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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shirah Yuri Granted. Still doesn't change the attributes I'd use for such a person/question.
When somebody ever asks you to borrow 100, tell them "I can only give you 99", see how many look at you funny. I'll wait. You come back and tell us how it went.
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Shirah Yuri
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T When somebody ever asks you to borrow 100, tell them "I can only give you 99", see how many look at you funny. I'll wait. You come back and tell us how it went.
Now... where does that relate to free givings? Don't mix up things. Your rhetoric is fine. The actual argument lacks any substance. |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/11/2010 11:46:02
Originally by: Shirah Yuri The actual argument lacks any substance.
Then why bother having it at all in the first place ? You initiated that particular line of "reasoning".
Also, WHAT "free givings" ? I am getting 0.4 removed from each of the 4 more useful attributes and getting granted a single paltry 0.2 for the least useful of them all. As for the SP that I or anybody else have already invested in learnings, those are not "given for free" at all, they were earned fair and square, with the KNOWLEDGE that it would take roughly FOUR YEARS before I'd catch up to the rest that stopped one level earlier in their learnings as far as useful skills go, sacrificing time to train them, time in which I could have trained other useful skills. So, now, I get those "reimbursed", and I know that 8 years and a half down the road, I'd be worse off than I could have been before again. If I cared enough for an action with 4 years payoff delay, you bet that I still care to some degree about a 8 years reverse situation. _
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Shirah Yuri
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Then why bother having it at all in the first place ? You initiated that particular line of "reasoning".
The actual argument referring to your "loan" example. But... don't let us turn this discussion into a meta-discussion. Both you and I have better things to do. Well, I know i have :) |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:03:00 -
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I vote we just reduce Akita T's stats to 19/19/19/19/19...
You know, to keep his OCD under control.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I vote we just reduce Akita T's stats to 19/19/19/19/19...
You know, to keep his OCD under control.
CCP ban this post
Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 25/11/2010 13:21:54
Sorry for people who trained all V's in learning. Great for the majority of players who did basically what I did.
Don't be, people who have trained all learnings lvl V have gained lots and lots of sp's over you during the past years. And now we get an even bigger boost to our skills than you do. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Sader Rykane I vote we just reduce Akita T's stats to 19/19/19/19/19...
You know, to keep his OCD under control.
CCP ban this post
Why? It's funny. Did they already take Sarcasm lvl1 from you and replaced it with Austerity lvl5? New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker |
Ishina Fel
Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:37:00 -
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I agree with AkitaT. It would make more sense, AND look prettier!
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*goes back to arranging sharpened pencils by remaining length*
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane I vote we just reduce Akita T's stats to 19/19/19/19/19...
You know, to keep his OCD under control.
Make the proposal in the AH, I'll support it.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Shirah Yuri All in all, this discussion is very much like if I give someone, just for the heck of it, 100 Euros, and he goes asking "Oh, nice... but why not 200?!"
No, more like, you give somebody 99 Euro and he asks you "why not 100". Except you replace "Euro" with "Base attribute points".
Well my answer to that would always be something along the lines of "Well how about 0, you ungracious so-and-so?"
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:54:00 -
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You and your OCD both need to get over it. --Vel
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Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sader Rykane I vote we just reduce Akita T's stats to 19/19/19/19/19...
You know, to keep his OCD under control.
Make the proposal in the AH, I'll support it.
supported 99.99999%
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Evilan Altana
Moriar Libera
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:38:00 -
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I completely support it being 20/20/20/20/20 because the first thing i thought when seeing that 19 and seeing:
"which looks very pretty and sensible and planned, which is always nice when it happens by accident."
was well why not a little bit of intentional tweaking to make it nice and even.
Even though I had no intention of training charisma skills for anywhere near enough to justify almost any of my skill points, I had to because it wouldn't be even with the others.
My OCD also demands it, because otherwise its just lopsided.
FAKE EDIT: I have trained all 5's in learning on many accounts and the removal of learning skills is quite possibly the greatest news I could possibly read.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:03:00 -
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I agree simply because 202020202020 looks better than 20202020202019(WTEFF?!?!?)
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:06:00 -
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I think a better point to this is that currently with max skills you have 99.9 points for your attributes. CCP is aware of this and instead of rounding up to 100 points total they are rounding down to 99 points. They MUST have a reason for this but I cannot fathom what it could possibly be. Either way...I agree with the OP.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I think a better point to this is that currently with max skills you have 99.9 points for your attributes.
Well, it's actually max 97.9, but you get up to 2.5 extra from the interaction between "Learning" and implants (a +5 implant with Learning 5 trained acts like a +5.5 implant) for a grand total of 100.4 _
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I think a better point to this is that currently with max skills you have 99.9 points for your attributes.
Well, it's actually max 97.9, but you get up to 2.5 extra from the interaction between "Learning" and implants (a +5 implant with Learning 5 trained acts like a +5.5 implant) for a grand total of 100.4
Well if thats the case then we are going to be getting MORE points and everybody wins.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 26/11/2010 17:46:53
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi Well if thats the case then we are going to be getting MORE points and everybody wins.
