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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2012.09.09 12:00:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Yes, because major Alliances don't use 100's of NPC alts to post here...right? Right? Why would we? Posting behind an NPC corp alt is an act of shame Because some alliances have a weird "don't post on eve-o forums" rule. vOv
Some even fine their members for posting in local, some others ask you to have all your assets in their main station and then tell you corp leader to kick you or it's literally the corp who is kicked and believe me they know how to make sort you loose at least a good half of your assets while leaving.
So since Eve has the most mature community (lol), with such a quality posting in GD and so little paranoia/grieffing I really can't see the reason why someone would not post with his main.
Indeed, EvE community at their top maturity level
Fake edit: ho and if you disagree with me you can always bring you samurai code and katana or your 45 we'll set this like real men at the sunset, mkay? brb |
Lord Zim
1343
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Posted - 2012.09.09 12:03:00 -
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Alliances or corps with such policies needs to be purged from EVE. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:05:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Effect of wardecs on GSF: 1) one or two complete idiots dying. 2) evemail spam
Fucks given: 0 Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord. Goonswarm killed 12,986,988,614 isk 98 ships The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists) 47,632,963,261 isk 844 ships So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war. A lot of spam was given As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0. So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm.
Oh boy they killed 844 ships of morons who shouldn't have been in highsec in the first place (because it's literally garbage). |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
818
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:22:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Effect of wardecs on GSF: 1) one or two complete idiots dying. 2) evemail spam
Fucks given: 0 Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord. Goonswarm killed 12,986,988,614 isk 98 ships The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists) 47,632,963,261 isk 844 ships So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war. A lot of spam was given As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0. So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm. Oh boy they killed 844 ships of morons who shouldn't have been in highsec in the first place (because it's literally garbage). Hi sec has its uses, it is a good place for buying and selling stuff to peasants for instance. Oh and apparently a good play for Goonswarm members to hang out as i always see some when I am traveling though. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
818
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members.
Like I have said on many threads just because you repeat things a lot does not make them true. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ashrik Tyr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Effect of wardecs on GSF: 1) one or two complete idiots dying. 2) evemail spam
Fucks given: 0 Goonwswarm federation vs The Honda Accord. Goonswarm killed 12,986,988,614 isk 98 ships The Honda Accord (A bunch of industrialists) 47,632,963,261 isk 844 ships So those one or two idiots died an awful lot in that war. A lot of spam was given As to the last well I think the total was a lot more than 0. So it would seem the effects of war decs are more than nothing to Goonswarm. ITT, a bunch of people pretend that they don't simply want easy ganks on lone dumb members of large nullsec alliances.
Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members. Like I have said on many threads just because you repeat things a lot does not make them true. Any number above zero would have been just as salient. So I'm not sure how important your point is. |
Lord Zim
1344
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members. They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:45:00 -
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No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
820
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members. They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade. Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So you're Jade today? What's next, "it's a blight on your war record" and "you're so embarassed you whined to CCP to get the mechanics changed"? No just pointing out that wars do effect Goonswarm members. They have an effect on dumb fucks, yes. For anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing ******, however, the effects are ... well, evemail spam. Pretending that the effects go beyond that is just to emulate Jade. Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs.
Oh no not thousands of ships.
Good thing we don't take part in wars in nullsec in which we lose thousands of ships in a day or less than a week for months on end. |
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Lord Zim
1346
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Well you must have a hell of a lot of mouth breathers in Goonswarm. You have lost thousands of ships to war decs. Is water wet? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1318
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:50:00 -
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Haquer wrote:Oh no not thousands of ships.
Good thing we don't take part in wars in nullsec in which we lose thousands of ships in a day or less than a week for months on end. It's like someone thought we live in highsec where all the "elite pvp" is. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ghazu
138
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:37:00 -
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small corps penalised by the wardec system because you scrubs are not worth the trouble. |
Ben Youssef Noban
Sons of the Prophet
6
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Posted - 2012.09.09 17:32:00 -
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Is Goonswarm at war with anyone since the war changes?
