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Mura Dari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:34:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:EVE will only start to loose significant chunks of subscribers when their competion manages to lauch a MMORPG based on Internet Spaceships. As far as I know there isn't a single game under development that resembles EVE.
Thats why when CCP started to go to WiS there was a riot. Eve subscribers don't care about dungeons, pvp RP monsters, warriors, magicians, or fancy outfits. The main bulk doesnt care about you avatar apearence but they care about how the Machariel looks. They want Internet spaceships.
Games like GW2, Diablo 3, will catch a lot of subscribers from the adventure MMORPG like WoW, but EVE is unique at the moment, so will take a lot of effort to CCP to destroy the game if they continue to offer their member base Internet Spaceships.
They started to go on the worng direction with WiS but they saw the error in time and even more important, they managed to recover from the error very very well with the new expansions. I don't care one bit about internet spaceships. I'm here for the sandbox features like FFA PvP, player looting, territory control, no classes, no levels, limited restrictions...basically everything UO had pre-trammel.
Many of us are desperate to have WiS, but not at the cost of letting FiS suffer which I believe was the true reason for the uprising. CCP spent years ignoring broken/outdated features in order to release new broken features is what pissed off so many people. They were actually getting a little better until /suddenly Unified Inventory. |
DeadDuck
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.08.09 14:49:00 -
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Mura Dari wrote:I don't care one bit about internet spaceships
... err this game evolves around a central theme... internet spaceships. All the rest comes from there. PVP is based on internet spaceships, region control is gained with internetspace ships, loot comes from there also, etc, etc.
Are you sure that you are playing the right game? Because if you are that desperate about WiS you better wait seated, it will take a (long) while.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:31:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:Mura Dari wrote:I don't care one bit about internet spaceships ... err this game evolves around a central theme... internet spaceships. All the rest comes from there. PVP is based on internet spaceships, region control is gained with internetspace ships, loot comes from there also, etc, etc. Are you sure that you are playing the right game? Because if you are that desperate about WiS you better wait seated, it will take a (long) while.
BUT I thought this was spreadsheets online ? Hey CCP when are you going to make a deal with google doc's to incorporate their interface into the game ?
Oh and when are we going to be able to Rent Netflix and watch them in our Captains Quarters ?
And what about the order Pizza Icon you all promised ?
And while your at ..... how about... yeh I'm done .. .maybe
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:32:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Hey CCP when are you going to make a deal with google doc's to incorporate their interface into the game ? GǪwe already have Chrome in the game, so it's there as we speak. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:35:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:I dont think WoW is losing subs to EVE. Its GW2 that both WoW and EVE will lose a big chunk of playerbase to.
Also, its good theyre making the game better for new players. Nobody cares about bitter vets really.
Oh, so many times in the last 10 years i've seen this posted...
"XXX game will make EVE lose a lot of subs".
Still makes me giggle.
Back on topic though, EVE REALLY needed a boost in it's accessibility. It was nearly impossible for newer players to really get into the game due to the immense learning curve the UI had and how difficult it was to get the information you needed.
If this were a strategy game, bitter vets would be complaining about the new patch including the ability to see what units you have selected. Obviously, having to remember this equates to 'more skill'. |
Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 15:36:00 -
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Idk why everyone wants to make it easier to attract new players, i mean common, players have spent half there life learning this game and for what? A new kid trying to just walk into an insainly steep learning curve game like eve?
Seriously!!?
If anything we should make a harder, more complicated, and a crap load of pointless grinding just to be accepted into a corp.
That way, everyone will be forced to leave that cant keep up with anyone but the most badass eve players...
This is the only way... Stop going into this pipe dream of yours thinking eve will ever be a friendly place for any non hardened completely dedicated players.
heh heh heh heh heh... sarcasm |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:40:00 -
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Don't forget the 2nd life refugees. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:57:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
CCP Troll, best troll.
While you're at it, you might as well re-instate Learning Skills, and get rid of the skill queue |
SmashTech
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:59:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Don't forget the 2nd life refugees.
what was the name of that one guy who ran for CSM this year on the roleplaying "Alexander Gianturco is the devil and I am your savior" platform?
