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MLG Infinity	Posted - 2010.11.19 02:54:00 - [1] So I threw together this fitting, and was wondering what the world thought of it. I designed it to preform best in small gangs (1-5) and most likely without RR. I threw the cap booster in because of possible perma run the MWD orbit at about 10k and hail DPS down while somebody has a tackle. I tried to keep it fairly cheap too. What do you think about the fit overall? As you can see, I favor defense over attack. If you think i could do the job better in a Cyclone, please say so, and why and in what fit. Thanks! [Hurricane] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200(Or 400 or 800) 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Hellfire Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Hellfire Assault Missile Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin I x4 Hammerhead I x1
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.11.19 03:05:00 - [2] Edited by: Gladys Pank on 19/11/2010 03:05:29 Your plan is to perma mwd in an orbit of 10km with a scram and plate. Genius. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
hjgjgfgfgsj	Posted - 2010.11.19 03:20:00 - [3] eccm instead of cap booster and ecm drones and youve got it :)
Axemaster	Posted - 2010.11.19 03:44:00 - [4] I lolled... Yeah, this fit is ok, but calling it "Beat-All-End-All" is waayyy over the top. As it is, this fit is significantly non-optimal. Play with EFT more.
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.11.19 03:45:00 - [5] Originally by: MLG Infinity So I threw together this fitting, and was wondering what the world thought of it. I designed it to preform best in small gangs (1-5) and most likely without RR. I threw the cap booster in because of possible perma run the MWD orbit at about 10k and hail DPS down while somebody has a tackle. I tried to keep it fairly cheap too. What do you think about the fit overall? As you can see, I favor defense over attack. If you think i could do the job better in a Cyclone, please say so, and why and in what fit. Thanks! [Hurricane] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200(Or 400 or 800) 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Hellfire Assault Missile XT-2800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Hellfire Assault Missile Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin I x4 Hammerhead I x1 ehhh you're on the right track for the cookie cutter armor cane. but yea... your tactic isn't. drop the cap booster for a second web, eccm ladar, or sensor booster, even a tracking computer. there are a lot of options and it's really all up to preference or what you know of the enemy. most people use trimark rigs since you've already committed to slow boating it with the plate and the speed hit isn't as bad on an already 'fast' BC. you can also fit 425mm autos and since you should be webbing pretty much everything you're shooting, the tracking difference shouldn't matter. instead of missile launchers, many people fit med/small neutralizers. [Hurricane, armor] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II or Disruptor II ECCM - Ladar II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
TaluxA	Posted - 2010.11.19 04:23:00 - [6] You're on the right track with the fit. Swap the kinetic rig for a trimark and put something else in place of the cap booster like a second web or eccm. Also train t2 drones as soon as possible. Armor canes rely mostly on tank and gank so you want to try and get right up close and brawl your opponent down, since your dps will be kinda weak at 10km using 220's and no tracking enhancers.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.11.19 05:16:00 - [7] Congrats, you almost got the cookie cutter plate hurricane right but failed. Slap 3x trimarks on, drop the cap booster for a sebo/ECCM/web or whatever and upgrade those guns to 425's. ECM drones or warriors, take your pick. Forget about orbiting, just park 2km away if you can get them stationary and blast them unless it's a BS, in which case orbit at about 2km with your MWD off. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.11.19 06:26:00 - [8] Originally by: King Rothgar Congrats, you almost got the cookie cutter plate hurricane right but failed. Slap 3x trimarks on, drop the cap booster for a sebo/ECCM/web or whatever and upgrade those guns to 425's. ECM drones or warriors, take your pick. Forget about orbiting, just park 2km away if you can get them stationary and blast them unless it's a BS, in which case orbit at about 2km with your MWD off. in general this ... another option is to go with two medium neuts instead of the launchers. works better for me. WE ARE in STASIS NOW!
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.11.19 07:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Hidden Snake another option is to go with a cloak instead of the launchers. works badly for me. ~
Ralnik Alpha Squad	Posted - 2010.11.19 10:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Ralnik on 19/11/2010 10:55:37 Except for the best Cane is a shield gank Cane with 425's , dual med Neuts and dual LSE's (gang fit use 720 Artis instead). If it can't kill it, then most of the time it can GTFO while the Armor Cane is simply left in a do or die situation. As for your Armor Cane, it's pretty close to run of the mill cookie cutter fit, nothing new and exciting. The draw back to armor Cane's is they don't get the same range or DPs as the shield fit with 2 TE's & 2 Gyros paired with 425's. This means the current nano gangs will eat you alive by staying out side your range and pecking you apart.

Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.11.19 14:36:00 - [11] Gz guys, you just discovered that cane is one of the most versatile bcs out there.
MLG Infinity	Posted - 2010.11.19 21:11:00 - [12] Ok, with all that in mind, how does this look. Warp in, scram, get close and dish DPS: [Hurricane, New Setup] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I The Nuets will destroy an active tank within the time it takes for the 67k ehp to run out. Since I fit a double web, should I switch the scram to a distruptor? Thanks for the help already, even the hate =P
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.19 22:00:00 - [13] Originally by: MLG Infinity The Nuets will destroy an active tank within the time it takes for the 67k ehp to run out. Since I fit a double web, should I switch the scram to a distruptor? Thanks for the help already, even the hate =P There's a problem there: you'll run out of cap before any active tanked ship will. Neuts are only good offensively against a same sized ship if you either have a cap booster or a neut bonused ship. Or if there are a lot of other people in your gang who also have neuts. Most neuts on Canes are there for getting the feck out when things go wrong.
Ralnik Alpha Squad	Posted - 2010.11.19 22:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Ralnik on 19/11/2010 22:06:34 Originally by: MLG Infinity Ok, with all that in mind, how does this look. Warp in, scram, get close and dish DPS: [Hurricane, New Setup] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I The Nuets will destroy an active tank within the time it takes for the 67k ehp to run out. Since I fit a double web, should I switch the scram to a distruptor? Thanks for the help already, even the hate =P If using double webs, then for sure drop the scram in favor of the long 24km point. I'd lose the explosive rig and just go triple tri-mark. The biggest problem with 425's on a armor fits is you can't fit the 2 tracking enhancers like the shield gank fits use. The dual webs should help, but just be-careful of frigs that can tackle & hit out side your 14km (over heated) web range. As a gang ship it's ok, but in that case you might as well drop a web in trade of a sensor booster. For soloing I'd use the shield fit instead, but that's because I like to be able to dictate range.
Ralnik Alpha Squad	Posted - 2010.11.19 22:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: MLG Infinity The Nuets will destroy an active tank within the time it takes for the 67k ehp to run out. Since I fit a double web, should I switch the scram to a distruptor? Thanks for the help already, even the hate =P There's a problem there: you'll run out of cap before any active tanked ship will. Neuts are only good offensively against a same sized ship if you either have a cap booster or a neut bonused ship. Or if there are a lot of other people in your gang who also have neuts. Most neuts on Canes are there for getting the feck out when things go wrong. This is not true.. I run dual med neuts on my Canes and with MWD "off" the cap lasts over 5 minutes and with MWD "on" it lasts over a minute and a half. Meaning if pulsing the MWD you have way more than enough cap to kill most active tanked ships.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.19 23:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Ralnik This is not true.. I run dual med neuts on my Canes and with MWD "off" the cap lasts over 5 minutes and with MWD "on" it lasts over a minute and a half. Meaning if pulsing the MWD you have way more than enough cap to kill most active tanked ships. That's true. Pardon me from speaking from my own previous failures, then. I'm no PVP god by anyone's standards (and have a crap record, to save you the trip to BC). But what I have learned though is that almost no one starts a fight at 100% cap. And that the people smart enough to use active tanks properly in PVP assume they'll be under neut pressure in some shape or form in most fights. If I were in a Sleipnir, I'd neut a shield Cane (and probably an armor one) right back and pace out my charges. Tanky Myrms keep on repping with a medium neut or two on them by managing their charges right. Gangs change things though, and it doesn't matter how long you can sustain your modules if you have buddies helping you out. What might have been better to highlight is that having one medium and one small neut does not turn you into an instant slayer of active-tanked PVP fits. The Cane's neuts work best at breaking tackle of smaller ships.
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.11.19 23:21:00 - [17] I have two Hurricanes: 1. Close-range "enhanced pat down" model with armor plate, 9km scram, web, neuts, and 425mm guns. 2. Fast-moving "heavy vagabond" with shield tank, 24km point, 180 or 220 autocannons with barrage and tracking enhancers. Both types work well, but they're different. You've come fairly close to the first one. ...
