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viper09
vipers bastards
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Posted - 2010.11.11 22:02:00 -
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actaully skex if you look at my posts its about ppl who start a pvp corp get decd then leave that **** me off i dont dec indy corps unless its for a valid reason and if they stay docked thats part of war. i just dont like having a war adn the pvp corp then promptly disbands
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.12 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain Perhaps 1x/month you could do a 1 week war dec that would make everyone in the corp you dec a valid target for that week even if they switch corps. It would be a sort of special war dec.
I don't war dec industrial corps. But I do think it would be good if industry could really be effected by war decs - at least some what. I think it would add to the game if industrial corps started paying pvp corps to target their competitors. It would make for a richer game environment.
In my first 3 months of playing Eve, my indy corp was dec'd 4 times for 5 weeks. In those weeks I was unable to mine or mission for any length of time and when I tried to do so some 14 jumps from my home station, the enemy used a locator and found me within 4 hours. The result was a destroyed covetor and a hauler. So, considering that we spent about 40% of my time under war decs, how can you say we were not affected? I'm sorry but that is complete BS. This thread alone has 3 pages of discussion with all of the reasons why you cannot make someone fight against their will and you respond by again suggesting a mechanic change to get CCP to let Griefers hunt noobs and indies. I'll type this slowly so that maybe it will be understood. I did not agree to pay 15 a month in this game so that I could be a killmail for a griefer. You want to kill me, you are going to have to work for it.
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Tactical Miner
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.12 02:33:00 -
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This topic has come up before.
IIRC (cannot find the link) players may dissolve and reform their corporation to avoid a war dec as many times as they wish.
You cannot use alts to form dummy corporations to jack up the cost of a war dec.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.11.12 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain ...I do think it would be good if industry could really be effected by war decs - at least some what...
If a corp has (one or more) POS and everyone drops corp when they're decced, that could have a serious impact on their industry, no? When the deccing corp finds that POS (probably already did, and that's the reason the corp in question received the dec) and makes it into bits and plasma. Maybe it would be a yardstick that deccers could use to see if the "carebears" have any gumption.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: viper09 actaully skex if you look at my posts its about ppl who start a pvp corp get decd then leave that **** me off i dont dec indy corps unless its for a valid reason and if they stay docked thats part of war. i just dont like having a war adn the pvp corp then promptly disbands
Just means that the Corp you decced were more fail than you.
Also you being mad at about a certain behavior doesn't justify changing the mechanic in a way that would affect far more than type of player you are mad at.
You dislike PVP corps that disband when you dec them. I dislike PVP corps would won't engage unless that have 3x the number of neutral support ships than they have combat ships.
Doesn't mean they should be forced to fight my way just means I have to adapt to their tactics.
You dec a PVP corp and they disband. Great you won what call them a bunch of yellow bellied felines and move on to the next one.
I mean you're out a couple million isk in most cases. Yeah that's a real frigging hardship.
This game is overflowing with blow hards who talk a mean game then fold up the first time they are faced with adversity. Doesn't mean that we should change the game in a way that would punish every other player to accommodate a few players who can't figure out how to pop those windbags.
If someone really ****es you off that much then stop being such a wuss and suicide gank them.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.11.12 14:34:00 -
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I really don't care either way. I haven't war decced an industrial corp nor have I ever joined an industrial corp. Yes your own industrial corp may be disrupted but other industrial corps will as well - so the prices would go up. But I'm not really sure if this would shake out to be good for the game or bad.
If the consensus of the industrial corps is that this would be a bad idea, then its likely a bad idea. -Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Talon Reese
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:02:00 -
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Dear people who are ****ed they have trouble wardeccing carebears,
Feel free to come to null-sec. You will have no problem finding plenty of pew-pew. However, we are ready to fight and have ships with actual weapons on them, so its less like the shooting defenseless fish in a barrel style you (censored) seem to need to make yourselves feel empowered. So quit whining and fight people who might want to fight, or are at least people willing to risk it to make some ISK. Not everyone has to play Eve your way. Feel free to wardec TEST, we have plenty of noobs who will be more than happy to share some killmails.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente GHF Corperation
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Posted - 2010.11.12 20:09:00 -
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Good lord Joe. What indy corp do you belong to that you get decced 4x in 5 weeks. That's unheard of even for carebears. Did you **** someone off?