Because frankly it's a group of refugees we could do without
(just like the WoWbears) |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1061
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:04:00 -
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SmashTech wrote:Ghazu wrote:Don't forget the 2nd life refugees. what was the name of that one guy who ran for CSM this year on the roleplaying "Alexander Gianturco is the devil and I am your savior" platform? Because frankly it's a group of refugees we could do without (just like the WoWbears)
Mittens? No, he can't be the devil.
Might've invaded hell and taken over management though |
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:08:00 -
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He's not cool enough to be devil. That guy is almost like jesus, and nobody likes jesus. |
Gigante Toralen
Thunder Bay Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:20:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Pilna Vcelka wrote:I dont think WoW is losing subs to EVE. Its GW2 that both WoW and EVE will lose a big chunk of playerbase to.
Also, its good theyre making the game better for new players. Nobody cares about bitter vets really.
Oh, so many times in the last 10 years i've seen this posted... "XXX game will make EVE lose a lot of subs". Still makes me giggle. Back on topic though, EVE REALLY needed a boost in it's accessibility. It was nearly impossible for newer players to really get into the game due to the immense learning curve the UI had and how difficult it was to get the information you needed. If this were a strategy game, bitter vets would be complaining about the new patch including the ability to see what units you have selected. Obviously, having to remember this equates to 'more skill'.
I disagree that EVE needs to be more accessable. The type of people that this game attracts actually enjoy the learning curve, as well as embrace the patience you need to play this game. The people that don't embrace the learning curve, or don't have the patience, move on to something else. I don't think EVE ever needs to worry about refugees from any game, on the contrary; we should be looking forward to more people trying this game out. Only the dedicated will stick it out, making the game stronger. The less dedicated will leave. No issues. I honesty cannot envision the whining entitled masses ever gaining enough of a foothold in this game to ever make a difference. They will just play other Blizzard games, where people actually make changes to the games based on mass whining. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:23:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:yep quality of life changes make the game easier for the bads.
Bads find game easier, less likely to quit. More likely to stick around and accumulate modest wealth.
QOL changes don't protect bads from foolish market investments, futile PVP attempts or falling for scams.
The truely bad players will be parted with their ISK, one way or another. The initialy-bad but quick to learn players will grow into more legitimate EVE players.
So:
Scammers/PVPers/Marketeers make more isk from actually bad players EVE gets more actually good players in the long run.
I fail to see how this is a negative change for anyone involved.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:29:00 -
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As someone who enjoys Warcraft more and more over the years, and Eve less and less, I find this thread amusing. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:32:00 -
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Blane Xero wrote:As someone who enjoys Warcraft more and more over the years, and Eve less and less, I find this thread amusing.
Well... I'm taking your quote off my workstation then! @CCP_PrismX EVE Database Developer and Expert Ranter |
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Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:34:00 -
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I played WoW, and I played Eve.... AT THE SAME TIME YOU GUYS!
They are not mutually exclusive.
Now I only play Eve though.
Spaceships are cooler than cows.
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stoicfaux
1406
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:36:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
In case you don't know me, which you probably don't, and thus cannot infer implied meaning from my text: This is obvious sarcasm. +1
I would use this as my sig, but it breaks the character limit. CCP fix your damn game forums!!! The forums are dying!!!
/rabble rabble
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jaangel
Cloak and Badgers
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:36:00 -
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CCP is dumming down the game.
It's not a debate it's a fact.
lets move on. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:38:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Whatcha talkin' 'bout? You're forgetting the important part where EQ came along and was much better at being what UO tried to be with the schism. UO did enjoy a net growth after the schism. Primarly due to an influx of what we now call carebears. UO lost that growth once EQ hit the shelves. UO had already lost a lot of their veteran followers due to the schism. UO died as a result of changing its design paradigm and thus attempting to compete with other games on their home turf. Of course EQ wasn't when the schism happened so you cannot really blame anybody. But I believe that's what Malcanis is referring to.
According to your history lesson if a viable alternative to Eve is released, CCP is ****** hard. You've already had the schism, exodus, and influx.
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stoicfaux
1406
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:41:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:CCP is dumming down the game.
It's not a debate it's a fact.
lets move on. Speaking of "dumb"...
edit: Also, shiptoasting in a shiptoast thread.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:48:00 -
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Gigante Toralen wrote:I honesty cannot envision the whining entitled masses ever gaining enough of a foothold in this game to ever make a difference.
