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XDarkz
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:27:00 -
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I'm debating on whether or not to even invest on a amarr/minimatar hybrid. My brother wants Minimatar and I want Amarr, should we reconsider as in something like Minimatar/caldari or amarr/gallente? I mean of course it would take quite some time to train amarr/minimatar hybrid due to them both being two different catagories. So what should we do?
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mmmPork
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:30:00 -
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I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 26/11/2010 04:30:50 My suggestion is to choose one race and perfect it at least to the battle cruiser level before you even think about cross training.
Originally by: mmmPork I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
No one really cares.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 26/11/2010 04:35:21 Go minnie first as that races ships are more forgiving of low sp totals than amarr. Plus once you get all your supports up to snuff about the only thing you will need to cross train for amarr is the actual racial weapon systems and hulls.
Originally by: mmmPork I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
Letting your brother play with a character on your account is not the same as giving out your login details to someone who might not even live in your country let alone are related to you. I believe ccp actually encourages you to let your friends check out the game if they happen to drop by so they can be coerced into getting a trial and then eventualy their own account.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Go minnie first as that races ships are more forgiving of low sp totals than amarr. Plus once you get all your supports up to snuff about the only thing you will need to cross train for amarr is the actual racial weapon systems and hulls.
This also because they can be fit with cheaper and Grid/CPU modules. Such as Tech 2 EANMS, LSE, Warp Disruptors/Scrams and Nuets. There fitting is very forgiving to low skills even with Tech 2 Weapons.
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shinaide
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Letting your brother play with a character on your account is not the same as giving out your login details to someone who might not even live in your country let alone are related to you. I believe ccp actually encourages you to let your friends check out the game if they happen to drop by so they can be coerced into getting a trial and then eventualy their own account.
This. It always annoys me when people bring up that clause in the EULA. Its like people being anal about grammar; They cannot add to the discussion so they start citing rules and format. The clause is pretty much a standard one which you will find across many games. I don't know of any game that enforces it aside from preventing true account sharing/paid leveling services.
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XDarkz
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Posted - 2010.11.26 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Go minnie first as that races ships are more forgiving of low sp totals than amarr. Plus once you get all your supports up to snuff about the only thing you will need to cross train for amarr is the actual racial weapon systems and hulls.
This also because they can be fit with cheaper and Grid/CPU modules. Such as Tech 2 EANMS, LSE, Warp Disruptors/Scrams and Nuets. There fitting is very forgiving to low skills even with Tech 2 Weapons.
Very nice input, I'll consider training Minimatar until I'm ready to train Amarr ships. ______________________________________________________
Originally by: shinaide
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Letting your brother play with a character on your account is not the same as giving out your login details to someone who might not even live in your country let alone are related to you. I believe ccp actually encourages you to let your friends check out the game if they happen to drop by so they can be coerced into getting a trial and then eventualy their own account.
This. It always annoys me when people bring up that clause in the EULA. Its like people being anal about grammar; They cannot add to the discussion so they start citing rules and format. The clause is pretty much a standard one which you will find across many games. I don't know of any game that enforces it aside from preventing true account sharing/paid leveling services.
Also of course this debate gets annoying, it's not like I'm sharing it with someone across the world or on the forum, it's just there is just not enough spare cash to get around with two account. Might as well focus on one account for the time being until you can afford two accounts.
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Flesh Slurper
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Posted - 2010.11.26 05:45:00 -
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I started with Minmatar then cross trained to Amarr.
A lot of the skills cross over nicely: -Many of the gunnery skills -Armor tanking skills -The non-racial spaceship command skills like BC.
Also, you can use projectile weapons on a lot of unbonused Amarr ships.
Having both gives you a lot of flexibility. Just keep in mind that you will have to train both projectile and energy weapons, along with both race's ship skills. Training to large projectile V, large energy V, and both frigate and cruiser V's can take a while.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: mmmPork I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
CCP have made it clear on several occasions that family members in a household using accounts is not considered as punishable account sharing.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:37:00 -
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i would pick either or, if anything, caldari and minmatar, minmatar need shield and missile skills, or at least they help too be honest, all the support skills are used by all ships, its a matter of racial weapon and ship flying.
i would go strict minmatar they are good all around, pvp and pve, amarr are good pvp, pve is good as well but unless your fighting sansha, its a pain to fight
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:40:00 -
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minmatar, unlike what people have suggested, is the ***** of all races.
we have armor and shield tanking ships,
we have missile and gun skills,
we also require navigation skills, but that should be a must for all races.
if u train amarr, its lasers and armor, if u train caldari its missiles and shield.
if u train minni, u can open up to caldari quite easily, as well as the other two races, just requiring more indepth gun training in those respective lasers/hybrids.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: mmmPork I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
His brother could be a siamese twin, maybe they have an arm each and has brother has to hold down the shift key so he can enter in all those fiddly upper case and special characters. And then when on they have to pilot by committee.
