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Noir Nana
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Posted - 2010.11.01 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Noir Nana on 01/11/2010 19:22:31
I'm planning on running L4s in my Tengu using T2 Furies, and wondering, wondering whether a TP or a Webifier be more useful, more concerned with taking out Frigs.
edit: On a side note, wondering which other race of ships should I branch into that can semi benefit from my mainly Caldari ships/skills, though more importantly more useful for later PvP and cap ships (mainly carrier and logistics). Have some Amarr training.
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Chi'kote
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:02:00 -
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idk which of those 2 mods would be better, maybe the web. As far as cross training, I'd probably go minmatar. A lot of their ships are shield tankers, especially for pvp, and some use missiles as well as projectiles.
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m3talc0re X
Caldari
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:40:00 -
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Not sure about your tengu fit... but with mine, I didn't use either. I had a ccc, flare and rigor (all three t2) and those along with the 3% hardwires to help reduce sig/speed penalties and such, TP was useless. I used fury missiles on everything but frigs, and standard t1 missiles on frigs. They actually hit better than precisions :/
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:41:00 -
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Web.
yyy
tIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡`
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.v
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Chris Bailey
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:45:00 -
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Webifier module and target painting drones :-)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.01 21:02:00 -
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I just switch to t1 ammo to shoot frigs, constantly reloading gets annoying on missions with lots of triggers but most of the missions I run I can get away with only needing to change ammo a few times. GE is nice as just load t1 and kill the frigs as they are all triggers, WC is also nice because there are no respawns.
flying away so they mwd to try to catch up to you also works, as they get a nice sig bloom from it, but is less consistent.
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MIRKINZ
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: MIRKINZ on 01/11/2010 22:27:07
TP, TP, TP! Helps for everything non-BS sized substantially. Cant believe these people are suggesting webs for a missile boat? Why in the hell would a web EVER make you missiles hit any better unless the frig was going over 4k(like 9k with a missile offensive subsystem) makes no sense to me, mebbe a tiny bit to the explosion velocity, but nothing close to the sig radius bonus you get from a TP. Also, 9 of 10 times you can kill a frig before they are even in web range, hell like 5 of 'em, all the while TP'in them and makin zem pay for their wretched actions against the glorious amarr empire!! Long live CVA! Oh wait..
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.01 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 01/11/2010 23:25:29
Originally by: MIRKINZ
Why in the hell would a web EVER make you missiles hit any better unless the frig was going over 4k(like 9k with a missile offensive subsystem) makes no sense to me, mebbe a tiny bit to the explosion velocity, but nothing close to the sig radius bonus you get from a TP.
`because the 2.5+ boost to the sig:speed ratio a web provides is better than the 1.3+ boost a TP gives. Sure, the TP will increase your max damage potential, but you're not going to go near that potential anyway unless you fit a web.
yyy
tIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡`
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.v
y Karath Piki |
Noir Nana
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Posted - 2010.11.02 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Bailey
Webifier module and target painting drones :-)
Would be nice but too bad Tengus can't use any without sacrificing its missiles.
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Ceti Lomax
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
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Posted - 2010.11.02 12:22:00 -
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Install a warhead rigor catalyst, and use T1 scourge missiles. Don't bother with a webber or TP. The Tengu goes through frigs like a hot knife through butter. Only switch to the furies when all the frigs and cruisers are dead.
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Fugly duck
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Posted - 2010.11.02 13:22:00 -
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None, seriously do not need any, just go with the drone sub and get 5 T2 Hobbies on the field,
But if you insist on one or the other Go with a Phased TP,
reason being it will help a little even with cruiser class rats as well as frigs due to the range of the TP it also benefits you pretty much as soon as you warp into a mission again because of the range.
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Cpt Tackle
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Posted - 2010.11.02 18:33:00 -
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Some people in this thread seem to be under impression that TP only helps against targets that are smaller than missile explosion size. In other words, they think that the target signature size does not matter as long as it is larger than missile's explosion.
This is incorrect. Try this little experiment... take your favorite BC build, then swap MWD for AB and see if it takes more or less damage from heavy missiles.
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Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Floydy on 02/11/2010 19:26:02
Web? Are people serious?
Why the hell would you use a missile boat that can spew out death at 100km, and then fit a web with a fraction of that range? You should be killing stuff before it gets close to you! :p
Precision missiles + target painter + rigor rigs.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Floydy
Web? Are people serious?
Again, it provides a far larger bonus, and the only targets where a TP should be needed (once you have added in the skills and rigs) are the kinds that like to get close to you and which will die long before a TP cycle ends, so you'd just have lots of dead time where it makes no difference anyway, unlike that web.
`oh, and the kind of ranges where you'd be able to TP tons of targets before they get in range, it won't be 100% effective anyway.
yyy
tIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡`
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.v
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Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.02 20:58:00 -
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I was just thinking that with the range the Tengu has you should be destroying frigates (and anything else likely to benefit from a web) long before they got into web range.
Can't say I've ever seen anyone I know who flies Tengus using a Web.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.02 21:13:00 -
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That kind of assumes that frigates will kindly spawn out at 100km range. Quite often they won't. Both TPs and webs are highly situational, but for the situations where they fit, webs offer far better advantages.
In most cases, you won't need either one y I just find the situations where webs are useful far more common than when a TP would have made any significant difference.
yyy
tIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡`
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.v
y Karath Piki |
Ophelia McFoster
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Posted - 2010.11.03 11:47:00 -
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Basically just train a Hyena Alt...
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.03 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Orion GUardian on 03/11/2010 11:59:50
Its just the question of Range,
TP have a longer Range with less bonus, Web has a higher Bonus (penalty for the other guy) but less Range. Nothing more, nothing less.
But depending on teh Tengu FIT (rigs etc) you dont need a TP anyway
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