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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:51:00 -
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Ive been here a long time an im liking the change.
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 13:53:00 -
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Ive been a ***got a long time an im liking the change.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron Ive been a ***got a long time an im liking the change.
now you're just being a kid |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:26:00 -
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lol npc corp members are outraged in this thread |
Portmanteau
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 26/11/2010 08:41:23 Out with the old players..... I think that's the plan anyway though I an not for it, but cannot be against it. It does not matter what I think of it.
The old players are the ones who play in big fleet battles, and the clamor for more, and for fixing lag.
Few of the truly new players have been in large fleets and they know only of the game mechanics that support small fleets - that being the new scanning and the changes to other game mechanics. They don't know a "big fleet battle EvE".
Get rid of the people who want large fleet battles (that occur in 0.0 space and the participants are veterans) and they don't have to fix lag, lag that is caused by the new game mechanics for the new players.
my theory
new game mechanics will allow new players to fly ships used in big fleet battles much faster = ur theory is ******ed
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Riedle
Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron Ive been a ***got a long time an im liking the change.
I too enjoy hawt man-on-man action.
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Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:40:00 -
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LoL'z to all you Sr. players in the game.
Suck it for ruining Remaps for Plex. Nice job on denial of potential dollars for development in improving the game.
Suck it again for b*tching about learning skills change.
Seriously, leave the game. For each one of you @ss clowns that dissappears, 5 new players will start playing the game because CCP will be do more to really improve the most assanine game mechanics.
I lol'z twice at the fact that you don't want your corp/alliance mates to have better skilling ability because it will benefit you in fleet fights you selfish prick.
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:02:09 All i read here is: more, better, faster. Thats the wrong direction. Thats not EVE.
But keep whining and maybe someday we have a space wow. The thing you all are so desperate for.
@Grimpak: sorry
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Dissonance Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:02:09 All i read here is: more, better, faster. Thats the wrong direction. Thats not EVE.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:08:00 -
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GOD..
EVE-O forums were nice once, but now it's just a WASTE of time. Some people here are totally not worth reading.
Get a clue, this is AWSOME change for everyone, except trolls.
Everyone who trained 5/5 did benefit from faster training, and now they are getting refunded ALL THAT SP. Everyone who trained them partially did get benefits, and are getting SP back.
Everyone hate learning skills... We had to go through it to play, but we don't need to make all the potential players (even friends) to go through that pointless wall.
Don't come here saying that the learning skills are a nice learning curve to filter players, because if it were, eve wouldnt have so many old newbies.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:15:00 -
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To the OP,
The debates over, the keep them lobby had their chance and did not put any genuine reason for keeping them forward.
Majority of the community wants them to go, I believe CCP will be glad to get rid of them.
It's no longer a matter of if they go, they are going.
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:02:09 All i read here is: more, better, faster. Thats the wrong direction. Thats not EVE.
i lol'd
i lol¦d
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:18:00 -
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I've been around since 2007, which makes me a relative "noob" compared to the old farts who've been around since 2003 or 2004...
I can tell you that training learning skills damn near put me off this game completely. It was good advice from those who were in my first corp, and it paid off in the long run, but it is annoying to subscribe to a MMO and be able to do, well, NOTHING for weeks until you CAN train for stuff you want.
All of us who had learning skills trained got the benefit of having them for years. And we're not losing anything, we get the SP's back, PLUS generally faster training times. I never did bother to train the advanced learning skills to 5, so I actually am making out like a bandit on this change.
And, everyone needs to keep in mind that the longer EVE runs, the bigger the problem becomes of new players having a skill disadvantage to veteran players. This means that skill training has to become easier/some "cheat" has to happen over time to give new characters a head start. That is just reality, this game has to get new players to remain healthy, and periodic boosting of new toons is something everyone needs to accept.
Hell, I think this change makes it more likely I can talk some friends into getting into EVE, as they could be effectively flying in the "Drake Army" in under a month under the new system. Yeah, I still haven't quite accepted the idea of a Drake as a pvp ship either, but I digress. :)
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 26/11/2010 15:21:07
Originally by: Forum Guy To the OP,
The debates over, the keep them lobby had their chance and did not put any genuine reason for keeping them forward.
Majority of the community wants them to go, I believe CCP will be glad to get rid of them.
It's no longer a matter of if they go, they are going.
Indeed. Although I believe the CSM voted in favour with just a small majority, 4 vs 3 I think. But they represent the playerbase so yes, the comunity has spoken. What CCP is concerned, we have enough clues that they wanted to get rid of it a lot earlier (better new player retention) but the way to go was a concern for them as they wondered if the vets wouldn't ragequit.
But it's over now, there's no way they're ever going to come back. Get used to it.
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:23:30 No, plz let your friends where they are, if learnigs were really the criteria for them to play or not to play. Eve would be a better game if everyone who appreciates this change, would just leave.
And no its not a problem at all to get into eve even knowing the vets have 150 mio sp. You can fly a frig very fast and be usefull in it. Unlike every other game. Unlike every other game, in eve theres a relative small cap in regards of skilling one thing. If its V its V. No matter what. So youre as wrong as someone can be in this respect.
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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:22:00 -
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mmmmmmmm...... veteran tears....... de-liciousssssss.......
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron No, plz let your friends where they are, if learnigs were really the criteria for them to play or not to play. Eve would be a better game if everyone who appreciates this change, would just leave.
You still here? My god man unsubscribe already. This change isn't going away. Do your mental health a favor and quit if you hate the game and people who play it so much. What are you a masochist sheesh!
