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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:32:00 -
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Manssell wrote:Lady Whipcrack wrote:
EDIT: A common response is 'pay more for moar targetz lulz'. This is a fatally flawed argument:
1) Large 0.0 entities don't hang out much in highsec - so you're not paying for more targets. You'll get more targets griefing a mid-sized empire mining corp for a lot less money if all you care about are number of targets. But that brings us nicely onto...
2) War declarations are used for a wide range of reasons - to destroy highsec POS, to avoid security hits in lowsec, for revenge, etc. Assuming the same reason for everyone ('lulz they just want moar targets') is lazy and, in many cases, simply wrong.
3) The same war should not be vastly cheaper for a larger entity to initiate. That is quite obviously ludicrous.
If you want a laugh, go back and read the initial thread on the wardec changes right after they went live (and even the ones before) you can see CCP use the same "you're paying for more targets" line when people complained about the cost to wardec large 0.0 groups. Yet if you keep reading when people stated complaining about small corps getting stuck in a perpetual cheap war (form a large groups perspective) and getting curb stomped, CCPs' response was that it's not something you should worry about since there's really not that many 0.0 pilots in hi-sec. So yea, your paying for more targets, but don't worry about getting curb stomped since there's really not that many targets? Yeah the "New and Improved" war dec system really needs to be thrown in the trash its a lot worse than the old system ever was. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:25:00 -
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There is no shortage of nullsec entities which will happily let you join and shoot at us for free. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
19
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Posted - 2012.08.28 18:38:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Statistically speaking, the chances of a fight are no where near identical. The five man corp can effortlessly find targets while the 500 man corp has to start a coordinated operation just to find one target.
You're more likely to find targets if you wardec a 30 man empire corp, than a 500 man 0.0 alliance. There is no relation between the size of an entity, and how likely you are to find them in empire. What matters is where they live.
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.08.28 19:10:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Statistically speaking, the chances of a fight are no where near identical. The five man corp can effortlessly find targets while the 500 man corp has to start a coordinated operation just to find one target.
You're more likely to find targets if you wardec a 30 man empire corp, than a 500 man 0.0 alliance. There is no relation between the size of an entity, and how likely you are to find them in empire. What matters is where they live.
No, they still come to empire space. If they are 500 people, you are more likely to find one of them on their trip to empire space. If they are 5 people, you have a good chance of not only not finding one, but of finding a time when NONE of them are logged in. I am sorry you don't see that the statistics are not the same, but they are not. And thus your argument that the chance of a fight is identical for either side is just wrong. |
Lord Zim
1176
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Posted - 2012.08.28 19:15:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:No, they still come to empire space. Only the dumb come to empire. Non-******** people just use a hisec alt. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.08.28 23:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:No, they still come to empire space. Only the dumb come to empire. Non-******** people just use a hisec alt. Which then makes declaring a war a complete waste of money, you aren't buying any targets at all that aren't free to shoot anyway.
Oh, yeah, and I'd like to confirm that there are no dumb people in EVE. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2012.08.28 23:50:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:
he's a simple suggestion: the cost of wardecs should be based on the size of the corporation/alliance making the declaration, not the alliance you are wardeccing... if you want 8000 people to have a license to gank in empire, pay more for it... surely that makes vastly more sense than the current system and allows cost to scale with affordablity more pragmatically
If I'm being totally honest, I'd say this actually makes more sense than the current system.
But at the same time, it's not like we're not already at war with like 90% of EVE already. Why not join one of the guys we're currently decced with?
They may have made it harder for small corps to dec large alliances, but they seem to have made it even easier for that same corp to join someone already at war.
So, an answer? No, it doesn't really seem to make much sense, but they made it even cheaper and easier for you to go to war with large alliances by piggybacking on an already existing war dec.
However, at the same time, there's something about the idea that it shouldn't be easy for every Tom, ****, and Harry to just go to war with any large corporation they want. If you're a really small entity it seems like it makes sense that your entry into war should be harder than a larger entity. It has a kind of air of realism that a 5 man corp would have some hurdle of entry into a war with a huge block.
I guess it's the EVE equivilent of the Taliban declaring War on the western world. It's not like they have the assets to engage in a full on war with the west, so they join up with someone currently at odds with the west and blow **** up here and there to **** people off enough to get the western world to declare war on them.
EVE handles it by charging more ISK for more targets. |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
19
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:56:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
No, they still come to empire space. If they are 500 people, you are more likely to find one of them on their trip to empire space. If they are 5 people, you have a good chance of not only not finding one, but of finding a time when NONE of them are logged in. I am sorry you don't see that the statistics are not the same, but they are not. And thus your argument that the chance of a fight is identical for either side is just wrong.
It's a simple truth that you're more likely to find targets from an entity that is actually based in empire, all things considered, than one which is 0.0 based and uses out-of-alliance hauling alts.
Ergo: size of the entity is not an indication of how likely you are to find them in empire. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:01:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Please tell me how this new wardec system is supposed to be 'better'?
