riding the wave of the dotcom bullsh*t, were more interested in playing their petty political games, than actually focusing on creating and selling a good product.
Until one day they gathered us all, and told us "There's 40 euros left in the bank. You can take home your work computer as this months' payment. Goodbye". Though we actually saw it coming, as one of my colleagues - suspicious of the manager's strange behaviour - was sniffing out the private communications between the COO and the CFO, who were in different countries, and then relaying to the rest of the engineering team through IM the dire financial situation the company had somehow ended up in, despite the silly amount of venture capital it had received just six months before.
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Tara Moss
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Posted - 2010.10.13 14:32:00 -
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Interesting read -and those comments 
I'm surprised by the SWToR pessimism -I think it has a decent chance of success (though certainly not a WoW-killer). It does make me worry for CCP's 'Dust' though; diversification is good but it seems like a bit of a stretch.
Let's hope CCP management are a little more errr...enlightened?
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Mazzarins Demise
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:31:00 -
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It's puzzling that FF14 isn't really discussed in a similar vein. That game was hyped by so much and it became one of the biggest duds in MMORPG history.
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Sazkyen
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 13/10/2010 16:33:53
I so knew an online KOTOR would be a massive failure. A second SWG. I can't ****ing believe this!!! They should have just made KOTOR 3. I'm so ****ing agitated right now! Yet another letdown.
Let's hope it turns out to be false.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.13 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Sounds credible to me - I worked for one of those dotcoms that came crashing down a decade ago, and I witnessed some of those patterns: stupid amounts of money being wantonly thrown and burned around for no good reason, mind-numbing managerial non/in-competence, lack of direction and effective leadership, huge egos clashing, power coups, backstabbings, that sort of crap... it seemed most managers, riding the wave of the dotcom bullsh*t, were more interested in playing their petty political games, than actually focusing on creating and selling a good product.
This pretty much describes how most businesses operate now a days. I work in the business services industry (marketing funds management). My office is a shining example of this...I'm waiting for the day they tell us they're closing up shop. The owner has become obsessed with his Itallian restaraunt he opened in California and I don't think really cares much about his core business anymore. He has people running around doing **** for his restaraunt more than he does working on his core business now a days.
We keep spending stupid amounts of money on **** and really have no new business coming in, it's actually all leaving. We've gone from 70 clients down to 30ish in the last 2 years, and it's only getting worse. I keep being assured by my boss (the VP) that we're fine, but I can see what's happening. I regret wasting the last 11 years of my life here...working in a dead programming language...no college degree because when I did try to go back to school my workload doubled and I couldn't keep up with both...
The decline in our office happened shortly after we purchased the company that was providing an ad building website for us to sell to our clients. They had no clue what they were doing and were about to go under. We absorbed the worst of the worst of people to work with. They're all petty, backstabbing idiots and none of them have a clue about anything. They just keep hiring more and more code/graphics monkeys instead of trying to figure out how to work with what they have and figure out a way to make the codebase efficient and flexible. I'm just glad I don't have to interact with them directly often, and I am the end-all-be-all on the side of the business I code for. If I had to cater to their lack of understanding of our business and code to their desires then I'd probably go postal. The ONLY saving grace is I have complete control over the projects I work on...what I say goes and I'm usually right in the directions I take with the code.
People are just too greedy now a days, they don't care about quality anymore, just about the $$.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2010.10.13 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
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People are just too greedy now a days, they don't care about quality anymore, just about the $$.
barakkus, leave that place and come to panama!!! If you can CODE ANYTHING you will get a job fast here in Panama or Costa Rica.
If you ever decide to check Panama out send me an ingame mail and I can show you around 
So many banks, they all need a strong core of programmers to keep their databases clean, tidy and running upfront.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:12:00 -
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(Middle) management with zero expertise, no feeling for the product or even interest for said product, digging in and spreading their filth through ******ed power games for no other reason than their own ego trip. They know who to suck up to and when to shout real hard and then, because they're ******ed, drag a whole company down to their lvl, destroying it.
Nothing new, I bet there's a good reason why CCP has issues finding good programmers. It grew from "a small group of people with vision" into a large company focussed on getting subscriptions. I bet some (ex) CCP people could tell us a few good stories.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: Barakkus
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People are just too greedy now a days, they don't care about quality anymore, just about the $$.
barakkus, leave that place and come to panama!!! If you can CODE ANYTHING you will get a job fast here in Panama or Costa Rica.