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:26:23
Originally by: Lillith Starfire
Originally by: Klatho Cron No, plz let your friends where they are, if learnigs were really the criteria for them to play or not to play. Eve would be a better game if everyone who appreciates this change, would just leave.
You still here? My god man unsubscribe already. This change isn't going away. Do your mental health a favor and quit if you hate the game and people who play it so much. What are you a masochist sheesh!
Thank you for caring.
edit: Luminak: Guys like you are the cancer in this world.
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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Klatho Cron
edit: Luminak: Guys like you are the cancer in this world.
Ahhhh... thank you. I plan to metastasize to every part of you gaming experience so that you just die and go away....
No, but really, Lighten up dude. After six months you won't even remember the learning skill were in the game. I can't, for the life of me understand why so many of you are blowing a gasket over this. Everyone trains the damn learning skills anyway. Maybe not to all 5's immediately, but eventually. Your getting your SP refunded, and now new players don't have to waste 2 months on the stupid learning skills. It's really a win-win.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:38:00 -
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@ all the whiners in this thread...
QUICK...CALL THE WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tac-Ops Commander |
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:38:22 @luminak Actually most people hadnt done it properly. So they were kind of relevant, and made a difference.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: John Mongrel Veteran Hell
mfw -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 26/11/2010 15:46:07
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:38:22 @luminak Actually most people hadnt done it properly. So they were kind of relevant, and made a difference.
The problems they caused out weighed any slight train advantage and at the end of the day it would have been slight.
Would you really want to keep that slight training advantage at the cost of losing new players due to those learning skills?
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Klatho Cron
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 26/11/2010 15:46:07
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:38:22 @luminak Actually most people hadnt done it properly. So they were kind of relevant, and made a difference.
The problems they caused out weighed any slight train advantage and at the end of the day it would have been slight.
Would you really want to keep that slight training advantage at the cost of losing new players due to those learning skills?
Hell yeah. Ask me anytime! We dont need more new players as we get now. EVE¦s growing ever since. The server cant handle even half the population we already got. As i mentioned somewhere else: if quality is above money, we dont need new players until 400 man fights are possible on a non reinforced node. Lag free i want to add..
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2010.11.26 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Guy on 26/11/2010 16:01:09
Originally by: Klatho Cron
Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 26/11/2010 15:46:07
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:38:22 @luminak Actually most people hadnt done it properly. So they were kind of relevant, and made a difference.
The problems they caused out weighed any slight train advantage and at the end of the day it would have been slight.
Would you really want to keep that slight training advantage at the cost of losing new players due to those learning skills?
Hell yeah. Ask me anytime! We dont need more new players as we get now. EVE¦s growing ever since. The server cant handle even half the population we already got. As i mentioned somewhere else: if quality is above money, we dont need new players until 400 man fights are possible on a non reinforced node. Lag free i want to add..
Well you just confirmed what I said awhile back about Vets probably not wanting new players to stay, because more players means more lag.
Edit: Not all vets of course only the keep them veterans.
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Zaratustra
People of Random Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:00:00 -
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I smell elitist rage that they don't feel superior anymore.
-People with learning skills have 5 years of improved attributes over others
-Those SP you spent time learning are refunded so you can spend where you please which is an EXTRA advantage since you got bonus SP from Skillbooks for 5 years AND the extra SP instantly
-Skillbooks were basically a time sink and isk sink
-You're all talking like the skillbooks were the only thing that made this game complicated. Seriously? Learning 11 skills to get stuff faster is what's going to make or break this game for you?
Contract your stuff, including your tears and wallet contents, to Zaratustra. I'll give it a good non-elitist home.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:01:00 -
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You didn't train the learning skills?
lol, your problem.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Luminak Narz on 26/11/2010 18:09:12
Originally by: Klatho Cron
Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 26/11/2010 15:46:07
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:38:22 @luminak Actually most people hadnt done it properly. So they were kind of relevant, and made a difference.
The problems they caused out weighed any slight train advantage and at the end of the day it would have been slight.
Would you really want to keep that slight training advantage at the cost of losing new players due to those learning skills?
Hell yeah. Ask me anytime! We dont need more new players as we get now. EVE¦s growing ever since. The server cant handle even half the population we already got. As i mentioned somewhere else: if quality is above money, we dont need new players until 400 man fights are possible on a non reinforced node. Lag free i want to add..
This is a very honest answer, and one that I bet many other long time players also agree with.
CCP: Take note of this. It is pointless trying to please these so called "bitter vets." They will not be pleased with any changes you decide to make, no matter how much your changes may enrich the game. And no seeing that they DON'T want you to increase your subscriber base, they really don't care about your financial success, and the ultimate longevity of the game. And what about their threats of quitting the game? Well, let's be honest about that too. They have NOWHERE to go. Are they going to start playing WoW, or FF XIV? Give me a break. They have too much identity wrapped up in playing the "smart" game, and think every other MMO is beneath them.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Originally by: Klatho Cron Edited by: Klatho Cron on 26/11/2010 15:02:09 All i read here is: more, better, faster. Thats the wrong direction. Thats not EVE.
i lol'd
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Karl Sieger
Sieger Trade and Heavy Logistics
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:16:00 -
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It's perfectly fair, because you didnt invest ~2-3 months of training to 5/5 so you don't deserve a full reimbursement. Seems like that increased training speed by 5/5 just wasn't worth it to you back then, why is it now?
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