Originally by: Joe McAlt
Originally by: Cearain Perhaps 1x/month you could do a 1 week war dec that would make everyone in the corp you dec a valid target for that week even if they switch corps. It would be a sort of special war dec.
I don't war dec industrial corps. But I do think it would be good if industry could really be effected by war decs - at least some what. I think it would add to the game if industrial corps started paying pvp corps to target their competitors. It would make for a richer game environment.
In my first 3 months of playing Eve, my indy corp was dec'd 4 times for 5 weeks. In those weeks I was unable to mine or mission for any length of time and when I tried to do so some 14 jumps from my home station, the enemy used a locator and found me within 4 hours. The result was a destroyed covetor and a hauler. So, considering that we spent about 40% of my time under war decs, how can you say we were not affected? I'm sorry but that is complete BS. This thread alone has 3 pages of discussion with all of the reasons why you cannot make someone fight against their will and you respond by again suggesting a mechanic change to get CCP to let Griefers hunt noobs and indies. I'll type this slowly so that maybe it will be understood. I did not agree to pay 15 a month in this game so that I could be a killmail for a griefer. You want to kill me, you are going to have to work for it.
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.11.12 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Reese Dear people who are ****ed they have trouble wardeccing carebears,
Feel free to come to null-sec. You will have no problem finding plenty of pew-pew. However, we are ready to fight and have ships with actual weapons on them, so its less like the shooting defenseless fish in a barrel style you (censored) seem to need to make yourselves feel empowered. So quit whining and fight people who might want to fight, or are at least people willing to risk it to make some ISK.
This.
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2010.11.12 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deen Wispa Good lord Joe. What indy corp do you belong to that you get decced 4x in 5 weeks. That's unheard of even for carebears. Did you **** someone off?
Originally by: Joe McAlt
Originally by: Cearain Perhaps 1x/month you could do a 1 week war dec that would make everyone in the corp you dec a valid target for that week even if they switch corps. It would be a sort of special war dec.
I don't war dec industrial corps. But I do think it would be good if industry could really be effected by war decs - at least some what. I think it would add to the game if industrial corps started paying pvp corps to target their competitors. It would make for a richer game environment.
In my first 3 months of playing Eve, my indy corp was dec'd 4 times for 5 weeks. In those weeks I was unable to mine or mission for any length of time and when I tried to do so some 14 jumps from my home station, the enemy used a locator and found me within 4 hours. The result was a destroyed covetor and a hauler. So, considering that we spent about 40% of my time under war decs, how can you say we were not affected? I'm sorry but that is complete BS. This thread alone has 3 pages of discussion with all of the reasons why you cannot make someone fight against their will and you respond by again suggesting a mechanic change to get CCP to let Griefers hunt noobs and indies. I'll type this slowly so that maybe it will be understood. I did not agree to pay 15 a month in this game so that I could be a killmail for a griefer. You want to kill me, you are going to have to work for it.
Actually it was 4 times, one of which was a two week dec, over my first 3 months. The first dec was because of a personal dispute, but the rest were just randome decs by pvp corps looking for easy killmails and ransomes. By the way, we paid on the 3rd and were let out of the war. Then again, we were deced 3 days later by yet another pvp corp....
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Mobile Alcohol Processing Units Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.13 14:17:00 -
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Don't evade it; they paid good money to get a wardec going so make sure they get their money's worth ____________________
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Tawnia Baker
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Posted - 2010.11.16 02:01:00 -
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Ah yes the old PRoblem.
