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Elder Lemon
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Posted - 2010.10.19 18:53:00 -
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As everyone may well already know, if one breaks the 'law' in eve, their ship is destroyed by CONCORD. But is this realy enough? In eve, everyone has guns because they are an impliment of everyday life. We can slap on the guns and go were we want, so long as we do not harm anyone without justifiable reason such as war or aggression. But if harm is inflicted upon an innocent victim (depending on system security) he must wait for concord to arrive and destroy the hostile ship of who now is in a pod and must run to a station and sit cooked up in there for 15 minutes. But is this enough? Think about modern society. If someone randomly runs over someone else the police dont just take away the car and tell the person to stand in the corner for 15 minutes. No, the car is impounded (be it lambroghini or kia), the person is fined, then sent to prison for some time depending on intentions, fined a heafty sum, sometimes put on bail, and the drivers licence is revoked. To top it off the person recieves a criminal record. Now only would law enforcement like this be effective in eve but would eventualy make the security status in systems actualy mean something. Reprocussions would make an alt much harder to raise and skill up to be a 'scuicide alt'.
Concord should... - not only destroy the ship but put the person on agression for 24 hours rather than a laughable 15 minutes. - lower the security status - if the action is done multipule times ban the person from the system (just as someone with low faction standings is baned from that factions space) - take half the ships value from the players wallet. If the player does not have this sum they will pay 50% of all earning from then on to concord until the debt is paid. - possibly start taking skillpoints away if repeated multipule times.
These actions would make eve a safer place. Of course these enforcements would be held in security systems from 1.0 to .5
We all know jita would be such a better pplace to be if the people after your hauler werent alowed to be there
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Ragnar256
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:01:00 -
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You say everyone has guns. It's the victim's fault he/she is not armed well enough to withstand an assault for whatever time it takes Concord to show up. If you go under-equipped for an attack, for example, just to mine faster, then you are taking a risk.
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Hashpipe Malone
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:08:00 -
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your nutz...eve would be a very boring place without the risk...go back to hello kitty online. send me your stuff first however.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Lemon
As everyone may well already know, if one breaks the 'law' in eve, their ship is destroyed by CONCORD. But is this realy enough? In eve, everyone has guns because they are an impliment of everyday life. We can slap on the guns and go were we want, so long as we do not harm anyone without justifiable reason such as war or aggression. But if harm is inflicted upon an innocent victim (depending on system security) he must wait for concord to arrive and destroy the hostile ship of who now is in a pod and must run to a station and sit cooked up in there for 15 minutes. But is this enough? Think about modern society. If someone randomly runs over someone else the police dont just take away the car and tell the person to stand in the corner for 15 minutes. No, the car is impounded (be it lambroghini or kia), the person is fined, then sent to prison for some time depending on intentions, fined a heafty sum, sometimes put on bail, and the drivers licence is revoked. To top it off the person recieves a criminal record. Now only would law enforcement like this be effective in eve but would eventualy make the security status in systems actualy mean something. Reprocussions would make an alt much harder to raise and skill up to be a 'scuicide alt'.
Concord should... - not only destroy the ship but put the person on agression for 24 hours rather than a laughable 15 minutes. - lower the security status - if the action is done multipule times ban the person from the system (just as someone with low faction standings is baned from that factions space) - take half the ships value from the players wallet. If the player does not have this sum they will pay 50% of all earning from then on to concord until the debt is paid. - possibly start taking skillpoints away if repeated multipule times.
These actions would make eve a safer place. Of course these enforcements would be held in security systems from 1.0 to .5
We all know jita would be such a better pplace to be if the people after your hauler werent alowed to be there
Go back to WOW, we need not your whining here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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JackBlasta
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:32:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious....
1/10
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Krevnos
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:38:00 -
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An excellent and well thought out solution to the risk associated with those "folks" who try to steal from your hauler. As you say those players deserve to be banned from playing for a full 24 hours of game time that they paid for.
