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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:46:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
Making the game more usable for new customers is not dumbing it down.
In fact that CCP has finally figured out that new players are more valuable than vets we may see more changes.
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:47:00 -
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Posting in another glorious Tom Gerard responded thread. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
629
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:59:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Posting in another glorious Tom Gerard responded thread.
Not empty quoting.
@op
Gime yer stuffz brb |
Attica
Social Destortion
17
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:01:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees?
I disagree that CCP is dumbing down Eve but you are entitled to believe so yourself. Eve will not, imo, appeal to many WoW players at all. The impact, if any will be too subtle to notice. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
574
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:41:00 -
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Goremageddon Box wrote:
Third, Why am I talking in numbers?
Could be schizophrenia. I'm not joking, either - google it, they love making lists, and they love making up words too. But nah, you're probably not schizo :)
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Tarn Kugisa
M.I.A.C Corporation
99
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:05:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:You would have to have been living under a rock lately to not see the changes to eve and the simpicity that is being implemented but one wonders is this a direct result of the popular child game wow and its recent sub loss. If WOW is losing subs faster than football players at penn state where are they going? Eve possibly? Do you think refugees from other mmos will impact eve and how long will they stay and to what extent will CCP modify eve to retain these refugees? If CCP wanted millions of subs, all they had to do was remove non-consensual PvP. That's all it would take for EVE's population to jump up by an order of magnitude. See Ultima Online and Trammel.
You forget:
By clicking the "Undock" Button, you hereby consent to all Player versus Player Combat, whether you like it or not I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
548
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:19:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Xorth Adimus wrote:WOW is dying due to being long term a one horse race, successful but in the end.. why bother? SWTOR is also basicly WOW and is now dying and going FTP due to a lack of in-game end content beyond the WOW model.
They all went to play Diablo3 which is basicly WOW from all I have seen.
GW2 is game changing, I played the beta and its FTP massive open world, easy to get into, addictive and above all fun, it will kill WOW.
So EVE EVE has staying power of a persistent world with unlimited content (us) and sandbox were even killing and scamming each other is actively encouraged. We will keep coming back to it. If only they could fix Sov and add whole new elements of the game without actually screwing it up each patch, we would never leave.
Eve is hard and a 'cult' game, this is a draw to its current 'old bastard' players. Making the game easier to learn and maybe making the GUI look like you are actually in space and not something covered in spreadsheets and icons like a 1998 Microprose game would be good for everyone's heath and wellbeing.
...No matter how much we liked playing MOO2 and Mechwarrior...
(Also EQ of yesteryear makes WOW look like crap.. poor stupid WOW players..) TL:DR Anyway... I love the fugees.
I had the fudgies once, couldn't leave the house.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Jack Togenada
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:27:00 -
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I'm a wow player who loved vanilla wow the best, BC less so, everything else even less. I played wow for the world PvP. I enjoy the danger of always having a chance of getting killed whenever I go do something carebearish. Wow killed their PvE -> leads to PvP model and put an end to ganking. Everything became pointless BGs, lame raids and unicorn farts.
I've enjoyed the hell out of eve. FW has been a blast and I've enjoy low sec exploration. It's not perfect but nothing ever is.
As a wow refuge, I want the following changes in eve: Being able to switch from PvE to PvP effectively to fight gankers. It's awesome being surprised and then turning the tables. More PvP and less running away. I'd like more stand up fights and less bugging out.
Given the structure of eve I don't think these changes are possible and I don't think the developers should even try to implement them. Eve seems to be a strictly predator/prey model of combat and it works pretty well for that model. It matches our ancestral hunter gather mode of combat pretty well.
One real suggestion: Do something with DSCAN. It's too powerful and the interface is very poor. I under stand good DSCANing is a bit of a minigame itself, but please modernize and make it more interesting. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
52
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:33:00 -
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Game Demographics change in any game, people get bored move on. CCP is trying to lesson the initial shock of starting or trying Eve , nothing wrong with that. lets face it, the information a new player is hit with is rather overwhelming for some. |
Gigante Toralen
Thunder Bay Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:34:00 -
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Jack Togenada wrote:
As a wow refuge, I want the following changes in eve: Being able to switch from PvE to PvP effectively to fight gankers. It's awesome being surprised and then turning the tables. More PvP and less running away. I'd like more stand up fights and less bugging out.
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Please clarify. You are never in PvE mode, and ALWAYS in PvP mode, so fight gankers all you want! If you don't like running away, then warp scram or web the bastards! |
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Jack Togenada
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:39:00 -
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Gigante Toralen wrote:Jack Togenada wrote:
As a wow refuge, I want the following changes in eve: Being able to switch from PvE to PvP effectively to fight gankers. It's awesome being surprised and then turning the tables. More PvP and less running away. I'd like more stand up fights and less bugging out.
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Please clarify. You are never in PvE mode, and ALWAYS in PvP mode, so fight gankers all you want! If you don't like running away, then warp scram or web the bastards!
