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Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:56:00 -
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I had an idea for a security corp and am wondering if it,has ever been done or if it is even a valid idea. Contracted security services for say null sec transport or null mining ops. Basically, scan down the sys in question, pod every one in it and camp all the gates.
comments/suggestion pls. Or,if u have a better idea for paid pew, please share |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2556
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:58:00 -
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Prepare to be space-raped. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
baltec1
Bat Country
1836
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:59:00 -
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If I flew fleet ships rather than my megathrons then I would be getting free ships to fight in from my alliance. |
Sarcasim
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Event Horizon Protocol
5
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:59:00 -
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Sign me up |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
157
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:02:00 -
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Null is the safest place. You don't need mercs there. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
436
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:03:00 -
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Null alliances despite outward appearances have a hard time trusting their own member corps let alone an outside entity.
Never understood why SOV is an Alliance level item. Except perhaps to try and stabilize null.
So no you won't get very far with such a plan. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
591
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:07:00 -
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Congratulations, you thought of a service that has been in game since creation. Why null sec alliances would need said services however is beyond me..... |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
300
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:30:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Contracted security services for say null sec transport or null mining ops. sounds like a great idea I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
591
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:44:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Praxis Ginimic wrote:Contracted security services for say null sec transport or null mining ops. sounds like a great idea
Fixed-a-url |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
459
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:05:00 -
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Ok, I'll asume this isn't your main char AND you are sincere in your plan... I'd say you should start off as a bodyguard/private security merc... protecting mining ops, traders and the like... maybe gather some trusworthy people along the way.
It may not be glorious work... there are some people... small freetraders and miners like myself... that would hire somebody for a cut in the profit. "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
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Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
394
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:28:00 -
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KAN I HAS UR SERVICES TO PROTECT FLEET IN WH MINING OP?! K THAX
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Markarian Aurelius
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
12
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:33:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:KAN I HAS UR SERVICES TO PROTECT FLEET IN WH MINING OP?! K THAX
Oh Bernie, you so silly. |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
11
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:42:00 -
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This IS in fact my main. Yes, I'm a mega-noob, thanks for noticing. I'm not actually considering starting a corp. I actually like the one I'm in. I just had an idea and thought I would bounce it off the trolls to see if it stuck. I'm also not suggesting that the null-sac's need protecting but that a group of carebears who might want to op in null need the protection. My corp has also offered me cheap frigs for pvp but what I'm suggesting isn't simply replacing what I lose. I want to pvp for profit. I guess that just don't happen though |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
11
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:35:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:KAN I HAS UR SERVICES TO PROTECT FLEET IN WH MINING OP?! K THAX
Thanks for the sincere support Bernie (sarcasm). Link me your loc (no really), me and the boyz (not noobs) will be right over... |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:40:00 -
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if you were amazing you could make isk by pvping but you are a long way off, to be profitable you would need to have an excellent killboard, lots of isk for ship fits and a team that is trained enough to fly together well.
nullsec alliances don't use or need mercs much, the only ones I can think of are PL and I hardly call them mercs but a nullsec alliance themselves ( or do they own space anymore its been a long time since I cared about nullsec in any way)
if you have about 50 super caps and pilots that can be on call 24/7 nullsec might want you, but other wise I doubt it. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
22
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Posted - 2012.08.08 07:45:00 -
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This might be a better idea for lowsec. There are moments I'd wish I had a few people extra in local, now that a part of my gang is on vacation. I might be interested to hire additional security if you can pull your own weight on a gate camp. The most problematic aspect would probably be proper standings for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) when dealing with smaller lowsec corps that have allies. If you don't mind joining a corp temporarily to inherit these standings, your idea isn't that stupid. It also depends on how much you ask for your service. Would you settle for a cut of the bounties through Fleet mechanics? |
Ghazu
19
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:16:00 -
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there are many mercenary corps out there already. |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:29:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:This might be a better idea for lowsec. There are moments I'd wish I had a few people extra in local, now that a part of my gang is on vacation. I might be interested to hire additional security if you can pull your own weight on a gate camp. The most problematic aspect would probably be proper standings for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) when dealing with smaller lowsec corps that have allies. If you don't mind joining a corp temporarily to inherit these standings, your idea isn't that stupid. It also depends on how much you ask for your service. Would you settle for a cut of the bounties through Fleet mechanics?
I could just have the crew add your aliance as a contact and set to blue for the duration of the op |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2263
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:35:00 -
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Supposedly AAA's main fleet commander gets paid to PvP...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of one man's quest to bring civilization to highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
198
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:40:00 -
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I would be willing to purchase your security services for our corporate mining operations in Fade. How many pilots do you have and what do you fly?
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
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Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:45:00 -
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It could go well,
until you get paid to walk into an ambush....
sucks but thats life bro... |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:22:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I would be willing to purchase your security services for our corporate mining operations in Fade. How many pilots do you have and what do you fly?
