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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:43:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:highonpop wrote:CCP could just get rid on infinite respawns
TADA!
Problem solved That would certainly fix this particular issue yes. Wouldnt it have been a better move to release a statement saying that you are changing the way that certain plexes work to discourage 'unsavory-but-otherwise-legal' activities of a few players? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Zapson
The Companionship Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:43:00 -
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I'd like to see more entitlement for MMORPG customers, so that developers are forced to have a minimum standard of stability, otherwise you should be able to sue the hell out of them for banning you, just because they programmed the game terrible. It sounds harsh, but sometimes I just have to shake my head |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
337
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Except that the strawman you're presenting isn't the situation we're discussing or saying we're going to be handling and has no bearing or relevance on this particular discussion. We would not be having this conversation based on that activity.
Exactly!
You're making rules. When you make rules, those apply to new situations you didn't think of. That's what the GM team knows, and that's why they're very careful about making rules because they understand those rules apply in new circumstances unforseen at the time.
The GM team has rules and gives rules to players to allow them to shape their behavior so they don't get punished after the fact for something legitimate. Rules are a good thing: but rules get applied to more than just the situation that made you make the initial rule.
It's not an excuse to say "well, that is different and not what we're talking about". You're making a rule, and that means that it needs to hold up in circumstances you're not looking at right now. That's why it should be handed back to the team in charge of working with players to make rules, so they can make a clear rule for players and deal with the situation appropriately. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
988
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:44:00 -
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Bubanni wrote: You could simply make it so sentry drones got abandond or disconnected after 1 hour or so... that would fix the problem completly (and if people found a way around that, then they were cheating)
Disconnecting drones after an hour would suck for POS shooting or assigning fighters long-term and would probably cause a real uproar instead of this parade of hotheads.
I'm pretty sure I read that CCP were looking at ways to fix the problem too, and that this was the warning not to do it.
But then, one would have to read the entire news item to catch that part. Here's your sign... |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:44:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: It was edited once because people misinterpreted my comments to mean that we were banning activity that we aren't. This seems to still be the case. There is a very specific situation which caused this detection which is essentially warping into a particular cosmos plex at downtime, dropping your sentry drones, applying reps to them then leaving your computer until the next downtime. This is possible because in that particular room the drones respawn..
So warn the GMs, have them pay attention to that plex, and don't have the botting algorithm banning people for not-botting? This isn't botting, it's someone figuring out a spot where money rains down on you and standing in that spot. It's not botting, it shouldn't be considered botting, and if you need to get told "sorry we decided you can't stand on that spot" the GM team should be doing it. This is being delt with by Team Security because of a false positive: this should be used as a case study of types of false positives and the situation handled normally. Hell, it might be a good idea to tweak the algorithm to say "hey this guy appears to be making purely passive income but without botting" and use that to alert the GM team - but it shouldn't be banning a notbot as a bot.
The EULA does not say "you cannot bot" it says this:
Quote:You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
This falls under the bolded phrase. |
Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
414
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:45:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:cheese monkey wrote:Sreegs... Before you alienate your entire player/customer base i suggest you withdraw this and have a think a bit longer. The mere fact that u have edited it 3 times is negligence at best! Its ok to admit you were wrong and say sorry. If anything doing so would GAIN you some respect. It was edited once because people misinterpreted my comments to mean that we were banning activity that we aren't. This seems to still be the case. There is a very specific situation which caused this detection which is essentially warping into a particular cosmos plex at downtime, dropping your sentry drones, applying reps to them then leaving your computer until the next downtime. This is possible because in that particular room the drones respawn. This is going on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That is bad. If you haven't already heard from us then to date you haven't been doing it. However, there have been cases where people HAVE been doing this and complained that there was no announcement put out about it. Here is the announcement. This potentially impacts more than the one COSMOS plex which is why the specific COSMOS plex was not mentioned in the OP. Were I to mention it then they would move to a new plex and we'd be dealing with the same rage from them because THIS IS A DIFFERENT PLEX. So what your saying is you havn't banned anyone for doing this yet? Because people have been doing this for years (very few of cause can do it because of the limited amount of these sites) I think it's fine that CCP now decides this isn't okay anymore, and change the mechanics so it can't be done anymore, but as long as you don't ban anyone for using these simple game mechanics (drop drones, rep them, go afk) You could simply make it so sentry drones got abandond or disconnected after 1 hour or so... that would fix the problem completly (and if people found a way around that, then they were cheating) What I'm saying is that any bans that were applied (and they wouldhave been recent) will be undone but in the future they will not, as I stated in the news item. This only becomes a problem when it is abused.
