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Zverofaust
Gallente Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:28:00 -
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So I'm kind of irate. I see all these people (re: vids) of people who play Eve with pretty much max settings, effects and all, who have essentially seamless performance even with hundreds of people on grid.
I, on the other hand, play with no effects and every possible setting set to its lowest possible denominator and yet my client will up and take a **** on itself anytime more than 7 people decide to inhabit my grid. Even with all brackets turned off, all chat channel blink notifications off, etc etc, my GAMEPLAY IS UTTER CRAP.
Why? I've got:
2.8GHz CPU (single-core; I herd Eve doesn't care about dual cores but its kind of an old processor) 4GB RAM GeForce 8500 GT 512mb Windows XP
Frankly I'm getting kind of sick of it. I don't even care about being able to look at flashy spiffy graphics. I'd be perfectly happy playing a game on its lowest possible settings as long as it worked nicely -- but Eve doesn't. Some parts of the game are just completely unplayable to me; a few weeks ago I warped into a mission complex that had about 30 or so NPCs in it and the performance drop was so intense that my computer essentially froze up. It took me over 30 seconds just to click on a celestial and hit the warp button, at which point I was in my pod.
I don't remember it being this bad. I remember 1-2 years ago I had very little problem running multiple clients on the same machine/on the same monitor, one mining, another sitting in a station and the 3rd involved in some 100vs100 fleet fight at medium graphics settings with FX turned on and everything went smoothly. But since then I've seen a slow but steady decline in performance.
Is it my fault? Did Eve just outgrow my computer specs over the past year? Is there anything I can do short of a complete reformat, or new computer?
Also, if you hadn't been able to tell I'm a bit hardware illiterate. ___________________________________________ The Hero of Kamela The Terror of Tararan The Executioner of Ezzara |
Akicho Darkspace
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust
2.8GHz CPU (single-core; I herd Eve doesn't care about dual cores but its kind of an old processor) 4GB RAM GeForce 8500 GT 512mb Windows XP
Is it my fault? Did Eve just outgrow my computer specs over the past year? Is there anything I can do short of a complete reformat, or new computer?
No offense but pretty much this. Assuming thats ddr1? agp card? Imo the lack of multiprocessing is what is killing it for you there.
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Bacon Slapper
Minmatar Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Bacon Slapper on 30/10/2010 10:44:22 Edited by: Bacon Slapper on 30/10/2010 10:44:00 I had a great computer about a year ago that was killed by me. I shot it. I'm using an ok laptop that the key are falling off of. I even delicately glued 3 back on and the usb is held on by duck tape. So it's not in the best condition anyway.
4gb 64bit os pentium dual core t4300 2.10GHz vista
works the same
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Dark Pony
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Posted - 2010.10.30 10:49:00 -
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If I were you I'd install fresh drivers and do a RAM check, might be corrupted somewhere. Also check your pc for aps, malware and other stuff hogging your ram. Maybe consider a fresh install of XP and/or emptying EVE's cache. Next to that it could be a ton of other things.
Your pc might be getting slightly old but it should still work reasonably fine with a GT8500. I burned through one myself though, those cards get really hot. Anyway, be damn sure your pc isn't to blame before blaming EVE ;-)
P.s. the heavy lag in some missions is mainly due to some badly scripted / overly complex structure models I think, it shouldn't give you 10 seconds of system lag though. Official Helmet Polisher |
Aggelos Theristes
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:11:00 -
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I've a fairly modern system (i7 920, 6gb ram, dual graphics setup) and when I warp into grids with clouds of gas I notice a fairly large drop in performance (dual boxing it goes to 30ish fps, which is borderline playable for me). I could imagine what it would do to an older system.
I'd try a reformat, then if you still get poor performance you'll know it's down to your system and not an OS that gets bloated over time. But that's my solution to everything!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust 2.8GHz CPU single-core, 4GB RAM, GeForce 8500 GT 512mb, Windows XP
It's a bit old, but if everything was ok with it, you shouldn't be getting the kind of problems you describe. There MUST be something faulty with your machine, and other stuff would have to cause problems, not just EVE.