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Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
19
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:06:00 -
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Haquer wrote:No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec.
Precisely why NPC corp members should not be allowed to use freighters or, indeed, anything larger than a BC. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1816
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:16:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Haquer wrote:No guys, clearly 99% of us don't do logistics with neutral alts, especially when hauling alliance moongoo through highsec. Precisely why NPC corp members should not be allowed to use freighters or, indeed, anything larger than a BC. No, don't even think about it...
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1708
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:17:00 -
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ban npc corps |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1816
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:28:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:ban npc corps So basicly you want to force new players like myself into (random?) player corps that might not be right for us, which will likely lead to many more potential subscribers quitting before they even get started? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
GX307
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:34:00 -
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Keep cost by size but make it a mashup of all involved.
W = small 10 man corp 1 X = small 20 man corp 2 Y = gigantic 5000 man alliance 1
Z = cost of wardec = sum of all involved
So if 2 small corps want to wardec Z is small. If Gigantilliance wants to wardec Z is large etc etc.
Its not perfect but at least its not so binarily lopsided in favor of the larger.
I'm sure there are some other permutations that could work too, I keep thinking that wardec allies could increase the total but there could be a decreased ratio based on the totals of either side.
Not sure, not going to spend much more time thinking about it, just throwing it out there for discussion.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1708
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:37:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:ban npc corps So basicly you want to force new players like myself into (random?) player corps that might not be right for us, which will likely lead to many more potential subscribers quitting before they even get started? No, merely make it once an age/SP threshhold has been passed, you can be wardecced as an individual. You'd be a 'freelancer' beholden to noone, like in Firefly for example. You'd be choosing personal initiative and mobility over protection as part of a larger group. You can keep the NPC corp channel and all, just lose the NPC corp wardec immunity.
Also, people getting bored after never leaving their NPC starting corp and quitting is the greatest source of player loss in EVE, which is why CCP openly advertises groups like RvB and EVE Uni since they are proven retainers of newbie player subs.
Ban NPC corps. |
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1823
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:42:00 -
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Being able to wardec an individual vs entire corporations sounds a little grieferish. I don't want entire corporations hunting me like that. Hell for me atleast having that kind of mechanic in place would instantly kill ANY desire to socialize at all. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1709
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:58:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Being able to wardec an individual vs entire corporations sounds a little grieferish. I don't want entire corporations hunting me like that. Hell for me atleast having that kind of mechanic in place would instantly kill ANY desire to socialize at all. You have to ask yourself, why would anyone wardec a 17-day old newbie when they could be wardeccing the 6 year old PVE alt zipping around highsec in their pimp ship unprotected? With NPC corps being permanently undeccable, the old PVE alts are safe and the newbies who want to try being part of a player corp but can't defend themselves soak up all the griefing.
Also, with newbie ships (frigates, cruisers) EHP being so low, if anyone wanted to grief them they could just suicide gank them in catalysts one jump from the rookie systems, amirite? |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1828
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:06:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Being able to wardec an individual vs entire corporations sounds a little grieferish. I don't want entire corporations hunting me like that. Hell for me atleast having that kind of mechanic in place would instantly kill ANY desire to socialize at all. You have to ask yourself, why would anyone wardec a 17-day old newbie when they could be wardeccing the 6 year old PVE alt zipping around highsec in their pimp ship unprotected? Also, with newbie ships (frigates, cruisers) EHP being so low, if anyone wanted to grief them they could just suicide gank them in catalysts one jump from the rookie systems, amirite? I see your point but at the same time I feel like a lot of people who play this game are more than willing to take the easy risk free kill, it seems that the pvp demographic is not without it's share of carebears either. And with that in mind I really don't like the idea of a mechanic that would make griefing newbies that much easier, even if it is intended to be used against people who sit in the npc corps forever with their billion isk mission running pimp Tengu. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1712
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:38:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:I see your point but at the same time I feel like a lot of people who play this game are more than willing to take the easy risk free kill, it seems that the pvp demographic is not without it's share of carebears either. And with that in mind I really don't like the idea of a mechanic that would make griefing newbies that much easier, even if it is intended to be used against people who sit in the npc corps forever with their billion isk mission running pimp Tengu.
