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Raubrey
KBEAR LOGIC
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Posted - 2012.08.11 15:58:00 -
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I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.
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Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
75
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Posted - 2012.08.11 23:25:00 -
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Raubrey wrote:I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.
The players make the story, and right now the south of New Eden is seeing some pretty big actions. |
Raubrey
KBEAR LOGIC
25
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:48:00 -
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Ah, I see. Well, no offense meant. Just that it looked like a general thread. Also, last time I was here it was awesome reading and prior to that there was some fun RPing I thoroughly enjoyed. I look forward to finding these gems again. <><><>-á-á-á-á Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.-á-á-á <><><> |
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
71
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:57:00 -
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Since the departure of Drop Bear I don't feel engaged any more, I've said this before and it is still true:
Llyandrian wrote: I'm reminded of Plato's Cave with CCP Abraxas as the Puppet Master and CCP Drop Bear as the educator.
I'm treading water on two accounts, subbed but not playing and I've already let one lapse.
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Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
76
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:22:00 -
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Raubrey wrote:Ah, I see. Well, no offense meant. Just that it looked like a general thread. Also, last time I was here it was awesome reading and prior to that there was some fun RPing I thoroughly enjoyed. I look forward to finding these gems again.
I love EvE's story as much as the next guy but I play for the whole picture, Space Opera fleet battles, Ratting, and Mining. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:43:00 -
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Raubrey wrote:I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.
That's my focus here. The storyline was all that kept me going, but now....meh. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
800
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Raubrey wrote:I thought this was Eve Fiction; I must have taken a wrong turn.
That's my focus here. The storyline was all that kept me going, but now....meh.
Emergence.
It doesn't happen because of all the BIG EPIC AWESOME. It happens because of the little stories.
If the little stories didn't weave together then you wouldn't get a big story.
The only narcissistic thing going on is that you feel you need a big story to care about things. Caring about other peoples story is inherently NOT narcissistic, because you're finding appreciation in their individuality and uniqueness and how that extends to a larger intrigue.
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Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
56
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Posted - 2012.08.17 03:56:00 -
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Yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to even use word "catastrophic" for current situation about story background or just lore in EVE. It's horrible and I hope every day that it will get better.
EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.
Personally I don't care much about chronicles or player driven content - I never did - and yet in the past I have felt much more from the lore and stuff like that.
It disturbs me greatly, this situation. |
Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
12
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Posted - 2012.08.17 11:03:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to even use word "catastrophic" for current situation about story background or just lore in EVE. It's horrible and I hope every day that it will get better.
EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.
Personally I don't care much about chronicles or player driven content - I never did - and yet in the past I have felt much more from the lore and stuff like that.
It disturbs me greatly, this situation.
this. almost every expansion had a huge lore influence; empyrean age, apocrypha, etc. inferno and incarna were truly disappointing in terms of lore, and incarna just sucked all around. Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:48:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:EVE seriously needs live events back, needs back proper feature page for every future expansions with actual lore or background content (Inferno had / has the most pathetic feature site I have ever seen, with 0% lore content or at least saying what is going on in our universe...) and so on.
You had a whole book of lore + a chronicle, but whatever.
I mean things are happening, just that in this case they hadn't a direct effect on us yet. Also, EVE universe occours in real time, and people seem to expect see the galaxy change from left to rigth every 6 months. Jeez in RL it can take YEARS for anything to happen, just take a look at how long some wars take until they actually start. |
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Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
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Posted - 2012.08.17 16:28:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote: You had a whole book of lore + a chronicle, but whatever.
I mean things are happening, just that in this case they hadn't a direct effect on us yet. Also, EVE universe occours in real time, and people seem to expect see the galaxy change from left to rigth every 6 months. Jeez in RL it can take YEARS for anything to happen, just take a look at how long some wars take until they actually start. First of all, we are playing a videogame, so the fun and "happening" stuff is, and always should be, compressed on small place or short period of time. That's what makes any game more "fun" and exciting than slow, boring real life (don't get me wrong though, of course RL still wins anyway). Second, I respect your vision, though what I'm saying is that lore and "happenings" are so invisible last two expansions - in compare to the past expansions. And that what makes me a sad panda. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1083
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Posted - 2012.08.18 10:39:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote: You had a whole book of lore + a chronicle, but whatever.
I mean things are happening, just that in this case they hadn't a direct effect on us yet. Also, EVE universe occours in real time, and people seem to expect see the galaxy change from left to rigth every 6 months. Jeez in RL it can take YEARS for anything to happen, just take a look at how long some wars take until they actually start. First of all, we are playing a videogame, so the fun and "happening" stuff is, and always should be, compressed on small place or short period of time. That's what makes any game more "fun" and exciting than slow, boring real life (don't get me wrong though, of course RL still wins anyway). Second, I respect your vision, though what I'm saying is that lore and "happenings" are so invisible last two expansions - in compare to the past expansions. And that what makes me a sad panda.
TBH, The current lull kinda reminds me about what happened around Trinity ... there was enough of a lull in the backstory to really make the "war" feeling of Empyrean Age stand out (at least insofar as the news articles, chronicles, etc)...