That's more or less what I used to have (the only difference being my CPU was a Pentium 1.6GHz dual core) before my vidcard fried a few months ago, and it ran EVE fine enough with every in-game setting maxed out. That CPU however, it might really be a bottleneck... EVE might not have cared all that much about multiple processors in the past, and probably still doesn't care much under XP with old graphics card drivers, but under Win7 and with the newest drivers with multithreaded optimisation turned on, you will get at least SOME use of the other cores (if you have multiple, that is). It wasn't getting great FPS just outside of Jita44 if you know what I mean, but it was tolerable. What kind of FPS do you get when it doesn't lock up ? Tried installing the latest drivers for... well, everything possible, but especially the graphics drivers. Also, DirectX up to date ? And by the way, I assume you only see about three and a half gigs of RAM since I doubt you have a 64-bit XP version. Are you sure it's not just the HDD starting to fail, or god knows what else eating up a lot of RAM ? How much RAM is actually in use and how much unused RAM do you have when you play EVE ? Do you have resource cache enabled or disabled ? There might be some memory leaks from your EVE install, or from some other software you're running. Or your swap file might be under heavy use and also heavily fragmented, does your HDD blink heavily whenever EVE "freezes up" ? Many possibilities here... If nothing else helps... when was the last time you reinstalled your OS ? This could be a sign it's a good idea to do that about now.
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tagen young
Caldari Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.10.30 12:26:00 -
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You have the same graphics card as me.
Don't think its purely a old card issue if you have those kinds of problems.
I am able to use two clients on medium settings without any problems, It also works fine in small/medium pvp fleets. For fleets over 100 I tend to turn everything off and use lowest settings. No idea how it would hold up in mega blob fleets as I dont live in 0.0.
Sorry I cant help you further as i'm not a computer tech person.
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Brennivargur
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Posted - 2010.10.30 12:34:00 -
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2 things;
1. lack of multicore processor 2. lack of SSD
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist I have facial hair how can I help?
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BeegBadda Boom
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Posted - 2010.10.30 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Brennivargur 2 things;
1. lack of multicore processor 2. lack of SSD
So bored you troll a technical question or just clueless? |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.30 12:54:00 -
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Im guessing its a software thing, Your specs are fine for eve.
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Persona n0ngrata
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Posted - 2010.10.30 13:02:00 -
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when was the last time you did basic maintenance on your computer. -disk clean up -disk defragmenter I usually make sure to do this a minimum of at least once a month and if I've been adding and removing programs a lot lately, ill do it then.
Other then that you should do a full scan for malware and other unwanted trash. Also if you know how to do it (I don't) you could take a look at your windows task manager and see what your computer is running at start up. Going through that list you can find stuff that is taking up cpu and memory space that's not needed and tell the computer to not run that process. Be careful when doing this as you don't want to shut any important processes down that could hurt your computer. I personally have a friend help me with that when its needed as I don't know how to shut the process down and keep the comp from starting it up again on power up.
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Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Minmatar The Lunatic Collective Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.10.30 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust So I'm kind of irate. I see all these people (re: vids) of people who play Eve with pretty much max settings, effects and all, who have essentially seamless performance even with hundreds of people on grid.
I, on the other hand, play with no effects and every possible setting set to its lowest possible denominator and yet my client will up and take a **** on itself anytime more than 7 people decide to inhabit my grid. Even with all brackets turned off, all chat channel blink notifications off, etc etc, my GAMEPLAY IS UTTER CRAP.
Why? I've got:
2.8GHz CPU (single-core; I herd Eve doesn't care about dual cores but its kind of an old processor) 4GB RAM GeForce 8500 GT 512mb Windows XP
Also, if you hadn't been able to tell I'm a bit hardware illiterate.
