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Missus Malaprop
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:03:00 -
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First I was like: "Oh, a list of the Top 500 supercomputers, I bet EVE is Top 10!" Then I was like: "Oh, EVE is not even on the list?" *sadface*
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Dhaul
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:07:00 -
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Those "supercomputers" are used for scientific research and calculations, not hosting a server. There's a big difference.
For hosting it's better to have a bunch of regular servers (like TQ is) than one supercomputer. Just ask Google.
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:11:00 -
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Yeah but look at the world it creates...
Isn't it just SUPER!? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:14:00 -
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The last three places of the "top 500" have 5392, 5856 and 3624 cores respectively (Xeon 2.6GHz or 2.5GHz). Devblog with conveniently organized list of blogs at the end, out of which the most relevant one is near the very end, namely this where it clearly says "280 total Cores". So... they'd need a cluster 20 times larger just to make sure they might have a chance to get in the next "Top500".
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:15:00 -
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And here I thought EVE ran on a Super Nintendo...
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:16:00 -
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Picture of the Tranquility Server.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Missus Malaprop
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:20:00 -
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Well thats unfortunate.
I could have sworn that EVE was like #8 on one of these lists a few years ago.
Guess I'll have to readjust my view of CCPs servers in the scheme of things.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 19/11/2010 18:22:54
Originally by: Barakkus Picture of the Tranquility Server.
Before I open this there is say a 75% chance that it is a Hamster on a wheel or a very outdated computer and around 25% that it is the TQ Server.
Lets see!
Edit and the winner is a Computer from 1988, very funny bet no one was expecting that!
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 19/11/2010 18:28:30
Originally by: Barakkus Picture of the Tranquility Server.
Before I open this there is say a 75% chance that it is a Hamster on a wheel or a very outdated computer and around 25% that it is the TQ Server.
or a trollwanting to be funny...-.-'
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Picture of the Tranquility Server.
Made me chuckle
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MinerRif
Amarr Long Dong Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:42:00 -
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he he
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2010.11.19 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Before I open this there is say a 75% chance that it is a Hamster on a wheel or a very outdated computer and around 25% that it is the TQ Server.
Or maybe something like this
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.19 20:49:00 -
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lol I know of a company that was still running an AS400 up until about 18 months ago, now they use windows server 2008 to provide the thin clients with a backbone. --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:14:00 -
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I has a RS6000 standing next to me... it's been there for 3 years now - maybe I should get around to throw it out soon...
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:37:00 -
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Picture of dev computers.
This picture of how the devs interface with the server.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Phook lol I know of a company that was still running an AS400 up until about 18 months ago, now they use windows server 2008 to provide the thin clients with a backbone.
I read an interview with one of the previous CEOs of Activision where he said he actually conned the repo guys that came for their stuff into taking some old AS400s instead of whatever it was they were actually using at one point early on in the company's history.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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TechThree
Red Rocket Uranus Probers
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Picture of dev computers.
This picture of how the devs interface with the server.
Do Not Want.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:48:00 -
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The tests to determine how the super computers rank take a day or so of running. We would have to take Tranquility offline for over a day to test it and even if we did place on the top 500 list it wouldn't be worth the down time.
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Picture of dev computers.
This picture of how the devs interface with the server.
What is great is that machine has a two button mouse. <insert bad Mac joke> Ugg sorry couldn't help it....
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Drakarin
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.19 22:09:00 -
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It goes to show that regardless of where the Tranquility server is now, there's room for improvement, and when it comes it'll run that much smoother.
Even with twice the cores it has now, I could imagine there'd be a massive difference.
Does anyone have an idea as to how much the Tranquility server is worth, rough estimate wise? (If you combined the value of all the parts in it).
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.19 22:15:00 -
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Unfortunately, the definition of "supercomputer", and those rankings / lists, are very concerned about processor power and intensive calculations, and I have a feeling that EVE's servers are optimized for handling large databases and sending information off to the internet (to us) without lag, rather than CPU power. Which is why, even if they had the exact same number of nodes as those supercomputers, the EVE server still wouldn't be on the charts. It's simply optimized for a different thing.
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TriadSte
Gallente Adeptus Arbites
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Posted - 2010.11.19 23:41:00 -
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Right time for dumb question but i dont know the answer
TQ runs from a 4GB Fibre line, yet we lag?
How and why?
Surely 4GB per sec is a massive amount of bandwidth especially when its in a datacenter with proper servers?
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2010.11.19 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte Right time for dumb question but i dont know the answer
TQ runs from a 4GB Fibre line, yet we lag?
How and why?
Surely 4GB per sec is a massive amount of bandwidth especially when its in a datacenter with proper servers?
If you are referring to the nullsec fleet battle kind of lag, it has little to do with the connection speed and considerably more to do with the node not having the raw processing power to be able to handle that number of pilots at once.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr Retired Gunslingers
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Posted - 2010.11.20 00:05:00 -
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All those pictures of ozom machines...Amiga 500..AS400...RS6000....definetly those were best in their generation.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.11.20 00:29:00 -
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CUDA farm!!
280 machines/cores with 4 gfx cards each, while requiring its own powerplant, could save us from the lag!!...?
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Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 00:46:00 -
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How to fail : - Tell CCP to get more bandwitch because that's obviously the reason of lag - Tell CCP to use GPU power on servers that don't have graphic cards and on a system that can hardly benefit from it - Think you're better than CCP and can fix lag on your own
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.20 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kendon riddick CUDA farm!!
280 machines/cores with 4 gfx cards each, while requiring its own powerplant, could save us from the lag!!...?
Man, if I had a nickel for every time someone suggests GPUs for TQ's processing problems.. LOL.
It won't work as.. 1) The client has to do the same calculations as the server for the space simulating part of the code - Destiny engine. Not all of us have Nvidia chips in their computers. Maybe in some years with OpenCL.. who knows. 2) The problem TQ got for raw processing power in fleet fights is that the code can't be parallized more yet (1 solar system per core is best you can get).. CCP is doing what they can to get us further, read Dev Blogs from CCP Warlock if you want to know how/why/where/when. New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker |
Cyber Blue
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.20 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Hoo All those pictures of ozom machines...Amiga 500..AS400...RS6000....definetly those were best in their generation.
I still have my Amiga 500. I just can not get rid of it.
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xeno1008
Paragon Group
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The last three places of the "top 500" have 5392, 5856 and 3624 cores respectively (Xeon 2.6GHz or 2.5GHz). Devblog with conveniently organized list of blogs at the end, out of which the most relevant one is near the very end, namely this where it clearly says "280 total Cores". So... they'd need a cluster 20 times larger just to make sure they might have a chance to get in the next "Top500".
Might reduce lag.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Picture of dev computers.
This picture of how the devs interface with the server.
I used to have that mouse! It was so good and actually really comfortable! Nostalgia overload! -omg-
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:33:00 -
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My laymans understanding that differentiates EVE's server cluster from top500 supercomputers is that EVE's servers have to serve and handle many many small IO requests concurrently. Whereas I assume top500 supercomputer applications are huge amounts of data that are processed in a predictable orderly way. For example a big fight in 0.0 will put stress on a particular node in the server farm. Creating lag for the EVE end user. This does not happen for top500 supercomputers as there are not 40,000 concurrent users. Just one 'user' - a chosen application.
In my geeky computer den I have an Amiga 1200. When I was a kid I was in such awe of Amiga computers for their amazing power compared to 8-bit computers.
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