Unlikely? Yes. But the very idea has made my morning a little brighter.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:46:00 -
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depends on what this guy wants to do though. i Like arty, very amazing alpha and many pirate ships use minmatar as a race.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: mmmPork I mean of course, implying that you share an account with somebody on the official forum is good and all...
Letting your brother play with a character on your account is not the same as giving out your login details to someone who might not even live in your country let alone are related to you. I believe ccp actually encourages you to let your friends check out the game if they happen to drop by so they can be coerced into getting a trial and then eventualy their own account.
Of course your ignore the fact thats why ccp has buddy invite system, so you dont need to share accounts against EULA. So you can send your brother a buddy invite, if he register that to full account, you get 30 days for free.
Think about it: you get 30 days for free, he gets 21 days + 30 days = 51 days for one month price.
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:59:00 -
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Amarr/Minmatar don't have as much cross over as some races as weapon choices are usually different as can the choice of tanking be.
Some of the main cross overs in races are: Amarr/Gallente - predominatly armor tanking, both have ships with strong drone requirements, both have small selection of ships that make use of missile skills a few missile skills but not a main focus. Caldari/Minmatar - many shield tanking skills (though minmatar have many armor tankers as well), minmatar tend to make use of missile skills as a secondary weapon more so than other races. Gallente/Caldari - both share hybrid weapons skills, gallente use some missile skills on ships such as tristan, celestis and megathron
With Amarr/Minmatar you have some Minmatar ships which are armor tanked so you get cross over there, also all races will generally require some drone skills and both have some ships which will make use of missile skills. In terms of getting strong in both races quickly you may find that focusing training on some of the common elements helps you out on both lines rather than trying to do armor and shield skills at the same time for example.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 26/11/2010 08:03:05
Originally by: Goremageddon Box minmatar, unlike what people have suggested, is the ***** of all races.
we have armor and shield tanking ships,
we have missile and gun skills,
we also require navigation skills, but that should be a must for all races.
if u train amarr, its lasers and armor, if u train caldari its missiles and shield.
if u train minni, u can open up to caldari quite easily, as well as the other two races, just requiring more indepth gun training in those respective lasers/hybrids.
Cept what Minmatar ship uses missiles effectively enough to warrent training.
Rifter, AC/Rockets(a whole 17 DPS ) Jaguar, AC/Arty Rupture, AC/Neuts Cyclone, AC/Neuts Hurricane, AC/Arty/Neuts Tempest, AC/Neuts Mealstrom, AC/Arty Vegabond, AC/Nuet
So pretty much the Typhoon the rest can be fit fine without them, maybe the Assault stabber but the Sheild Ruppy does it better and assaults are a week to use tech 2.
As for tank choose one or the other, then grind the rest later. You need Hull Upgrades V to be effective with Armour and Sheild Op/Tac Sheild/Sheild Upgrades IV to be effective with sheilds. Not much of a Grind to use Tech 2 and the fitting on most Ammar ships are bad enough anyway.
Ammar ships don't get good untill Tech 2 anyway. A lot are better off with Autocannons.
Punisher /better with AC Arbitrator /The good Cruiser Omen /Crap Fitting Maller /Better with Autocannons Prophecy /Better with Autocannons Harbinger /Good Battleships /Great for Blobs ok PVE
Against this line up
Rifter /Best Frigate especially Low Skill Stabber /Effective Kiting ship Rupture /best Cruiser out there, tank, DPS, Kiting fit with Neuts and full Drone bay Cyclone /Mean Active Tank Hurricane/ Ship everyone dies to the most. Typhoon/ Hard to fit but amazing. Tempest /Fast and can be Sheild or Armor tanked with selectable Dmg types. Mealstrom / The best solo Battleship and a Great Mission Runner
And they can be fit for lower skill are faster and by far the best Solo and in small gangs.
