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Pasha Cracken
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.10.15 03:01:00 -
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is X3TC any good? sorry i havent played it but steam has a semi good deal on a bundle pack for them just curious
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.15 03:12:00 -
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a) each game from egosoft is a stand-alone game b) each of them stand alone very well c) each of them is worth easily twice what you will pay for them. d) free content years after release from developers e) mods for at least the next 5 years
yes.
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Zyck
Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.15 05:23:00 -
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I would pay full new-game price for a patch that adds multiplayer to X3 :/
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Gneeznow
Minmatar Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.10.15 05:32:00 -
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You'll either get pulled in by the depth and spend the next 10 weeks in your underpants building an empire scarcely leaving your PC for anything other than sleep and occasional food
OR
You'll play it a few hours, not understand the controls, have a hard time learning how to play and then put it aside and never touch it again or not touch it for a year or so, the learning curve is hard, but the game is super deep.
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Sral TBear
Shipwreck Island
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Posted - 2010.10.15 09:40:00 -
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X3TC, i have named it eve offline lol....its on the laptop, play it when i cant play eve....modded up its awsome....it have the details eve dont...
standing on the bridge of your carrier and se the fighters make landing patterns and dock....jump to a fighter and just let the docking puter take you in....
The gun effects and sound....
Nothing like being a carrier commander, micromaneging your crew and fighters. Set up patroll sectors, sending reinforcements...look and notice your favorite pilots just didt get home this time....i could keep going....
X3TC modded up are awsome...and if you survibe the first 4-6 hours you are in for a fight not seen before...
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.15 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sral TBear
Nothing like being a carrier commander, micromaneging your crew and fighters. Set up patroll sectors, sending reinforcements...look and notice your favorite pilots just didt get home this time....i could keep going....
and then crying because half your wing just crashed into an asteroid. And the other half into each other.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.17 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow You'll either get pulled in by the depth and spend the next 10 weeks in your underpants building an empire scarcely leaving your PC for anything other than sleep and occasional food
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You'll play it a few hours, not understand the controls, have a hard time learning how to play and then put it aside and never touch it again or not touch it for a year or so, the learning curve is hard, but the game is super deep.
i did the latter at first.... but mainly cos it took about 10 patches to make it playable (so so many bugs) but once the bugs were fixed i did the former and built up a crusty underpants while building the empire
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LordSwift
Caldari Syndicate of Steel
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Posted - 2010.10.18 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Sral TBear
Nothing like being a carrier commander, micromaneging your crew and fighters. Set up patroll sectors, sending reinforcements...look and notice your favorite pilots just didt get home this time....i could keep going....
and then crying because half your wing just crashed into an asteroid. And the other half into each other.
You had me laughing for quite awhile. i have only played the original x3. not tried new one yet. but realy remember crashing into asteroids cos i got so disorintated during a fight. ------
Mal: If anyone gets nosy, just, you know... shoot 'em. Zod: Shoot 'em? Mal: Politely. |
SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.10.18 17:05:00 -
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X3:TC is what drew me into EVE, strangely enough. I got X3 back in October (one year ago) and played it hardcore for a good three months or so. Built a nice empire and all but ultimately realized that it's nothing without multiplayer interaction. It was time to start interacting with other players and not just NPC's, so I made the plunge and started EVE.
Looking back, I might re-install X3 and play it occasionally. Modding was a love/hate relationship. Nothing like installing a Narn carrier (Babylon 5) and launching Starfury's (Babylon 5) from it, but man, getting those installed was a royal pain in the ass. I'll have to see if they made the process of installing downloadable ships any easier. IIRC they were working on a way to make it easier; I hope they're done! You'd have to do some crazy, CRAZY stuff in order to get them to work properly, but the models were there and they looked GREAT.
Thanks for the thread, going to look into this again! ____________________
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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.10.18 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: Sral TBear
Nothing like being a carrier commander, micromaneging your crew and fighters. Set up patroll sectors, sending reinforcements...look and notice your favorite pilots just didt get home this time....i could keep going....
and then crying because half your wing just crashed into an asteroid. And the other half into each other.
You had me laughing for quite awhile. i have only played the original x3. not tried new one yet. but realy remember crashing into asteroids cos i got so disorintated during a fight.
Kestrel's (I think that's what they were called) were good and bad.
The good: The fastest flyable ship, it was basically a big rocket engine with a pointy front and maybe some wings or something.
The bad: The probability of getting it to dock up on auto-tard/auto-pillock were relatively low. Once I saw one of mine on auto-tard/auto-pillock fly straight into an asteroid.