Since some DAys my only Mining corp has nearly the same problem, wardec by some sort of polish highsec wannabe pvplers. We have 5 Memebers they have aroudn 60 in her corp. Yep and first day they really tried to attack us, attacked the pos lost one of there BS and run away, during the next day nothing happens cause they got some hard hits by another corp who help us, now we are in a alliance and again nothing happens anymore.
So it seems that this are the typicall highsec wannabe pvplers wardeccing a random non pvp corp for some easy kills.
So can anyone Explain me why people do this? Ok eve is also PVP but not ONLY PVP, so why PVP corps dont move to low sec or 0 sec if they wanna do PVP matches? Sure a wardec can happen, but i dotn think that the idea behind the wardec system was that pvp corps can start deccing corps randomly only to stop other people from enjoy eve, cause thats what happen , 1 of my members dont have the needed skills to fly a good slottet BS so he sits inside the station or the pos shield and waits for nothing cause he know if he would be found by one fo this wannabe pvp corp players he dont have any chance to survive.
In this Thread i read always "its not fair that they dont fight" and "its PVP so why should we respect that some people dont wanna fight", so just a question to this people, why you dont search someone who 1 Wanna fight and 2 is equal to you? or could it be that you know that if you wardec a real pvp corp your woudl loos everything cause you are only some sort of wannabe who can only win if the enemy cant shoot back?
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MisterNick
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:15:00 -
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I personally don't see any problems with the current mechanics of the wardec system, even though it's been something of a pain in the ar5e for me lately. My corp has been in various wars ever since I joined, and frankly it's not done my killboard any favours.... but hey, when you're new, you get owned a lot, I can accept that.
Now if only we could sort out a griefer that has an obsession with one of our lads, we'd be golden haha
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Deen Wispa
Gallente GHF Corperation
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Posted - 2010.11.18 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tawnia Baker wondering the same thing that everyone else is wondering which is why pvpers don't take on real pvpers
pretty simple really.
a) they're risk averse b) it's eve
you get these types in any game. in truth, most of these guys hurt themselves because they never really challenge themselves to go beyond their comfort zone. probably the same guys who are at the bar but never have the guts to talk to the pretty girl. but hey, it's life, what can you do.
best way for indy corps to avoid the issue is get into an alliance. otherwise, you'll always get picked on. -----------------
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MrSharku
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Posted - 2010.11.18 09:23:00 -
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So it seems to me that the common concensus, at least among the PvP crowd is that ALL of Eve is their playground and those of us who have never cared for PvP just have to suck it up and live with it.
As has been pointed out already, if Eve is ONLY PvP, why are there ships that can't fight? Why is there even a division between low & high sec? Why have mining and research and exploration? Why are there literally THOUSANDS of Agents offering PvE missions?
As has been pointed out: Why don't those who want to PvP go where the action is? It's so much easier to Kill those who's game is geared towards Industry & Missions. I don't like PvP, Never have. Now maybe to you who think PvP is the ONLY way to play, I'm a Carebear or a coward or any of a hundred other excuses. The plain truth is that myself, my brother, and thousands of other players just don't want to play that way. If we did, we'd be in the areas where other players are who also like that kind of play. We wouldn't be investing our training time gaining skills to drive a big Miner or large transport ship.
The fact that some Shiessekoph can declare war on my corporation and I have to chance losing a ship that I've spent a ton of money on is BS. I don't care what the Hardcore PvP'ers or the Griefers say, that's what it is.
Personally it should be a simple matter. You declare war. If my Corp don't want to war, then we have 24 hours to decline. Then you can spend your Isk finding other Corps that DO want to war.
It's also a simple matter of economics. If I can't play the game, in High Sec, in the manner I wish, then I will just close my accounts and go elsewhere. And Eve should post a big banner on their homepage saying PVP ONLY! Then those of us who don't want to, won't waste our money trying this game. But they won't do that because they realize (hopefully) that not everyone is a PvP player.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.11.18 10:08:00 -
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mh seems to be a legal reason for me to leave a corp. It would be kinda one sided if you could not evade a crappy emp war.
