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Veryez
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:53:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I Faking Love The Mining Barge changes. I love them to death, and all night long.
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
I'm not going to attack you or question your genealogy. As other's have said, you had ample warning, but chose to ignore it. Give it 6 to 12 months, prices should stabilize, but I suspect they won't end up where they started.
What's more important is what did you learn from this?
EvE is a PvP game, and that doesn't just mean targeting someone and pressing f1. Market PvP is perhaps even more cutthroat than FiS. You need to constantly read the forums, log into sisi, and search the internet for the one advantage that will swing things in your favor. Knowledge is power, as a miner you have ample time to do the above. If this doesn't interest you, then you really have no cause to complain, because what you are really asking for is that someone who did all the research, logged into Sisi, saw and evaluated the changes, then implemented a plan on TQ (and yes took a chance) shouldn't be rewarded for all their extra efforts.
No real EvE player is going to agree with that.
So if you learned something, then this was a very valuable expansion for you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4449
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:03:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:I On the subject of worth: while the price of a Hulk is so far unchanged, the price of a Skiff or Mackinaw have essentially blown the roof off of their previous limits and into high orbit. (Especially dat Skiff, from under 50 to over 200 as of right now!) So any players that just happened to have one of these ships gained a huge net worth while Hulk players gained nothing, essentially a loss. (Unless I missed the part in the patch notes where it says all Skiff owners now take on a 150million ISK debt to CONCORD.)
Prices are always going to fluctuate severely so soon after a patch -- let the market play itself out for a day or so. The reason that the prices went so high is because of the demand generated by the new changes. Everybody wants one, so the price is going to jump as ship-builders take advantage of it. (Just because Hulk players gained nothing doesn't make it a 'loss', by the by -- they aren't having anything taken away from them, after all. It's just that demand for the Skif and Mack outstrip the demand for the Hulk.) When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.
When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:09:00 -
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"I didn't keep myself informed, now I want ISK for my ignorance." I don't want to live in a world where this makes the least bit of sense; mostly because flying pigs terrifies me. |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:When CCP boosted on-grid probing and made my sniper zealots useless overnight, guess how much compensation I got?
You could have applied for the same compensation program that the Miners have available.
Rt. Click > Self Destruct EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.08.09 06:18:00 -
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HTFU
and learn from your mistake and find these threads ahead of time http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
26
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:21:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote: there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest.
For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law).
Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense' (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law). |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
33
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Posted - 2012.08.09 07:34:00 -
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next time go read the forum ..... |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:21:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote: Then allow me to make this perfectly clear for everyone. I don't have a problem with waiting and buying another mining barge for my ugly self. I do have a problem with a gaming company directly punishing/rewarding a player choice based on information that was not going to be seen by everyone. I'm sure a bunch of people are very happy for that free 150mil they were just handed. Now where's that guy whining at me about "Letting the players control the game". Uh-huh.
Since you ignore the updater you should maybe commit this to memory for next time:
1. Go to top of this page 2. Click dev blogs 3. Click on 'Patch Notes' on the left hand nav
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
270
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:40:00 -
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I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:40:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote: there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Weasel is technically correct -- ex post facto laws are forbidden by the US Constitution, which contains protections against arbitrary arrest. For those interested, an 'ex post facto' law (from Latin, meaning 'after the fact' or 'from after the action') retroactively changes the legal status of certain actions. It may make a punishment more severe, or change the conditions of a criminal action (making an action that was previously legal a violation of law). Since the US Constitution expressly forbids 'ex post facto' law, no US citizen may be charged with a crime if the action they were undertaking was legal at the time of the alleged 'offense', regardless of whether the law has changed (though they may still be charged with related offenses, if they fall within the scope of currently-applicable law).
Even if there were a law called "Ex Post Facto" that prohibited what the constitutional provision (and UN Declaration of Human Rights) prohibits, the OP interpreted it wrongly (saying that it protected criminals from recent changes, not future changes).
And even if it did cover recent changes, it wouldn't be applicable because nobody's being punished. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:54:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you.
And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads.
Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
415
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Posted - 2012.08.09 08:59:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts
because rets cost pocket change, only have 5% less yield than a mackinaw, and nobody is going to pay all that extra cash for ~7.5k cargo space unless they've got nothing better to spend isk on. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
415
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:00:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:If you don't read patchnotes you deserve whatever is coming to you. And the dev blogs and dozens of forum threads. Some miners seem to have been living under rocks, not just mining them.
well living under a rock certainly is a new approach at avoiding gankers, i'll give them that. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
417
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:45:00 -
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OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.
There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
9381
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:50:00 -
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What a great thread. I liked the OP, because it made me laugh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Pipa Porto
653
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Posted - 2012.08.09 09:58:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:OP, sometimes CCP pwns us. You have to accept it and move on.
There is no sandbox, just God screwing you without the decency of a reacharound.
Someone's upset that his favorite shipclass got buffed. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:07:00 -
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No. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:12:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:I think the elephant in the room (eve forums ) is soon going to be soon why all the retrievers are populating all the belts
because ganking rettys is still fun? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
440
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:22:00 -
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OP,
You do realize that for high-sec mining using a T1 barge is a very except-able option now ? If anything the T1 barges should be flying off the shelves.
And the best part about a T1 barge. On the slim chance that it gets ganked, who cares just grab another one.
And the odd part about the whole market right now is that Hulks still give the best yield so why switch out ?
So I am a bit confused why the markets are even going nuts right now there is no reason.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
90
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:38:00 -
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****. Off.
That's all I have to say. |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
475
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:51:00 -
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Will admit The irony was a good laugh
CCP updated the ships around people who fail to tank there ships properly and then someone asks if they can get reimbursed for fitting cargo expander rigs on a barge rather than a tank. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
83
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Posted - 2012.08.09 13:52:00 -
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No matter how much you give people, seems like there's always someone who feels entitled to more
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4451
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:04:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:OP,
You do realize that for high-sec mining using a T1 barge is a very except-able option now ? If anything the T1 barges should be flying off the shelves.
And the best part about a T1 barge. On the slim chance that it gets ganked, who cares just grab another one.
And the odd part about the whole market right now is that Hulks still give the best yield so why switch out ?
So I am a bit confused why the markets are even going nuts right now there is no reason.
I think perhaps you mean "acceptable"? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Shinzok Knowledge
Rock Paper and Scissors Company
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:40:00 -
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Would it maybe be possible to have the Cargohold Expander Rigs reimbursed on our mining ships, (ofcourse against normal prices from one of the trading hubs).
That would make the transition alot easier |
Pipa Porto
671
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:20:00 -
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Shinzok Knowledge wrote:Would it maybe be possible to have the Cargohold Expander Rigs reimbursed on our mining ships, (ofcourse against normal prices from one of the trading hubs). That would make the transition alot easier
Rigs have never been reimbursed so long as they still work on the ship*. Cargo Rigs still provide some benefit to Hulk pilots, so they're not gonna get reimbursed.
Otherwise, can our friendly Shield Titans get their Nano rigs Reimbursed, etc.
*The one time that I know of Rigs being reimbursed was when Bombers were switched from using Cruise missiles to Torpedos, and CCP reimbursed Rigor rigs and the like (that don't provide any benefit to Torpedos). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
369
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:42:00 -
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This thread is about being AFK.
"I'm an AFK miner. I'm AFK from the forums. I'm AFK when everyone reads the patchnotes.
Give me free ships."
Lol no. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
332
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:43:00 -
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I bought a skiff and a procurer the day I first read about these changes. In EvE, the forums are half the game.
One thing I haven't read about though is what happened to the mining frigate? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2621
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:22:00 -
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"I don't like reading so CCP should fix something for me". (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:32:00 -
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Forum Harlot wrote:"I didn't keep myself informed, now I want ISK for my ignorance." I don't want to live in a world where this makes the least bit of sense; mostly because flying pigs terrifies me.
Hell, flying pigs (of the non police variety) would terrify me. You want fries with that? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2621
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Posted - 2012.08.10 20:37:00 -
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Depends if they fly into my frying pan every morning. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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