I wonder if they made any improvements to their autopilot function. It caused a lot of grief. ____________________
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.18 18:15:00 -
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IMHO is X2-X3 just a bunch of scripted crap. I did enjoy the game first, too, but you are really flying alone in that space. You then buy some more ships and set them on some script to do automatic trading for you. The story was nerdy, almost autistic, which is why the game has an start mode that disables the story *lol*. You can then get a ton of stuff from the community, but I would not call it "added content". More like "added crap". There are mods that change all the ship models or introduce new ones like the StarTrek Enterprise or even Captain Future's Comet. And tons of scripts, which even take over your weapons and fully automatically target enemies and switch weapons around. You might as well just let it play itself or set yourself the amount of money you need via built-in command. Its only strength ever was the joystick controls. --
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.18 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound IMHO is X2-X3 just a bunch of scripted crap.
I dont think you understand what your talking about.
EVERY SINGLE ACTION in x3 that YOU PERSONALLY did not do is controlled by a script.
Why? How else are other ships going to move? Do you not get that everything needs a set of commands to do something? Scripts are those sets of commands. Now, the main point of x3 is that YOU CAN EDIT the scripts. You can make new ones. You can make stuff act as you want it. Or, you can download other people's scripts, because your too lazy to learn it yourself.
Honestly, through your post, it seems like you played as follows: Oh hey i can shoot stuff! lets go learn the cheats! ohh lots of money! Yay i win!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.18 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter I dont think you understand what your talking about.
And I think I do. I guess we have different opinions, stupid.
Quote: EVERY SINGLE ACTION in x3 that YOU PERSONALLY did not do is controlled by a script.
Why? How else are other ships going to move? Do you not get that everything needs a set of commands to do something? Scripts are those sets of commands. Now, the main point of x3 is that YOU CAN EDIT the scripts. You can make new ones. You can make stuff act as you want it. Or, you can download other people's scripts, because your too lazy to learn it yourself.
Looks to me like I do know what I am talking about. Like I said its scripted crap.
Originally by: Lance Fighter Honestly, through your post, it seems like you played as follows: Oh hey i can shoot stuff! lets go learn the cheats! ohh lots of money! Yay i win!
And I think I hit a nerve in you. And yeah, honestly, stupid. --
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.18 22:17:00 -
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my apologies, I didnt know we were in an elementary namecalling match.
Yes - Every single non-player action in every single game is akin to scripted movements of x3. Did you hate dragon age because all ai movements were scripted? how about mass effect? any rts?
its like your saying 'i hate artificial intelligence. Thus, I hate this game'
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter my apologies, I didnt know we were in an elementary namecalling match.
You are even more stupid than I thought. You still do not get that I am not the topic here, stupid.
Quote: Yes - Every single non-player action in every single game is akin to scripted movements of x3. Did you hate dragon age because all ai movements were scripted? how about mass effect? any rts?
its like your saying 'i hate artificial intelligence. Thus, I hate this game'
Answer me the following question: what is the difference between X3 and other scripted games? --
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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.10.21 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Elukka on 21/10/2010 02:50:10 Err. What exactly are you saying? Usually when people say a game is too scripted they mean it's too linear, but you seem to be actually saying that it's bad that the game runs scripts which... doesn't make any sense at all. How do you think that Sansha battleship knows to shoot at you? It has a simple AI script.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.21 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Answer me the following question: what is the difference between X3 and other scripted games?
x3tc's ai scripts are better. x3tc's ai scripts can be modified x3tc's ai scripts have been modified
However, im still not sure what you are getting at. using the term scripted typically means straightfoward, linear, etc. Stuff happens a way every single time, because a simple script tells it to. that is not the case.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.21 09:17:00 -
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On what forum are you morons on? It seems you are reading someone else's comments, but then respond to my comments. It is like I write "abc", you read it as "xyz". Stop doing that. Learn to read, and when there is something you do not understand then do not try to interpret it in your own words and guess what it could mean, when you can ask. Do not make me breast feed you. Scripted crap means scripted crap. It is crap that was created using scripts. --
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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:15:00 -
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I asked but you're flinging random insults and not actually explaining anything, only repeating what you said. I guess you're either trolling or venting, either way it's not worth the effort to continue the discussion.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.21 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 21/10/2010 20:43:56
Originally by: Elukka I asked but you're flinging random insults and not actually explaining anything, only repeating what you said. I guess you're either trolling or venting, either way it's not worth the effort to continue the discussion.
No. You used a question as an ornament in your comment, only to continue with your helpless guessing. You do not really want to know or else would you have stopped right after the question mark. Even more, now that you got your answer do you continue with the trolling and do not have a use for the answer. And now you want to tell people that I am the one who insults others? You are an insult to all people who can read forum comments! GTFO, troll. --
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.21 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 21/10/2010 22:58:54 Its worth checking out some of the MODS for the game at the various X3 mod community sites. Some of them are large enough to add new ships, rewrite the way the game works, and completely change the experience all-together.
X-Tended is a good example, and they are working on X-Tended TC for terran conflict. It also re-writes the single player story line and adds new systems, planets, and goals.
