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Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.08 10:40:00 -
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iv'e read several explanations on the forums about a mysterious race called the Enheduanni, and i have become fasinated about them. i have some questions though.
Are they an actual race and ethnicity or a group of like minded leaders who are manipulating history and happen to possess advanced tech?
Do they have territory beyond the cluster?
are they related to the sleepers or jove, or are they a different race entirely?
why are they the enemy of the jove?
what is the version of utopia that they are guiding new eden to?
Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:33:00 -
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Wild guess: Thargoids? |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.08.08 13:51:00 -
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The Enheduanni, Jove and Sleepers were all part of the Jove civilisation/faction. Just different groups within that civilisation.
The Sleepers are the Architects who built the first stargates of the Jove and helped them gain a foothold. They reside/sleep inside a virtual world called the Construct. Thanks to virtual time dilation they can invent, create and research new technology at incredible speed. They first became an Elite subculture in the Jove civilisation and later became the most powerful faction in their civilisation.
The Enheduanni are the caretakers of the Architects, they help them in and out of the Construct and are the only ones who had access to it. They controlled the flow of information between the Architects and their discoveries and the rest of the Jove civilisation. Eventually they used this as leverage to gain political and cultural power over the Jove civilisation. They started to enforce their own views and will upon them. It is believed they are responsible for the Disease that plagues the Jove, with the intention of forcing the Jove to obey them. They left Jove space shortly after.
They are the enemy of the Jove only in the sense that they believe they know what is best and wish to force everyone else to follow that vision for the greater good of all. To achieve this goal they manipulate others and attempt to influence the course of major events using the advanced technology they gain through the Architects.
I would recommend getting your hands on the Templar One book. It explains a great deal about them. (Not all EVE players are happy about those explanations, but looking at the new chronicle 514 I don't think CCP isn't going to be changing it)
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.08.11 17:24:00 -
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Sitreba Oonchevkii wrote: Do they have territory beyond the cluster?
No. There are few Enheduanni left, and they act as the power behind the throne on all the important places of the cluster, so they don't hold any territory for themselves.
Everything else has been answered by Tykari.
Tykari wrote: It is believed they are responsible for the Disease that plagues the Jove
"The Jove belive" instead would be more acurate. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.11 18:40:00 -
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They are EVE's version of "The Wizards" and refers to the GM and Devs woven into the game lore. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:35:00 -
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Hardly, rigth now they are http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything |
Senerio
Children of Eden
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:28:00 -
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Enheduanna is also the name of a Sumerian priestess/author, though I am uncertain whether this influenced the CCP's concept other than the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enheduanna |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:45:00 -
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The Inner Circle of Concord would like to remind the good Citizens of New Eden that these so-called "Enheduanni" are just a myth. |
Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:23:00 -
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Anslo wrote:The Inner Circle of Concord would like to remind the good Citizens of New Eden that these so-called "Enheduanni" are just a myth.
of course. nothing to see here, citizen. Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
Domer Pyle
Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
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Posted - 2012.08.30 12:16:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc
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Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:31:00 -
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day made Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
ElSuerte Diego
Protectors Holdings CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:42:00 -
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I've always wondered why they have no presence in w-space. Seems like it would be natural for them to be there to protect the Sleepers. |
Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Protocol Inanna
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:02:00 -
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Sitreba Oonchevkii wrote:why are they the enemy of the jove?
They aren't, at least by the latest explanation of what the Enheduanni are.
Some Jove believed they are the reason for the Jovian disease, and that the Enheduanni allowed the Jove to suffer it. The story Theodicy is named for this conflict; the Jove saw the Enheduanni as Gods. As Gods, surely they had the ability to cure their illness, right? Well, they asked their Gods to save them, and the reply was, "well, we can't cure your disease, but we have an alternative. Hook yourselves back into our virtual construct."
Of course, this is an explanation given by the same individual who, in the story Theodicy, claimed that the Enheduanni were, in fact, enemies of the Jove.
Further Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy |
Romvex
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:02:00 -
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i've always thought of the enheduanni as the people who were once the "upper class" of the jove, before the close of the gate. Also, i was under the impression that the polaris frigate flown by the GM was an enheduanni vessel, and the lore explanation for ccp and the gm was that they were the enheduanni, manipulating the empires I'll ninja salvage your wrecks and be home in time for cornflakes |
Graelyn
Adamant Edge Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:40:00 -
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The Polaris is flown by several branches of CONCORD, including STAR, ECAID, and Interstellar Corespondents.