That sounds fair enough :) as long all the "few" people doing it gets a heads up (not everyone reads the forums or login informations)
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CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
41
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:47:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Nobody ever said anything about passive income. Every example of passive income mentioned thus far has been designed purposely to be so. This was not. It becomes a security issue when it is egregious enough to be virtually identical to botting. The GM team is aware of this news item and the details and the game design team has committed to fixing the problem.
If you have some insight that I don't as to what is or isn't my team's responsibility however please feel free to clue me in because it seems to differ from that of my boss. There was no botting issue here. This was started by your algorithm thinking that someone was a bot, them challenging that, and the decision being made to decide they were a bot despite no botting software, macro software, game hacks, or the like. Instead of fixing the issue with the botting algorithm (suggested fix: if the client isn't sending server commands it's probably not botting because it's not doing anything), team security decided to take over running enforcement of edge cases where 100% legitimate game behavior allows for something the game designers decide is a bad idea. There's no good reason for team security to be involved because they don't know what has/hasn't been decided in the past, they don't have layers of review to handle hard cases fairly (if something's a hard case, like 100% legitimate game behavior doing something unexpected you want several sets of eyes on it reviewing it independently, such as regular and senior GMs). Team Security should deal with stuff the GMs are incapable of handling: botting detection, RMT, hacks, and the like that does not involve 100% in-game behavior. Things involving pure in-game behavior is what the GM team is designed to handle and it's their job to handle. As for the "designed/non-designed" thing (which is nonsense: half of EVE is about doing things that were not designed, from hotdrops to defensive SBUs), here's this: Say I idle in a NC. system with the name "down with goons" and a bio saying all donations go to fighting goonswarm in some verifiable way, say by a public api (though I keep a percentage, making it personal income). Every so often people go "damn straight down with those goons" and send me money. Am I a bot? I'm just parked in space, cloaked. I suspect I would be, because I'm logged into game making money and the combination of the two would trigger your algorithm (since it clearly doesn't take into account failing to send any commands at all to the server). Hell, I make passive income every day from simply holding various items that will appreciate in value: fortunately your algorithms don't detect that sort of thing or I might get banned for holding guidance systems as they steadily appreciate in value even if I'm unsubbed. Except that the strawman you're presenting isn't the situation we're discussing or saying we're going to be handling and has no bearing or relevance on this particular discussion. We would not be having this conversation based on that activity. The activity we ARE discussing is identical in every aspect other than involving a 3rd party piece of software to botting. Therefore, until Design can fix it we are not giving people passes when the sensors are tripped. This might be the 6th time I've said that in this thread.
I call bullshit! Yes those guys are asshats. But so are you, once again your banning people for playing the game. You're like the fat kid that changes the rules every time the game doesn't go your way. The Cartman of MMO's. Are you going to warn people when they enter plexes if they stay to long they'll be banned?
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2024
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:49:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: We aren't looking for that action. We're looking for bots. In this case the behavior is similar and it is being abused 24 hours a day. Therefore, we are treating it the same.
It's not a bot. It's 100% agreed its a NotBot. There's no reason for it to be treated as "the same" except that the algorithm to detect bots detected a NotBot as a bot. There was no reasoned decision to start treating cases like this where a NotBot is making money in a way that CCP has decided shouldn't be, and the bot detection algorithm changed to do so. Instead, the bot detection system decided a NotBot was a bot, and after proof was supplied the algorithm was wrong, the algorithm was redefined to be right. That's a bad policy and this should be given back to the GM team and the algorithm fixed.
The activity itself falls within the same philosophical context we place botting within. I get it you don't like it. You can't change that however. With botting we concern ourselves with more than the technical limitations but rather what types of behavior and automation we find unacceptable.
You can say that you prefer that we allow people to AFK farm complexes with sentry drones 24 hours a day and that's a position we'd disagree with, but it's a position.
