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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:09:00 -
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My question is this: Why is extremely violent content allowed in videogames, and yet even hinting at sexuality in a videogame is demonized?
Basically, people let their kids slaughter people online with chainsaws, or blow people into little pieces, and don't think much of it. However, the moment their child sees 2 people in bed together, completely covered, suddenly this is taboo?? Why??
Maybe parents might have some insight on this (even though I would much rather my kid have a sexual experience instead of an extremely violent experience).
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Epegi Givo
Amarr Department of Redundancy Dpt.
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:32:00 -
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I'm thinking along the same lines as you. It is stupid how anything sexual is "mature". __________________________
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:32:00 -
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Maybe it is in the USA . In Germany violance is censored and softcore **** you can look in normal TV after 22:00. When you have a weapon in a computer game in Gemrany mostly it is 18 years only. Sex no one cares. I know that in the USA have a censor dept for see something naked.
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Lu Hsun
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:36:00 -
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Most proximate reason.
Alot of the developers are based in or marketed at the US. Where violence has been the norm since they decided to kill all the red skins for their land. And puritanism kept sex out where possible.
A more snooty reason is this.
There are simply more forms of violence then there are sexuality. You can kill somebody with fist, swords, guns, guns that are also swords, lasers, plasma, the list goes on. There are also a lot more material to draw from, more interesting settings.
But what about sex? List of tools for sex, ****, vagina, fingers, dildo, that's it. And alot of the paraphelia falls more under violence then sex. Locations are moer limited too. Result, sex in a video game would get boring alot faster then violence.
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lu Hsun
There are simply more forms of violence then there are sexuality. You can kill somebody with fist, swords, guns, guns that are also swords, lasers, plasma, the list goes on. There are also a lot more material to draw from, more interesting settings.
But what about sex? List of tools for sex, ****, vagina, fingers, dildo, that's it. And alot of the paraphelia falls more under violence then sex. Locations are moer limited too. Result, sex in a video game would get boring alot faster then violence.
If you honestly believe this, then you aren't half as creative as you should be
Also, good for you german folks.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:41:00 -
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In Mass Effect 2 were some sex scenes - there was some ugly news on Foxnews and they change some stuff.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu
Originally by: Lu Hsun
There are simply more forms of violence then there are sexuality. You can kill somebody with fist, swords, guns, guns that are also swords, lasers, plasma, the list goes on. There are also a lot more material to draw from, more interesting settings.
But what about sex? List of tools for sex, ****, vagina, fingers, dildo, that's it. And alot of the paraphelia falls more under violence then sex. Locations are moer limited too. Result, sex in a video game would get boring alot faster then violence.
If you honestly believe this, then you aren't half as creative as you should be
Also, good for you german folks.
Maybe it is just all my years of hentai and **** talking here, but I have to agree with the above. Lu Hsun, you are really naive about all the possiblities there are in sexual encounters to the point of being cute.
The difference is the influence of puritan morality and large market that shares that basic moral view of sexuality. Violence on the other hand is accepted and encouraged in some form in all important societies these days. You need to raise a new generation of people willing to defend the society. That doesn't allow you to get away with everything, but it allows a lot of leeway.
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Sazkyen
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 23/10/2010 19:24:24
Taboo. Basically.
Why do people wear clothes? Okay, to keep warm, sure. But what about hot summer days? Same stuff. Taboo.
Also, many people don't like the idea of their 12 years old daughter/son touching themselves (or others) under the blanket.
Going away from pure sexuality, there are more mundane and practical problems associated with this as well. Most people, at least in more westernized countries, don't wish their children to have children of their own at a very young age.
Consider a 13 old having active sexual life. Let's assumume this child has a baby. Study becomes disrupted, family life becomes disrupted. An even more everyday consideration could be financial: it costs money to raise children (you could add many more considerations here, really).
Also, some children become sexually mature a later age.
We could also mention parents wanting to elongate their children's childhood. They don't want to lose them.
Many parents also find it awkward to have conversations with their children about sexuality.
Etc.
Also, sexual liberty is not very old. some 20 years ago it was illegal to sell magazines with sexual content in Hungary (AFAIK. I think they were allowed in the late 80s).
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Betty Boom In Mass Effect 2 were some sex scenes - there was some ugly news on Foxnews and they change some stuff.
