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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.02.22 12:43:00 -
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Hehe yeah seems like they're hoping we get bored, tired or both and go away. Thats alot of customers. Something tells me they don't want to admit it. Well in another year or 2 when I have a nice damage modifier it won't matter. I can then start posting. "Hands up who's great" MEEEEEE, and "There's nothing wrong with the ship. Whoever put that idea in your head? Whiner!"
Lets overhaul EW and ship HPs and really make a cap gimped ship bad. That'll do the trick. Then Mega pilots will really pass the insanity test to ever undock in the thing! Great.
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Raven
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Posted - 2005.02.22 19:55:00 -
[752]
Signed. The pros and cons have already been highlighted in this tread so I'm not going to waste my time on that.
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.02.22 20:19:00 -
[753]
It will take alot more for those amarr, caldari and ccp gimps to make me stop flying my Mega. Besides, now that i think about it, Im such a good pilot, I needed to be handicapped anyway
DM
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Pegas
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Posted - 2005.02.23 01:18:00 -
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Dear CCP ,TomB , or whatever GM is seeing this thread I`ve been flying MegaT for almost 3 months since now....Before Exodus u knew that u could count on a Blasthorn with a mwd....Now things gone bad 4 the MegaT , although is such a nice ship in every way...but now I can see newbie apocs, who can easily take out even the most skilled megaT with all the specializations....saw it at other corp members....Not to speak of Dominix who is now only a support ship in Fleet Combats, I mean armor repair and shield transfers...Can a Dominix beat a Geddon? , nooo...can a Dominix beat a Scorp ....noooo...can a Dominix beat a Typhoon ...nooo (no other lvl 2 BS...in scorp u have a chance...in geddon too etc) The only way Dominix is wining only if the other pilot is nub..and dont know anything about pvp..... The only good part about a MegaT is that they are good kill mail *****s...425 works great...but look at the damage that a perfect strike of the tempest makes....a few nights ago someone made a 2.6k dmg hit on a BS...and 999.9 hi on a frig I can only get about 1k (with dmg enhancers ofcourse) with AM ....and yes Amarrs are changing chrystals and they ar in optimal again...and hit as hard as they can...while u dont get the same dmg with Iron as well as with AM....somthin has to be done...cause if u have a skilled palyer in apoc u dont have any chance at 1 vs 1 fight.... I see that u started a thread about cruisers and support ships...trying to re-think the whole system....In the end I just wanna say i want more ballance...not be able from 10 shots to killl a BS in optimal....
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.02.23 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pegas Can a Dominix beat a Geddon? , nooo...can a Dominix beat a Scorp ....noooo...can a Dominix beat a Typhoon ...nooo (no other lvl 2 BS...in scorp u have a chance...in geddon too etc) The only way Dominix is wining only if the other pilot is nub..and dont know anything about pvp.....
Dominix is fine. Please do not touch it. It only takes imagination and balls to fly well. Yes, that maybe eliminates 50% - 90% of pilots, however if it is boosted it runs the risk of becoming overpowered like a geddon.
As to the examples above. Yes, Geddons can be a pain, but they are not all that hard to beat (EM hardeners, anybody?). It is also a lot better off against a Scorp than a Geddon is (Drooones), don't have much experience with Typhoon's, but I wouldn't see too many probs taking one out.
Tier 2 bs? well... it can give most of them a run for their money too. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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RaphKa
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:06:00 -
[756]
OMG >>> WTFPWNSPARERIBSINBBQSAUCE
i actually fount this thread lingering in the 3rd page. this is proposterous!!!
back in the game ppl ¼______________________¼
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:20:00 -
[757]
Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 23/02/2005 21:30:17 This is a dumb thread I've never read it but now that it's on 38 pages and no one in their right mind would ever read it. I feel honestly free to say that Gallentee battleships are just fine. In fact I'd bet that many of you are the same people that said crap about the minmatar battleships (tempest posts). If this was such an issue why wasn't it brought up? Why did you wait until AFTER they played with projectile weapons? I can see it now, next they'll have to ungimp amarr battleships, and then caldari and the whole process starts over again.