EVE is a fairly easy game to run even on a system as outdated as yours. I would be inclined to think it is more an issue of what else is you PC trying to do at the same time. I assume since your system is old you have been running the same windows install on it as long as you have had it. Windows in general seems to noticeably drop in performance over time no matter what applications you are running. I generally reinstall at least once a year to keep my system running fast. You may also have a problem with back ground programs and/or malware eating up your available memory not leaving enough to run the game. I have also noticed on my old PC I have set up for my kids that windows XP is starting to give me lots of problems. I think they may have purposely written some bad code into a recent XP update to try to force more people to upgrade to windows 7. After the huge vista fail many people have just stuck with XP drastically reducing the sales of windows 7 from the projections. I would suggest first uninstall any programs you don't use or want through the control panel. over time you can accumulate a lot of extra CRAP in there that you didn't even realize you installed. many low end viruses install programs on you PC that don't really hurt anything but they take up memory and reduce performance. Then do a disk defrag, Then install a good anti virus and malware if you do not already have them, and do a full system scan for both. That should make a noticeable difference in your performance. If that does not work then you probably have a hardware issue, some components such as graphics cards and memory can fail even after years of reliable use. Did you try running at high setting and have your PC crash? you may have overheated something and damaged it. a Radeon HD 4650 graphics card is probably the best AGP card you can get if you can find one if you want to upgrade without buying a whole new system. If your system has PCI express slot than there are tonnes of options. 8500GT is a little low end though. I used to run 2 8500 GT's in SLI and it sucked bad. But if it used to work good your system probably just needs a tune-up.
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.30 15:39:00 -
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EVE makes use of helper threading. This means it asks Windows to fetch content that the main thread will require soon, or currently requires. EVE can use multiple processors/threads, but they're only there to help the main thread (rather than a sound thread running entirely on its own, etc).
Plus 2.8Ghz back then is not the same as 2.8Ghz now. AMD processors at lower speeds regularly out-paced Intel ones at higher clocks back in the day. It's all about the architecture, and a dated Pentium 4 or an Athlon XP will struggle with EVE at times.
The 8500 is an old card, and mid-ranged at that. I wouldn't be surprised if that the main factor holding you back. Check your drivers and update accordingly. If AGP, then look to upgrade, cos the lack of bandwidth available compared to PCI-E is shocking. ---
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Running missions
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:08:00 -
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i would reinstall windows XP. its healthy to reinstall your OS every 2 years or so
Originally by: CCP Adida
Originally by: WMunny Is it cheating for a new player to buy ISK using PLEX?
It's against the EULA and can be actioned by GMs.[/ |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 30/10/2010 17:03:35
Originally by: Running missions i would reinstall windows XP. its healthy to reinstall your OS every 2 years or so
Yup. I do it at least once a year. Sometimes twice if i suspect a rootkit or something has been snuck in.
Copy all your music or whatever you want to save to an external HD or disks, then reformat the entire thing and reinstall the OS. Can be done in a couple hours, and if you have a fast internet connection you can have all your games and programs redownloaded by nightfall.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2010.10.30 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust 2.8GHz CPU (single-core; I herd Eve doesn't care about dual cores but its kind of an old processor) 4GB RAM GeForce 8500 GT 512mb Windows XP
This is actually a decent system and you should be able to get good game play on it. On one of my home systems
3 GHz, dual core 2 GB RAM GeForce 9800 GT, 512 MB Windows XP
then I'm able to easily multi-box 3 clients. The two things I can think of that even if the Python part of the EVE client is single process then EVE and the operating system can make great use of a multi-core system.
Otherwise I would suspect some hardware problem, an operating system problem, antivirus software, out-of-date video drivers.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.10.30 17:20:00 -
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Running an old (almost ancient) 7300GT 128Mb DDR3 here, no issues whatsoever runnnig EVE. All graphics sets to low, medium texture. So graphic's not your bottleneck.
I highly doubt the CPU is an issue, so what's left is your HDD/OS. |
Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.30 17:48:00 -
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i have a dual core amd 3hgz with 4gb ddr2 ram and the same gcard 8500gt 512mb and i can multibox 4 clients with no problems on vista 64bit
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Samuel Miner
Caldari Perilous Expedition
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Posted - 2010.10.30 17:59:00 -
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i am running eve on a core i7, 6g ddr3, 470gtx, 120g ssd and i dun have problems so i dunno wut ur problem is dood
sadface
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.30 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 30/10/2010 18:24:15 This thread is now for posting your system specs.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.30 18:25:00 -
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Windows XP is the source of the problem.