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Annika Amelana
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.23 22:20:00 -
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... I'll be reading TVtropes all night now. That place is a vaccuum of free time. |
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.09.24 20:28:00 -
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Tykari wrote:.
I would recommend getting your hands on the Templar One book. It explains a great deal about them. (Not all EVE players are happy about those explanations, but looking at the new chronicle 514 I don't think CCP isn't going to be changing it)
This.
It is a very well written book, and at times had a hard time putting it down. Books like this just serve to make the game feel more alive.
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Fraxi Nilanth
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:21:00 -
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Jovians Did it. |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2012.10.05 12:08:00 -
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There is one major problem with the story and itGÇÖs a rather large plot hole or just doesnGÇÖt make sense to me. The Enheduanni/Sleeper are massively more advanced than the Jove. So why are the sleepers so primitive and easy to beat? If the Enheduanni are so advanced why are the buildings so rundown and primitive? If Gallante can have drones maintained a star base without humans why can the much more advanced Enheduanni not do the same?
For a race that lives in time dilation and can invent, create and research new technology at incredible speed far beyond the Jove I have to wonder why the Sleepers are so low tech? Where is all this advanced technology? Why are the sleeper drones not useing the Enheduanni technology? Why would Enheduanni use Enheduanni technology in empire space but not use the same Enheduanni technology in w-space? |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2012.10.05 12:16:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:Sitreba Oonchevkii wrote: Do they have territory beyond the cluster?
No. There are few Enheduanni left, and they act as the power behind the throne on all the important places of the cluster, so they don't hold any territory for themselves. Everything else has been answered by Tykari. Tykari wrote: It is believed they are responsible for the Disease that plagues the Jove
"The Jove belive" instead would be more acurate. Why would there be few Enheduanni left? They are not suffering from the disease that plagues the Jove, they have the technology to cure the disease as they have complete mastery of genetics and mastery of the human brain far in advanced of the Jove. To top if off they have all those pre disease frozen bodys and a VR world with time dilation to fix the problem. Also the Enheduanni do hold territory. The story is the Enheduanni left Jove space and the Jove migrated to follow them. After a while the Enheduanni got fed up and stoped the jove following them which is why the Jove are in the current systems. The current Jove systems are the spot were the Jove stoped migrating after the Enheduanni.
That sort of suggest in a way The Talocan might have been early Enheduanni migrating away from known space towards W-space then one settled down the Talocan become the Sleepers which explains the Sleeper tech inside Talocan ships. The only problem is the technology is far too primitive. |
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.10.05 18:50:00 -
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Pottsey wrote:There is one major problem with the story and itGÇÖs a rather large plot hole or just doesnGÇÖt make sense to me. The Enheduanni/Sleeper are massively more advanced than the Jove. So why are the sleepers so primitive and easy to beat? If the Enheduanni are so advanced why are the buildings so rundown and primitive?
Hasty judgement, history shows highly developed civilisations falling to barbarian hordes so much that very phase is derive from the text book example. The Huns, The Vandals, the Mongol conquest of China, The Golden Horde, even the Viking's sacking Anglo-Saxon Britain.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2012.10.05 19:10:00 -
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Wyke Mossari wrote:Pottsey wrote:There is one major problem with the story and itGÇÖs a rather large plot hole or just doesnGÇÖt make sense to me. The Enheduanni/Sleeper are massively more advanced than the Jove. So why are the sleepers so primitive and easy to beat? If the Enheduanni are so advanced why are the buildings so rundown and primitive?
Hasty judgement, history shows highly developed civilisations falling to barbarian hordes so much that very phase is derive from the text book example. The Huns, The Vandals, the Mongol conquest of China, The Golden Horde, even the Viking's sacking Anglo-Saxon Britain. That seems a bit farfetched to me. A super advanced race well beyond the Jove with 1000's of solo systems in the empire all melted down and lost technology in a matter of years? What about all the self sufficient star base's manned by drones, why did they all of a sudden become primitive? |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.05 22:36:00 -
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Pottsey wrote:
That sort of suggest in a way The Talocan might have been early Enheduanni migrating away from known space towards W-space then one settled down the Talocan become the Sleepers which explains the Sleeper tech inside Talocan ships. The only problem is the technology is far too primitive.