If you are gonna start somewhere this is the race.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Makko Gray With Amarr/Minmatar you have some Minmatar ships which are armor tanked so you get cross over there, also all races will generally require some drone skills and both have some ships which will make use of missile skills. In terms of getting strong in both races quickly you may find that focusing training on some of the common elements helps you out on both lines rather than trying to do armor and shield skills at the same time for example.
Well the thing is with the missile and shield side of the minnie training you don't really need any level 5 skills except maybe a couple of low rank 5's to get t2 launchers. Otherwise all level 4 missile and shield support skills work just fine and you can bang those out with a quickness. Hell I would say that once you get your shield and missile skills up to a decent level do a quick run to get caldari cruiser to 3 before you start on the amarr side so you can fly the drake as that is literally all the extra training it will take since the battlecruiser skill is race independant. Or just keep going and get caldari bs to 4 so you can eventually fly a nightmare or raven/cnr as the time involved is still minimal compared to the ships it unlocks.
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Farrisen
Caldari Cerbian Cerbian Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Farrisen on 26/11/2010 08:41:38 *just woke up* and i'm going to say yes, even before reading the thread
1 reason.
they both use gunz
mah 2 yawning cents
i'll edit this cause i just realized that not all minny ship uses armor tank *yawns again*
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:51:00 -
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Yes. If only because then you're blood raider capable and the cruor is just so happy to see you! Happy Cruor
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.11.26 09:45:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
On a side note, account sharing is indeed against the EVE Online EULA and may lead to all kinds of unpleasant consequences.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.26 10:09:00 -
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Go minmatar for a year or year+1/2, then go amarr if you so wish. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
On a side note, account sharing is indeed against the EVE Online EULA and may lead to all kinds of unpleasant consequences.
on a side note macroing and botting is against the EVE Online EULA and may lead to all kinds of unpleasant consequences. but it does not as another side note there is no way in hell you can find out which of family members is logged on so...
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tub Chil
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
On a side note, account sharing is indeed against the EVE Online EULA and may lead to all kinds of unpleasant consequences.
on a side note macroing and botting is against the EVE Online EULA and may lead to all kinds of unpleasant consequences. but it does not as another side note there is no way in hell you can find out which of family members is logged on so...
They could always adopt some blade runner style questioning.
Assuming on of the family members is a simulant they could tell at any point whether the current one was a simulant or not and thus the same player.
Hang on where was I going with this?
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2010.11.26 12:19:00 -
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From mmmPork's posts, CCP can ascertain that it's the red headed stepchild currently logged in.
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Anyura
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Yes. If only because then you're blood raider capable and the cruor is just so happy to see you! Happy Cruor
Now that right there is adorable.
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Gin'no Taki
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:03:00 -
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1) Train the runner 2) Run the missions 3) Activate another account for the ISK 4) Give it to your brother 5) Problem solved
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Mona X
Caldari Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:06:00 -
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back to topić: Amarr good, Minmatar good, Hybrids bad. :P
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:32:00 -
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Good things about the different combinations:
Amarr/Caldari: Sansha ships - the nightmare is one of the premium PVE ships, and you'll get the missile skills you need to run the Amarr missile ships. Hybrids are skippable since the best Caldari ships are missile ships. Amarr/Gallente: Many overlaps, skipping hybrids is do-able as Gallente has many drone-boats (though laser domi is not a good fit) - very similar skillset overall. No faction ships :( Amarr/Minnie: Blood raider ships - good for PVP. Some amarr ships like AC better than lasers - gives you great versatility especially in pvp (amarr are good where minnie sucks and vice versa) Caldari/Gallente: Gurista ships, hybrids are common weapon systems, some Gall ships like to shieldtank in some situations in spite of Gall beeing "armor race" Caldari/Minnie: Shield tank in common, many minnie ships also like missiles. No faction ships :( Gallente/minnie: Angel *and* Serpentis ships! Some Gall ships like to use projectiles, and sometimes shields. Skipping hybrids is an option though some Gall ships will miss them.
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Annoitte
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Posted - 2010.11.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: XDarkz I'm debating on whether or not to even invest on a amarr/minimatar hybrid.
Do it. Arbitrator + AC's + Armor Tank + Drones = Awesomesauce.
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hjgjgfgfgsj
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:12:00 -
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The ashimmnu is a prettyw wicked ship.
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