This is dumb. The only thing I understand is "wrong" if you can even call it that, with gallentee battleships is that they rely on hybrid turrents which can take as much cap as laser turrets... that's seems off. I think the ships themselves should have better cap bonuses specifically for hybrids, but that's just me. I don't think this is enough to call them "Gimped", they ARE however specialized and it does take an experienced eve fitter to understand what a good setup is, and more importantly ... how and when to use it. It so happens that Caldari Ravens are easy to fit, Apocs, geddons and scorps just a bit different but still pretty easy, Tempests are hard to work with if you've never messed with them and so are Gal. This doesn't have much to do with the ship as much as it has to do with the fact that not many people play with Gal/Min much. There isn't a standard setup everyone uses on them yet. Look on "ships and mods" there was a post about a tempest pilot fitting neuts, nos, and seige launchers!! NO PROJECTILES WTF?!@#
Eve is NOT a skill war. it looks like it is sometimes because usually the person with the best skills has been around long enough to know how to use them, but I've easily mutilated people who've bought experienced accounts with my much less experienced character (I quit for months and months so I don't have too many skill points compared to other characters my age). If only because I've actually PLAYED the game longer than them.
Gal (if they are truely gimped at all) are not gimped enough to diserve a massive overtaking. I sure as hell hope CCP largely ignores this thread and doesn't fell into some un-nerf-nerf-comstantly-switching-crap-around deal. You players are going to have to find ways to make these ships useful no matter how powerful or gimped they may be. In the end the pilot behind the internet connection and the keyboard will make the difference not a 5% bonus. I don't care if you don't agree because I won't respond to flames. I've seen it. And many of you won't understand till you see it too, for some of you you may have to experience what I'm talking about firsthand. A smart pilot will always have the best advantage over a dumb one. Period. |
Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Bad'Boy on 23/02/2005 21:23:45
Originally by: Pegas Dear CCP ,TomB , or whatever GM is seeing this thread I`ve been flying MegaT for almost 3 months since now....Before Exodus u knew that u could count on a Blasthorn with a mwd....Now things gone bad 4 the MegaT , although is such a nice ship in every way...but now I can see newbie apocs, who can easily take out even the most skilled megaT with all the specializations....saw it at other corp members....Not to speak of Dominix who is now only a support ship in Fleet Combats, I mean armor repair and shield transfers...Can a Dominix beat a Geddon? , nooo...can a Dominix beat a Scorp ....noooo...can a Dominix beat a Typhoon ...nooo (no other lvl 2 BS...in scorp u have a chance...in geddon too etc) The only way Dominix is wining only if the other pilot is nub..and dont know anything about pvp..... The only good part about a MegaT is that they are good kill mail *****s...425 works great...but look at the damage that a perfect strike of the tempest makes....a few nights ago someone made a 2.6k dmg hit on a BS...and 999.9 hi on a frig I can only get about 1k (with dmg enhancers ofcourse) with AM ....and yes Amarrs are changing chrystals and they ar in optimal again...and hit as hard as they can...while u dont get the same dmg with Iron as well as with AM....somthin has to be done...cause if u have a skilled palyer in apoc u dont have any chance at 1 vs 1 fight.... I see that u started a thread about cruisers and support ships...trying to re-think the whole system....In the end I just wanna say i want more ballance...not be able from 10 shots to killl a BS in optimal....
no APOC can tank my blasterthron...I suggest you go back to draw board
and yes dominix can bit scorp, geddon..whatever...try to think out of box everything can be done
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babo
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:14:00 -
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-signed- at this point, this thread is going to be thousands of pages before the devs notice it. besides, in gallente ships, the ammo just rapes the capacitor which does not seem to make any sense, saying 'energy' weapons like oh.. "lasers" take less cap.. post screenshots |
VeNT
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:15:00 -
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tbh Rails need better tracking and less cap usage, they don't need the same amount of cap as a lazer, and they should do more damage at closer ranges I always thoght it was supposed to be;
missiles good for any range but expencive Lazers good for around optimal and don't req ammo, but use most cap Hybrids do lots of damage but lack range over optimal projectiles don't use cap and work best over optimal
but its become Lazers and missiles 4 the win tbh, as lazer ships have uber cap bonus, and rails use the same (more if you think about the bonuses) cap as any lazer but do less damage and have lower ranges, add on the ammo and it shows how uneaven things are!!
