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Brego Tralowski
T1 Module Supplies.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 08:11:00 -
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With the new changes to barges/exhumers today I wondered how this will affect Hulkageddon.
I know that during the event all barges/exhumers are considered targets and most of these can be solo'd quite easily. But with the new changes to mining vessels will it put people off taking part in Hulkageddon?
Surely people would switch to a more tanky Skiff during the event, with an EHP of 60+k it'll be much more difficult to take part, unless you are using bigger ships (bigger than Dessie) and more numerous ships to take out each barge/exhumer.
And I know the Skiff doesn't have the same yield as the Hulk, but surely this is preferable to the miner if it means he/she can continue to mine during the events in 'relative' safety.
Thoughts?
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:12:00 -
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This really shouldn't need another thread. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Brego Tralowski
T1 Module Supplies.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 09:29:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:This really shouldn't need another thread.
So........................
After a search I couldn't see anything on this particular aspect of the event, if I have missed a similar thread then please feel free to link it.
Kind regards - Brego.
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Cannibal Kane
Geordie Freckler
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Posted - 2012.08.08 10:13:00 -
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Yes it is...
Does not matter how many changes you make, you will always find morons.
However.. I view gankers and miners not willing to learn in the same light. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Garven Dreis
Kicking Smurfs The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.08.08 10:51:00 -
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I thought that the Hulk would still be viable as a target, although sadly not to the same degree as before.
Carebears won this round. Bring on mineral crash and cheap ships! In Manticore we Trust |
Nayl Mkoll
Godless Horizon. WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:14:00 -
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miners are still largely min/maxers and will still go for max yeild no matter what tools you give them to protect themselves if it cuts into their yeild there will still be solo momo's mining in hulks or zero tanked macs... |
Brorr Liason
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe Pendulum of Doom
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:38:00 -
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I love forum pvp!
Try shooting them and finding out. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.08 19:22:00 -
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The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.08 20:35:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes. Not counting the great likelyhood of fail max yield fits. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
138
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:19:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Astroniomix wrote:The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes. Not counting the great likelyhood of fail max yield fits. I've never thought of the max yield fits as "fail" because if you are smart they can pay for themselves easily. It's the max cargo fits that I have always considered funny. |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.08 23:25:00 -
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Seems to me like the EHP changes strongly favor ganking in groups of destroyers. It did before, of course--it's always going to be cheaper using a bunch of destroyers than a BC/BS. But the EHP buff is really geared toward preventing and/or making solo ganks economically less viable. If anything, the changes would make organized/cooperative ganking as in Hulkageddon more important.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:07:00 -
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Just find more gankers and everything is going to be alright....isn-¦t there a channel for such things? |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:17:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Seems to me like the EHP changes strongly favor ganking in groups of destroyers. It did before, of course--it's always going to be cheaper using a bunch of destroyers than a BC/BS. But the EHP buff is really geared toward preventing and/or making solo ganks economically less viable. If anything, the changes would make organized/cooperative ganking as in Hulkageddon more important.
Miners now have two added layers of security, which I think is fine. First, spikes in local should be more noticeable. And second, they stand a good chance of surviving if the gankers don't bring enough people. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:37:00 -
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Given the increased cost of a suicide gank, the Hulkageddon bounties (100mil for 10 exhumers, 10 mil for 10 barges) are going to be less attractive and less of a driving force to inspire gankers to go the extra mile since the reward is the same but the cost is increasing.
Not to mention, the barge changes have given miners new confidence about their safety. (If that confidence is proper or misguided is yet to be seen). The fear of gankers drove a great deal more miners out of the belts than the actual loss of ships from gankers ever did. With that fear greatly diminished, the ball is in the ganker's court to re-assert the feeling that mining in high sec is not safe anywhere.
Of course, the glut of productive miners will eventually bring mineral prices down far enough to where the markets will drive some miners out of the belts as their isk/hour tanks. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:04:00 -
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dont target procurers or skiffs
hulks as far as i know are just as gankable as before the patch
attacking a procurer will most likely get yourself scrammed and blapped by a waiting fleet :3 |
Mallak Azaria
550
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Posted - 2012.08.10 02:07:00 -
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Hulks are still dying. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2012.08.10 02:31:00 -
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Brego Tralowski wrote:With the new changes to barges/exhumers today I wondered how this will affect Hulkageddon.
I know that during the event all barges/exhumers are considered targets and most of these can be solo'd quite easily. But with the new changes to mining vessels will it put people off taking part in Hulkageddon?