Did this happen or are you confusing it from ME1? Romance scenes in ME2 where fairly inoffensive just hugs and kisses (except for Miranda's Bra I guess) but I figured that was down to the huge fuss about a bare bum and side boob in ME1, the PC port had a blur effect added to that scene after the fuss surrounding the console release.
Not saying your wrong or anything just that I don't remember it and ME2 scenes where tame from release.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Skank
Originally by: Betty Boom In Mass Effect 2 were some sex scenes - there was some ugly news on Foxnews and they change some stuff.
Did this happen or are you confusing it from ME1? Romance scenes in ME2 where fairly inoffensive just hugs and kisses (except for Miranda's Bra I guess) but I figured that was down to the huge fuss about a bare bum and side boob in ME1, the PC port had a blur effect added to that scene after the fuss surrounding the console release.
Not saying your wrong or anything just that I don't remember it and ME2 scenes where tame from release.
There were some homosexual scenes to but got censored in the US Version. Same goes to Dragon Age.
OT : well 30 years ago you could be topless on spainish beaches. Generell in Europe we like the USA for their 'moral' news. And 'Beate Uhse', a seller of sextoys etc, was an IPO on the Frankfurt stock exchnage like 20 years ago. Found mostly asiatic investors.^^
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/10/2010 19:31:38 Interesting to note that both deal with mortality, being the beginning of life and the end.
Almost like 'they' don't want us to think about our own mortality, isn't it?
Heard from a nurse i know that most people have to be put under sedation when they're dying, because they start freaking out and can't cope with it. How many of you would be any better?
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 23/10/2010 19:20:46 Taboo. Basically.
Why do people wear clothes? Okay, to keep warm, sure. But what about hot summer days? Same stuff. Taboo.
Also, many people don't like the idea of their 12 years old daughter/son touching themselves (or others) under the blanket.
Going away from pure sexuality, there are more mundane and practical problems associated with this as well. Most people, at least in more westernized countries, don't wish their children to have children of their own at a very young age.
Consider a 13 old having active sexual life. Let's assumume this child has a baby. Study becomes disrupted, family life becomes disrupted. An even more everyday consideration could be financial: it costs money to raise children (you could add many more considerations here, really).
Also, some children become sexually mature a later age.
We could also mention parents wanting to elongate their children's childhood. They don't want to lose them.
Many parents also find it awkward to have conversations with their children about sexuality.
Etc.
Also, sexual liberty is not very old. some 20 years ago it was illegal to sell magazines with sexual content in Hungary (AFAIK).
Meh. Here's where I disagree.
First of all, I only wear clothes on hot summer days because I'll get arrested if I don't. (That, and if my bits accidentally touch hot metal, then it's just not a good day).
Second, why should we assume kids (assumed 12 to 13 in this case) would automatically go out and start sexually experimenting the second they see any sexual content. Also, please note that I wasn't really referring to hardcore **** in videogames or anything, but rather the fact that even the smallest bit of sexual material in any video game is instantly demonized.
Third, why shouldn't we allow this to be the parent's responsibility? When I have children, there is no way I would ever let them play games like call of duty 4 or any excessively violent mature rated video games. Also, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but in my area, stores aren't allowed to sell Mature rated video games to anyone under 18 (granted, this isn't foolproof, but it's not completely useless either). Why should adults, who enjoy playing a videogame every now and then, suffer as well? We are human, and sexuality is completely natural.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:43:00 -
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Another ******ed thing to consider is that in many countries the legal age of consent is 16 or under yet somebody at the age of consent cannot buy a game or video with sexual content.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Betty Boom In Mass Effect 2 were some sex scenes - there was some ugly news on Foxnews and they change some stuff.
That was Mass Effect 1, and they didn't change a thing, Fox as they usually do, made stuff up and got some hack to spew nonsense about it (she later openly admitted that she had never seen the game before the show she was expected to speak about it).
The final "sex" scene didn't need changing, all you could see was a tiny bit of side-boob and ass, nothing more. Fox blew this way out of proportion (according to them you could have sex with everyone and the game featured graphic sex scenes). The storm blew over soon enough after people started fact-checking.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:11:00 -
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Side boob is mighty wicked, but at least it wasn't a nipple.
Nothing corrupts the human mind like a nipple.
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Betty Boom
Caldari SPECTRE Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:13:00 -
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I read something about this in the net. We doesnt get Fox News. Could be a really good comedy central in Europe. ;-P
So it was Mass Effect 1.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/10/2010 19:31:38 Interesting to note that both deal with mortality, being the beginning of life and the end.
