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Niclas Solo
Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.10.28 02:45:00 -
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So i wanted to fly something new and since am a fan of neut ships i took a look at the ashimmu. I don't understand that ship, it cost more then the pilgrim but why? A bit higher DPS, yes but you can't choose what dmg you want to do. a bit higher EHP, yes but that's with full buffer fit, pilgrim got just a little less but it have an active tank. Speed? nah it's almost the same. Resist? no pilgrim got much higher against drakes and warriors. Web is nice ofc but is one bonus web better then 2 bonus TD? or one bonus TD and one unbonus web? And on that Pilgrim nuet more and can warp cloaked.
I killed and seen more ashimmus then pilgrims so i guess they are more populare but why?
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Dario Wall
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Posted - 2010.10.28 02:54:00 -
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Ashimmu is a faction cruiser that is not all that easy to get a lot of, so it's understandable that the price would be higher than an easily produced T2 ship.
Unless I was doing some silly highsec carebear hunting, I'd leave the Ashimmu in station and use a Pilgrim. The covert ops cloak on the Pilgrim lets you pick and choose what targets you want to fight, while the Ashimmu is like walking around with a bullseye on your back.
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Niclas Solo
Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.10.28 03:02:00 -
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Yes i can understand that demand and supply make it more expensive but i can't see in any way why it would be a better ship so why do i see more ashimmus? And why doesn't ppl choose to fly pilgrim instead so the ashimmu drop to like 70 mil? it's not so rare so there should be a collector price tag on it.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.28 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Niclas Solo so why do i see more ashimmus?
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But seriously there could be a Pilgram right beside you and all you will see is a name in Local then death. Pilgram pilots pick there targets very carefully.
The only time should see a Pilgram is about 1 minute before you explode.
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For Great Justice!
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Niclas Solo
Amarr Love n Peace Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.10.28 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Niclas Solo so why do i see more ashimmus?
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But seriously there could be a Pilgram right beside you and all you will see is a name in Local then death. Pilgram pilots pick there targets very carefully.
The only time should see a Pilgram is about 1 minute before you explode.
Hehe yeah i was just waiting on that one. im a merc pilot myself so i have seen a coupel of gates and its hard to jump one when you are cloaked :) ofc its hard to tell exactly how many is out there. But since pilgrim is better in almost every way and they are cheaper it must mean alot of ppl choose to fly ashimmus.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.28 04:02:00 -
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alternatively, there are more ashummu pilots because people get ****ed off that it takes forever to train cruiser 5, just to realize you cant fly it with just recon 1..
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Mr Moris
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Posted - 2010.10.28 04:48:00 -
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Let's break this down my Snatchie friend:
Pilgrim:
Ok dps, though delayed and killable as it's drones. Good neuting power Covert-ops cloak Tracking disruptors Slow as a pickle sliding down a glass window. Not agile at all.
Ashimmu: 6 guns worth of instant damage dps. Nearly twice a pilgrims dps Good neuting power (only moderately less than pilgrim... 315 per medium compared to 360) 90% web Faster Decent Agility
Ashimmu is a gank boat. You can land and tear into someone fast. It's still a cruiser with a t1 cruisers tank, but you'll shut down other cruisers and be able to tackle just about anything and keep them there. Neuts will help shut down some incoming dps, but mainly there to prevent ewar/speed mods/active tanks.
Pilgrim is a u-boat. You can kill much bigger targets than an ashimmu because of the TD's, but you'll do it slower. You're also SOL vs missile boats/passive tanks. DPS is too pathetic to break a drake and you're too slow and fat to avoid much. It's a great ship, dont get me wrong, but you need to be very careful with targets.
Oh, and ashimmu works great in gangs. Pilgrim, meh, get a curse.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.28 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Moris Slow as a pickle sliding down a glass window.
May not be agile but since your not warping but apear next to them you can use a scram. That means you can add an AB for extra speed tank and control range.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Mr Moris
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Posted - 2010.10.28 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Moris on 28/10/2010 05:11:18 Ab w/ a plate is still slow... very slow.
