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Kye Do'lan
Gallente Big Dragon Smelting and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:02:00 -
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Come on......I mean 45 mil isk per clone at 120 mil sp....make it cheaper please [img]http://eveboard.com/ub-cache/225413846-36.png
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DrMcNiinjja
Exiled.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:07:00 -
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See it as a Tax for the Highly Educated, :p
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:13:00 -
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it only gets better -----------
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Do'lan
Come on......I mean 45 mil isk per clone at 120 mil sp....make it cheaper please
it's not their fault that you never stopped training ..
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:31:00 -
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Does make cheap pvp kinda pointless...
I mean why should there be a punishment for playing the game for a long time...what kind of a ****ed up mechanic is that
ahh...what's the point...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 20/11/2010 16:48:44
Originally by: Kye Do'lan
Originally by: Atius Tirawa Come on......I mean 45 mil isk per clone at 120 mil sp....make it cheaper please
it only gets better
Now isnt that the truth...
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:43:00 -
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Consider it a balance to the far more frequent (and equally inaccurate) arguement that the longer you've played (and the more SP you have) then the bigger advantage you have in any form of PvP.
Not to mention greater earning power to recoup that cost, and better equipment to avoid the loss in the first place. So really, 45M should be a drop in the ocean to a pilot with resources anything like in synch with having 120 million SP.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:54:00 -
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There was a thread about this very same topic half a year ago and it didn't end well for the highly educated with the wish for bargain clones, afair.
Clone Costs - Punishing veterans for continuing to play their main?
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Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
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Posted - 2010.11.20 17:55:00 -
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45 mill
Let me see, a rack of +3 implants cost that much. And how much does a Rack of +4's or +5's Or better yet lets talk about the cost of the named implants and what is lost when you get podded.
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Korizan Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
Which why some players choose not to engage in PvP and get affectionally called carebears. There's the clone price. Then there's the implant price. Losing a pod can easily cost you in excess of 100 million ISK, and afaik 500+ million combat implant pods aren't that much of a rarity nowadays. Now then add a well fit T2 ship (because they're more effective at what they do and offer better protection), and losses start to hurt financially quite a bit.
Some people just suck at making ISK and don't have such an amount of disposable income. People who do tend not to share their wealth, instead just opting to shout "lol, l2p" in the forums. For me, I suck at industrial stuff, I suck at trading, my only real way of income is missioning/ratting. Starts to become pretty boring doing PvP when you have to grind missions for a week to recoup your losses.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tyburn Stannis Consider it a balance to the far more frequent (and equally inaccurate) arguement that the longer you've played (and the more SP you have) then the bigger advantage you have in any form of PvP.
Not to mention greater earning power to recoup that cost, and better equipment to avoid the loss in the first place. So really, 45M should be a drop in the ocean to a pilot with resources anything like in synch with having 120 million SP.
But thats wrong isnt it. A player with 120 million sp is not neccesarily better than a 40 million SP pilot. The diminishing returns ensure that. The only thing that usually makes a older pilot better than a new pilot is the pilots gaming experience itself, and as such you get penalized longer you play the game
Its not that I dont think there should be a clone cost. I think that is a good thing. A clone should cost; Death should cost. But to a limit. When we are speaking tens and up to hundre million ISK for each pod loss, then we are seeing the pod pilot severely hampered, because this cost comes in addition to the module and ship loss.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 20/11/2010 18:11:05
Originally by: Korizan 45 mill
Let me see, a rack of +3 implants cost that much. And how much does a Rack of +4's or +5's Or better yet lets talk about the cost of the named implants and what is lost when you get podded.
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
The alternative is often ship spinning or empire hugging, and we should not advocate that, should we?
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:19:00 -
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The high end clone prices are completely ret arded.
Once you hit 20-30 mill sp increasing youre skill points does not increase how well you earn isk.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 20/11/2010 18:50:54
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 20/11/2010 18:11:05
Originally by: Korizan 45 mill
Let me see, a rack of +3 implants cost that much. And how much does a Rack of +4's or +5's Or better yet lets talk about the cost of the named implants and what is lost when you get podded.
Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
The alternative is often ship spinning or empire hugging, and we should not advocate that, should we?
As a matter of fact this is a question I have thought about myself. At what point do I stop training skills in favor of creating another character ? I actually do believe in the current system as it stands now and the cost incurred on high SP players (even thought this effects me personally), granted not to the amounts of the OP but it does make me ask the question how long till I stop.
Some find the solution in Capitals others retire them to station activities but all together you get to the point where even though you can fly that interceptor it really isn't preferred when you look @ the odds of getting podded and of course there are those out there that have the ISK and this whole thing is a mute point.
Just like general in RL life once your experience gets to a certain level you stop being on the front lines as your skills are too valuable to lose.
Funny enough I don't post on the threads about noobs complaining about that lack of their ability to compete cause I know @ some point they will be in the same boat as the older players and they will see the argument from the other side and it is not all a bed of roses.
So YES we should except the fact that having more skill points comes @ a price, and there comes point where it is better to send out the reckless youth to the front lines and guide them in there conquests and sometimes when it isn't enough, you just have to do it yourself and show them how it is done.
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:53:00 -
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Stop Getting Killed. -------------------------------------------------- Learning skills are an ultimatum, not a choice. |
Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:54:00 -
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You are not supposed to be losing pods all the time if you played the game this long, Unless you just do PVP in nullsec when bubbled.
But you really don't need to be training the same character in this account after this much skillpoints.
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer Stop Getting Killed.
Would you like to enable concord in null then?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 20/11/2010 19:11:03
Originally by: Black Dranzer Stop Getting Killed.
Cool! Since I dont want to die, Could you please tell me how its very important to me since I for just 30 minutes ago bought a clone for 30 million ISK
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Teinyhr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer Stop Getting Killed.
Good point.. Excpet this is EVE. You WILL die. Sometime, sooner or later. You will die. And you will die again.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:15:00 -
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45 million isn¦t that much compared to a fitted ship¦s cost let alone good implants (125 mil a piece). How many times a day do you expect to be podded then?
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Verloc Nostromo
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling How many times a day do you expect to be podded then?
That depends on the lag.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:27:00 -
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That's 20 minutes of ratting with 1/4th the SP.. ------
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R
That's 20 minutes of ratting with 1/4th the SP..
Had it been just ratting for clones, it would not be much of a problem. But you need money for other things too, like ship and modules, and ships mostly costs from 100 millions and upwards, and then modules for basically about the same. So a loss can be ships+modules+clone = 100 million + 100 million + 30 million which ends on 230 million ISK for a lightweight t2 vessel with fittings.
Now 30 million does not sound very much compared to losing the 200 million, but still, it adds to the pile of expense. And 30 million IS lots of money.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Jack Abramof
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:13:00 -
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stop training your char, train regularly another char on same account an sell him. Unless you like to fly cap ships, once youve got 2 or 3 racial bs to 5 with their T2 large guns and all support skills to 5, whats the point to keep him in training anyway ?
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