Almost like 'they' don't want us to think about our own mortality, isn't it?
Heard from a nurse i know that most people have to be put under sedation when they're dying, because they start freaking out and can't cope with it. How many of you would be any better?
I would but then I'd hear about all the others getting drugs and I'd want my share.
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ShahFluffers
Gallente Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu My question is this: Why is extremely violent content allowed in videogames, and yet even hinting at sexuality in a videogame is demonized?
Basically, people let their kids slaughter people online with chainsaws, or blow people into little pieces, and don't think much of it. However, the moment their child sees 2 people in bed together, completely covered, suddenly this is taboo?? Why??
Maybe parents might have some insight on this (even though I would much rather my kid have a sexual experience instead of an extremely violent experience).
You're playing with fire by asking these questions. Attempting to dissect this will lead to a discussion regarding religion, culture, and general human nature over the last millennium or so.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu My question is this: Why is extremely violent content allowed in videogames, and yet even hinting at sexuality in a videogame is demonized ?
I blame organized religion, Christianity in general, puritan influences in particular. I'm fairly certain that's the one single most important reason (and a completely sufficient reason even absent any other reasons) for this complete stupidity. And like everything else as far as religions are concerned, there's no reasonable explanation, since there's no room for logic at all in such matters "of belief". Frak that organized religion (meh, frak'em all anyway) and frak its spidery influence on everybody else regardless of their different beliefs. _
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Warsmiths
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: V'hellu My question is this: Why is extremely violent content allowed in videogames, and yet even hinting at sexuality in a videogame is demonized?
Basically, people let their kids slaughter people online with chainsaws, or blow people into little pieces, and don't think much of it. However, the moment their child sees 2 people in bed together, completely covered, suddenly this is taboo?? Why??
Maybe parents might have some insight on this (even though I would much rather my kid have a sexual experience instead of an extremely violent experience).
You're playing with fire by asking these questions. Attempting to dissect this will lead to a discussion regarding religion, culture, and general human nature over the last millennium or so.
Do you wish to open Pandora's Box? Y/N?
Yes I do. Obviously many European countries show sexual content on TV and they haven't transformed into sexual deviants having massive orgies in the streets. Many Asian countries show sexual content on TV and they too haven't turned into sexual deviants as well. So I question the authorities who are holding us back in the 18th century. I look at many of our movies that have come out over the last 2 decades and you'll see that they are pg-13 and when I compare them to rated R flicks the only item I really see missing is sexual content. From this I gather that it appears OK that our children of the age of 13 can watch people getting killed in many ways, shapes, and form but heaven forbid that they see the naked body. My view is that the audience in question will eventually see this content, either in the form of a magazine, a movie when they are older, or through a hands on experience so all we are doing is prolonging in inevitable. It is also my belief that it should be the parents discretion if they want their child to view the content, not that of some politically or religiously controlled censor association. Around here (and here I mean in the states) when we see a sexual body part we get all giddy and ecstatic and it turns into a big event where I've noticed that sexuality isn't really all that big of deal in other countries. I personally first noticed this gap when I was dating a Bosnian.
But to answer your question I say yes, we should question the powers that be and we should open Pandora's box, we should ask why we are still held back on this content.
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V'hellu
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:28:00 -
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*facepalm* I really didn't want to go into religion or any of that mess. I just wanted someone to make an honest reply as to why they think this contradiction is ok so I could debate it and and possibly get some insight. I think I got one so far. (By the way, since you just said religion, people started talking about it... thanks )
This could bring up another question though. Our children already have extremely easy access to hardcore **** on the internet. Is this making a major impact on teenagers becoming sexually active?
And even if they are, when you look at the pdf from below... is it really a problem??
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:41:00 -
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Link to prove that violence in video games is good.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.10.24 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu *facepalm* I really didn't want to go into religion or any of that mess.
If you did not see that coming that is pretty naive. Our morals have a religious background. A (succesfull) religion is based around our strongest drives (sex and violence and their repression). NOTE : This is not a value judgement on religion. Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.24 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu My question is this: Why is extremely violent content allowed in videogames, and yet even hinting at sexuality in a videogame is demonized?
Because of Jesus.
