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Tyfuz
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Posted - 2010.12.17 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sandrestal Salasilm, try switching the 1400's on your Mael to 1200's and see what you think. 1200's have a little less dps per salvo but factor in better tracking, better rof and 2x magazine size I think you will find ships go down faster over-all.
I was thinking the same. 1400mm gives a good alfa damage in pvp but using them in pve is only good if you got a alt with targetpainter or web.
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Salasilm
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Posted - 2010.12.17 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tyfuz
Originally by: Sandrestal Salasilm, try switching the 1400's on your Mael to 1200's and see what you think. 1200's have a little less dps per salvo but factor in better tracking, better rof and 2x magazine size I think you will find ships go down faster over-all.
I was thinking the same. 1400mm gives a good alfa damage in pvp but using them in pve is only good if you got a alt with targetpainter or web.
I kinda like the ultra low ammo consumption of 1400 mm, as it makes using republic ammo more attractive solution. Although I guess better fire distribution with 1200 mm might be worthwhile tradeoff. In seconds interval between relaods is the same between 1400 mm and 1200 mm if I understand it right. 1200 mm has about twice as fast RoF and about half of the damage multiplier of the 1400 mm so dps is only a bit lower.
I actually was considering possibility of squeezing painter in there as well, as when my Nighthawk paints the target the Maelstrom can reliably one volley cruisers while without painter sometimes small bit of hull will be left on them.
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raukosen
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Posted - 2010.12.18 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: raukosen on 18/12/2010 17:16:48 Seems like you already tried something similar but I'd say 1x HAM Tengu with 28x assigned Garde II / Warden II (depending on range) from 2x carriers with 3x omnis and 2x sentry damage rigs.
I'm using something similar but not with carriers atm and I don't have to scoop THAT often and the upside is I only have to tab to scoop the drones, not to shoot. Most of the time I can kill the guys shooting my drones before they hit armor.
Having T2 sentries is hugely important.
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Salasilm
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:34:00 -
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After trying out various combinations of ships I have ended up with Nighthawk + 2x permatanked cruise missile Ravens. It's still not quite as optimal as I would like as far as isk/h goes but seems to offer me reasonable price/performance/effort ratio.
Second pretty good setup roughly equal to the nighthawk + 2x ravens was tempest + 2x malestrom. Tank is a bit tougher but if frigates spawn a bit too close I'll have to use drones. On paper the dps of those seemed a bit better, but it appears that Phased Plasma has pretty high thermal part of the dps ending up roughly the same as wrath cruise missiles against guristas.
My drone skills are clearly suboptimal for sentry use for now to do justice to the Dominix as a tripleaccounting wingman. It should be possible to do pretty reasonable 'attention free' Dominix setup with sentries and 5 small or medium remote reppers permarunning in highs keeping those sentries alive even when fired upon. So something with high RoF as target caller and 10 sentries on assist without having to scoop them when getting agro. This setup will have to wait a while though before I can properly test it as T2 Sentries would be essential to make this setup better than ravens.
Perhaps on the test server ... if there is any system where I can reliably get guristas Sanctums. Have still some unallocated SP I could use in SiSi to train T2 sentries.
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Zdrahonul Gallentor
Gallente Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zdrahonul Gallentor on 04/01/2011 17:18:42 Edited by: Zdrahonul Gallentor on 04/01/2011 17:16:50 Edited by: Zdrahonul Gallentor on 04/01/2011 17:16:22 I must sound like a stuck vynil, but:
1. Ishtar+Ishtar+Ishtar = 750M ISK tops (pimped a bit) = 15 Garde IIs = 1500 DPS. Gank/ISK is simply awesome! 2. You only need an Ishtar to tank the whole thing while cycling only a repper. 3. Fit an omni on each, assign drones to tanker, sit next to drones with the other two, watch local. 4. Reds come, bring drones in, warp own fleet to safe spot, cloak. 5. ??? 6. Pro-FIT :) LE: and yeah, no ammo needed. Ratting cost is ZERO. LLE: with ONE Ishtar and only T2 Hammerheads I managed a max of 9.1M ISK/h. I think you can get to 4X that amount if you use 3 of them and Garde IIs (provided you manage to find anoms that fast) ...gis sdrawkcaB |
Rahnim
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Edited by: Guilliman R on 28/11/2010 08:47:06 Double carrier here.
22+ sentries eat battleships for breakfast.
*edit for numbers; Atm I'm looking at between 80 to 100m per hour, that's station sanctum per bounty tick.