As for scripting- It's touch and go, with some working well and others not working all that well. The improved carrier command software put out by the community is an example of what works well. Without it, your carriers and fighter wings are rock solid dumb.
As an added note- The one thing that always got on my nerves was how fragile the default games capital ships were. You'd expect capital fights to last awhile, but instead they would be over in a flash. This was even the case with multiple caps on the field. Apparently there have also been mods to address this issue, but I have yet to try any of them.
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Elukka
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Posted - 2010.10.22 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Elukka on 22/10/2010 02:00:40 Right, moving on... Improved Races is a script I much recommend. It adds wars, proper responses to incursions and sector takeovers among other things, and is highly configurable. To give an idea of what it does I went to cause some trouble in a Paranid sector the other day and they first sent a couple squads of fighters against me and then a destroyer. At that point I had to leave and let it cool off a bit. In another area the pirates have completely destroyed two sectors and taken over one of them. The Teladi sent a huge fleet to take their sector back. Much pew ensued and several pirate capital ships were destroyed in short order but now it's like the Teladi Afghanistan and they just can't get the place pacified.
Combat Mod is very good too. It fixes and rebalances most of the weapons. Frag bomb launchers actually work, beam weapons exist and flak won't explode your ears anymore.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.22 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lance Fighter on 22/10/2010 07:26:11 I personally cant recommend cmod 4 over cmod 3.. mostly because cmod 4 isnt done by the same person.
I saw nothing wrong with cmod 3 other than that it isnt kept exactly up to date (easy enough to do yourself, mind) But generally, yes, I wouldnt start a game without cmod and a few others installed, just because without it everything is so quick. Dont get me wrong, I love dogfights that are over within seconds, but when flying around an mk5, getting oneshot by another m5 isnt exactly entertaining.
I at one point, even dabbled in mods myself a bit. If you look back far enough, youll find a mod where I attempted to remake the majority of the game with beam weapons. Unfortunately, turns out, instanthit weapons arent good, and carry their own issues (notably, you cant dodge any of them. Also, they turn with your ship, not with the turret) Right. I digress a bit. mods make things better. If you think otherwise, then you havent found the right mod yet.
Oh, and whitehound, if youve an actual issue with scripts please do better explain it. Otherwise, your the troll here.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.22 08:44:00 -
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Did I mention that it's fun to send Marine boarding parties into disabled capital ships to capture them?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.22 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Oh, and whitehound, if youve an actual issue with scripts please do better explain it. Otherwise, your the troll here.
No. Your problem is that you cannot accept other people's opinion. It is not the fact that the game is bad. Get over it and do it fast!
The game allows you to start without the story. Egosoft explained it with the complaints they got from their players who said that the story was bad.
The aliens in the game are made with a rendering technology from the late 80's, early 90's, and Egosoft never improved it even after releasing the third part.
Using any of the mods invalidates your game. Whatever problem you then have is all yours. Of course, everyone knows this and so how could one expect help?! ... Nerds! The reason why it has so many mods is because everyone tries to make it work for them. And everyone is very quick to point you to the mods ...
Some game CDs were bad and when players complaint about it on their forums did Egosoft ban them one by one. The rest of us did not dare to speak up any longer, in fear of our forum accounts. It was like the Germans of the past had come back.
I am not saying that nobody likes it. Pigs like mud. It is good for them. It does however not mean that everyone has to like mud.
Most other bad games just lack the budget to compete with the quality of other games and therefore fall short. Egosoft however sold the game at a full price, including expensive collector's editions, and over 2-3 million copies.
So I say it again, it is scripted crap! I am sure Egosoft knows it, too.
I have played many other good space games, with Elite on the C64 being the first one that I can remember, and with good games after X2-X3:
Nexus, the Jupiter Incident Star Wolves Sins of a Solar Empire Mass Effect
Just some I remember. And now I am playing EVE. --
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.22 16:27:00 -
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So, your issue is that: a)Mods give you a ***Modified*** tag, and Egosoft wont tech support Modified games b)Germany has fairly strict laws when it comes to discussing piracy, so egosoft keeps their board clean of such* c)you think Mass Effect is a space game that relates somehow to x3tc
*im fairly sure thats how the cd-issues threads ended, but im not 100% sure, they were a while ago
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.22 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter So, your issue is that: ...
No, it is not that simple and there is no point in going into details, when you just shrug them off and begin to switch positions. You are laughing about Mass Effect being different from X2-X3. But you also want tell people that it has many mods for the game? Where is the sense in that?
Accept it, you love a crappy game. It is not me who is judging you for it. You only want to believe that you are playing a good game. --
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.22 17:53:00 -
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Lance, If you reply to Whitehound any more, I will be forced to invoke a removal of your TrollBadge.
That is all. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.22 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Lance, If you reply to Whitehound any more, I will be forced to invoke a removal of your TrollBadge.
but.. meh.
Back to the topic at hand: x3tc is amazing. Just watch out for asteroids.
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