Nah j/k your hardware is outdated.
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Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Minmatar The Lunatic Collective Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.10.30 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 30/10/2010 17:03:35
Originally by: Running missions i would reinstall windows XP. its healthy to reinstall your OS every 2 years or so
Yup. I do it at least once a year. Sometimes twice if i suspect a rootkit or something has been snuck in.
Copy all your music or whatever you want to save to an external HD or disks, then reformat the entire thing and reinstall the OS. Can be done in a couple hours, and if you have a fast internet connection you can have all your games and programs redownloaded by nightfall.
I have multiple hard drive in my rig. I run a small fast one with only the windows OS on it. the have a second for all my personal files primary programs. A third for games, and a fourth for music and movies. When I need to reinstall windows I only need to reformat the one drive with only windows on it. I actually have a back up image created after a fresh install that is nice and clean. reformate and restore that and good to go for another 6 months.
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Atkyaz Dreadstalker
Minmatar The Lunatic Collective Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.10.30 18:42:00 -
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following the trend. My system specs; AMD phenom II X6 @ 3.2 GHz liquid cooled 8 Gig DDR2 ram 250 gig raptor HD 2 x 500 Gig HD's 1 x 1TB HD madmax DVD drive EVGA GTX 470 1 GB graphics card 850 watt PSU in a HAF 932 case.
It will run pretty much any game at max settings with good framerates.
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Br41n
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.10.30 19:47:00 -
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where did you buy it? i want one that sucks in case the wife refuses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Muul Udonii
Minmatar THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.30 19:51:00 -
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Ctrl Alt Del and view your system monitor
Run eve in a window, and see if anything maxes. If it does, that's the bottleneck.
If it doesn't, it'll be something not reported (so not CPU / Memory).
Someone suggested defragging - that's a good idea.
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Blank Process
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Posted - 2010.10.30 19:55:00 -
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Also, check your machine physically. Clean and working fans are your friends!
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Ascendic
Lyonesse.
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 30/10/2010 20:09:03 Confirming this is a post to stroke my pcepeen
Athlon Phenom II 955 Black @ 4.0Ghz Custom liquid cooled 8GB OCZ REAPER DDR3 1600MhZ Custom Liquid cooled 3x 250GB WD Caviar SE16 HDD RAID 0 2x WD Caviar Black 1.0 TB SATA 3 HDD ATI Radeon 5970 @ 950Mhz Core 1150Mhz GDDR5 Custom Liquid cooled Auzentech HTHD PCIe Soundcard Asus Crosshair III Formula Mobo Custom Liquid cooled OCZ Z1000W Gold PSU 3x LG W2486L 24" LED monitors w/ Eyefinity @ 5760x1080 Resolution
Liquid cooling is custom built internal / external hybrid system with dual pump and dual radiators with Delta 265CFM fans to cool - Yes my pc sounds a bit like a jet engine when it starts up, that just makes it more awesome
Plays EVE at 5760x1080 resoultion max settings w/ 4xSSAA
Also plays Crysis at max settings with 4xSSAA - Yea thats right b!tches ;)
/pceepeenstroke
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Kokura Nin
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Posted - 2010.10.30 20:53:00 -
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As has been said b4. Clogged up windows probably, backup everything you need and do a clean install.
Make sure all your fans/heatsinks are clean, clean them with the PC OFF.
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Roy Orbinson
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Posted - 2010.10.30 21:00:00 -
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This sounds exactly like a problem I had once.
I took my cpu fan off, cleaned it out and voila, good as new.
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.30 21:59:00 -
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This is what I run and was getting dropped daily about 5-6 times then i switched from Cox Highspeed to Qwest fiber optic and have only dropped client twice in 4 months....Here is my rig
ASUS G72Gx-A1 Republic of Gamers Intel Q9000 Core 2 Quad Processor 2.00GHz 6GB of DDR2 RAM, 3 slots, 6GB Max 1 TB SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM); BlueRay Disk Combo Drive NVidia GTX 260M Graphics with 1GB DDR3 VRAM; Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit) Operating System 17.3-Inch Full HD LCD Display; 2.0M Webcam;
Check your ISP it might be the problem
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