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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.11.18 21:45:00 -
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Confirming everyone in support of this idea has had a Dramiel touch their weewee.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.11.18 22:59:00 -
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I'm not supporting this, but on a technicality.
What we need is not dramiel balance, but universal balance. I want to see a large scale attempt at rebalancing every ship in the Eve universe. The problem is, this would be an enormous job, and the question would primarily be "where the hell do we start".
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Astroka
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Posted - 2010.11.19 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer ...the question would primarily be "where the hell do we start".
Going by this thread, with the Dramiel.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.19 12:09:00 -
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Actually, I think the majority of the current combat frigates are balanced and working fine. The majority of the Interceptors are balanced (particularly the combat turret based ones) and only Caldari is really lacking here with the Raptor, Crow isn't exactly great either but the rocket buff will likely solve it's problems for the most part. I'd say the pirate frigs are fairly balanced too (except the Dramiel), rifter, incursus, merlin, tristan, punisher, kestrel are all solid and perform well.
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Vrat Briner
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Posted - 2010.11.20 11:03:00 -
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/support
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shelmimo
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Posted - 2010.11.21 17:30:00 -
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support
dramiel - unbalanced ship in frigsize
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.11.21 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer I'm not supporting this, but on a technicality.
What we need is not dramiel balance, but universal balance. I want to see a large scale attempt at rebalancing every ship in the Eve universe. The problem is, this would be an enormous job, and the question would primarily be "where the hell do we start".
Think bigger.
I totally f****** agreed with that there should be one whole expansion for rebalancing every singe thing in eve yep THING not just ships just everything.(oh and so all the employees have something to work on they can redo the ship models =) )
as that is probably never gonna happen I support this instead
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Zaboth Garadath
Ore Extraction Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.21 23:37:00 -
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Dramiels are overpowered.
Simply, the more overpowered something is, the more people will fly it than others in its class.
Thats why you see so many dramiels, machariels, vagabonds, drakes, etc.
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KanpaJl
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Posted - 2010.11.22 08:20:00 -
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/supported
flights on the dramiel is too boring. make it harder.
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2010.11.22 11:39:00 -
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I hate the look of Dramiels too
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Tungus Revolt
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Posted - 2010.11.23 19:58:00 -
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It's too boring to have one frig-sized ship that can pwn every other frig.
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Thyme Wasted
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Posted - 2010.11.23 20:45:00 -
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Not supported.
Don't they cost substantially more than any other frig out there? Market equalizes all things. If a Curse can kill a dram and cost less, then the dram is balanced in the context of the game as a whole.
The other frigs just need boosting to match.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.11.23 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Fai Ni What kind of frigsize counters for dramiels do you know?
Daredevil? You know, the frigate that trumps every single frigate out there (as in, blasting them to smitherines instead of running away from them)?
No dram pilot in their right minds would be caught within web range of a Daredevil. Also, when one ship can only be countered by a single, expensive ship in its own ship class, there's still a problem.
Personally, I say take out the drone bay or drop a mid. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Fai Ni
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Posted - 2010.11.25 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Thyme Wasted Not supported.
Don't they cost substantially more than any other frig out there? Market equalizes all things. If a Curse can kill a dram and cost less, then the dram is balanced in the context of the game as a whole.
The other frigs just need boosting to match.
70kk - it is not a price for the best ship in class. also a Daredevil cost is about 300kk in good fit, but Daredevil is not so powerfull |
Gallion
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.25 13:19:00 -
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No. these changes are unnecessary.
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Caspardian
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.11.25 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 15/11/2010 18:52:26 The dramiel is hilariously overpowered
Edit: fix some of the currently underpowered faction ship while we're there.
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Manji Lee
Gallente First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2010.11.25 17:21:00 -
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I say it fine as is. Peeps needs to learn how to fit a ship better when dealing with frig' hulls. - Got any tinfoil? |
Eclampsia
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Posted - 2010.12.01 09:25:00 -
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what CSM think about this idea?
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lookitdisalt
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Posted - 2010.12.01 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
The dramiel is hilariously overpowered
Edit: fix some of the currently underpowered faction ship while we're there.
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JesDarkJewel
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Posted - 2010.12.06 08:35:00 -
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.06 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 06/12/2010 13:08:32 Dual prop, decent tank, 3 drones, a neut, decent dps and ludicrous speed.
That's just too much for a single ship. Remove 2 from the list above. My personal suggestion is to make the dramiel much harder to fit, forcing people to choose between tank (MSE) and dual prop, for example. 1 or 2 drones would be enough and reduce the dps a bit, making the dramiel a very fast ship with cruor/succubus dps without the tank and bonused ewar.