It's really hard to respond with facts to completely made up scenarios so if we're to have a dialogue of this sort at any point in the future hopefully we can stick to what actually happened instead of how you've decided in your head the process went or how the reporting structure works. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Brokers Clone
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:50:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Brokers Clone wrote:...Stuff... Wait Watch rats spawn See drones kill rats... get bounty etc...etc...etc... Except that he stated mining then used ratting as an example, which would certainly still be detected and fall into the same category.
WOW.
Dude, I am beginning to think that this is an issue that is going to need CSM input.. I mean.... there are LOTS of cases where Rats spawn.... and lots of people sit and wait (at PC or away)
There are mining ships that mine all day long, unattended (with alts or team members lugging away can contents from time to time)
If ANY of this, NON-BOTTING, Activity is going to change, Fine BUT YOU NEED TO SAY SO IN 70 point Font, Everywhere And I think you might want to ring the CSM
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Octoven
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:50:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
And how many times have you been banned for this?
Obviously he hasnt been banned any since this new policy hasnt been implemented before today so why should he be banned? Yes, I see it the same way. I mean your account can sit there for 24 hours ratting belts and do nothing else. Just tank up and set the drones out on aggressive. Now your making bounty you can go out and have a dinner and a movie, do some shopping. I mean your making money on a mechanic that is never designed for passive income, should this be a bannable offense as well? |
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Lord Helghast
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
113
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:52:00 -
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If this is the case does that finally mean AFK Cloaking is also going to be an offense since it is affecting the game while completely away from the computer? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
989
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:53:00 -
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CARB0N FIBER wrote: I call bullshit! Yes those guys are asshats. But so are you, once again your banning people for playing the game. You're like the fat kid that changes the rules every time the game doesn't go your way. The Cartman of MMO's. Are you going to warn people when they enter plexes if they stay to long they'll be banned?
I don't think setting up your drone boat to make money all day while you go away and do something else is "playing the game".
You're like the angry kid that thinks rules are for other people and every rule ever written is out to get you.
...and yes, he is warning people like you said... go read the news item. It's a warning!
Derp
Here's your sign... |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2024
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:53:00 -
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Brokers Clone wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Brokers Clone wrote:...Stuff... Wait Watch rats spawn See drones kill rats... get bounty etc...etc...etc... Except that he stated mining then used ratting as an example, which would certainly still be detected and fall into the same category. WOW. Dude, I am beginning to think that this is an issue that is going to need CSM input.. I mean.... there are LOTS of cases where Rats spawn.... and lots of people sit and wait (at PC or away) There are mining ships that mine all day long, unattended (with alts or team members lugging away can contents from time to time) If ANY of this, NON-BOTTING, Activity is going to change, Fine BUT YOU NEED TO SAY SO IN 70 point Font, Everywhere And I think you might want to ring the CSM
And none of them fall within this category. Feel free to alert the CSM. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:53:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: You can say that you prefer that we allow people to AFK farm complexes with sentry drones 24 hours a day and that's a position we'd disagree with, but it's a position.
It's really hard to respond with facts to completely made up scenarios so if we're to have a dialogue of this sort at any point in the future hopefully we can stick to what actually happened instead of how you've decided in your head the process went or how the reporting structure works.
I don't really. I do have a problem with an automated system going rogue and banning people for things that are different than what it is supposed to ban people for, and that failure being redefined into a success. The proper method for dealing with this exists and I want that used both now and in the future.
If a GM had come out and said "we've investigated this and decided it shouldn't be allowed anymore", that'd be one thing. That happens - for example, pos bowling was legitimate and then after human review people decided it was a bad mechanic that needed to be banned until it was patched out. But players in that circumstance should have the ability to deal with a GM just like anyone doing anything else on the edge of the game rules but without violating the bots/hacks/macros/rmt rules.
And those rules should be thought about ahead of time (by humans) and then applied prospectively. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2027
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:56:00 -
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Octoven wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
And how many times have you been banned for this?
Obviously he hasnt been banned any since this new policy hasnt been implemented before today so why should he be banned? Yes, I see it the same way. I mean your account can sit there for 24 hours ratting belts and do nothing else. Just tank up and set the drones out on aggressive. Now your making bounty you can go out and have a dinner and a movie, do some shopping. I mean your making money on a mechanic that is never designed for passive income, should this be a bannable offense as well?