I mean seriously, if it weren't for those scum, I could quite happily AFK my Kestrel all the way to Jita with 74 PLEX. That's how it should be!!
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Tarsas Phage
Just Us Guys In Space
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hashpipe Malone send me your stuff first however.
Well, he's probably sore because all his stuffs got blowed up in a suigank (thus, none to give you)
But, to get in before the "u mad bro" poasts, the OP clearly put some thought in his essay so it should get at least one serious reply.
My opinion is that it's a mistake to immediately assume, as the OP apparently does, that EVE is a futuristic analog of the RL we know as far as laws go (hell, the game doesn't even follow the laws of physics, let alone RL judicial constructs. This isn't an oversight, it's a necessity)
Furthermore, the OP might not be as familiar as he should be with extracting revenge in EVE (or, to look at another way, dishing out consequences.)
If OP got ganked and didn't return fire, he has 30 days of kill rights on the perp. That means if you, OP, find or otherwise cross paths with the ganker again within 30 days, you have a free pass to open fire on and destroy the ganker's ship. Of course, you cannot pod him, but removing his ship is allowed. Once. Then CONCORD considers you two evened up.
Of course this will take determination and planning on your part, OP (read: actual work) in order to accomplish this. No one else can do it for you. It kills me as I trawl through the pipes how many times I see the same gankers sitting on the same gates, knowing that probably more than a few people out there have kill rights on him but yet he sits there unmolested, sebo's shimmering softly. And when they sink their next hauler full of faction POS mods, I applaud.
Why don't gankers get kill rights exercised on them more often? Probably because people like the OP aren't fully aware of How Things Work and why they are that way... and better yet, how to avoid getting into these situations in the first place. See Also: being in fleet conveys aggro rights.
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Skanthra
Minmatar Bath and Body Works Red Skull Society
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Lemon These actions would make eve a safer place.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Lemon
As everyone may well already know, if one breaks the 'law' in eve, their ship is destroyed by CONCORD. But is this realy enough? In eve, everyone has guns because they are an impliment of everyday life. We can slap on the guns and go were we want, so long as we do not harm anyone without justifiable reason such as war or aggression. But if harm is inflicted upon an innocent victim (depending on system security) he must wait for concord to arrive and destroy the hostile ship of who now is in a pod and must run to a station and sit cooked up in there for 15 minutes. But is this enough? Think about modern society. If someone randomly runs over someone else the police dont just take away the car and tell the person to stand in the corner for 15 minutes. No, the car is impounded (be it lambroghini or kia), the person is fined, then sent to prison for some time depending on intentions, fined a heafty sum, sometimes put on bail, and the drivers licence is revoked. To top it off the person recieves a criminal record. Now only would law enforcement like this be effective in eve but would eventualy make the security status in systems actualy mean something. Reprocussions would make an alt much harder to raise and skill up to be a 'scuicide alt'.
Concord should... - not only destroy the ship but put the person on agression for 24 hours rather than a laughable 15 minutes. - lower the security status - if the action is done multipule times ban the person from the system (just as someone with low faction standings is baned from that factions space) - take half the ships value from the players wallet. If the player does not have this sum they will pay 50% of all earning from then on to concord until the debt is paid. - possibly start taking skillpoints away if repeated multipule times.
These actions would make eve a safer place. Of course these enforcements would be held in security systems from 1.0 to .5
We all know jita would be such a better pplace to be if the people after your hauler werent alowed to be there
Your idea is very bad and you should feel very bad about it.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.19 19:51:00 -
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I think CONCORD should doomsday an entire system when **** happens, and not once, but 3 times over so they make sure to get the pods too.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Elder Lemon
As everyone may well already know, if one breaks the 'law' in eve, their ship is destroyed by CONCORD. But is this realy enough? In eve, everyone has guns because they are an impliment of everyday life. We can slap on the guns and go were we want, so long as we do not harm anyone without justifiable reason such as war or aggression. But if harm is inflicted upon an innocent victim (depending on system security) he must wait for concord to arrive and destroy the hostile ship of who now is in a pod and must run to a station and sit cooked up in there for 15 minutes. But is this enough? Think about modern society. If someone randomly runs over someone else the police dont just take away the car and tell the person to stand in the corner for 15 minutes. No, the car is impounded (be it lambroghini or kia), the person is fined, then sent to prison for some time depending on intentions, fined a heafty sum, sometimes put on bail, and the drivers licence is revoked. To top it off the person recieves a criminal record. Now only would law enforcement like this be effective in eve but would eventualy make the security status in systems actualy mean something. Reprocussions would make an alt much harder to raise and skill up to be a 'scuicide alt'.
