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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 11/11/2010 16:28:30 thanks CCP :D
I agree with what mynxee said: it's great to see CCP recognise that quality matters more than a release deadline, and that they're willing to apply polish when they see it is needed. I am very optimistic that this is a mentality change (for the better) within CCP and not a one-off event.
(also: in before chribba \o/)
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Sloothy
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
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I am very happy that CCP has decided to polish things. HOwever, I was really looking forward to the Noctis coming out soon. Is there really need to 'polish' the new ship? If not I think releasing it with the November patch would keep people happy and hold us over until we get the full incursion release.
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Caiden Baxter
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
Thank you for taking a concrete step toward listening to the CSM and by extention the players. A staggerred roll out will allow a smoother deployment + correction of issues/problems post patch, and hopefully that extra time on the key feature will translate into the Excellence we all hope for.
Also much thanks for some of the low hanging fruit changes (rockets, T2 ammo, AB/MWD differentiation, POS gunner notices). I hope this approach to content and the process of its deployment are the successful first steps along a promising path.
QFT
/me tips his hat for CCP
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Draco Argen on 11/11/2010 16:33:48 *Claps*
Good, get it right delay it for a reasonable time. I agree with many of the above posts. A massive leap in the right direction in CCPs attitude and actions. Please do keep us well updated on progress (Even if it's "hung over, not done much today")
(I'll bet CCP never expected community to be so happy to hear that an update is not being released, lol)
Douchie McNitpic: The devil is wearing a fluffy hat and mittens.
Now can we PLEASE get the prototype back on SISI. Understand the 64 bit change was important but we are live now. Let us at the broken newbits.
One big boo thought, would have loved the Key shortcuts to be in November, but I COMPLETELY understand its one of the most risky and bug potential changes in the release. So I'll swallow my excitement.
p.s. I could 26 positive responses out of 34 posts before me. That's an agree of 76%, It's the most coherant I've seen these forums in AGES
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Katabrok First
Caldari Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Katabrok First on 11/11/2010 16:31:07 Congratulations CCP. You are taking the correct decision by only delivering what is done.
Ps.: Would it be possible to include the new ship (noctis) in the 30th november patch? I know I'm asking too much after news so great, but you only know the answer if you ask the question.
Kata
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Tester128
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:30:00 -
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will the remap for plex make it to the first part?
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Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:31:00 -
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Definately a good direction CCP, incrementaly releasing smalelr features and updates, and putting more polish on the larger ones. Appeals to the pretty much the whole eve playerbase I think, and puts priority on proffesionalism and excelence, the way it should be.
Perhaps this is premature, but will Incursion in jan be the first virtualy bug free release?
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company Red Rock Consortium
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:32:00 -
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I think this is an excellent decision. I'd rather see CCP take an agile approach to deliveries like they've done with software development. More frequent smaller releases as functionality is polished and ready for release would improve EVE faster. Waiting for major changes delay the just as important smaller changes.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:33:00 -
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Thank you CCP.
Given the choice between the arbitrary 2 expansion per year policy or the policy of excellence, I'm happy that you chose the latter. There's a reason most of the best game development companies have a policy of "it's done when it's done", CCP could certainly use a bit more of that at times as shown recently.
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Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:34:00 -
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Excellence is excellent! --
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Kajan Tormen
Minmatar Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:35:00 -
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*claps* good move! while obviously no one likes to wait and all of us would prefer new, epic features NOW - going live with the "much awaited fixes" in November and waiting with the "big features" until they actually deserve that name is definitely the best course of action.
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No Mauk'Ob
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:35:00 -
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I applaud CCP for taking the time to get things right before pushing out this expansion.
I will wait for Quality every single time ----------------------- Vice Admiral No Mauk'Ob Murientor Tribe Navy 1st MCW MURIE is Recruiting! |
Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:36:00 -
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Thumbs up CCP! Congratulations for the RIGHT DECISION!
We all hope that you will be able to deliver a really polished product, because as we all know, "the devil is in the detail"
Two important questions: 1. Any chance of including Noctis salvaging ship in November 2010 patch? 2. Any chance of having different icons for BPO / BPC, as part of the "Icons refactoring"?
Both "features" do not need too much of an effort / polish ;-)
P.S. There will be whiners & haters, but anyway, nobody could help them to overcome their mental misery IGNORE THEM!