In wow I used to start fights while questing or herbing or whatever. In eve running a mission in a PvP fit isn't very fun and fighting back with a mining barge is not what I'd call fun PvP, even if you can win with the barge changes. Hell even the idea that you can mine for hours with no dangers in high sec and make more money than mining in low sec is pretty lame coming from a PvE leads to PvP background.
Again, I don't think these changes would work in eve. People have been playing eve for years with the predator/prey design. I don't think changing that would be good. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
619
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:48:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Blane Xero wrote:As someone who enjoys Warcraft more and more over the years, and Eve less and less, I find this thread amusing. Well... I'm taking your quote off my workstation then!
Yes, gotta make more room for night elf chicks. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
619
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:55:00 -
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Jack Togenada wrote:I'm a wow player who loved vanilla wow the best, BC less so, everything else even less. I played wow for the world PvP. I enjoy the danger of always having a chance of getting killed whenever I go do something carebearish. Wow killed their PvE -> leads to PvP model and put an end to ganking. Everything became pointless BGs, lame raids and unicorn farts.
I've enjoyed the hell out of eve. FW has been a blast and I've enjoy low sec exploration. It's not perfect but nothing ever is.
As a wow refuge, I want the following changes in eve: Being able to switch from PvE to PvP effectively to fight gankers. It's awesome being surprised and then turning the tables. More PvP and less running away. I'd like more stand up fights and less bugging out.
Given the structure of eve I don't think these changes are possible and I don't think the developers should even try to implement them. Eve seems to be a strictly predator/prey model of combat and it works pretty well for that model. It matches our ancestral hunter gather mode of combat pretty well.
One real suggestion: Do something with DSCAN. It's too powerful and the interface is very poor. I under stand good DSCANing is a bit of a minigame itself, but please modernize and make it more interesting.
Yeah but in WoW it was easy for the world pvp, there really isn't much to work forward to in WoW so you had to join a world pvp server or go bored. In EVE I always felt there was something to work forward, so the pvp is harder to get into, or don't need it as much to keep from getting bored. If EVE planned that nothing was important, I would propably go pvp straight away. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Lennox Dantes
Fleshbag Mauraders
0
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:58:00 -
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This is a delicate, but deliberate first step... just watch. You can deny it all you want, but this is the first step in the wrong direction. These changes are unnecessary and childish and wimpy. I played for 10minutes and logged. Just another game flushed down the toilet by its developer. Ill play for a couple more months until they ruin it completely. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
374
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:02:00 -
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Lennox Dantes wrote:This is a delicate, but deliberate first step... just watch. You can deny it all you want, but this is the first step in the wrong direction. These changes are unnecessary and childish and wimpy. I played for 10minutes and logged. Just another game flushed down the toilet by its developer. Ill play for a couple more months until they ruin it completely.
You could just leave now if you want...nobody is asking you to stay. Why do something that you think is ruined.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
483
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Posted - 2012.08.09 23:00:00 -
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Lennox Dantes wrote:This is a delicate, but deliberate first step... just watch. You can deny it all you want, but this is the first step in the wrong direction. These changes are unnecessary and childish and wimpy. I played for 10minutes and logged. Just another game flushed down the toilet by its developer. Ill play for a couple more months until they ruin it completely. Bye, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
I love how CCP are finally fixing some balance issues and bugs and there are still people whining. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
19
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Posted - 2012.08.09 23:18:00 -
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i dont even |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
151
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Posted - 2012.08.09 23:20:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:EVE will only start to loose significant chunks of subscribers when their competion manages to lauch a MMORPG based on Internet Spaceships. As far as I know there isn't a single game under development that resembles EVE.
Thats why when CCP started to go to WiS there was a riot. Eve subscribers don't care about dungeons, pvp RP monsters, warriors, magicians, or fancy outfits. The main bulk doesnt care about you avatar apearence but they care about how the Machariel looks. They want Internet spaceships.
Games like GW2, Diablo 3, will catch a lot of subscribers from the adventure MMORPG like WoW, but EVE is unique at the moment, so will take a lot of effort to CCP to destroy the game if they continue to offer their member base Internet Spaceships.
They started to go on the worng direction with WiS but they saw the error in time and even more important, they managed to recover from the error very very well with the new expansions.
I don't know. I saw a lot of pissed off people over that fact that WiS was only Captains' Quarters, when they were lead to expect a lot more. And it was never about monsters and magicians. Seriously. . |
Lilianna Star
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.08.09 23:22:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:I dont think WoW is losing subs to EVE. Its GW2 that both WoW and EVE will lose a big chunk of playerbase to.
Also, its good theyre making the game better for new players. Nobody cares about bitter vets really.
GW2? LOL
WoW losing to it? Sure, I guess. But EVE and GW2 are apples and oranges. |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
153
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Posted - 2012.08.10 00:36:00 -
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Jack Togenada wrote:
Hell even the idea that you can mine for hours with no dangers in high sec and make more money than mining in low sec is pretty lame coming from a PvE leads to PvP background.