I don't actually have any pilots, fly anything worth while or offer any services. The truth is that I'm just kicking around ideas. Thanks though |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:10:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:This might be a better idea for lowsec. There are moments I'd wish I had a few people extra in local, now that a part of my gang is on vacation. I might be interested to hire additional security if you can pull your own weight on a gate camp. The most problematic aspect would probably be proper standings for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) when dealing with smaller lowsec corps that have allies. If you don't mind joining a corp temporarily to inherit these standings, your idea isn't that stupid. It also depends on how much you ask for your service. Would you settle for a cut of the bounties through Fleet mechanics? I could just have the crew add your aliance as a contact and set to blue for the duration of the op
You could, but you would still be Not Blue to allies of your employer. You'd still be a NBSI target. Should the op take place far from the employer corps turf, it wouldn't be a problem. However, it's not realistic to keep asking allies to set standings for individuals you want to work with occasionaly. If you want to remain in your own corp I'd try to get standings (and more work) from these allies too. If you can get standings on an Alliance level, even better. Not every corp is in an Alliance though. |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
13
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:49:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Praxis Ginimic wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:This might be a better idea for lowsec. There are moments I'd wish I had a few people extra in local, now that a part of my gang is on vacation. I might be interested to hire additional security if you can pull your own weight on a gate camp. The most problematic aspect would probably be proper standings for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) when dealing with smaller lowsec corps that have allies. If you don't mind joining a corp temporarily to inherit these standings, your idea isn't that stupid. It also depends on how much you ask for your service. Would you settle for a cut of the bounties through Fleet mechanics? I could just have the crew add your aliance as a contact and set to blue for the duration of the op You could, but you would still be Not Blue to allies of your employer. You'd still be a NBSI target. Should the op take place far from the employer corps turf, it wouldn't be a problem. However, it's not realistic to keep asking allies to set standings for individuals you want to work with occasionaly. If you want to remain in your own corp I'd try to get standings (and more work) from these allies too. If you can get standings on an Alliance level, even better. Not every corp is in an Alliance though.
Good point. This idea obviously needs a f#%@ ton of work. Also its seems as though I'm late to the drawing board any way. Well, maybe my next post will be a winner. I'll see you trolls then. And to those who offered constructive input..thank you |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
444
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:50:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Praxis Ginimic wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:This might be a better idea for lowsec. There are moments I'd wish I had a few people extra in local, now that a part of my gang is on vacation. I might be interested to hire additional security if you can pull your own weight on a gate camp. The most problematic aspect would probably be proper standings for NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) when dealing with smaller lowsec corps that have allies. If you don't mind joining a corp temporarily to inherit these standings, your idea isn't that stupid. It also depends on how much you ask for your service. Would you settle for a cut of the bounties through Fleet mechanics? I could just have the crew add your aliance as a contact and set to blue for the duration of the op You could, but you would still be Not Blue to allies of your employer. You'd still be a NBSI target. Should the op take place far from the employer corps turf, it wouldn't be a problem. However, it's not realistic to keep asking allies to set standings for individuals you want to work with occasionaly. If you want to remain in your own corp I'd try to get standings (and more work) from these allies too. If you can get standings on an Alliance level, even better. Not every corp is in an Alliance though. Good point. This idea obviously needs a f#%@ ton of work. Also its seems as though I'm late to the drawing board any way. Well, maybe my next post will be a winner. I'll see you trolls then. And to those who offered constructive input..thank you
I get paid to do many things, but PVP is not one of them. If you need a friend call me @ (501) 444-CCNA |
Toaulk Rokbyter
Ideal Machine Academy
1
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:52:00 -
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I'm always the "there is a hole in your boat" guy, and I hate it... but thats the way it works...
Couple of problems, then we can move on to solutions.
Problem #1. As a merc corp, your "safety" would be actually in the war dec system, not a "per op" hire situation. The REASON you would want to PVP in the war dec system vrs open contract is because you cannot guarantee a way to be safe if you are being paid to be somewhere at a certain time.... Too many people will bring enough friends to kill you, payment or not.
Problem #2. As someone who runs a PVP training corp, and participates in a NPC 0.0 corp, good trustworthy people don't just materialize. To run a proper merc team you are going to need people you can trust with your isk... because lets face it.. if they are flying with you they are what stands between you and disaster.
Problem #3. While these services sound good on the surface, until you had the opportunity to build a reputation as reliable protection, no "carebear" is going to hire you to come sit around their "shiney ship" in your PVP battle hardened stuff while they shoot rats or run missions, or shoot rocks in a vulnerable area. If you get to the point where you need protection, you are not going to likely trust an outside source to watch your back when there are no consequences to them putting a knife in it.
Ok... there are the holes in your boat... now we can talk about patching them or fixing them with solutions.
Solutions to problem#1: Do your "homework"... don't be lazy about who you are accepting contracts from. Know who they talk to, and what their situation is. Also, use good judgement. If someone like Fatal Ascention, who has no spine and has thousands of players at their disposal asks for your service and you don't hear Admiral Akbar in your head... don't start this service.
Solutions to Problem#2: We use a PVP training corp to seperate the good from the bad, and get our pilots experience. It is an expensive endeavor, but it helps. You can also recruit strait out of RvB or other corps and require references.... this will help some.. But remember that corp mates can not only steal, they can also shoot each other even in high security space... this goes back to trusting them with your isk. You will have to participate in wars and do other things to get your coordination on key, which will require a lot of funding.
Solution to Problem #3: Be there best there is. Be honorable beyond reproach, and fight like a whirling dervish. Eventually the community will take notice, and you will become what you wanted to be. It will have road blocks and speed bumps... but it is possible, |
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