... then again, I was a complete newb back then, and might've just been missing everything ... |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1528
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:48:00 -
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I dunno, just write your own chronicles about in-game events. Literally any event in EVE can theoretically be documented on the EVE-Wiki and turned into a narrative. |
Quinc4623
Borg Mining Collective Unimatrix 01 D E M O N S Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.08.22 04:56:00 -
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I too would like to see some sort of massive in game event, but I can see why it cannot be. A massive change in the universe would require a lot of work from CCP, effort better spent rebalancing things, or creating a new way to play the game. A lot of gameplay elements are dependant on the lore. If CONCORD gets blown up, all the systems get set to 0.0. That would be interesting yes, but also cause a lot of problems. Maybe if it was only temporary. Though ideally it would be an ongoing thing that you can choose to participate or not. So I liked reading Empyrean Age, but I would rather have Factional Warfare in place of a in-game Empyrean age war event. |
Ramius Decimus
Dark Circle Enforcement
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:56:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story. Go play WoW, SWTOR, or STO, then. We don't need to hear your whiny sob story of apparent lack of immagination and overabundancy of pessimism. There is a rich story to EVE (there are 3 full novels) but for the most part it is up to your own initiaive to advance that story. Whether you do so through your actions as a capsuleer or by the power of pen & paper (writing), in the end it is up to you to discover or create story. I do understand part of your complaint, as I would like to see more chronicles, but the dev team is busy working on two big games so I'm thinking we need to be patient before we see more story advancement.
Likewise, If you really think this game isn't for you, you're right! Go play something mindless that holds your hand and tells you everything that is and should be. The key to games is having fun, and if EVE Online doesn't fulfill that role, quit wasting your time and ours with these posts and simply go play something else.
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"Anytime you think I'm being too rough, anytime you think I'm being too tough, anytime you miss-your-mommy, QUIT! You sign your 1248, you get your gear, and you take a stroll down washout lane. Do you get me?" - Sergeant Zim Four year cryosis, reversed.-á Genome; Clone, Second. Original body destroyed. -áCaldari State citizen and proud!-á "We capsuleers are just.... echoes of our original selves." - Falek Grange |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:01:00 -
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Ramius Decimus wrote:Go play WoW, SWTOR, or STO, then. No, I like space and your tears.
Ramius Decimus wrote:We don't need to hear your whiny sob story of apparent lack of immagination and overabundancy of pessimism. There is a rich story to EVE (there are 3 full novels) but for the most part it is up to your own initiaive to advance that story. Whether you do so through your actions as a capsuleer or by the power of pen & paper (writing), in the end it is up to you to discover or create story. I do understand part of your complaint, as I would like to see more chronicles, but the dev team is busy working on two big games so I'm thinking we need to be patient before we see more story advancement. It's not a sob story. I'm a customer who wishes there was a faster paced storyline to keep the universe at large going. I could care less about the individual capsuleer. You're human, you do human things. It's all happened before and it will happen again.
Ramius Decimus wrote:Likewise, If you really think this game isn't for you, you're right! Go play something mindless that holds your hand and tells you everything that is and should be. Except you assume my request for more story is me saying Eve isn't for me and I request something mindless and hand holding, when it isn't. I'm asking for more focus on lore. I'd love to dock at a sleeper station, for instance, and try to wake one of those bastards up and see what happens. That, is not mindless. I have plenty of ideas for WHAT I'd like to do, but lore and game code/mechanics do not allow for it.
Ramius Decimus wrote:The key to games is having fun, and if EVE Online doesn't fulfill that role, quit wasting your time and ours with these posts and simply go play something else.
Naw, you're a prick and your opinion means jack **** to me. Goodbye.
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Jacob D'Argo
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:59:00 -
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I, for one, miss the regular fluff news pieces. Sure, they didn't really affect my gaming experience one way or the other, but it was fun to read about an ongoing scandal in an NPC corporation, and wait for the next update to see how it would evolve over the coming days.
The Fiction portal on the wiki s nice and all, but it doesn't have the same impact factor that those news pieces would. Every time my feed would light up in Google Reader, I found myself wondering if an existing thread was about to get a little more tangled, or if a new thread had just been presented for me to pull on. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
198
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:02:00 -
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Jacob D'Argo wrote:I, for one, miss the regular fluff news pieces. Sure, they didn't really affect my gaming experience one way or the other, but it was fun to read about an ongoing scandal in an NPC corporation, and wait for the next update to see how it would evolve over the coming days.
The Fiction portal on the wiki s nice and all, but it doesn't have the same impact factor that those news pieces would. Every time my feed would light up in Google Reader, I found myself wondering if an existing thread was about to get a little more tangled, or if a new thread had just been presented for me to pull on.