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Actually, that wasn't always the case. Back when the trit price was capped at 2 or 3 isk/unit or whatever it was (and npc's sold shuttles in stations), before the drone regions, before the over-proliferation of capital ship construction, and before whatever else, ore prices were aligned to increase in cost with decreasing sec status. People used to actually mine in lowsec, despite the risk, for the increased profits. A highsec miner's wet dream was to skill up and move to 0.0 for the big money. Trit was the cheapest min, and veld was the least profitable ore to mine. There were legends of people making over 100 mil an hour mining in 0.0 in a hulk. Then that got all jacked around and eventually became the situation we have now. . |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
882
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Posted - 2012.08.10 00:41:00 -
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Updating the UI to display more complete information that it should have been displaying since Day 1 is of course dumbing down the game, you're absolutely right.
Quote: ...popular child game wow...
Woah there tiger! It would be a shame if you destroyed your integrity with immature attack comments like that. I don't think you can actually have negative integrity. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Fairren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.08.10 01:52:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Updating the UI to display more complete information that it should have been displaying since Day 1 is of course dumbing down the game, you're absolutely right. Quote: ...popular child game wow...
Woah there tiger! It would be a shame if you destroyed your integrity with immature attack comments like that. I don't think you can actually have negative integrity. If you have negative integrity, faction police attack you on the forums. |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
406
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Posted - 2012.08.10 02:01:00 -
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This is absurd. The changes CCP have been making as of late have been making things more convenient and accessible. That is not the same thing as "dumbing down the content" or any crap like that. If CCP were to do something like weakening NPC pirates or slashing skill training times, then you might have a reason to get pissy.
Until then, bugger off. >_> - Rei |
Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2012.08.10 02:25:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:This is by far the stupidest thread I've seen... today. I'll keep an eye on these forums and maybe something even dumber will come along. Coming back to confirm that yes, this is indeed the stupidest thread on the EvE forums to date. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
173
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Posted - 2012.08.10 02:33:00 -
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coming from other mmos I thought eve was pretty easy to get into. maybe that is because when I first started gaming there were no tutorials and you learned the game by pressing all the buttons and seeing what they did (or maybe read the manual but who did that?). and the first mmo I played spawned you naked, and you had to go out into the newbie zone and punch stuff to death and hope something dropped. I'm a press all the button and read all the descriptions kinda guy.
in eve I was lucky enough to have a friend give me 500k isk to get started, that was enough for a frigate to start on level 1 missions. I think he might have given me some advice as well, but honestly I remember the basic strategies learned elsewhere, such as kiting, to be very effective in eve. that and rookie help was pretty helpful. plus salvage was worth a good bit back then. I thought I struck a pretty good balance of training support and learning skills. it did get a bit slow when I went from 4/4 to 5/4, but by then I was in a drake running the hell out of level 3 missions, also did weapon upgrades 5 awu 4, a ton of core skills, and got tech 2 drones. I did however completely ignore my missile skills, I had around 700-800k in missiles with missile bombardment 5.
about 2 years back now I ran an alt through the tutorials and they seemed super duper easy, free frigs and even a destroyer!? and that SOE arc, not to mention no learning skills! seems like a great time to be a newb. my experience was a bit tainted as I can read between the lines and know what the tutorial meant, so any little corrections they can make I think are good. a bit more resources and some ideas on how to reasonably fit a ship are good things for newbs. some of it certainly would have helped me out when I first started (good god I'm scared to think of how I fit my first ships). |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
47
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:39:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:Blane Xero wrote:As someone who enjoys Warcraft more and more over the years, and Eve less and less, I find this thread amusing. Well... I'm taking your quote off my workstation then! Haha wow, which one was that? Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:57:00 -
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Wow turned a higher profit when they lost subs last quarter, so whatever math you are using is fail math. |
King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
275
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:00:00 -
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There have been some simplifications to eve over the years, but none recently. The current set of changes being made are balance and role revisions which should have been made years ago. If you want examples of simplification and making it more WoW like, you have to go back a few years when they started adding warning messages for every little thing.
Once upon a time, you didn't get a warning if you tried to AP your freighter through low sec, undock with drugs in high sec, jump as an outlaw with GCC into high sec or try to GCC on someone in high sec your first day playing. I committed all those mistakes at some point or another with the exception of the freighter, I was on the receiving end of it's loot in that case. Come to think of it, I miss those days. So many "doh!" moments back then.
Dear CCP, please remove all warning messages from the game. Players should be allowed to make stupid/careless mistakes more often. In fact they should be encouraged. The Troll is trolling. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
327
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:28:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:EVE will only start to loose significant chunks of subscribers when their competion manages to lauch a MMORPG based on Internet Spaceships. As far as I know there isn't a single game under development that resembles EVE.
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If this ever makes it out of vapour-ware, then EVE may well be obsoloete'ed.
And probably right freaking now, too. There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
383
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:36:00 -
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Pilna Vcelka wrote:I dont think WoW is losing subs to EVE. Its GW2 that both WoW and EVE will lose a big chunk of playerbase to.
Also, its good theyre making the game better for new players. Nobody cares about bitter vets really.
Look who makes gw2.... Theyve been labeles a ****** xompany |
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