And my descriptor may have been over the top, but AB fit pilgrim is SLOOOOW vs MWD fit Ashimmu :-)
Edited to add: MWD on target is not much of an issue since both will be neuting the flock out of them. Scram is also inferior to 90% web
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Ong
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Posted - 2010.10.28 05:53:00 -
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o/ Nic
Ashimu is a great gang ship, its not like u can look at a bhalgorn and go oh wow that does less dps then a paladin, it must suck. A bs gang with bhalgorn suport is great, same goes for a cruier gang with ashimu suport.
Depends how you plan to use the ships tbh, if your solo hunting take a pilgrim every time, if your doing small gang stuff and are in need to tackle and neuts with some dps and dont have enough people to fly a rapier and a curse then take the ashimu.
As for the argument about pilgrims speed, learn to fit, dual prop pilgrims are pretty sexy.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.28 09:38:00 -
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fortunately, the bhaal does more dps than a redeemer, which is actually the proper comparison.
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Johnny cruz
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Posted - 2010.10.28 11:10:00 -
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Both ships are eh. Ash has the pimp factor, and the webs though.
@All the ppl saying ash is a great gang boat... Meh, 90% webs aren't a combat bonus - they are a gank bonus. I don't personally consider a ship to be a great "gang" ship if it's only purpose is to assist with ganks. On the same note, the vigilant has the same web bonus and with high range blasters. It's kinda a **** boat, and does it much better on a whole than the Ash.
@pilgrim... Great ship till you try and gank your first pvp-fit ship. Then you'll be lucky to escape in between nueting cycles if their point runs out in between their cap boosting :).
Moral of the story... Ash vs Pilgrim, there are meaningful differences, and there is demand for Ash over the pilgrim from gank gangs. That said, both ships are meh :).
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.10.28 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Niclas Solo So i wanted to fly something new and since am a fan of neut ships i took a look at the ashimmu. I don't understand that ship, it cost more then the pilgrim but why? A bit higher DPS, yes but you can't choose what dmg you want to do. a bit higher EHP, yes but that's with full buffer fit, pilgrim got just a little less but it have an active tank. Speed? nah it's almost the same. Resist? no pilgrim got much higher against drakes and warriors. Web is nice ofc but is one bonus web better then 2 bonus TD? or one bonus TD and one unbonus web? And on that Pilgrim nuet more and can warp cloaked.
I killed and seen more ashimmus then pilgrims so i guess they are more populare but why?
As you said yourself, Pilgrim is more specialized, so it requires more skills than Ashimmu. Yes you need 2 cruiser skills for Ashimmu, but for Pilgrim you need much more to be effective. So the demand for Ashimmu is much higher than Pilgrim making it more expensive.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.10.28 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter fortunately, the bhaal does more dps than a redeemer, which is actually the proper comparison.
actually the redeemer do more dps than the bhaal. both ships have 8 affective turrets but the redeemer can use 5 heavy drones
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.10.28 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
Originally by: Lance Fighter fortunately, the bhaal does more dps than a redeemer, which is actually the proper comparison.
actually the redeemer do more dps than the bhaal. both ships have 8 affective turrets but the redeemer can use 5 heavy drones
show me a redeemer fit that outdamages both the opponents hitpoint buffer and capacitor buffer compared to a bhaal
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Random Alt1467
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Posted - 2010.10.28 19:14:00 -
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The Pilgrim's higher CPU and Covert capabilities also opens it to more types of uses like probing, covert cyno, virtual run of lowsec, etc. IT is my mission/plexing buster of choice with TD's Neuts Probes AB scram web plate tank and flexibility of drones. As stated it doesn't kill fast, but if you are smart, you can take out battleships.
And yes it works well against other PvP fit ships so long as you get the jump on them. That is the key to being successful as a Pilgrim pilot.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.10.28 19:21:00 -
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The Ashimmu is a powerful tool that focuses on disabling your target. If your target is disabled, you can easily peck away at said target without any movement or resistance.
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