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Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
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Posted - 2010.10.24 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 24/10/2010 06:01:40 Edited by: Florio on 24/10/2010 06:01:00 There's another slant to this. My children can differentiate between smashing someone in the face with a pudgy fist and throwing a fireball spell at a mushroom warrior in Fiesta MMO. I am perfectly happy for them to play games involving a modi****of violence, even at 5 year's old. However, I would not want my 5 year old throwing virtual dollars at a virtual stripper or initiating virtual sex in a video game, as the dynamic of differentiation between virtual sex and real life sex is different to that of virtual/real world violence.
I am sure this isn't a matter of me being prudish - I am most definitely not. Perhaps it is because you can say to a child, "Violence is to be avoided, this is just a fun game", but I wouldn't want to teach them the same about sexual content. It would be more a case of "This is an example of the world of sex, learn of it what you will" which doesn't strike me as a good thing to allow a pre-pubescent child to be exposed to - there's a time and a place for sex education and I dont' think p0rn or titilation is the starting point.
At some point of maturity, of course, this changes so that virtual sex is less troublesome.
Hard to put into words for me at this time due to lack of sleep.
edit/ modi.c.um lol
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.24 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 24/10/2010 06:36:02
As if we're talking 5-year olds, and not 12, 14, 18, 30 or even 60... It would be fully normal for a human being to NEVER be exposed to violence personally. It would be highly unusual for a human being to NOT be exposed to sex often during his lifetime. So why is it still ok to talk about or depict violence, yet for sex stuff, not so much ? That was a rhetoric question, by the way. But let's say we WERE talking about kids (we weren't, we were talking about society in general)...
When exactly do you think is ok to talk about sex with kids then ? AFTER they've first had sex in real-life ? Because a huge proportion of the population does start their sex life in their teenage years.
If anything, kids as young as 12 already know full well what sex is, I know I did at that age, and I *didn't* have the luxury of google nor wikipedia. Oh, and the first things they WILL learn about sex is almost certainly some junk they got from ****ographic materials, especially the boys, because let's face it, they WILL want to, and what they want they'll get eventually no matter how much you stick your fingers in your ears and whistle a showtune. You know what happens when kids learn about sexuality from ****ographic materials ? Ridiculous expectations and even worse ****ography in the future, because they started off with the "tasteless" stuff to begin with.
So, sex ed should happen BEFORE any significant portion of them started puberty. 12 is already a bit late for some, so it should probably start at around the age of 10.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.10.24 10:23:00 -
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i would rather explain to my kids why the bad man shot a gun at the other bad man, than why the naked men are standing around that woman in a circle lol... dunno why
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IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.10.24 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sazkyen Also, some children become sexually mature a later age.
We could also mention parents wanting to elongate their children's childhood. They don't want to lose them.
Many parents also find it awkward to have conversations with their children about sexuality.
I wouldn't have ever found out about oh so many things if it wasn't for the school yard. Oh my how naughty school boys can be!
If you want to protect your kids that way you gotta lock em up in a room and never let them out. and well then they are probably more ****ed in the head then if they saw some **** and ass on a videogame.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.24 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 24/10/2010 12:54:34
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails i would rather explain to my kids why the bad man shot a gun at the other bad man, than why the naked men are standing around that woman in a circle lol... dunno why x
Hey, if you're comparing peaches and strawberries here (as opposed to apples and oranges), might as well go for a more appropriate "gravity" example. Like, oh, say, explaining to the kids why is Sam Neill clawing his own eyes out and why guts are being splattered all around an abandoned starship, if you're using that particular not-even-erotic imagery as an example in your comparison. Or conversely, if that shooting example is the violence one you're going to use. just explain why that man and that woman are wrestling naked but seem to like "fighting" like that. Or even better still, explain to your own kids that you're not actually beating their mother under the covers when they accidentally surprise you in the bedroom because they couldn't sleep and wanted their parents.
I mean, yeah, sure, tell kids that people out there really do hurt eachother just because they enjoy hurting others, that will totally reassure them and let them sleep tight at night. But god forbid you explain to them that's how they were brought into this world, and how they will some time also have kids of their own too, that is pretty much guaranteed to scar them for life !
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Scorpyn
Inimical Eclipse
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Posted - 2010.10.24 13:51:00 -
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There are too many humans on this planet.
The easiest way of fixing that is less reproduction and more killing.
(That, and the christian ppl with power in usa.)
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