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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 11/11/2010 18:02:50
Originally by: Jack Gilligan I'd feel a lot better about this if they announced that the delay was to rewrite the entire UI because they realized it needs it due to the debacle of the 1.1 series of "patches to fix patches".
In case you didn't notice - that debacle was the direct fallout from rewriting the entire UI.
Now that the work is done and the newly introduced bugs are successively getting squashed you want CCP to rewrite the UI again just for the lulz?
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau Delivering Excellence - definitely good move.
Technically, they aren't delivering anything. Any truth to be found in your statement will be determined when they actually deliver something "excellent."
How will such "execellence" be measured? We're on Tyrannis..what...1.6 now? If Incursion (in whatever form it takes) only gets to 1.5 before the next expansion, does that equal "excellence?"
I just think a lot of people are giving CCP a lot of credit before anything material is shown.
They had two options:
1) We are going to delay release of Incursion. 2) We are going to delay release of Incursion, in order to make it more polished.
I think I can see why they chose the latter. At least the PR machine is working at CCP.
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Norahb
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:07:00 -
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CCP you guys finally get it. Wait and release stuff when it works. This sounds like a really cool expansion and I am encouraged to hear that you are waiting to do it right rather than meet some time line and then release buggy crap that never gets fixed. One big thumbs up from me.
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:08:00 -
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I really wish Eve was Open Source. Then we could sit Trolls down with a keyboard and let try to do better. 1 Troll, 2 boos, 4 or so Meh's and rest positive.
I think I might add The Noctis request. Generally CCP don't mess up new ships with the exception of balancing (Ok and T3 interactions and UI). So we'd be forgiven for thinking it could be squeezed into November Patch.
Also re-iterating a previous Question. Is PI changes coming too? They seemed relatively solid last Sisi.
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Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Komen Chiming in with more cheers for CCP. The right move, despite some crybabies. I'd rather have the release late and working, than on time and broken. Dealt with too many of the latter, and too few of the former.
CCP has 300,000 subscribers. For $4.4 million a MONTH in revenue, CCP should be able to release two major updates a year that are both ON TIME and free of major flaws. That is over $26 million in revenue to develop each 6-month update.
If they can't (and today's announcement was a tantamount admission) they need new management.
I'd feel a lot better about this if they announced that the delay was to rewrite the entire UI because they realized it needs it due to the debacle of the 1.1 series of "patches to fix patches". Instead, this is a delay of an expansion that, in all honesty, doesn't have a whole lot in it. It has one new ship and one new system which is really nothing more than recycled sleeper/wormhole encounters roving "normal" space. Everything else (PI fixes) is nothing more than repairs to junk released in a previous expansion.
More information needed, CCP. We need to know, specifically, WHAT is causing the delay, and more importantly, WHEN you knew you'd have to delay it.
And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.
I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.
If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.
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Warezmy Carr
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:12:00 -
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This was a good decision. Unfortunately, the delay also heightens expectations. I hope they don't let us down ... you know, like those big 'blockbuster' movies where the trailers showed all the good parts and when you went to see it the rest of the movie ended up being crap.
I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011. ----------
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Jack Gilligan Unacceptable, CCP.
You are an idiot.
Releasing bugged junk isn't acceptable.
Releasing stuff months late (if at all) because they are so far out of touch with reality in their development plan that they didn't plan or staff properly to get CLOSE to the planned release date: No more acceptable than releasing bugged junk to make a release date.
With Incursion now running into Incarna/DUST in terms of time frame, something will have to give. Hint: It won't be Incarna/DUST, which are inexorably linked and tied to another product CCP is going to make additional money on.
You sir are an idiot You do not realize how a game company works or how software development works in general, and how people asked for the expansion to be in installments to keep whining and bugs to a minimum level. Because see, no matter how much testing you do, there is always bugs people seem to find that were never found before.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:15:00 -
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What happened to T3s swapping subsystems in POS? |
Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:18:00 -
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Noctis? -----
Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
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Paknac Queltel
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:22:00 -
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WOOO! Finally, some excellence!
Originally by: Warezmy Carr I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011.
Heh, we've been waiting for years, might as well wait a bit more. :P - Paknac Queltel
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Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five True Associates
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Paknac Queltel WOOO! Finally, some excellence!
Originally by: Warezmy Carr I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011.
Heh, we've been waiting for years, might as well wait a bit more. :P
That's what I said last year....
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:27:00 -
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I saw this coming miles away. The horror of 2 more months of PI-clickfest *sigh* ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:33:00 -
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I salute this decision. I know it took you a lot of courage to do something like this (postponing expansion to achieve excellence).
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Khadann
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:35:00 -
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What about the incursion expension website and trailers + wallpapers as we get usually? Sure the game is full priority, however, i can not wait to show my friends an other epic eve trailer!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:36:00 -
[105]
\o/ The 16th wasn't a good date anyway
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:38:00 -
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Quote: More polished, more excellent features. More frequent and smaller releases. Less risky and long deployments.
