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Corvus Borealis
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:05:00 -
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As we speak, the industry is on fire. Windows 8 RMT was released and it's plain horrible. At the same time Valve, the company making Steam and CS, has shown how OpenGL & Ubuntu pwns D3 & Windows.
Yes, Valve has strategy to bring Steam to Linux and top of that, port all their games to linux. That's over 2500 different products!
Reason behind this is that Valve and other companies don't believe in Windows 8. Microsoft is blinded by their belief that they are unbeatable and always right. They are doing what Nokia did, and that is not listening their partners or customers. Or even dealers.
Now, next six months are really interesting. It might lead into destruction of two IT dinosaurs, Microsoft and Nokia. Both being huge, market leaders, but not being able to re-focus on new market.
My question is for CCP that are you planning on taking any actions on possible Windows 8 failure?
There are large PC dealer companies that actually are considering to skip Windows 8 totally. There are numerous PC dealers that are willing to put Ubuntu on their PC's once Valve gets steam and few major games ported on it.
Games are only reason why Windows is so used.
In 2012 there is absolutely zero reasons to have Windows in your corporate PC's since there is multiple, as capable office solutions, as Microsoft Office is.
Red Hat and Canonical are going for the top on high gear. Their products are much more cheaper than Microsofts products are. Making software on linux is much more easily, in legal mind, than making for Windows.
By making clients on Red Hat and Debian branches of Linux distributions, you would cover up most of linux users out there.
Oh and the fun part is that Intel, AMD and Nvidia don't give **** about Windows, they just want their products get sold. If WIndows in falling dinosaur and linux the rising star, of course they will give their support on Valve, Canonical and Red Hat.
Gaming industry is already strongly focusing on open gl and mobile operating systems such as iOS and android. It would be logical them to keep on open gl and screw Direct X with linux.
Finnish people still don't believe that Nokia is dead, Microsoft doesn't even get to realise what did hit them.
Back in days CCP had linux clients, but it wasn't their time yet. But now it's real.
Change is here! |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
142
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:09:00 -
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Dude
I really don't know how to say this without sounding like a class A Jerk
LINUX is used for PROGRAMS mostly. Not gaming.
It is good for gaming, however, Windows no matter how shite the OS will always reign supreme on the market. Apple just behind.
Linux however will never gain the publicity to do this, simply because most people who online game
Wouldn't even know how to get to there APPDATA on there PC or know what CCCLEANER is.
If you choose to USE Linux, expect to encounter difficulties when gaming online for clients that were not, nor should be, coded for Linux based players who and i quote
*use Linux to make there own OS simply to be outside of the box and to show off to friends they are super nerds*
I think that should just about cover it. |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
142
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:12:00 -
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Also
No company would mass produce LINUX based machines as they would not sell
It would be financial stupidity.
You've heard a rumour on the internet and are jumping at CCP. I do have a Linux server for work. But to use it for general things IMO is plain stupid and makes your life difficult for no reason other than to try and feel smart. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
40
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:16:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:You've heard a rumour on the internet and are jumping at CCP. I do have a Linux server for work. But to use it for general things IMO is plain stupid and makes your life difficult for no reason other than to try and feel smart. Calling the catastrophe that is Windows 8, and/or Valves ambitious plans to start a large movement in favour of Linux as rumour is just mind boggling. Are you living in the 00's?.
Either that or you're employed by EA or Microsoft. Can't work out which. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
142
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:17:00 -
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Blane Xero wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:You've heard a rumour on the internet and are jumping at CCP. I do have a Linux server for work. But to use it for general things IMO is plain stupid and makes your life difficult for no reason other than to try and feel smart. Calling the catastrophe that is Windows 8, and/or Valves ambitious plans to start a large movement in favour of Linux as rumour is just mind boggling. Are you living in the 00's?. Either that or you're employed by EA or Microsoft. Can't work out which.
I see nothing wrong with W8 personally, perhaps you do, but we use it every day, it is not the fault of the company that people are to stupid to keep up with technology
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Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition VORTEX RISING
169
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:24:00 -
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We all know that Window's OS's follow a pattern of Crapitude, Win 8 (looks like it sucks so far), Win 7 great, Win Vista (awful!), Win XP great. we just have to wait until Win 9 and it'll all be good. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:27:00 -
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"Yess. THIS is the year that linux takes over the market. Mark my words." - Every stupid idiot nerd since at least 1995. |
fenistil
Defensive Parameter
20
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:29:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Dude
I really don't know how to say this without sounding like a class A Jerk
LINUX is used for PROGRAMS mostly. Not gaming.
It is good for gaming, however, Windows no matter how shite the OS will always reign supreme on the market. Apple just behind.
Linux however will never gain the publicity to do this, simply because most people who online game
Wouldn't even know how to get to there APPDATA on there PC or know what CCCLEANER is.
If you choose to USE Linux, expect to encounter difficulties when gaming online for clients that were not, nor should be, coded for Linux based players who and i quote
*use Linux to make there own OS simply to be outside of the box and to show off to friends they are super nerds*
I think that should just about cover it.
