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Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:28:00 -
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Our corp are looking to move into a C5 system with C4 static, and I was just hoping to get an idea of how many vacant ones are out there.
If you live in a system that has a C5 static, how often to you come across C5 systems that are uninhabited?
Do you find them regularly, or hardly ever?
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kapolov
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:31:00 -
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There is a lot of empty C5's, a lot. If you where ready for C5 life in the slightest this is something you would already know. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:32:00 -
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If i had to guess based on my experiance, about 40% of all C5's are empty, 40% have a POS in them that's either dead or the owners are not active (10-40 man corporations) and then 20% are inhabited by active residents. www.wormholefundamentals.com Adhocracy Promo 2012 |
kapolov
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:33:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote:If i had to guess based on my experiance, about 40% of all C5's are empty, 40% have a POS in them that's either dead or the owners are not active (10-40 man corporations) and then 20% are inhabited by active residents.
Ohh your cute, who does your hair?
Clearly i need some work there.... |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:44:00 -
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kapolov wrote:Asayanami Dei wrote:If i had to guess based on my experiance, about 40% of all C5's are empty, 40% have a POS in them that's either dead or the owners are not active (10-40 man corporations) and then 20% are inhabited by active residents. Ohh your cute, who does your hair? Clearly i need some work there.... This guy that takes care of my clones in K-space, he does a pretty good job, you can find him at Amarr Emperor Family station.
Quote:Our corp are looking to move into a C5 system with C4 static, and I was just hoping to get an idea of how many vacant ones are out there.
If you live in a system that has a C5 static, how often to you come across C5 systems that are uninhabited?
Do you find them regularly, or hardly ever?
You can pretty much just make a list of C5's>C4's that have your preffered planet/moon layout and effect and then simply look for them. there's a good chance majority of them are empty and it's easy enough to find a specific system. For instance J123055, C5 magnetar with a C4 static is empty, you simply need to either scan C4's for a k162 to find it, or find a C5/C5 and chainroll the static untill you find it, or just straight up send 10 scounts into w-space. www.wormholefundamentals.com Adhocracy Promo 2012 |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:50:00 -
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kapolov wrote:There is a lot of empty C5's, a lot. If you where ready for C5 life in the slightest this is something you would already know.
We've lived in our C4 with C3 static for some time, now. Most of the C5 w/C4 static systems we see connected to our system are unsurprisingly occupied. |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:51:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote:If i had to guess based on my experiance, about 40% of all C5's are empty, 40% have a POS in them that's either dead or the owners are not active (10-40 man corporations) and then 20% are inhabited by active residents.
Awesome! |
kapolov
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:53:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote: This guy that takes care of my clones in K-space, he does a pretty good job, you can find him at Amarr Emperor Family station.
Ohh Amarr. No i only shop over at Rens with all the funky chicks. |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:54:00 -
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Asayanami Dei wrote:You can pretty much just make a list of C5's>C4's that have your preffered planet/moon layout and effect and then simply look for them. there's a good chance majority of them are empty and it's easy enough to find a specific system. For instance J123055, C5 magnetar with a C4 static is empty, you simply need to either scan C4's for a k162 to find it, or find a C5/C5 and chainroll the static untill you find it, or just straight up send 10 scounts into w-space.
That's great news!
That's the same sort of process we went through to find our current system, but it took months to find an empty C4 with C3 static, decent PI planets and system effects that suited our needs.
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:54:00 -
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I'd be surprised if more than 10% of C5s with static C4 are occupied... it's the most useless type of system in EVE. Bad C4 sleeper sites and yet no easy access to Empire because the C4 will never have a k-space connection. The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
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Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:54:00 -
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C5->C4 is one of the least popular wormhole types, so finding an empty one should not be too difficult.
I live in a system like that.
However, since K162's open only when someone warps to the static, the chance to encounter someone like me rolling the static of an inhabited system on the C5 side is somewhat larger than encountering a genuinely empty C5, since few people who roll their statics to C5's usually collapse them again upon encountering an empty C5 with a C4 static. |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 11:57:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:I'd be surprised if more than 10% of C5s with static C4 are occupied... it's the most useless type of system in EVE. Bad C4 sleeper sites and yet no easy access to Empire because the C4 will never have a k-space connection.