Better? Who said it's supposed to be better?
It's total ****, but what do you expect when it appears the large corps are calling the shots. CSMs anyone?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1545
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:20:00 -
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npc corp members mad that large alliances can't be wardec'd
lol |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1305
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:25:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:npc corp members mad that large alliances can't be wardec'd
lol Odd, eh. I mean by that logic, we should be ... well you know. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Too-Boku
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:35:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:npc corp members mad that large alliances can't be wardec'd
lol
NPC corp member fury has been building as of late..I recommend anger management classes |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
244
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:59:00 -
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Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? "CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1545
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:08:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? Why would we? Posting behind an NPC corp alt is an act of shame |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1308
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:14:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? Why would we? Posting behind an NPC corp alt is an act of shame We happily use our main.
Maybe some pets are scared to, but that's life under a master... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lord Zim
1334
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:14:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? Why would we? Posting behind an NPC corp alt is an act of shame Because some alliances have a weird "don't post on eve-o forums" rule. vOv |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
165
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:18:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:But at the same time, it's not like we're not already at war with like 90% of EVE already. Why not join one of the guys we're currently decced with? Because nobody is wardeccing you at the moment ? 500m/week is 2B/month. It's not much, but a small corp cannot sustain it for long. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1545
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:25:00 -
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500m that's like 2 tier3 battleships right?
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
8
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:46:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:500m that's like 2 tier3 battleships right?
yes
Personally, I would like to have something more for my wardecs. Like being able to lock myself and my opponents out of a station. Or being able to find their POS. I mean that would make the wardecs more useful. As opposed to just having some one outside ramming the police because the targets wont come out and die. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
77
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:57:00 -
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Is this thread still going?
Wow. |
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:32:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:npc corp members mad that large alliances can't be wardec'd
lol
lol, same old **** arguments from the so called hardcore PvPers.
NPC alt post with your main, why? Makes no difference.
This is a played character, but it's a market trader character and as such there's no benefit to joining a player corp/alliance and why bother anyway because over 50% of them are **** anyway.
But I have other characters and I have been in player corps even one corp/alliance in 0.0. So it's still an interest to me how the war-dec system works.
How many people have alts in NPC corps that have characters in low-sec sec or NPC corps, oh of course that's right none (sarcasm, i'll add that just incase you did not get it). |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
646
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:37:00 -
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I don't think anybody here has exactly explained why it should be cheap to wardec Goonswarm (or for that matter why you should be able to wardec them at all).
It's not as if you can't shoot at them for free.
Every time I get a "x has declared war on RAZOR Alliance" I laugh and delete the evemail. We seriously don't care because it doesn't affect us for the most part. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
162
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Posted - 2012.09.08 22:47:00 -
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Pay (much less) one of their current targets to bring you in on the war? |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
159
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Posted - 2012.09.08 23:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think anybody here has exactly explained why it should be cheap to wardec Goonswarm (or for that matter why you should be able to wardec them at all).
It's not as if you can't shoot at them for free.
Every time I get a "x has declared war on RAZOR Alliance" I laugh and delete the evemail. We seriously don't care because it doesn't affect us for the most part.
But that only works in null...
The poor frightened corporation can't be expected to declare war on you, then go to null...
No, they need to declare war on you, and fight it in highsec...because null is too dangerous...
They think "We should be able to declare war, and it shouldn't be too dangerous." James315 for CSM 8! |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
19
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Posted - 2012.09.09 10:10:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think anybody here has exactly explained why it should be cheap to wardec Goonswarm (or for that matter why you should be able to wardec them at all).
It doesn't have to be 'cheap', but it should be fair and logical -- it should cost the same for a small corp to wardec Goonswarm, as it costs Goonswarm to wardec the same corp. (replace 'Goonswarm' with any sizeable entity - the logic remains)
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baltec1
Bat Country
2098
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Posted - 2012.09.09 10:17:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:
lol, same old **** arguments from the so called hardcore PvPers.
NPC alt post with your main, why? Makes no difference.
If it makes no difference why hide? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
816
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:21:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think anybody here has exactly explained why it should be cheap to wardec Goonswarm (or for that matter why you should be able to wardec them at all).
It doesn't have to be 'cheap', but it should be fair and logical -- it should cost the same for a small corp to wardec Goonswarm, as it costs Goonswarm to wardec the same corp. (replace 'Goonswarm' with any sizeable entity - the logic remains) Well we would not want one of the larger alliances whining on the forums and filling them with crap, now would we?
Oh wait a minute..... Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1343
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:24:00 -
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Effect of wardecs on GSF: 1) one or two complete idiots dying. 2) evemail spam
Fucks given: 0 |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
816
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:49:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Effect of wardecs on GSF: 1) one or two complete idiots dying. 2) evemail spam
Fucks given: 0 Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord.
Goonswarm killed 12,986,988,614 isk 98 ships
The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists) 47,632,963,261 isk 844 ships
So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war. A lot of spam was given
As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0.
So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1343
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:52:00 -
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So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? |
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