Lovely to see you again Pottsey the Pottsey Super Thread was a good place to share fiction ideas. Kudos to you and Asbalon Jade.
One thing that dawned on me a while ago was in relation to the old community thread on jump drives.
You'll notice that the portal for the old area has been re-done http://community.eveonline.com/
But the old Inter-stellar travel pages have not needed retcon:
Quote:The later versions allow ships to jump from a system with a jump gate to another system that has no jump gate, and the latest version, still only available as a prototype, allows a ship to jump between systems even if no jump gate exists in either system. The first versions of these drives simply aligned the drive with the nearest resonance node in the system (often using nodes 1:4 or even 1:5), then created instant mini-wormholes through it for just enough time for the ship to slip through. More advanced versions, allowing jumps into systems with no jump gates, are a bit more complex. They send out a constant barrage of high frequency neutron rays, based on the flat-space principle of trans-relativistic physics, through infinitesimal cosmic strings to scout out the destination system. This survey can last for several days before enough data is gathered to allow the ship to create a wormhole (through a resonance node of course) to the destination system.
With the Sleeper's only having in-built Jump Drives, the mass of the Polestar would have had enough mass to hyper-locate or form wormholes to Empire. The reason the unstable wormholes are still present leading from K-Space to W-Space would be feasible, by making a Corridor; (all fiction ofc) Using the Period Basis region as a long range target and charging the Polestar for 3 months its jump drive was able to lock onto Empire Space and target the nearest Gravity Well, the return trip back to the detached Polestar, ran parallel leaving a residual wormhole / string with the ability to remain open for millenia.
Got me thinking about the 1,000 old plate on Matar in the chron Present Pieces though........... Ginnungap is close by.
The Damaged Cloaking Device is found on a Drone in the Minmatar COSMOS System of Hjoramold. Why the Rogue Ddrones would have started using cloaking technology is not yet fully explained, but I'd guess it has something to do with Dagan, if the chronicle Depth of Field which couldn't be visually confused with the Vampire, plus Dagan's presence in the Blood-Stained Stars Sisters Epic Arc.
One of the things about the Chinese and Yan Jung Middle Kingdom can be found with these: The Three Enclosures; Purple Forbidden Enclosure, Supreme Palace Encosure and Heavenly Market Enclosure. The Yan Jung going a different way would definitely tie with, as the above relate to positions in the sky under the Chinese San Yuan / constellation system.
More specifically the Pole:
Quote:The Three Enclosures are the Purple Forbidden Enclosure (t¦½s+«sPú, Z¦É W-ôi Yu+ín), the Supreme Palace Enclosure (sñ¬s+«sPú, T+ái W-ôi Yu+ín) and the Heavenly Market Enclosure (sñ¬s+ésPú, Ti-ün Sh+¼ Yu+ín). The Purple Forbidden Enclosure occupies the northernmost area of the night sky. From the viewpoint of the ancient Chinese, the Purple Forbidden Enclosure lies in the middle of the sky and is circled by all the other stars.
The Supreme Palace Enclosure lies east and north to the Purple Forbidden Enclosure, while the Heavenly Market Enclosure lies west and south. The Three Enclosures are separated by "walls", which are asterisms with their shapes resembling their namesakes.
Meaning that having a hotspot to aim at like Sirius on Earth would entail these three regions were options. |
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.06 01:38:00 -
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Pottsey wrote:There is one major problem with the story and itGÇÖs a rather large plot hole or just doesnGÇÖt make sense to me. The Enheduanni/Sleeper are massively more advanced than the Jove. So why are the sleepers so primitive and easy to beat? If the Enheduanni are so advanced why are the buildings so rundown and primitive? If Gallante can have drones maintained a star base without humans why can the much more advanced Enheduanni not do the same?
For a race that lives in time dilation and can invent, create and research new technology at incredible speed far beyond the Jove I have to wonder why the Sleepers are so low tech? Where is all this advanced technology? Why are the sleeper drones not useing the Enheduanni technology? Why would Enheduanni use Enheduanni technology in empire space but not use the same Enheduanni technology in w-space?
I am sure that this was perhaps explained indirectly in the book. I will have to read through that part again, to see if there are any assumptions imparted through the story.
Also, there is also the possibili[u]ty of other books down the road where more detail will be given, as they left a few open ends in the latest book, 'Templar One' |
Majindoom Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.21 16:02:00 -
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