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James Marlow
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Posted - 2010.11.24 05:16:00 -
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Trying to gauge interest here. I'm having trouble making money with my Obelisk, and I think that's no doubt due to RF Freight's effective monopoly on the courier business. However, I think I can do them one better.
The idea is simple: Run daily contracts from Jita exclusively to the hubs. I'm based out of Dodixie, and would at first run only this route, and then slowly expand to Amarr, Hek, Ourselart, etc., etc. However, I would run them cheaper than RF.
Using their calculator, it's 5.75M to go from Dodixie to Jita- I would make this 4M, with similar cuts on the other routes. Same 1B cap on collateral. This idea is preliminary; what do people think?
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.24 05:27:00 -
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Off the top of my head Uedama is the 0.5 system on that route that all the gankers congregate in so do keep an eye on that collateral cap.
Other than that, can't offer any advice - go for it and see if it works out for you.
Perhaps try for other selling points other than price if you can avoid it rather than racing to the bottom. Or you could see if RF need any help - if you can't beat them, join them.
One thing though - RF neither have a monopoly on the courier business (that lies in the hands of the contract system masses who will undercut far far more) and neither are they the cause of you having trouble making money with your Obelisk. Freighters only really make money when you've worked out what you're going to do with them to make money before you get one and only after you absolutely positively cannot do what you're doing any longer with a regular T1 indy.
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Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.24 05:35:00 -
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What's up with all the courrier contract threads ?
Also - RFF is far from having a monopoly - You can probably join RFF quite easily - Advertising for solo services on some hub-to-hub route at a cheaper price might get some interest, especially for people looking for fast delivery - With collateral system, being cheaper and at least as efficient should help to get clients on your own
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.11.24 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: James Marlow what do people think?
join Red Frog; do both.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.24 14:58:00 -
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Quote: - RFF is far from having a monopoly - You can probably join RFF quite easily
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:03:00 -
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RFF is actually pretty expensive hauling option. Cheapest way to do it is to simply put up a contract at a lot ower rate than rff and it will get moved anyway
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril RFF is actually pretty expensive hauling option. Cheapest way to do it is to simply put up a contract at a lot ower rate than rff and it will get moved anyway
To expand on this
RFF - little more expensive, but it will get completed yesterday.
Public contracts - cheaper, but god only knows when it will show up, usually at the last minute as they wait for more contracts to haul a full load.
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.11.24 19:36:00 -
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God, I hate hauling. But I only do any of it just to see if there is more in the contract than the collateral covers.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Deelicious
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Posted - 2010.11.24 22:50:00 -
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(Oops! I answered in the wrong courier-related thread. Re-posting here)
We're definitely not a monopoly. There are several other courier companies in existence, plus many solo haulers.
For those of you who are not aware: Red Frog doesn't actually make any money. All of the rewards go to the pilot. Pilots don't pay any fees or dues.
The problem with freighter work, as many aspiring haulers learn the hard way, is that when you make it your primary ISK source or corp focus, it becomes a JOB. It's one of the few services in EVE where the buyer actively dictates the use of the seller's game time. Mining, building, missioning, etc. are all done on your own time and, where goods are produced or traded, sold at your convenience.
To run a courier business, you have to be ready to move the stuff all of the time. If you want to the business to survive, then you have to actually make the runs, whether you feel like playing or not. Very few people want to log into or pay for a virtual job in a virtual world. The burnout and turnover rate for freighter pilots is incredibly high.
As for our rates, if you run the numbers on a per hour basis, it earns less than any other profession. Assuming you flew that Dodixie route ATK and assuming that you could line up a round trip, you could travel from Jita to Dodixie and back in an hour, which would get you 11.5 million. If you went Jita to Berta ATK, which takes a few minutes more than an hour, it would earn you 11.3 million ISK. Let me stress that is flying ATK. How many of you want to fly a freighter ATK for an hour? Sounds exciting, right?
BTW there aren't many round trips, so very rarely are you going to be able to maximize your runs. You will almost always be investing travel time moving to the next pickup. When the trip is into the ass end of the universe, you might have to travel an hour just to get to the nearest contract. Also, no one wants to sit in front of a screen flying freighters ATK for hours on end either. So that per hour amount is actually far less. You're also tying up a billion ISK collateral or so on every trip and earning, in this example, about 1% return (1/2 % for each Dodixie run) on your money. You'll note that that doesn't meet the general "X percent of collateral as reward" suggested by many posters in the many variations on the "courier rate" threads. |
Jenny Jihad
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Posted - 2010.11.25 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Jihad on 25/11/2010 00:39:18 RF freight isn't recruiting right now. They do open recruitment every now and then. I would make a corp with a fancy little name for what you want to do. With expedited, express, hubs or centers, 1000's of synonyms to work with in the name. Put up a thread in sell orders. Specialize in cheap fast deliveries between Rens, Motsu, Dodixie, Amarr, Jita then branch out from there.
RF puts a standard 3 day limit on their shipments you could put 1.
If things go well join the RF channel "Profits" and snipe all the people waiting for their recruitment to open up and recruit them for your corp on an alt to avoid potential bannage.
Other than that you can continue to copy RF's business model from there.
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.11.25 01:18:00 -
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Whatever happened to Mercurial Freight?
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.25 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: James Marlow Trying to gauge interest here. I'm having trouble making money with my Obelisk, and I think that's no doubt due to RF Freight's effective monopoly on the courier business. However, I think I can do them one better.
I own two freighters, and will be getting a third shortly.
Courier contracts are not the best way to make ISK hauling, unless you are purposely failing ones worth more than their collateral.
I buy low, haul, and sell high. There is an unlimited amount of stuff to make ISK off of this way. Focus on high m3 with good market volume (doesn't take much to fill a freighter) or small m3 but high trade volume items (you have to buy a lot, so you want to make sure it sells quickly).
It typically takes me anywhere from hours to a week to cash-out. The longer it takes, the less earned, and the more investment ISK you will need.
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Ave Volta
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2010.11.25 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Boogie Bobby Whatever happened to Mercurial Freight?
Burned out, very fast.
An on-demand, express freight service would be a horrible job. The more popular you get the less time you would have to do anything besides move contracts for increasingly demanding customers.
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Hax Zoidberg
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Posted - 2010.11.25 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Courier contracts are not the best way to make ISK hauling, unless you are purposely failing ones worth more than their collateral.
Listen to this man.
Anyone living solely off contract rewards is a fool. Any money you make from them is chump change compared to the ISK you can make in customs enforcement. Just this morning I accepted five couriers from one guy. Four of them are being confiscated after being found to be undervalued by a combined 1.2 billion. Obviously, smuggling of goods in high-sec space cannot be permitted and I do my part to help enforce the law. |
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