Anyone who was performing the activity I'm referring to in the news item has most likely already been banned for doing so. Another item about the belt ratting bit is that in the scenario you paint the amount of income gained is basically nothing. In the scenario we're specifically discussing in this thread you are making a lot more money. By a factor of a whole bunch. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:57:00 -
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I think that some people are taking this way too far. Don't be ridiculous with your assumptions people. I support CCP's better judgement here. No one could possibly play 24hours straight and be at the keyboard the whole time. Unless you have your laptop on the counter in the kitchen and using a bucket as a toilet.
This doesn't affect me, and a big LOL at the people who it does affect. GAME ON! |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:57:00 -
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If we're not altering the game, we're not doing anything wrong.
CCP designed drones. CCP designed plexes. We pay to use them. CCP bans us for using them!
I just don't get how you can keep banning people for playing the game. This isn't the first and it wont be the last time time you pull somethingf like this.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
339
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:58:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Anyone who was performing the activity I'm referring to in the news item has most likely already been banned for doing so. Another item about the belt ratting bit is that in the scenario you paint the amount of income gained is basically nothing. In the scenario we're specifically discussing in this thread you are making a lot more money. By a factor of a whole bunch.
What amount of money changes NotBotting into Botting, given the exact same use of game mechanics? |
Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
552
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:59:00 -
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When I was ready to build my first battlecruiser I grabbed a Bestower, fitted a T1 mining laser to it, activated it on a huge Veldspar asteroid and went to sleep. The next morning I had enough Tritanium to start the production job.
Guess it's time to hand myself in for botting? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
989
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:00:00 -
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CARB0N FIBER wrote:If we're not altering the game, we're not doing anything wrong.
CCP designed drones. CCP designed plexes. We pay to use them. CCP bans us for using them!
I just don't get how you can keep banning people for playing the game. This isn't the first and it wont be the last time time you pull somethingf like this.
Quick! Get back on the handle!
You keep flying off of it, and I don't think you know where you're going!
Here's your sign... |
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BrianOfNazerath
Eclipse Navy Get Off My Lawn
32
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:02:00 -
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So i am not allowed to go afk in a plex, while mining, or hell going AFk at all while logged in or i am going to get banned for it? |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:02:00 -
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Lord Helghast wrote:If this is the case does that finally mean AFK Cloaking is also going to be an offense since it is affecting the game while completely away from the computer?
AFK cloaking is not an isk generating activity. where do you people learn how to make comparisons? It's like those kids in pre-school who keep trying to shove that square into a round hole |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
41
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:03:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:CARB0N FIBER wrote: I call bullshit! Yes those guys are asshats. But so are you, once again your banning people for playing the game. You're like the fat kid that changes the rules every time the game doesn't go your way. The Cartman of MMO's. Are you going to warn people when they enter plexes if they stay to long they'll be banned?
I don't think setting up your drone boat to make money all day while you go away and do something else is "playing the game". You're like the angry kid that thinks rules are for other people and every rule ever written is out to get you. ...and yes, he is warning people like you said... go read the news item. It's a warning! Derp
First I am no way part of this AFK play style, I can barely keep a connection long enough to warp from the station to the gate.
My point is you can't prove I'm away from my keyboard. Even if you could, no where in the EULA does it say I have to be at my keyboard. The rules can't be out to get me because it doesn't exist. What I'm saying is these people are not altering the game. If CCP doesn't like how they are playing, CCP needs to change the way the game works. Not ban people for playing the game they are paying for. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2027
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:04:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: You can say that you prefer that we allow people to AFK farm complexes with sentry drones 24 hours a day and that's a position we'd disagree with, but it's a position.
It's really hard to respond with facts to completely made up scenarios so if we're to have a dialogue of this sort at any point in the future hopefully we can stick to what actually happened instead of how you've decided in your head the process went or how the reporting structure works.
I don't really. I do have a problem with an automated system going rogue and banning people for things that are different than what it is supposed to ban people for, and that failure being redefined into a success. The proper method for dealing with this exists and I want that used both now and in the future. If a GM had come out and said "we've investigated this and decided it shouldn't be allowed anymore", that'd be one thing. That happens - for example, pos bowling was legitimate and then after human review people decided it was a bad mechanic that needed to be banned until it was patched out. But players in that circumstance should have the ability to deal with a GM just like anyone doing anything else on the edge of the game rules but without violating the bots/hacks/macros/rmt rules. And those rules should be thought about ahead of time (by humans) and then applied prospectively.