Concord should... - not only destroy the ship but put the person on agression for 24 hours rather than a laughable 15 minutes. - lower the security status - if the action is done multipule times ban the person from the system (just as someone with low faction standings is baned from that factions space) - take half the ships value from the players wallet. If the player does not have this sum they will pay 50% of all earning from then on to concord until the debt is paid. - possibly start taking skillpoints away if repeated multipule times.
These actions would make eve a safer place. Of course these enforcements would be held in security systems from 1.0 to .5
We all know jita would be such a better pplace to be if the people after your hauler werent alowed to be there
Go back to WOW, we need not your whining here.
Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you? ~_~
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you?
I just enjoy pointing out how moronic the average pvper is
They keep telling people to go to WOW when more or less everybody ALREADY HAS
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.10.19 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you?
I just enjoy pointing out how moronic the average pvper is
They keep telling people to go to WOW when more or less everybody ALREADY HAS
The fact that 13 million people play WoW and (presumably) enjoy it doesn't negate the fact that 60k people play eve and (presumably) enjoy it. Eve is a niche mmo, there aren't that many (any?) other mmos with the same potential to loose all your stuff that eve has. Most of us play eve specifically because of that potential to loose (and/or make other people loose) stuff.
Telling someone to go back to wow is not a judgment call stating that one mmo is better than the other. It's simply pointing out the fact that the defining feature of eve is the risk of loosing your stuff and that's never going to change. If you don't like that, then please go find another mmo because you'll enjoy it a lot more and save everyone (including yourself) a lot of headache. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac" |
Holli Nalt
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Posted - 2010.10.19 21:13:00 -
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Eve =/= RL.
Thread closed.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2010.10.19 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
Millions of people also bought Gareth Gates CD's, he must be good.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Original Sin.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 22:31:00 -
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Just so you know op. If someone commits an offense in high sec and low sec for that matter, their sec status does get reduced already. And secondly, if a players faction standing is too low they aren't "banned" from that faction's space. The player can still enter that space. They will have the navy on their ass but they aren't banned.
You should hook up with Ankhwhatsherface. She shares your thoughts.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.19 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 19/10/2010 22:45:11
Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you?
I just enjoy pointing out how moronic the average pvper is
They keep telling people to go to WOW when more or less everybody ALREADY HAS
The thing is they are not comparable. WoW and EVE are completely seperate genres, and fantasy MMOs do much, much better than sci-fi ones, probably because chicks dig the elf thing more than duct tape and laz0rz.
Comparing subscribers to people online at a given time isn't exactly being fair either. I believe EVE's last subscription count was ~250k + which is about on par with most other MMOs that haven't failcascaded yet.
That's why the question was asked "What the **** is wrong with you?", has nothing to do with pvp, has everything to do with throwing out some bull**** numbers.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Ragnar256
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Posted - 2010.10.19 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 19/10/2010 22:45:11
Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you?
I just enjoy pointing out how moronic the average pvper is
They keep telling people to go to WOW when more or less everybody ALREADY HAS
The thing is they are not comparable. WoW and EVE are completely seperate genres, and fantasy MMOs do much, much better than sci-fi ones, probably because chicks dig the elf thing more than duct tape and laz0rz.