Surely people would switch to a more tanky Skiff during the event, with an EHP of 60+k it'll be much more difficult to take part, unless you are using bigger ships (bigger than Dessie) and more numerous ships to take out each barge/exhumer.
And I know the Skiff doesn't have the same yield as the Hulk, but surely this is preferable to the miner if it means he/she can continue to mine during the events in 'relative' safety.
Thoughts? Is it viable? Yes. Is it profitable? Probably not and that was the point.
You can no longer gank exumers with properly fit destroyers. If you want to gank an exumer, you're going to have to up your game and break out a battlecruiser or battleship with high alpha damage.
Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
176
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:13:00 -
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You can still kill tanked HULKs with 6-7 arty thrashers - if you have time to fire multiple times maybe with fewer ac/blaster ships |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:22:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:Given the increased cost of a suicide gank, the Hulkageddon bounties (100mil for 10 exhumers, 10 mil for 10 barges) are going to be less attractive and less of a driving force to inspire gankers to go the extra mile since the reward is the same but the cost is increasing.
1) Using mining buffs to make more money from mining while making sandwiches 2) Use money from mining to fund greater Hulkageddon bounties 3)??? 4) Profit |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:59:00 -
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hmmm... *puts on his stupid hat, and attempts to act like the fantasy miner imagined here*
1. What's a Hulk? ... used to know ... hmmm.. nope...drawing a blank. 2. Mack's [Big Macks] are 'ard, no cans neither... 3. What is a cargo fit? ... sounds familiar but can't remember... hmmm... 4. Min/Max, is that a kind of minmatar thing? 5. Haha... To mine or not to mine... that is the quesiton. |
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Kyrin Ongrard
A.F.T.E.R. EFFECT Mayhem.
2
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:24:00 -
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long as you pick your targets it shouldnt be a issue. just fit up a skiff or something with a passive targeter and a ship scanner and while your our in a ice field/belt mining just scan and find the people derp mining.
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admitedly this requires either a alt or another bro, but thats just the multiplayer part of the MMO being a ***** again |
khamael III
New Rome corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.11 09:36:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Astroniomix wrote:The hulk still looks gankable, the mack might be, but it won't be proffitable, and the skiff DEFINATLY isn't going to die to anything less than 4-5 alpha tornadoes. Not counting the great likelyhood of fail max yield fits.
Skiff - with the right skills- can actually can be fitted both for max yeld and ubertank |
Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.08.11 21:58:00 -
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The max yield Hulk and Mack can still be cost-effectively ganked, via dessies or Tornadoes. And, max yield will always be the most common fit for these ships in high-sec. Similarly, the T1 versions - Covetor and Retriever - fit for max yield, can still be cost-effectively ganked by dessies.
The Skiff is more problematic. Due to the increased manufacturing cost of the Skiff, the miner should still be the loser when comparing who lost more ISK (attacker vs. defender). However, I don't think the ganker can recover sufficient ISK in salvage and dropped modules to offset the increased cost of the gank.
The Procurer looks to be a no-win situation. If someone opts for a Procurer over a Retriever or Covetor, it is likely to be fit for tank, not yield. The Procurer has the added advantages of (a) still being the cheapest barge/exhumer, (b) being fully insurable, as a T1 ship, and (c) lower fitting cost, since the single strip miner or ice harvester gets a 200% bonus. As far as I've been able to work out thus far, the only cost-effective way to kill a tanked Procurer is to use a fleet of free rookie frigs. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.08.12 10:39:00 -
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I'm starting to see Proc gangs jetcan mining specifically as bait for flippers.
Also seeing Battle Procs flipping Hulk pilots that are jetcanning.
Things are starting to get weird out there.
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
267
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:02:00 -
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1) Hulkageddon has been around for years and miners are still suprised when they get ganked during the event. 2) Miners are actually complaining about the exhumer buff upset over having to re-rig their hulks from cargo rigs and all that wasted ISK. Pretty sure a good majority will still fit max yield. 3) If theres anything the last Hulkageddon showed is that miners who try to fit tanks to their Hulks are bad at this and tend to die anyways.
Based on the the three things I just listed, I would say that the gankers no longer stand a chance. Clearly this is a change that will greatly increase the IQ of miners globally by magnitudes we can't even begin to fathom.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:29:00 -
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everything will be gankable still it might just need another friend to help with the killing... the skiff and t1 barge are going to be uch harder to kill though. |
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