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:22:00 -
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Megas are not gimped. Quit complaining about a perfectly fine ship.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.23 23:47:00 -
[762]
ITs mostly a hybrid problem, they use too much cap and grid compared to how versatile and damaging they are.
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2005.02.24 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling ITs mostly a hybrid problem, they use too much cap and grid compared to how versatile and damaging they are.
Exactly, fix the guns, not the ship.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.24 01:41:00 -
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6 of one, half a dozen of the other...
Really the guns are so much central parts to the ships that when the guns are gimped or overpowered the hsips are too.
Bastards we are lest Bastards we become. |
Fillmeup
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Posted - 2005.02.24 03:42:00 -
[765]
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Edited by: Attrezzo Pox on 23/02/2005 21:30:17 This is a dumb thread I've never read it but now that it's on 38 pages and no one in their right mind would ever read it. I feel honestly free to say that Gallentee battleships are just fine. In fact I'd bet that many of you are the same people that said crap about the minmatar battleships (tempest posts). If this was such an issue why wasn't it brought up? Why did you wait until AFTER they played with projectile weapons? I can see it now, next they'll have to ungimp amarr battleships, and then caldari and the whole process starts over again.
This is dumb. The only thing I understand is "wrong" if you can even call it that, with gallentee battleships is that they rely on hybrid turrents which can take as much cap as laser turrets... that's seems off. I think the ships themselves should have better cap bonuses specifically for hybrids, but that's just me. I don't think this is enough to call them "Gimped", they ARE however specialized and it does take an experienced eve fitter to understand what a good setup is, and more importantly ... how and when to use it. It so happens that Caldari Ravens are easy to fit, Apocs, geddons and scorps just a bit different but still pretty easy, Tempests are hard to work with if you've never messed with them and so are Gal. This doesn't have much to do with the ship as much as it has to do with the fact that not many people play with Gal/Min much. There isn't a standard setup everyone uses on them yet. Look on "ships and mods" there was a post about a tempest pilot fitting neuts, nos, and seige launchers!! NO PROJECTILES WTF?!@#
Eve is NOT a skill war. it looks like it is sometimes because usually the person with the best skills has been around long enough to know how to use them, but I've easily mutilated people who've bought experienced accounts with my much less experienced character (I quit for months and months so I don't have too many skill points compared to other characters my age). If only because I've actually PLAYED the game longer than them.
Gal (if they are truely gimped at all) are not gimped enough to diserve a massive overtaking. I sure as hell hope CCP largely ignores this thread and doesn't fell into some un-nerf-nerf-comstantly-switching-crap-around deal. You players are going to have to find ways to make these ships useful no matter how powerful or gimped they may be. In the end the pilot behind the internet connection and the keyboard will make the difference not a 5% bonus. I don't care if you don't agree because I won't respond to flames. I've seen it. And many of you won't understand till you see it too, for some of you you may have to experience what I'm talking about firsthand. A smart pilot will always have the best advantage over a dumb one. Period.
Hmmm ... do u even fly Gallente? The posts following yours hit the nail on the head .. that Laser are 5 x more versatile and use the same or less cap. The Mega is a cap gimped ship to begin with, this just makes it unbearable.
You also mentioned most people don't fly Min / Gal ships, did you ask why? I think you will find that most people don't enjoy losing ships for the hell of it, and therefore train those ships that (currently) have an unfair advantage.
And yes, I fly a megathron, and it is currently the only teir 2 I fly. Having to use Tech2 Large Hybrids to even come close to other teir 1/2 BS's just doesn't make any sense. High skill point characters / newbish opponents are the only way to be effective in a mega, and then any slight mistake in battle leaves you with no cap ... aka .... no defense or offense.