If you ever decide to check Panama out send me an ingame mail and I can show you around
So many banks, they all need a strong core of programmers to keep their databases clean, tidy and running upfront.
I'll ask my wife lol.
I work in Delphi for the most part, I'm having a feeling I'm going to have to get off my ass and do some C, but not having 11 years of experience in C is a problem for getting a job.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:46:00 -
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Sums up what is wrong with the gaming industry as a whole lately.
EA has always been the best litmus test throughout history.
My Warmest Regards.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.10.13 21:47:00 -
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I died a little on the inside when I read all that about SWTOR.
The two games I was looking forward to for so long, are both going to be rubbish. Diablo 3 and now SWTOR... /cry
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:11:00 -
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Well, they will probably sell the steaming crap of MMO that will SWTOR be to SOE for cheapz so they can add it to their STATION PASS combo pack
It's a well known fact that the more hype a game has, the harder they will crash when they are released.
I'm beggining to think these failed MMO's are safebet ways to launder money by the drug cartels so they can legitimize the cash flow (and people can legally hide ill gotten gains in the supposed "loss")
Yes, you can gain money by making money losing schemes (as odd as it might sound). Oldest trick in the book, perhaps MMO's are the new way to do it? 
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Posted - 2010.10.14 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
It's puzzling that FF14 isn't really discussed in a similar vein. That game was hyped by so much and it became one of the biggest duds in MMORPG history.
You need to wait a while for the free month + borderline people to burn out first.
Someone may have raqequit Square Enix stocks over it though
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2010.10.14 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 14/10/2010 10:11:25
Couldn¦t care less about Warhammer, but the Kotor stuff makes me hot&cold.
Seems like the SW IP gets rSped yet another time, meh. 20 Gigs of dialog, and that¦s supposed to be the highlight? 
Well at least I won¦t be tempted to waste money on this obvious WoW clone.
Originally by: Brujo Loco
I'm beggining to think these failed MMO's are safebet ways to launder money by the drug cartels so they can legitimize the cash flow (and people can legally hide ill gotten gains in the supposed "loss")
Yes, you can gain money by making money losing schemes (as odd as it might sound). Oldest trick in the book, perhaps MMO's are the new way to do it?
Frack, I wish this would actually be as unlikely and crazy as it sounds. But the obvious nepotism on display here just can¦t be missed or explained away with "incompetence".
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Legs Mackenzie
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Posted - 2010.10.14 10:54:00 -
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So, new features do not sell better than polished quality?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.14 16:45:00 -
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The rants that I had links to in the OP have gotten updates from the original author and I've edited the OP to include them.
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.14 17:37:00 -
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This guy is epic troll. Like epic. Wanted to make the game more like WoW, they wanted WAR, and he got ****y. The updates include a very good response from Jeff Preston and from another employee at Mythic.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.14 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child
This guy is epic troll. Like epic. Wanted to make the game more like WoW, they wanted WAR, and he got ****y. The updates include a very good response from Jeff Preston and from another employee at Mythic.
troll or not, it did raise some waves.
some very big waves.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.14 21:50:00 -
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So are they going to shut down warhammer or not?
It seems like all the big MMOs went free to play all of a sudden.
Originally by: captain foivos
Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.15 05:07:00 -
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The whole thing looks like an exercise in immaturity.
Is this what the game development world is like?
Haven't seen this much ego and ****ing contest since my days as a roadie dealing with wannabee rock stars.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.15 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Corozan Aspinall on 15/10/2010 12:38:54
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The whole thing looks like an exercise in immaturity.
Is this what the game development world is like?
Haven't seen this much ego and ****ing contest since my days as a roadie dealing with wannabee rock stars.
Its rampant in pretty much any company with more than 20 employees tbh.
In my experience a company is something you do with a small group of others and you live it - it becomes your life for however long. You care about every customer, you obsess about every new client. Perpetuating and growing is all that matters to you and your 'partners'.
A business is just about shareholders dividends. Nothing else matters. Ultimately not even the business itself.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.16 01:19:00 -
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there seems to be a common theme of a girl getting promoted due to relationship, but it could be the blog writer under different names.
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Baneken
Gallente
School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.10.16 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 16/10/2010 07:50:57
Why WH failed is simple -> there was nothing to do except mindless zerg, day after day, after day and even that was bugged and gave you nothing in return at least in FPS you have certain amount of skill and luck involved, in WH (and MMO's in general) you need neither.
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Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2010.10.16 09:07:00 -
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It was made my Mythic, the company that turned DAoC into ****. Nuff said.
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