Ralnik Alpha Squad	Posted - 2010.11.19 23:35:00 - [18] Edited by: Ralnik on 19/11/2010 23:46:11 Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Ralnik This is not true.. I run dual med neuts on my Canes and with MWD "off" the cap lasts over 5 minutes and with MWD "on" it lasts over a minute and a half. Meaning if pulsing the MWD you have way more than enough cap to kill most active tanked ships. That's true. Pardon me from speaking from my own previous failures, then. I'm no PVP god by anyone's standards (and have a crap record, to save you the trip to BC). But what I have learned though is that almost no one starts a fight at 100% cap. And that the people smart enough to use active tanks properly in PVP assume they'll be under neut pressure in some shape or form in most fights. If I were in a Sleipnir, I'd neut a shield Cane (and probably an armor one) right back and pace out my charges. Tanky Myrms keep on repping with a medium neut or two on them by managing their charges right. Gangs change things though, and it doesn't matter how long you can sustain your modules if you have buddies helping you out. What might have been better to highlight is that having one medium and one small neut does not turn you into an instant slayer of active-tanked PVP fits. The Cane's neuts work best at breaking tackle of smaller ships. You are assuming far too much of the average EVE players. Most will not properly manage their caps and will quickly run out of charges. Not to mention that a non-buffer fit ships using active tank will "quickly" melt under the pressure of a high DP BC fitted with 2 Med neuts. Remember, that with 2 Med neuts you always stagger them which means you are draining their cap every 6 seconds. A single T2 Med cap recharger gives a charge every 12 seconds meaning you will be draining more than they can re-gain and on a dual cap injected Myrm set up, will have no buffer to save it, but it has the possibility to kill a dual neuting Cane "if" the pilot is good, but those guys are sadly few and far between. My other toon flys Myrms and I can think of only a handful of fights that have lasted long enough for me to burn through all my caps. The advantage you have with the shield fit is you have the ability to test their tank prior to getting into neut range. Personally, I only get with-in neut range when I'm certain I will need to use them or once I'm ready to go in for the final kill. As for a Sleip, I'd never attempt to fight one in a Cane unless the pilot was a total noob. It's just not a typical target and very rarely would you find one solo anyway.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.19 23:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Ralnik You are assuming far too much of the average EVE players. That's probably true of me in general. The rest makes plenty of sense and I withdraw my criticism.
MLG Infinity	Posted - 2010.11.20 02:59:00 - [20] So if you guys disprove of the nuets, can I see your fit? Maybe with a Nos? Copy and Paste mine and edit it to what you would fly

Fighteros FInales	Posted - 2010.11.20 04:02:00 - [21] [Hurricane, Dual Neut Plated Hurricane] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.11.20 11:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Fighteros FInales [Hurricane, Dual Neut Plated Hurricane] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1 hmmm ... very inspirational .... never thought about it, but it might make some difference WE ARE in STASIS NOW!
Target Painter	Posted - 2010.11.20 12:05:00 - [23] Edited by: Target Painter on 20/11/2010 12:11:54 Originally by: Gladys Pank Genius. Not an empty quote. Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I have two Hurricanes: 1. Close-range "enhanced pat down" model with armor plate, 9km scram, web, neuts, and 425mm guns. 2. Fast-moving "heavy vagabond" with shield tank, 24km point, 180 or 220 autocannons with barrage and tracking enhancers. Both types work well, but they're different. You've come fairly close to the first one. 1. Are you using a 1600mm plate? And without fitting rigs? 2. Why the downgraded ACs?
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.20 15:23:00 - [24] Originally by: MLG Infinity So if you guys disprove of the nuets, can I see your fit? Maybe with a Nos? Copy and Paste mine and edit it to what you would fly I actually think they're a good idea. I'd cram double neuts in the highs as well. The only thing I disapproved of was thinking they would ruin an active tanked PVP fit's day of a ship the same size...but it seem I was wrong. Basically, looks good, go kill some fools.
MLG Infinity	Posted - 2010.11.20 15:54:00 - [25] Thanks for everybodys help on this, I learned quite a bit, see you out there.
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.21 00:51:00 - [26] Edited by: I likegirls on 21/11/2010 00:51:37 I don't have eft at work, and I haven't fit out an armor cane in a long time. Are you able to squeeze a medium neut or two on there?
sYnc Vir Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.11.22 00:53:00 - [27] [Hurricane, New Setup 2] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Power Diagnostic System II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II ECCM - Ladar II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Warrior II x5 Thats the best I could think off, though I doubt anyone would use T2 rigs on a Cane because of how stupidly they are priced. I wish CCP would do something about that. Saying that, with the right skills you can fit that. Or you can cheat and add in some implants to ease the fit. Blow me and the 220s I just nailed you with.
Jones Bones Heretic Army	Posted - 2010.11.22 03:09:00 - [28] So many terribad fits, so little time to troll.
oldmanst4r Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.22 16:22:00 - [29] So much suck....in one thread. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
eek amouse	Posted - 2010.11.22 21:59:00 - [30] yea, just use mine. i use neuts, personally. and ecm drones. i like the shield cane, though.



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