In general, I would like to see a cap reduction bonus for Hybrids for Gallente, that'd sort it. Or as I said above, a faster recharge rate or larger initial cap.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:45:00 -
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just less cap use on Large hybrids and less powergrid
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Pegas
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Posted - 2005.02.24 10:15:00 -
[767]
Edited by: Pegas on 24/02/2005 10:16:24
Originally by: Bad'Boy Edited by: Bad'Boy on 23/02/2005 21:23:45
Originally by: Pegas Dear CCP ,TomB , or whatever GM is seeing this thread I`ve been flying MegaT for almost 3 months since now....Before Exodus u knew that u could count on a Blasthorn with a mwd....Now things gone bad 4 the MegaT , although is such a nice ship in every way...but now I can see newbie apocs, who can easily take out even the most skilled megaT with all the specializations....saw it at other corp members....Not to speak of Dominix who is now only a support ship in Fleet Combats, I mean armor repair and shield transfers...Can a Dominix beat a Geddon? , nooo...can a Dominix beat a Scorp ....noooo...can a Dominix beat a Typhoon ...nooo (no other lvl 2 BS...in scorp u have a chance...in geddon too etc)
The only way Dominix is wining only if the other pilot is nub..and dont know anything about pvp..... The only good part about a MegaT is that they are good kill mail *****s...425 works great...but look at the damage that a perfect strike of the tempest makes....a few nights ago someone made a 2.6k dmg hit on a BS...and 999.9 hi on a frig I can only get about 1k (with dmg enhancers ofcourse) with AM ....and yes Amarrs are changing chrystals and they ar in optimal again...and hit as hard as they can...while u dont get the same dmg with Iron as well as with AM....somthin has to be done...cause if u have a skilled palyer in apoc u dont have any chance at 1 vs 1 fight.... I see that u started a thread about cruisers and support ships...trying to re-think the whole system....In the end I just wanna say i want more ballance...not be able from 10 shots to killl a BS in optimal....
no APOC can tank my blasterthron...I suggest you go back to draw board
and yes dominix can bit scorp, geddon..whatever...try to think out of box everything can be done
Can u beat a 40 km off scorp without knowing u are fighting a scorp..or u can do dmg in long range combats???...can u use drones on 100+ distance?? Not talking about missile boats which are useless in 100+ confruntation...but that is another thread which should be made
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.02.24 10:26:00 -
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Badboy is kinda talking outta his ass.
No normal apoc tank can tank a blasterthron yeah. But there's always one that can, and i'm not talking officer repairers here either.
Anway, stop the discussion already. It's all a repeating of arguments and nonsense now.
Megathron is fine, hybrids need a tad of work, and the megapulse/missile changes will do the rest if handled right. _______________________________________________
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Badboy is kinda talking outta his ass.
No normal apoc tank can tank a blasterthron yeah. But there's always one that can, and i'm not talking officer repairers here either.
Anway, stop the discussion already. It's all a repeating of arguments and nonsense now.
Megathron is fine, hybrids need a tad of work, and the megapulse/missile changes will do the rest if handled right.
ok...I mean...NO APoc can tank Blasterthron, atleast not the one I had...and my skills isnt greatest p.s. try 4 magstabs II
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.02.24 13:13:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Rod Blaine .
ok...I mean...NO APoc can tank Blasterthron, atleast not the one I had...and my skills isnt greatest p.s. try 4 magstabs II
To bad you can't rat hunt with this setup ;_;
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OnDa Rag
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Attrezzo Pox This is a dumb thread I've never read . . .
Dude, how the hell can you rant on something you haven't read or at least made an attempt to keep up with. Ya are setting yourself up to look rather ignorant . . .
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox I feel honestly free to say that Gallentee battleships are just fine . . . If this was such an issue why wasn't it brought up? Why did you wait until AFTER they played with projectile weapons?