Bad C4 sleeper sites?
What's wrong with them? They're much more lucrative than C3 sites and not difficult if you do pve in small gangs. |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:01:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:C5->C4 is one of the least popular wormhole types, so finding an empty one should not be too difficult.
I live in a system like that.
However, since K162's open only when someone warps to the static, the chance to encounter someone like me rolling the static of an inhabited system on the C5 side is somewhat larger than encountering a genuinely empty C5, since most people who roll their statics to C5's usually collapse them again upon encountering an empty C5 with a C4 static, and very few of them bother to open the C4 hole.
Exactly my point from earlier.
Also, if someone from a C6-C5 or C5-C5 system did bother to scan through and end up in our system, it'd be because they were looking to build a big chain of systems for pvp scouting... not an ideal situation for a person wanting to bring a POS through in an Orca. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:10:00 -
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Musophil wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:I'd be surprised if more than 10% of C5s with static C4 are occupied... it's the most useless type of system in EVE. Bad C4 sleeper sites and yet no easy access to Empire because the C4 will never have a k-space connection. Bad C4 sleeper sites? What's wrong with them? They're much more lucrative than C3 sites and not difficult if you do pve in small gangs.
I think people think this in terms of C4 vs C5. Generally it seems people move into a C5 because they have the pilots to be able to handle sites with cap escalation. So to then have a static that offers nothing in terms of cap escalation would be crappy isk in comparison. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
135
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:21:00 -
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Musophil wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:I'd be surprised if more than 10% of C5s with static C4 are occupied... it's the most useless type of system in EVE. Bad C4 sleeper sites and yet no easy access to Empire because the C4 will never have a k-space connection. Bad C4 sleeper sites? What's wrong with them? They're much more lucrative than C3 sites and not difficult if you do pve in small gangs. I lived in a C2 with static C4 for a few months and I hated them. The anomalies only yield about twice as much as C3 anomalies, but unlike C3 sites C4 sleepers do a lot of RR which makes doing the sites time-consuming when you have few people online. Also the ranges are extreme and the wrecks get scattered over a vast area.
So while C4 is more lucrative on a site-per-site basis, C3s can be done more efficiently and yield better ISK/hour.
Tbh I do ratting differently than most other WH dwellers; I don't use Tengus but a turret-based setup that is a lot faster, and cheaper. But range is an issue there, C3 (or C5) sleepers are perfectly in range but the C4 ranges ruin my tactics. But corpmates who use Tengus also disliked C4 sites.
Another big disadvantage is that the static from C5 to C4 has 2 billion mass. Makes it a lot more time-consuming to roll your static when you want new sites. A 1b static can easily be closed in one go without timers by two Orcas, or a large static by a capital. For the C4 static you'll need four Orcas or wait out at least one 4-minute-timer. (Which can also be dangerous because people see you are closing and have time to scan the wh and ambush you.) The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:29:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Another big disadvantage is that the static from C5 to C4 has 2 billion mass. Makes it a lot more time-consuming to roll your static when you want new sites. A 1b static can easily be closed in one go without timers by two Orcas, or a large static by a capital. For the C4 static you'll need four Orcas or wait out at least one 4-minute-timer. (Which can also be dangerous because people see you are closing and have time to scan the wh and ambush you.) This, goddamn this. I hate my static's mass limit.
E175's are a pain in the ass to collapse. We'd have lost a lot of battleships and orcas during 4-min timers if all c4 dwellers in every system ever (Ok, maybe one or two exceptions. You know who your are.) were not useless carebears who could not even gank an ibis if it bit them in the face. |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:33:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote: Another big disadvantage is that the static from C5 to C4 has 2 billion mass. Makes it a lot more time-consuming to roll your static when you want new sites. A 1b static can easily be closed in one go without timers by two Orcas, or a large static by a capital. For the C4 static you'll need four Orcas or wait out at least one 4-minute-timer. (Which can also be dangerous because people see you are closing and have time to scan the wh and ambush you.)
Ah, we're fine with this. Hole-closing-with-orcas-and-BSes veterans nowadays. :) |
Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:38:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote: I lived in a C2 with static C4 for a few months and I hated them. The anomalies only yield about twice as much as C3 anomalies, but unlike C3 sites C4 sleepers do a lot of RR which makes doing the sites time-consuming when you have few people online. Also the ranges are extreme and the wrecks get scattered over a vast area.