If I'm reading what you're saying here correctly you're presuming that we haven't already gone over this internally. The system is doing precisely what it's supposed to do. The GMs are aware and were a part of this decision. Human people have reviewed each of the instances where this has already occurred. This instance fit within those rules because... IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING IT IS NOT NORMAL AND IT IS EVEN SPELLED OUT IN THE EULA AS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
The only difference between now and the halcyon days of yesteryear is that when I tell you something's bad I can actually monitor it to make sure you're not doing it with some accuracy. There may very well be other exploitable conditions in the future that will fall within this same ideal. Detecting bad activity is detecting bad activity. I don't really see how it's relevant that a particular system alerted us to the anomaly, regardless of its function. If we WERE measuring for this then we wouldn't have had to make this news item because it would already have been made.
"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
15
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:04:00 -
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What about trading? you don't even have to be logged in, yet you can be making huge amounts of isk every day. Does this go against your (CCPs) concept of AFK passive isk making as? |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:05:00 -
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BrianOfNazerath wrote:So i am not allowed to go afk in a plex, while mining, or hell going AFk at all while logged in or i am going to get banned for it?
look at all these Scott Tenormans!
go re-read his announcement |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2032
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:06:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Anyone who was performing the activity I'm referring to in the news item has most likely already been banned for doing so. Another item about the belt ratting bit is that in the scenario you paint the amount of income gained is basically nothing. In the scenario we're specifically discussing in this thread you are making a lot more money. By a factor of a whole bunch.
What amount of money changes NotBotting into Botting, given the exact same use of game mechanics?
Instead of inventing words that we don't use internally and applying them to your own perception of what we're looking at let's ask about behavior which is what we usually talk about publically. In that case behavior which leads to no tangible benefit is acceptable.
It's not about botting. It just so happens that this is the discussion we're usually having when we're talking about this type of behavior.
:edit: In this case someone was making significant income running their PC 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The system designed to detect that did. Enter news item. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Octoven
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
9
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:07:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Octoven wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
And how many times have you been banned for this?
Obviously he hasnt been banned any since this new policy hasnt been implemented before today so why should he be banned? Yes, I see it the same way. I mean your account can sit there for 24 hours ratting belts and do nothing else. Just tank up and set the drones out on aggressive. Now your making bounty you can go out and have a dinner and a movie, do some shopping. I mean your making money on a mechanic that is never designed for passive income, should this be a bannable offense as well? Anyone who was performing the activity I'm referring to in the news item has most likely already been banned for doing so. Another item about the belt ratting bit is that in the scenario you paint the amount of income gained is basically nothing. In the scenario we're specifically discussing in this thread you are making a lot more money. By a factor of a whole bunch.
Well you cant very well say that I mean you cant place a monetary value on AFKing. Especially after you blatantly stated,
"The activity itself falls within the same philosophical context we place botting within. I get it you don't like it. You can't change that however. With botting we concern ourselves with more than the technical limitations but rather what types of behavior and automation we find unacceptable."
Essentially the ideology of AFKing is to generate profit. Granted its small amounts; however, it still falls under the same philosophical idea. The moment you blurred the lines between botting and AFK actions is the moment that idea became more prevalent to apply to all forms of AFK income. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:08:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:What about trading? you don't even have to be logged in, yet you can be making huge amounts of isk every day. Does this go against your (CCPs) concept of AFK passive isk making as?
Go re-read the announcement |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
292
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:08:00 -
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Damion Rayne wrote:I honestly and whole hardheartedly believe you have NO clue what you're doing. I'm going to go out on a limb here and publicly denounce pretty much everything you say. I run plexes in 0.0 when I was in Test and Dark Rising and you are now effectively telling me that running those plexs with a drone boat, and going afk, is against the rules? I've got NO confidence in you as a Dev Sreegs, None.
You're, quite frankly, an idiot.
This ruling in no way affects what you do in 0.0 while running PLEXes in the safety of your Sov under the comforting blankie of Intel networks. This is specifically about High-sec STATIC PLEXes that continuously spawn NPCs and can be farmed 100% AFK from DT to DT.
Try not to be so intentionally clueless and obtuse if you choose to post again in this thread which, clearly, would just make you look dumber. |
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