This. This stuff gave the game so much more depths. Like the breaking stories about Noir ramming the station? While the game was STILL going on? Aw man... |
De'Nab
The Studmuffin's ROL.Citizens
3
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:47:00 -
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You should read the books. It will probably change your perspective of the game.[/quote]
I too have read the books & would like to see some of this used as epic arc missions |
Anyanka Funk
BLACKSTORM INC The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.08.24 08:34:00 -
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De'Nab wrote:Quote: You should read the books. It will probably change your perspective of the game.
I too have read the books & would like to see some of this used as epic arc missions
Everything from the books are in fact in the game, you just have to find them.
Edit:
OP, I personally think there is way more than enough stuff to do in Eve already. Eve is a massively multiplayer game after all. Having or joining a good corp or alliance can be one of the most fun and challenging things in Eve. Try getting a one-hundred pilot fleet together for a roam and once successful come back and tell me that Eve is just 'meh'. anyankafunk.tumblr.com |
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
221
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Posted - 2012.08.24 12:39:00 -
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But I don't want to PvP, I've done it for years. I've done a lot over the time I've been here...PvP is fun and all but, it's not story or lore to me. Just people bashing pixel heads against each other. |
PCSANTORO
Ninja Strike Force Reverberation Project
1
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story. I feel like this is just he calm before the storm. Sure the Story has slowed down a little but it is only a matter of time before things start to get moving again. Cycles man, Cycles, every thing happens in Cycles and this is the down time. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.25 10:00:00 -
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I agree that EVE is what we, as a community, make of it. So it naturally follows that if we want storylines and character progression shouldn't it be up to us to collectively create it? Maybe if as a community we came together in greater numbers and shaped the lore collaboratively (continuing from established lore of course) CCP might take our cues and create further chronicles around the content we as a community provide them.
I admit I still have A LOT of reading to catch up on before I could be any kind of authority on EVE lorecrafting though, and I suspect the majority of the community doesn't even care about lore in the first place so even though I fully agree that EVE is a game ripe for roleplaying and rich in already established lore that should continue to progress, I guess the process from a community perspective wouldn't be without it's complications. Those who expect to reap the blessings of-áfreedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it. |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
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Posted - 2012.08.25 23:52:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story.
Complains about whining by making a whine thread. Because **** logic.
*Grammar edit* |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
260
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Posted - 2012.08.27 12:49:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:Anslo wrote:No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story. Complains about whining by making a whine thread. Because **** logic. *Grammar edit*
If you don't like it, don't read it. Your opinion is not welcome.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1124
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:11:00 -
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Quinc4623 wrote:(stuff)So I liked reading Empyrean Age, but I would rather have Factional Warfare in place of a in-game Empyrean age war event.
Uh, Faction War is the in-game "Empyrean Age" event. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
33
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:20:00 -
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The CSMs would like to remind everyone that "Reapers" are just a myth. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.09.06 07:54:00 -
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EVE has history, which is far superior to a story IMO. The story of a video game even an MMO is static for long periods at a time if it ever changes. EVE has had the functional equivalent of at least two in game World Wars as well as espionage and diplomatic collapses among other major events all unfolding in real time. No static story can or will ever compare to that. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
60
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:32:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:EVE has history, which is far superior to a story IMO. The story of a video game even an MMO is static for long periods at a time if it ever changes. EVE has had the functional equivalent of at least two in game World Wars as well as espionage and diplomatic collapses among other major events all unfolding in real time. No static story can or will ever compare to that.
My gripe with this is it isn't being reported on the EVE website as much anymore. You go to something like TheMittani.com and they have war reports, updates etc. Years ago I remember stuff like Titan deaths being reported, Alliances wars etc all on the EVE home page as "official" news. To me that made the universe a lot more "real" and immerser then a short story written by someone ever could.
I mean I liked a lot of the EVE Chronicles, the two I really liked were one about the Amarrian Royal who ended up have his skin stripped off repeatedly as compensation for torturing his people and the Gallente's version of the FBI capturing a drug dealer and torturing the hell out of him and dumping his body in an alley just to send a message.
All that was good grimdark content, however when you're living in High Sec and you read a news report how a distant capsuleer Alliance has declared war on another one and has started an invasion fleet.... That is basically fiction too. You don't know any of those people (or realise they are shiptoasting idiots who sing abd songs on comms etc.), you're just reading a news story delivered to you via the TV in your Captains Quarters or whatever.
What I'm trying to say is: Real player generated content should be reported as news in game and on the website more, as to anyone not in nullsec it basically is fiction. |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
45
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:09:00 -
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Anslo wrote:No story development, no real driving force, gankers galore, more whining, moar bots, same ships, same arcs, no station walking, no city walking, just....meh....Does anyone else feel the same? I just can't get into a game that has no story.
I can see how the lack of a new novel, or continued chronicles can make one feel that the story of EVE is not "advancing". Honestly, for a game to have been out for 10+ years and there are only 3 novels is kind of lacking. EVE deserves to have full, multi media support... More novels; anthologies of the chronicles in hard copy; comic books; and maybe even movies (animated or live actors).
I've heard the number of subscribers for EVE is about 350 - 400,000. An EVE based movie would, minimally, ten times that amount just from its player base.
EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it
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