LOL! This is your testimony how little you know about Linux!
Linky 1: http://www.geek.com/articles/games/steam-for-linux-will-launch-in-2012-2012065/ Linky 2: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
Linux and gaming are getting close.... Also EVE runs with some smart thinking on Linux. http://defp.co.cc/recruitment |
Nex apparatu5
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
325
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:30:00 -
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Every other Windows release is ****. 8 will be the next Vista, which was the next ME.
No one cares about Linux. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:31:00 -
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you skipped over Valve facing direct competition from Microsoft's Windows Marketplace
these days valve is a content distributor more than a game developer and Windows 8 directly threatens their business
so while I personally don't really get along with the "Windows 8 style UI" I would take everything Newell says on that matter with a grain of salt...
Also keep in mind that the comparison was with Direct3D 9 while later DirectX versions have some real performance enhancements and that OpenGL on Windows performed very well, too.
Quote:Yes, Valve has strategy to bring Steam to Linux and top of that, port all their games to linux. That's over 2500 different products! citation needed.
There is speculation that Valve might come out with a linux-based "Steam box" but I have never read anything indicating that Valve plans to port all "their" games to Linux nor that they would port all Steam games to Linux - given the state of Steam on Mac this seems extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future. All we know so far is that Valve has ported a recent version of their Source engine.
(and when EVE still had a Linux client many users made the experience that EVE ran better under vanilla WINE than under Cedega - so unless you get a native port (which won't happen anytime soon and which Mac users don't have either) you probably won't see much actual improvement for Linux users) |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
962
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:31:00 -
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Hey guys, 2 multibillion dollar giant companies are just going to up and vanish overnight, you heard it here first, this prophet of industry couldn't possibly be wrong. |
Nex apparatu5
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
325
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:34:00 -
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png
Yeah, that about says it all. |
Corvus Borealis
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:36:00 -
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Microsoft is in huge trouble. Today it was leaked that their engineers must not call their GUI Metro anymore. They are screwed, they need to figure out new name for it or ditch it.
When Windows 7 came, Aero was Aero and still is Aero. It was not a codename for anything. Metro is the same thing, except they finished their OS and noticed that they had made a massive mistake.
Windows 8 is the most epic flop out there. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:43:00 -
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Corvus Borealis wrote:Microsoft is in huge trouble. Today it was leaked that their engineers must not call their GUI Metro anymore. They are screwed, they need to figure out new name for it or ditch it.
When Windows 7 came, Aero was Aero and still is Aero. It was not a codename for anything. Metro is the same thing, except they finished their OS and noticed that they had made a massive mistake.
Windows 8 is the most epic flop out there.
Taking bets on whether you're just naive and underage or autistic. |
Corvus Borealis
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:43:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png
Yeah, that about says it all. In 2005 windows had market share of around 85 percent. It's falling.
Also there is always chance for Google throwing out PC version of Android.
Reason why Windows has been big hit in corporate world is that you can easily teach your employees to use Windows office solutions since most likely they have Windows PC in their home. So gaming is really big deal even for corporate scale contracts.
Once gaming is real in linux world, there is absolutely any reason for anyone to install windows.
Companies who make hardware for PC's don't care about he OS itself. If the OS is hot, they will make hardware for it, if they want to survive.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
510
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:43:00 -
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Charles Baker wrote:We all know that Window's OS's follow a pattern of Crapitude, Win 8 (looks like it sucks so far), Win 7 great, Win Vista (awful!), Win XP great. we just have to wait until Win 9 and it'll all be good.
Sounds about right. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Corvus Borealis
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:44:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Hey guys, 2 multibillion dollar giant companies are just going to up and vanish overnight, you heard it here first, this prophet of industry couldn't possibly be wrong. Nokia.
Was worth hunders of billions.
Now? less than 6 billion euros.. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:46:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Charles Baker wrote:We all know that Window's OS's follow a pattern of Crapitude, Win 8 (looks like it sucks so far), Win 7 great, Win Vista (awful!), Win XP great. we just have to wait until Win 9 and it'll all be good. Sounds about right. ignores the massive complaints about the Windows xp "Fisher Price" UI for the first year after release and that Windows xp pre-SP2 was lacking basic security features. |
Corvus Borealis
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:48:00 -
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http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
Read the blog.
I may remind you that Valve is the creator of Half Life and CS.
Two most epic 'box office hit's in gaming industry. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:51:00 -
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Corvus Borealis wrote:http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
Read the blog.
I may remind you that Valve is the creator of Half Life and CS.
Two most epic 'box office hit's in gaming industry. and I remind you that Valve is a software distributor first and foremost and that nobody likes to wake up to find out that Microsoft is pushing aggressively into his core market
So far Steam has very little competition (games for windows live is a joke, Origin suffers from association with EA) and this might change significantly with Windows 8 - can't expect Gabe to be happy about that. |
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Julius Rigel
45
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:55:00 -
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fenistil wrote:EVE runs with some smart thinking on Linux. Let me interject for a moment, "With some smart thinking"? My pet monkey could install eve through WINE on a bad day.