Wardec corps aren't big on risk, true. But what's so much riskier about jumping a AFK piloting jump freighter worth 10 bil at a stargate over a AFK piloting noobship? Same risk, but much greater profit with the former. So the established player is force to take actions to prevent himself from being such a juicy target, whether that's by bringing an escort, fighting back, carrying less on a trip, or downgrading his ship to not be so pimped out. In other words costs, or at least loss of potential profits.
This and other forms of non-consensual PVP keeps the old moneyed elite from investing all of their ISK into their ISK grinding activities and utterly flooding the player-driven economy with product that you, the newbie, have no way of keeping pace with. If I and my friends, having pimped multiboxed Mackinaw fleets with ganglinked Orcas giving out bonuses, we might lower the price of minerals with all of our output, but overall we'd make more money. But you in your mining frigate or retriever would be making less money then you would if we didn't do such a thing. Maybe you'd move up to the 'higher level' some day, but it would require more work for you to grind that isk then they did.
And I already agreed that there should be a 'grace' period for brand new players still doing the tutorial and such. |
Lord Zim
1478
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:42:00 -
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I run my hisec chars in 1 man corps, they haven't been griefed.
Then again, I don't run around with 20b loads in my freighter. |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
19
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:18:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Being able to wardec an individual vs entire corporations sounds a little grieferish. I don't want entire corporations hunting me like that. Hell for me atleast having that kind of mechanic in place would instantly kill ANY desire to socialize at all.
Provided you could only wardec an individual if they're over a certain age limit AND in an NPC corp, it could work pretty well and negate the issue of characters 'hiding' with impunity in NPC corps.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2476
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:34:00 -
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Lady Whipcrack wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Being able to wardec an individual vs entire corporations sounds a little grieferish. I don't want entire corporations hunting me like that. Hell for me atleast having that kind of mechanic in place would instantly kill ANY desire to socialize at all. Provided you could only wardec an individual if they're over a certain age limit AND in an NPC corp, it could work pretty well and negate the issue of characters 'hiding' with impunity in NPC corps. I would endorse this if said wardec was kept between individuals only and did not include either party's corpmates within the wardec, sort of a renewable for a substantial weekly isk rate kill right if you will. But I guess from a player corp's perspective that might take some of the fun out of it, although from an npc corp member's perspective it might add some survivability and a reason not to just stop playing. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Too-Boku
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.09.15 17:15:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:You have to ask yourself, why would anyone wardec a 17-day old newbie
17 day old newbies get wardec'd by running their mouth. |
Kelath Erebus
Galactic Imperium Galactic Industrial Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:41:00 -
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The reason CCP did this change is in their blog post: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=42269
To quote:
"The increased cost reflects the easier access to multiple targets. There have been some worries having the cost scale in this way creates incentive to declare war on small entities. Griefing on small entities is not rampant now, and with the cost increasing from 2 million to 50 million, there is no reason to assume griefing on small entities will increase with these changes."
I think your main question is answered with their first question, the reason it costs more to attack larger corporations/alliances is that CCP feels that you're paying for more targets.
They don't seem to have an issue with people attacking the smaller corps, because according to CCP greifing on small entities is not rampant and they don't think the increase of 2 million to 50 million isk is going to magically change that. |
Lady Whipcrack
The Monocled Elite
20
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Posted - 2012.09.25 17:42:00 -
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Kelath Erebus wrote: I think your main question is answered with their first question, the reason it costs more to attack larger corporations/alliances is that CCP feels that you're paying for more targets.
They don't seem to have an issue with people attacking the smaller corps, because according to CCP greifing on small entities is not rampant and they don't think the increase of 2 million to 50 million isk is going to magically change that.
The problems with these points have been discussed extensively within this thread. |
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