I think you misunderstand.
NOW, we get up to a max of 100.4, not 99.9 as you stated... but AFTER this change we only get up to a max of 99.0 (plus, in both cases, the +25 max from implants before learnings come into play). The 100.4 is composed of 39 base + 50 raw learnings + 11.4 from "Learning" itself applied to all possible attribute sources (+3.9 from current base attributes, +5.0 from maxed learnings and +2.5 from full set of +5 implants).
In other words, on a completely maxed-out character, you had the potential for +61.4 to total attributes from learning skills. They are removing those, and giving everybody a flat 60 (12 in each of the 5 attributes). So the ONLY people that lose out on it (and ONLY very long term) are those with at least three L5 advanced learnings... which in itself is NOT a bad deal. The only nasty thing about it is the fact new players start with 99 attributes total, 20 in each attribute except charisma which is "stuck" at 19. So, the superior compromise would be to give a grand total of 100 base attributes instead of 99, which means the only people losing out are those that trained ALL learning skills to maximum (and since most people avoided L5 advanced charisma unless they really, really ran out of ideas, that's the best thing overall). Plus... it's symmetrical. Therefore good.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:50:00 -
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ok...so its a 1.4 loss not a .9 loss. lol...either way...I still agree with the OP.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:58:00 -
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The most hilarious thing about it all is that even if they DO grant us one extra attribute point for a grand total of 100 AND a free remap for everybody, I _still_ wouldn't bother remapping, because I will have 21/21/21/21/15 plus one unassigned point (all hail 3 charisma), which is subjectively better for me than the 21/21/21/20/17 I could remap to (17 being the minimum in any one attribute). _
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Zakonis
Caldari Goose Bite
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:23:00 -
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Well having OCD sucks big time. I use to have it really bad when I was younger. But 1 point and this now 4 page thread about 1 point. Well I think what they are doing is awesome. I don't really care about 1 point less in an attribute that we all, or most of us all don't really care about. If they are giving back all the skill points we spent in all the learning skills. Then I can't wait for this change! For several months I spent on an alt account learning all of the learning skills to lvl 5. Now I didn't learn all of the charisma skill and I'm missing 1 point in willpower. That comes to a total of 3,765,373 skill points! I for one welcome the change for I get to redistribute these babies!!! But if it isn't how I think it will be or they change it to not happen like this. I will cry and I'm a dude. Don't make me cry CCP, please?
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Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:41:00 -
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Was Akita T always this annoying? ___________________
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Strom Kryos
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Strom Kryos on 26/11/2010 18:54:31 Well.. I agree with you in a logical technical way.
BUT
Going on gameplay.. and the fact that the number of players that actually have all learning skills to +5 and all +5 implants .. either
A - Love the fact that they don't have to replace the (hundreds of) millions in implants when they get podded.
B - Sit in a station doing nothing (except) manipulating market prices.
I'm fine with the changes and accept them as they are.. if CCP have this all set why spend the time messing with it more.. let them go fix something more meaningful.
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night sentry
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: night sentry on 26/11/2010 22:06:15 agreed!!! I've spent 5 painful months training every learning skill to V, and the fruits of my labor was just beginning to take hold! faster training time than all the rest. And now CCP not only are you making all my suffering meaningless, since everyone is now the same, but ur taking away 1.4 attribute points that i've earned!!!
Insult to injury!!!
OUTRAGEE!!! I WISH YOU ILL CCP
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2010.11.26 22:13:00 -
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I too, got OCD. Srsly tho, some of us likes things structured. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Julienne Poirier
Gallente Nonya Endeavours
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Posted - 2010.11.26 23:20:00 -
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+1 for 5x20 plan
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Intigo Was Akita T always this annoying?
Most likely yes _
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 27/11/2010 03:12:35
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto You might be running some risks by letting Akita think he has a chance to influence CCP policy, but it's worth it.
Nah, if anything, anecdotal evidence would suggest they they do the exact opposite more often than not
Well yeah, that'd be my point. You're this bad now, how bad will you be if you think you have influence?
Originally by: Intigo Was Akita T always this annoying?
Lord yes. The problem is that he has this damnable knack for being right at the same time. Seriously, I think he was the first one to actually look at the moongoo changes in Dominion(and I include CCP staff in that), and he called it perfectly. He's the only person I've ever felt like accusing of being *too* analytical.
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Luminos
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Posted - 2010.11.27 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ANOTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTION : Boost attribute gains from implants by 10% too ! So a "+1" attribute would actually grant +1.1 (like it used to), and a "+5" would grant +5.5 Or at least by 6% (so 1.06, 2.12, 3.18, 4.24 and 5.3). ... but that wouldn't satisfy the OCD tendencies, so screw it.
I'm suprised your OCD didn't go nuts over the idea of changing the 20/20/20/20/19 to 19.8/19.8/19.8/19.8/18.7 to accomodate the redistribution of Learning V effects to the implants.
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