See: People complaining it's not "fair" that hisec isn't 100% safe.
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:53:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I, for one, think it is imperative to EVEs continued success and the health of our community to keep the corporation role management from actually displaying a horizontal scrollbar or just show all the available roles in a readable format. People that are too stupid to understand that data is hidden from them, or too lazy to look everywhere they cannot look for data that might potentially be there but probably isn't, don't deserve to be informed.
In case you don't know me, which you probably don't, and thus cannot infer implied meaning from my text: This is obvious sarcasm.
Oh you Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour. |
D3F4ULT
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:56:00 -
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I want this game to be so f**king hard that I need to have a Masters in Mathematics, Physics, and a doctrines in Science.
I can't allow CCP to have anyone else but me play this game. ****. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Tomiko Kawase
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:56:00 -
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As someone who enjoys Eve more and more over the years, and Warcraft less and less, I find this thread amusing. Fight us maybe? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8964
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:06:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:CCP is dumming down the game. How? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:20:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
Can you give a list of features in EVE that have been dumbed down? "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:26:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees? Can you give a list of features in EVE that have been dumbed down?
I'm guessing the tutorials are too easy to find and give away to many T1 frigates.
Back in OP's day, you had to fight your way through Goon null to a station you had to scan down and do two 40-jump courier missions for an agent in there before he let you buy your first Merlin from him for 1,000,000 isk. |
Gigante Toralen
Thunder Bay Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:26:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Gigante Toralen wrote:I honesty cannot envision the whining entitled masses ever gaining enough of a foothold in this game to ever make a difference. See: People complaining it's not "fair" that hisec isn't 100% safe.
You didn't disprove my point. Of course they complain, they ALL complain. But does CCP make changes to appease them? It looks to me like CCP makes the changes they want to make, complaints or not. Everyone threw a shitstorm over WiS, so what did CCP do? They started refocusing on ships, instead of avatars. But did they take the WiS stuff out? Nope, it's all still there. Blizzard, OTOH, will change thier entire direction if enough people complain. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:41:00 -
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WOW is dying due to being long term a one horse race, successful but in the end.. why bother? SWTOR is also basicly WOW and is now dying and going FTP due to a lack of in-game end content beyond the WOW model.
They all went to play Diablo3 which is basicly WOW from all I have seen.
GW2 is game changing, I played the beta and its FTP massive open world, easy to get into, addictive and above all fun, it will kill WOW.
So EVE EVE has staying power of a persistent world with unlimited content (us) and sandbox were even killing and scamming each other is actively encouraged. We will keep coming back to it. If only they could fix Sov and add whole new elements of the game without actually screwing it up each patch, we would never leave.
Eve is hard and a 'cult' game, this is a draw to its current 'old bastard' players. Making the game easier to learn and maybe making the GUI look like you are actually in space and not something covered in spreadsheets and icons like a 1998 Microprose game would be good for everyone's heath and wellbeing.
...No matter how much we liked playing MOO2 and Mechwarrior...
(Also EQ of yesteryear makes WOW look like crap.. poor stupid WOW players..) |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
444
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:45:00 -
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Xorth Adimus wrote:WOW is dying due to being long term a one horse race, successful but in the end.. why bother? SWTOR is also basicly WOW and is now dying and going FTP due to a lack of in-game end content beyond the WOW model.
They all went to play Diablo3 which is basicly WOW from all I have seen.
GW2 is game changing, I played the beta and its FTP massive open world, easy to get into, addictive and above all fun, it will kill WOW.
So EVE EVE has staying power of a persistent world with unlimited content (us) and sandbox were even killing and scamming each other is actively encouraged. We will keep coming back to it. If only they could fix Sov and add whole new elements of the game without actually screwing it up each patch, we would never leave.
Eve is hard and a 'cult' game, this is a draw to its current 'old bastard' players. Making the game easier to learn and maybe making the GUI look like you are actually in space and not something covered in spreadsheets and icons like a 1998 Microprose game would be good for everyone's heath and wellbeing.
...No matter how much we liked playing MOO2 and Mechwarrior...
(Also EQ of yesteryear makes WOW look like crap.. poor stupid WOW players..)
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