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Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:37:00 -
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Thanks CCP for listening to us and our representatives. Thanks to the CSM are in order too. Eve is a monster of a game and updates and new content will always take time, so better delayed and more polished than sooner and buggier.
By the way, the November changes/updates/corrections look good on their own. Would be nice to know how many of those were proposed by the CSM.
Looking forward to both, the November patch and the new content of January.
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Victor Valka
Caldari The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:37:00 -
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In Sansha EVE, the Nation schedules you!
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee I applaud CCP for choosing to focus on Excellence rather than publish stuff that isn't ready for prime time. CSM has advocated repeatedly that players will accept delays cheerfully if it means a better product.
Totally agreeing!
That is THE RIGHT MOVE. Releasing half-done, half-broken stuff is bad. Quality must be ALWAYS the first and foremost concern.
So, very good.
I am curious though what all the devs did during summer, didn't seem to be that much after all |
wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:38:00 -
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I don't have any beef with the overall strategic decision; I think it's wise.
However, I think the quantity of tweaks/fixes/minor improvements is really pathetic, particularly in light of how trivial many of them are. The CSM prioritized 168 proposals into 3 different categories, and CCP chose something like 7 of the smallest/easiest items to incorporate after getting a lot of bad press. Changing icons? Altering some database values for rocket stats? Give me a break.
I'll believe that the extra time allows them to release an expansion that isn't full of bugs when I see it, cuz right now it just sounds like they're missing deadlines left and right and are asking for an extension to turn in the same crap they've been doing since Apocrypha.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: dev blog
On top of that, we want to make sure our quality assurance department gets plenty of time with the more polished, final versions.
A remaining challenge is that until the extended QA effort results in meaningful improvements to what is clearly a flawed process...it's just hot air.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: LegendaryFrog
Originally by: RutilusUnus Take all the time you need. I'd rather it be amazing than rushed.
I support this. A polished product is leaps and bounds better than an on-time product, especially with an mmo like this.
Agreed. You're showing us that you learned from Tyranis.
Complete, functioning, polished features delivered late are better than junk delivered on time.
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Jamus Gorrelius
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:42:00 -
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We will also have some stuff you have been working on to combat lag in there aswell or is that in december or january?
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Riedle
Minmatar MARSOC Galactic
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:44:00 -
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I'd rather it be delayed and awesome than ontime and sucky.
good job CCP. keep it up.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:44:00 -
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I applaud CCP for this decision. I personally don't need two (content) expansions a year. One is more than good for me.
The couple one major content release + one major patch (fixing all/most known bugs, add little improvements and such) release would be something I'll be really happy with, if that will become the new plan. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Zirator
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:48:00 -
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/applause
I'm impressed that CCP takes this step but I'm more then happy to wait as long as "excellence" is the result.
Congratulations are in place here and I also would like to thank the CSM because I wonder if this discussion was taken without the input from the CSM.
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Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween The couple one major content release + one major patch (fixing all/most known bugs, add little improvements and such) release would be something I'll be really happy with, if that will become the new plan.
This.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:52:00 -
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Too bad we have to wait longer, but much rather that and get quality than to get it now full of bugs.
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The DirtDiver
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: RutilusUnus Take all the time you need. I'd rather it be amazing than rushed.
This.
Way to to go, CCP.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Indeterminacy A remaining challenge is that until the extended QA effort results in meaningful improvements to what is clearly a flawed process...it's just hot air.
I hear what you're saying there, but at least senior management is starting to show us that they value quality product over on-time delivery.
They still have internal process improvements to make (what company doesn't?), but to this customer CCP has taken a big step in the right direction.
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Xaen
Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:58:00 -
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Who are you and what have you done with CCP?
Please allow me a celebratory injection of a little color:
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:58:00 -
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*DOES A HUGE DANCE*
Who's leg at ccp do i get to hump now, for the longest time i had been saying that expansions should be released in small sets and not 1 big expansion to avoid major problems. now it's being done! Woot Woot! Thank you CCP, this might be the smoothest release yet!
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Axe Coldon
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Posted - 2010.11.11 16:59:00 -
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Delay is fine.
When in those 3 expansions will the new Salvaging ship be released?
When in those 3 expansions will the Incursions start?
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