Comparing subscribers to people online at a given time isn't exactly being fair either. I believe EVE's last subscription count was ~250k + which is about on par with most other MMOs that haven't failcascaded yet.
That's why the question was asked "What the **** is wrong with you?", has nothing to do with pvp, has everything to do with throwing out some bull**** numbers.
Imma Firin My Laz0rs. *insert laser pic here*
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TraderAlt117
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Posted - 2010.10.19 23:29:00 -
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There's a quote i read a while back when talking about ninja salvaging i believe. It seems to be quite applicable....
'Eve isn't set in a universe that is just made to seem dark, brutal and unforgiving, but is made to BE a dark, brutal and unforgiving universe. Deal with it.'
CCP support that being an outlaw is a valid career choice for your character, and run one of the few mmo's where the devs aren't pussies about someone getting victimised. Thats what makes eve the game we all love.
You made a set of choices. They are the same choices everyone else gets. These choices (presumably) led to you getting suicide ganked. Learn, make choices that make you less of a target or harder to gank. I promise you 90% of the eve population had to learn in exactly the same way.
And comparing law enforcement of RL to law enforcement of eve...Depending on the the crime and the scale it was commited, convicts can get the option between serving in the military or spending time in jail. In eve if people shoot/kill other people where they are not supposed to, they get reduced sec status and locked out of varying levels of high sec systems when they shoot/kill people a lot. They *can* raise it via needing to serve in the military by killing guristas/w.e. pirates, or be incarcerated into low sec.
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Rikeka
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Iberians.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 23:45:00 -
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What's with the WOW attitude on this forum?
EVE is NOT a safe place, OP. Deal with it. --------------------------
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.19 23:52:00 -
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I have an old lemon, that's not safe to eat. What should I do?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Niveon
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Lemon
Concord should... - lower the security status
Guys, come on... |
Lord Kytano
Caldari Vengeance Imperium Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:31:00 -
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We should ban hard hits in NFL as well. Also, kids shouldnt play in dirt.
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:58:00 -
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50,000 MMO players poled have balls of steel. Actually you have to hand it to CCP for not dumbing the game down to the common level.
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Atsuko Yamamoto
Spartan Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.10.20 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm....
WOW = 13,000,000 players Eve Online = 50,000 players
Let's see
Manchester United get 60,000 spectators Nowhereville Rovers get 279
Guess Manchester United must be really crap
What the **** is wrong with you?
He forgot about that roughly 1/3 of WoW players are bots, 1/3 are 5 day a month players, and the rest are bored out of their minds.
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Max Cetera
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Posted - 2010.10.20 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Yamamoto
Originally by: Lady Spank He forgot about that roughly 1/3 of WoW Eve players are bots, 1/3 are [b]"I just update skills then log off" players[b]
Fixed it for you
Also for WoW, who cares if it has 13,000,000 players. You have at most 5-10k players on your server (and TOTAL players, not ONLINE players) while the 12,995,000 others are lost on 78,392 different servers.
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JASON W0RTHING
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Posted - 2010.10.20 02:42:00 -
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Suicide Hit
This wasn't yours was it?
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Elder Lemon
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Posted - 2010.10.20 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnar256 You say everyone has guns. It's the victim's fault he/she is not armed well enough to withstand an assault for whatever time it takes Concord to show up. If you go under-equipped for an attack, for example, just to mine faster, then you are taking a risk.
Say that to the guy who just lost the 28 billion isk marauder. You can never be prepared enough. it took 10 battleships to take him down, but it happened.
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Elder Lemon
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Posted - 2010.10.20 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Just so you know op. If someone commits an offense in high sec and low sec for that matter, their sec status does get reduced already. And secondly, if a players faction standing is too low they aren't "banned" from that faction's space. The player can still enter that space. They will have the navy on their ass but they aren't banned.
You should hook up with Ankhwhatsherface. She shares your thoughts.
Yes i know the sec status is already lowered. but the navy chasing the person is what i meant. total banishment would eventualy cut the person off from half of the server.
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