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lord Goa'uld
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Posted - 2010.11.18 13:20:00 -
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well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
its a open sandbox.. you can do whatever you want !
the reason you hear that so often is because pvp folks whine an cry more than carebears...
my main is an industry toon in high sec but i also have a alt in 0.0
truth is if you get war decced do whatever you want,drop corp ,corp hop or stay docked... make sure to rub it in their face also...
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.18 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: lord Goa'uld well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.19 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
Originally by: lord Goa'uld well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
OH brilliant. You do understand that mission rewards bounties and insurance are the only ways that isk actually enter the economy and non of them require pvp to function.
In fact there no pvp activities that actually generate isk.
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lord Goa'uld
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Posted - 2010.11.19 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
Originally by: lord Goa'uld well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
LOL what an idiot.....
what about...
research manufacturing PI mining logistics all the mission types
and then you have pvp
so pvp is roughly 1 aspect out of 7 ?
since all you know is pvp i will do the math for you.. pvp= 14% of game content
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lord Goa'uld
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Posted - 2010.11.19 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
also npc bounties have nothing to do with pvp....
thats pve
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Vex Morga
Minmatar Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2010.11.19 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: lord Goa'uld
Originally by: heheheh
Originally by: lord Goa'uld well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
LOL what an idiot.....
what about...
research manufacturing PI mining logistics all the mission types
and then you have pvp
so pvp is roughly 1 aspect out of 7 ?
since all you know is pvp i will do the math for you.. pvp= 14% of game content
research manufacturing PI
all of these are forms of pvp, you are in competition with other players to make a profit. Every sale you make is at the expense of your rivals.
mining your competing with every other miner for a share of the better ores.
logistics I'm assuming your not talking about the ship class. Moving goods to other markets for profit? Supplying other plays/corps with ships and weapons. Its all pvp.
all the mission types you might think this affects no-one else and thus can't be pvp in any guise. Your wrong.. every mission you complete gives you lp every point of lp you have and use devalues the lp of every other player running for that corp.
Exploration? Not on your list but i'll address it anyway... its pvp, its a limited resource your competing with other players for.
Stop thinking of pvp as only ship to ship combat, Eve is a pvp game in the very real sense of the word.
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lord Goa'uld
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Posted - 2010.11.19 19:03:00 -
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I disagree...
If you think all market activities and industry are PVP then you have failed at EVE and at life....
do you think marriage and family is PVP as well ? how about work ? church ?
its a game.. you should do whatever makes you happy.. its only PVP if you listen to stupid people and follow the crowd....
the world already has enough lemmings..
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.20 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: lord Goa'uld
Originally by: heheheh
Originally by: lord Goa'uld well only an idiot would say EVE is a pvp game.....
Only an idiot would say its not, yes its a sandbox but pvp is heavily involved. The only ISK that can be made without PVP is mission rewards and npc bounties, every other activity requires PVP of some sort.
LOL what an idiot.....
what about...
research manufacturing PI mining logistics all the mission types
and then you have pvp
so pvp is roughly 1 aspect out of 7 ?
since all you know is pvp i will do the math for you.. pvp= 14% of game content
None of those generate isk.
All those are in some form or another trade income.
The only isk faucets in the game are mission rewards, bounties and insurance.
That's it. Everything else is just moving isk around from account to account.
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umah
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Posted - 2010.11.22 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mucous Sorry probably been asked a million times, just can't find the answer.
How many times can a corp switch corps to evade a war declare. Seems to me there use to be a rule against, but I could be wishing or wrong.
Specifically I have a group of guys that if you look at their corp history they have left and rejoined the same corp every week since Aug. Thanks.
Working as intended
All the other trolls have already been looked at and rejected when this was "fixed" loooong ago.
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