At the moment, the dramiel makes 90% of the frigate lineup obsolete.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.12.06 13:56:00 -
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Speed is not what is wrong with the Dramiel. Having a roadrunner with a gatling gun and 50cm armor plating is.
Keep it as is but give it a significant drawback in the same vein as all the other have. - My suggestion is to cut its capacitor in half and remove 5m3 of bandwidth.
Originally by: Omara Otawan Daredevil? You know, the frigate that trumps every single frigate out there (as in, blasting them to smitherines instead of running away from them)?
So your idea of a balanced ship is if there is another that is able to beat, even though that one other ship costs 2-3 times as much in "base" configuration (more expensive hull + faction web)? |
Korg Leaf
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2010.12.06 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Speed is not what is wrong with the Dramiel. Having a roadrunner with a gatling gun and 50cm armor plating is.
Keep it as is but give it a significant drawback in the same vein as all the other have. - My suggestion is to cut its capacitor in half and remove 5m3 of bandwidth.
Originally by: Omara Otawan Daredevil? You know, the frigate that trumps every single frigate out there (as in, blasting them to smitherines instead of running away from them)?
So your idea of a balanced ship is if there is another that is able to beat, even though that one other ship costs 2-3 times as much in "base" configuration (more expensive hull + faction web)?
I think cutting the cap in half is a little extreme, its meant to be an interceptor but unfortunately its also and assault frigate at the same time, Personally if its going to get scaled back id say make it a little like a faster taranis, not a faster taranis with a jaguar-like tank
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Mana Sanqua
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:40:00 -
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.06 21:34:00 -
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Dramiel is fun to fly - people often forget that fact when they try to modify the game (remember games are played for fun)
There's no denying that Dramiel is the most powerful frigate out there, by far. And we want to balance the game a little. That can be achieved without nerfing the fun factor of Dramiel - simply adjust the base costs of making one. Double the current cost. That would make other frigates much more competitive, as well as provide increased joy factor to those who manage to kill one.
The game should cater to elite players at least a little, otherwise it's all pointless grind.
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LordElfa
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Posted - 2010.12.06 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Confirming everyone in support of this idea has had a Dramiel touch their weewee.
Agreed.
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Hesperius
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:01:00 -
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I fly the Dramiel, it is over powered. The only reasons to fly a frig that is not a Dramiel is because you know you will be suicide tackling, or you are in a covert ops.
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LordElfa
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius I fly the Dramiel, it is over powered. The only reasons to fly a frig that is not a Dramiel is because you know you will be suicide tackling, or you are in a covert ops.
Are you saying that you want your 70,000,000 isk frig to be nerfed?
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Thyme Wasted Not supported.
Don't they cost substantially more than any other frig out there? Market equalizes all things. If a Curse can kill a dram and cost less, then the dram is balanced in the context of the game as a whole.
The other frigs just need boosting to match.
Using price as the only balancing factor is ******ed, my Utu costs 30 billion, should I be able to solo Super Carriers in it? Obviously not. A Curse can kill every single frigate in the game with ease, it is not a viable point, besides, the Cruor costs more than a Dramiel and will likely die to one.
Originally by: Manji Lee I say it fine as is. Peeps needs to learn how to fit a ship better when dealing with frig' hulls.
It is not fine as it is. The problem with the Dramiel is not that "people can't counter frigate huls" It is that it completely dominates the Frigate PVP Meta-Game. A Dramiel can run from or destroy every frigate in the game except for a few 'bait' setups like ab/scram/web Ishkur/Jaguar (which are incredibly difficult to use in 0.0 because of lack of mwd).
Originally by: Ephemeron Dramiel is fun to fly - people often forget that fact when they try to modify the game (remember games are played for fun)
There's no denying that Dramiel is the most powerful frigate out there, by far. And we want to balance the game a little. That can be achieved without nerfing the fun factor of Dramiel - simply adjust the base costs of making one. Double the current cost. That would make other frigates much more competitive, as well as provide increased joy factor to those who manage to kill one.
The game should cater to elite players at least a little, otherwise it's all pointless grind.
The Dramiel doesn't cost anything to make (about 300k in minerals at jita prices), the reason why they cost 70mil is because of demand/supply (The blueprint drops from Domination rats and Angel plexes). So to dramatically increase the price you would have to toy with loot tables. I don't think making it more expensive would make it any less prevelant as it is now though, it simply sets the bar higher for people who want to fight on par with Dramiels. They will still be flown and still dominate frigate combat. I don't think having a frigate which dominates everything else is 'elite', I think it is the opposite, since it is the 'easy mode' frigate. I don't understand how eve is more or any less of a "grind" by making the Dramiel more in line. ---
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LordElfa
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:51:00 -
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Your Utu cost 30 bil because of it's rarity, not demand.
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