If you've already managed to get a linux distro running without ruining your floppy drive with tomato sauce in the process like the median of the population would, then you've already done the necessary "smart thinking".
Besides, I was playing eve on linux back in 2009 before it was cool.
Anyway, isn't this a discussion of a feature? Should this not go in FAID rather than GD? Do YOU like to undock? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
962
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:56:00 -
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Corvus Borealis wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Hey guys, 2 multibillion dollar giant companies are just going to up and vanish overnight, you heard it here first, this prophet of industry couldn't possibly be wrong. Nokia. Was worth hunders of billions. Now? less than 6 billion euros..
While I appreciate your enthusiasm for something, I'm pretty sure you're clueless.
Can you name me the major world wide companies that have tanked out and completely died in the past 40 years?
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Sarmatiko
754
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:57:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that majority of EVE players still have Windows XP on their machines. In 2-3 years they will move to Win 7 and with Dx11 support there will be like 5+ years of stable development. EVE Online can simply skip Windows 8, Windows 9, Windows 10. There is no place for Linux, sorry.
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:57:00 -
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you're an idiot. GabeN (valve) is only butthurt because of Windows Store - suddenly COMPETITION. Not that those of us on steam are suddenly going to switch to using windows store
the new "Modern UI" skin is just a mild annoyance - all the technical details under the hood are pretty much improvements for gaming.
Features New in Win8
Noteable improvements for gamers:
Better Multimonitor support Easier to read performance tab in task manager (more visual) New software raid system build into windows (can use it for perf, and thin provision it) USB3 Faster boot Windows Display Driver Model 1.2 and DX Graphics Infrastructure 1.2: Performance improvements, stereoscopic 3D rendering, and video playback. with a better video driver multitasking model
[edit] for the sake of full disclosure i must disclose that i work for one of the parties involved. If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |
Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:59:00 -
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When will people understand that arguing with a zealot like Corvus is utterly pointless? People like him have blinders, they cannot see other points of view, they don't care about what has happened in the past, nothing, you will never win I used to have a boss with the exact same attitude, if your opinion was not his, you were wrong. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:01:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Corvus Borealis wrote:http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/
Read the blog.
I may remind you that Valve is the creator of Half Life and CS.
Two most epic 'box office hit's in gaming industry. and I remind you that Valve is a software distributor first and foremost and that nobody likes to wake up to find out that Microsoft is pushing aggressively into his core market So far Steam has very little competition (games for windows live is a joke, Origin suffers from association with EA) and this might change significantly with Windows 8 - can't expect Gabe to be happy about that.
And should I remind you that Valve is also someone who sets standards in gaming industry, and the first was CS/HL, then Steam, now the port of their tools/games away from windows. On the first 2 everyone else followed, I don't see why others won't with the third.
In the end, the amount of Linux ignorants and Windows biggots in this thread is over 9000, if you're going to make a point about something, at least get instructed on it, don't read lightly the first google search result you get and come and talk like if you have a degree on it...
EvE won't have a linux client ever, mainly because all their development tools/framework/etc is done on windows (I don't know how ppl start a game on python and then end up on windows.....) so don't get your hopes high. Specially after their recent internal revamp in tools/logs etc, all is done on windows, I'm sure they won't spend more precious time porting everything to linux at least in the recent future. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:02:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Can you name me the major world wide companies that have tanked out and completely died in the past 40 years? there are quite a few "failed" big companies - but usually they get bought out by/merge into a competitor long before they have "completely died", why throw away all that brand recognition and goodwill?
Quote:In the end, the amount of Linux ignorants and Windows biggots in this thread is over 9000, if you're going to make a point about something, at least get instructed on it, don't read lightly the first google search result you get and come and talk like if you have a degree on it.. I used Linux exclusively for several years and always have a Linux installation lying around somewhere to play around with it. Even ran EVE on Linux (after having to swap my graphics card due to Wine not liking my old one, :cripes:) for a few weeks earlier this year. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:02:00 -
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Denidil wrote:you're an idiot. GabeN (valve) is only butthurt because of Windows Store - suddenly COMPETITION. Not that those of us on steam are suddenly going to switch to using windows store
the new "Modern UI" skin is just a mild annoyance - all the technical details under the hood are pretty much improvements for gaming.
Oh look lol, the conspiracy theorists!! Goonswarm didn't want that system anyway, see what I did there ? |
Sarmatiko
754
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:04:00 -
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Weeeeeee 3+ years old junk like HL1, Portal, and L4D are coming to Linux after so many years. No one have played this games before. Truly amazing, world changing and revolutionary!!1111
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
735
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Posted - 2012.08.03 19:05:00 -
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2009/02/09/ccp-games-drops-linux-client-support-for-eve-online/
Explains quite nicely why there isn't any Linux client and you (OP) seem a little high on what Valve have stated. Personally, I wonder how far they could have gotten on Half-Life 3 if they put the same same development time as they put in on this. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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