1x thanatos - 14 firbolgs vs sanctum = 25-30mil every 20 mins for me, thats with 1 carrier... sentries suck, unless your a lazy bum who can't bother to micro your fighters
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Salasilm
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Posted - 2011.01.05 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rahnim
Originally by: Guilliman R
Double carrier here.
22+ sentries eat battleships for breakfast.
*edit for numbers; Atm I'm looking at between 80 to 100m per hour, that's station sanctum per bounty tick.
1x thanatos - 14 firbolgs vs sanctum = 25-30mil every 20 mins for me, thats with 1 carrier... sentries suck, unless your a lazy bum who can't bother to micro your fighters
That sounds actually pretty good isk/h. About the same I get tripleaccountig currently. You have carrier 5 ? Unfortunately the gallente carrier is the only one my carrier pilot cant fly. That can be ofc corrected with about month of training for Gallente BS 5 and Gallente Carrier 4.
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Flios Bror
Amarr Doom Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Edited by: Guilliman R on 28/11/2010 08:47:06 Double carrier here.
22+ sentries eat battleships for breakfast.
*edit for numbers; Atm I'm looking at between 80 to 100m per hour, that's station sanctum per bounty tick.
If you decide to go for double carrier, allow usage of fitting facility on each and carry enough warp core stabilizers in your cargohold to fill your low slots. When pointed start switching mods for stabilizer and warp out. Another thing, carriers look good on killboards, so they attract extra attention, but you are probably already aware of this. [None] |
romek mablung
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.01.06 12:26:00 -
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Use Revenant (soon).
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Salasilm
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Posted - 2011.01.12 11:09:00 -
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Has anyone tried multiple nighthawks ? The one I'm using to spank small stuff currently (1x Nighthawk with 2x Rigors + 2 Ravens) seems pretty damn effective. Ofc the ammo consumption is almost as bad as with autocannons with heavy missile RoF of 4.7 seconds. Fury scourge is not the cheapest of them ammos either. I'm tempted to spend few million learning SP still left on the raven pilots and get them into Nighthawks
Or has anyone tried Tengus with FoF missiles ? Well FoF is ofc somewhat ******ed option bcos it goes after structures so only the station Sanctum would be okish for it having only 2 structures ... FoF on the other hand makes it a lot easier to manage high number of accounts as you only have to reactivate launcher when it runs thru ammo. Only problem with Tengu is ofc that three of them will attract unwanted attention in the form of blue tackle in the hope of getting juicy drops and bucketfuls of tears.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.01.12 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 12/01/2011 11:54:31 i'd use tripple sentry ishtars... fully automated afking
no ECMing, no range issues, no tank issues, no cap issues, no ammunition, no target management F1, F2, F3 etc.
ISHTAR with deadspace small repper permatanks, passive shield ishtar withstands lots of damage too.
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Salasilm
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Posted - 2011.01.12 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone
i'd use tripple sentry ishtars... fully automated afking
no ECMing, no range issues, no tank issues, no cap issues, no ammunition, no target management F1, F2, F3 etc.
ISHTAR with deadspace small repper permatanks, passive shield ishtar withstands lots of damage too.
As it's 0.0 then afking might not be sensible. I did consider Dominix'es though it's just that frequent reinforcement waves makes it a bit annoying to use as NPC's tend to go after the drones often. I saw a while ago a Dominix setup with 5 remote reppers in high slots though for letting your sentries get agro and still live. It was intriguing but unfortunately I found out that I need T2 sentries for them to be reasonably effective against Guristas Sanctums.
I am also not entirely sure how the drones react to NPC's that are not agressed directly against their owner. Do they auto-attack also the NPC's that are attacking someone else in the gang ? My experience with actual drone use is limited.
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justin666
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Posted - 2011.01.12 13:38:00 -
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ive just started doing a 1200dps chime carrier and torp golem duo for these sanctums and its pretty good i must say
bountys are like 34 mil every 20 mins or so and thats a relistic answer...
2 accounts is all you need
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justin666
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Posted - 2011.01.12 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rahnim
Originally by: Guilliman R Edited by: Guilliman R on 28/11/2010 08:47:06 Double carrier here.
22+ sentries eat battleships for breakfast.
*edit for numbers; Atm I'm looking at between 80 to 100m per hour, that's station sanctum per bounty tick.
1x thanatos - 14 firbolgs vs sanctum = 25-30mil every 20 mins for me, thats with 1 carrier... sentries suck, unless your a lazy bum who can't bother to micro your fighters
finaly someone who knows what hes talking about and yes sentrys are not better than bloody fighters... i can drop 2 bs faster than one thanny with sentrys tying to drop one bs
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