Well here you go . . . for startes if you ACTUALLY READ the original post you will see it was dated BEFORE the projectile patch.
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox This is dumb. The only thing I understand is "wrong" if you can even call it that, with gallentee battleships is that they rely on hybrid turrents which can take as much cap as laser turrets... that's seems off.
Hmm . . . again if you read the posts you will see that a majority of the posts focus on the Large Hybrids TRACKING problems which are significantly gimped compared to other gunz. The other issue is that a Mega using a MWD is severly gimped in its cap usage . . .
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox I think the ships themselves should have better cap bonuses specifically for hybrids, but that's just me.
Well at least you agree with the thread . . .
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox Gal (if they are truely gimped at all) are not gimped enough to diserve a massive overtaking.
Um , the thread doesn't focus on tanking so where the hell did u get this from . . . oho yeah ya didn't read the thread.
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox I don't care if you don't agree because I won't respond to flames.
Thats excpected since you obviously, and admittedly, didn't even read the thread . . .
Originally by: Attrezzo Pox A smart pilot will always have the best advantage over a dumb one. Period.
Which is why a majority of PVP pilots fly Caldari and Amarr BSs. The Mega is a very balanced ship you can go for damage or you can go for tank . . . but its difficult to do both. The thread is asking just for other ships to be placed on the same level. Its not about the mega its about its Turrets and features of other ships being overpowered.
Lesson: read a bit of a thread before ya rant and make yourself look prety ignorant.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Rod Blaine .
ok...I mean...NO APoc can tank Blasterthron, atleast not the one I had...and my skills isnt greatest p.s. try 4 magstabs II
To bad you can't rat hunt with this setup ;_;
few BS can rat hunt with PvP setup, especialy when its specialaized setup
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.02.24 15:00:00 -
[773]
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Rod Blaine .
ok...I mean...NO APoc can tank Blasterthron, atleast not the one I had...and my skills isnt greatest p.s. try 4 magstabs II
To bad you can't rat hunt with this setup ;_;
few BS can rat hunt with PvP setup, especialy when its specialaized setup
Credit to Bad'Boy for that. Only ship I know that can do this is the Deimos (tested successfully against 2x Commander 1x General 4x Impaler from Arch Angel Cartel) --
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Jayad
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Posted - 2005.02.24 15:30:00 -
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dont have a lot of time to write so quickly:
Its in CCP's best interests to have ballance, a Boost to capaciter for the mega or re-shaking of its bonus's would bring ship diverity.
Its hard being a blaster pilot, requires more consentration but delivers more fun ofcourse :). i just think on that perspective it wouldnt hurt to tweek blasters with slightly more damage, to make using that weapon more notice-able. After you make your range you dont get alot of cap to play with, and if your webbed, well there are many risks. Long range pilots have it all to easy, dont get me started on raven noobs.
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Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:20:00 -
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Blasters should use very little cap and do the highest dps of any comparable turret. this is the only way to compensate for the cap and time lost in approaching a target.
Once, and only after blasters are addressed can you judge the thron itself.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:26:00 -
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missiles loose time approaching a target too...plz make them do uber damage!!
dude, blasters are already most damaging weapon
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Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:26:00 -
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i should have also added that any bs with blasters has the same problem as the thron. maybe when the guns are tweaked the throns bonuses should be altered to make it superior with blasters to other bs'... but the root of the issue is still the guns.
The thron still remains the most logical rail bs and this option should not be taken away.
~ Ryoji Tanakama |
Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:32:00 -
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missiles are 2x as fast as a thron and already do fantastic damage.
thron needs nameds or t2 guns to do uber damage but still cant make up for travel time.
missiles are also 0 cap...
i fly a raven myself.
~ Ryoji Tanakama |
Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Bad'Boy on 24/02/2005 16:42:55
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.24 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama missiles are 2x as fast as a thron and already do fantastic damage.
thron needs nameds or t2 guns to do uber damage but still cant make up for travel time.
missiles are also 0 cap...
i fly a raven myself.
only realy damaging missiles is torps and they arnt faster then thron
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