This sounds ok, some sort. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway."
English is my 5th. Language.
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Lyssa T'Kran
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:44:00 -
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When will the elimination of the shadermodel 2 support happen? I would like to know so that I can be sure to get my upgraded video card by that time. I would hate to try to do the update and discover I cannot play for possibly 2 weeks while i order my new card.
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:45:00 -
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Glad to hear CCP is listening to CSM and focusing on polishing this expansion - I'm very excited to see how it turns out :)
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Tomcat
Gallente Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:53:00 -
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Underwhelming Sansha Supercarrier and expansion delays... I wonder how many times CCP will continue to say the world "Excellence" before they or us actually start to believe it.
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Aeo IV
Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:55:00 -
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does this mean we'll be able to fight for Sansha's nation?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.11.11 18:56:00 -
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A staggered release is an interesting fresh approach from CCP ... making Nov, Dec and Jan an interesting period for players.
It's good someone in CCP finally recognizes that the need for a reasonable polish for each expansion - which is not the beta state of gameplay. Another kudos to CSM for bashing it over their head till it bleeds. Nevertheless, I'm skeptical as always, but we'll see how this pans out fully in Jan.
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Irumani
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:00:00 -
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We don't care about deadlines, we care about the game.
CCP, please take any time you want to finish features you wanna add into the game. We don't want another half-finished expansion like Dominion or Tyrannis. But remember, we care about the game, meaning if you can postpone expansions and that's totally okay, please talk to us. Let us know what you're working on, and that you're doing good work on it.
tl;dr : moar devblogs & moar excellence = happy players.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:03:00 -
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BUT
BUT CCP
How about a Nightmare before Christmas?
*note I am not sure who the original creator of that image is. I first saw it in the Live Events channel. We Sansha dearly love it so. ______
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:04:00 -
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Good plan.
Is this series of patches going to still be called Incursion? ...
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:05:00 -
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"We have a few options for contained changes we can put out in a beefy mini-expansion in November that may include (but are not limited to):
80 new story line courier missions Rocket balancing Tech 2 ammo balancing Adding faction ships to the market Fighter bomber missile visual effects changes Anti-aliasing support Window resizing, camera offset Meta-item indicator icons UI optimization to contract delivery filtering Cargo can now be dragged to hangar by dropping on Neocom Toggling probes in overview POS gunners now receive notifications about control towers under attack Sorting deliveries according to distance in jumps or regional locations Unique icons for Microwarpdrives and Afterburners"
End Quote.
You're breaking your own rules CCP and failing to live up to your own high standards. That list is the most pathetic excuse for a delivery I've seen to date in this game. You employ more and more people at CCP only to release less and less each expansion.
Having started playing during Castor as my first and only MMO, I have watched Eve change from rapid improvement and large amounts of new content (like with Exodus and Red Moon Rising) initially; each subsequent release then generally got worse and worse in terms of quality, with less and less real content and with more and more hype each release.
I for one have seen enough now to believe the Eve I began playing and saw change and improve rapidly has become stagnant and relatively boring due to you at CCP failing to continue to improve the game at the same rate we were accustomed to. If this is what passes for an expansion nowadays then you should be ashamed compared to the greater/better content less people used to deliver. Or perhaps like Nathan said that you were "Over-delivering" with the early expansion, whatever it was that level of commitment to improving the game I feel is no longer there from you at CCP.
My subscription was already cancelled after last release, I've been playing with PLEX since, but seeing your plans for the next "release" I dont think its even worth continuing to spend my time playing Eve anymore. Other companies probably make games better than you do nowadays and Eve is just limping on in order for CCP to coin a bit more money for other new projects.
So thanks for the fun and goodbye.
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Kushan
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:11:00 -
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Sounds really good! I for one am glad you are focusing on polishing features before releasing content. A portent of future releases? I sure hope so ;P
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15k 53113r
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: wizard87
My subscription was already cancelled after last release, I've been playing with PLEX since, but seeing your plans for the next "release" I dont think its even worth continuing to spend my time playing Eve anymore. Other companies probably make games better than you do nowadays and Eve is just limping on in order for CCP to coin a bit more money for other new projects.
So thanks for the fun and goodbye.
Can I have your stuff?
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 -
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An expansion just for the sake of having one is not what was needed right now, so i applaud this move.
Can we get a word on PI?
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Meldgaard
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 -
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I think this is one of the best think ccp has done in a while. Its so good to see that they are more devoted to excellence the to have new contend on some abatray dates. I have been hoping for a fine tuning expansion for a long time, and finally its here. \o/
Good job to ccp for taking a step in the right directions now we can only hope they are following it through.
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Daenna Chrysi
Amarr Psychedelic Party lNERVl
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Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 -
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*sneaks in to santa's place here in Finland and scouts the place out*
lets see... why I have a feeling the new PI stuff comes out in december?
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