So while C4 is more lucrative on a site-per-site basis, C3s can be done more efficiently and yield better ISK/hour.
Tbh I do ratting differently than most other WH dwellers; I don't use Tengus but a turret-based setup that is a lot faster, and cheaper. But range is an issue there, C3 (or C5) sleepers are perfectly in range but the C4 ranges ruin my tactics. But corpmates who use Tengus also disliked C4 sites.
In our Cat Var C4, the sites can be done by a gang consisting of 2 or 3 RR Tengus and a Nightmare, in 10-12 minutes each.
Easy money!
At the rate they bring the ISK in, you could even afford to lose a Nightmare to pvp gangs once every 10 sites or so (not that we lose them anywhere near that often). |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:49:00 -
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Musophil wrote: In our Cat Var C4, the sites can be done by a gang consisting of 2 or 3 RR Tengus and a Nightmare, in 10-12 minutes each.
Easy money!
At the rate they bring the ISK in, you could even afford to lose a Nightmare to pvp gangs once every 10 sites or so (not that we lose them anywhere near that often).
But keep in mind that you'll not have a Cataclysmic C4 very often once you don't live in that C4 anymore. We had tons of god-awful Black Hole C4s They are usually full of sites because everyone hates them.
Make no mistake, of course you'll make good money, everyone in w-space does. I just don't think it's the best option available
I guess you're in it for PvE, because like Godfrey said C4s are also terrible for PvP. Many are deserted, and the ones inhabited are almost exclusively held by pvp-averse carebears. The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.06 12:56:00 -
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most C5s are empty. theyre a dime a dozen. |
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Musophil
Harm Co.
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Posted - 2012.08.06 13:14:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:But keep in mind that you'll not have a Cataclysmic C4 very often once you don't live in that C4 anymore. We had tons of god-awful Black Hole C4s They are usually full of sites because everyone hates them.
This is true. We don't mind rolling our holes, though, so I think we'll be ok.
Terrorfrodo wrote:Make no mistake, of course you'll make good money, everyone in w-space does. I just don't think it's the best option available I guess you're in it for PvE, because like Godfrey said C4s are also terrible for PvP. Many are deserted, and the ones inhabited are almost exclusively held by pvp-averse carebears.
Well, we're not averse to pvp, although living in this c4 most of our PvP is either us versus an enemy covops, or us versus a huge ludicrous blob we have no hope against because we can't field anywhere near their numbers, and so we tend to end up doing PvE together much more often than PvP.
I expect it to be the same in a C5, except we'll have cap ships to use for the site escalations... the main reason we want to move into a C5. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.08.06 13:25:00 -
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Musophil wrote:I expect it to be the same in a C5, except we'll have cap ships to use for the site escalations... the main reason we want to move into a C5.
This should be fun. |
RioCrokite
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.08.08 14:33:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:I'd be surprised if more than 10% of C5s with static C4 are occupied... it's the most useless type of system in EVE. Bad C4 sleeper sites and yet no easy access to Empire because the C4 will never have a k-space connection.
C4 anoms are fine if you know how to do it. With the right fleet setup you are looking at 130mil/h+ per ship in the op no matter what system effects are.
Also <3 black holes c4 even more than magentars for income. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.08.08 17:51:00 -
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Musophil wrote:
Well, we're not averse to pvp, although living in this c4 most of our PvP is either us versus an enemy covops, or us versus a huge ludicrous blob we have no hope against because we can't field anywhere near their numbers, and so we tend to end up doing PvE together much more often than PvP.
I expect it to be the same in a C5, except we'll have cap ships to use for the site escalations... the main reason we want to move into a C5.
In c5's you'll encounter capitals. Capitals take down your towers. Sure you ready for this?
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.17 07:46:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:In c5's you'll encounter capitals. Capitals take down your towers. Sure you ready for this? To do justice, this forum is full of people claiming to love bashing towers with battleships. Admittedly, possibility of capital invasions is something that makes requirements entirely different. |
SojournerRover
Insidious Design Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:44:00 -
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If you want a C5 with a C5 static I have one for sale. It has cutoms offices set up already and I will transfer them to you. ROVER (REDRUM)
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